Does being a good Muslim automatically mean that you're a good person? and if not then is being a good Muslim better than being a good person?

Would you want to end up with a good Muslim or a good person when it comes to marriage?

This is a general discussion thread so discuss. :P

first of all i depends on whose perspective you are good ?

being a good Muslim is being a good person in God's eyes
i can be a bad Muslim and good person in wudjab and jack's eyes and vice versa.

personally, i prefer being a good muslim coz this is definitly will make of me a good person in the eyes of good muslims.

I just can't understand people who let a religion control everything in them including their thoughts. Or people who just parrot whatever was shoved into them without questioning or wondering.

I just can't understand people who let a religion control everything in them including their thoughts. Or people who just parrot whatever was shoved into them without questioning or wondering.

I agree with you completely but you didn't really answer the question.

I see so many people complimenting others out there for being 'good muslims' but their attitude to various human values that are not related to Islam are really horrible. No understanding, no compassion, no tolerance..nothing, they just want people to be as robotic as they are, yet those people are always favored over others who actually are compassionate and understanding and very respectable towards other people who think differently.

It blows my mind really to how messed up people's judging scale can be.

I just can't understand people who let a religion control everything in them including their thoughts.

Is your religion instruct you to do bad or evil things?

A true muslim/believer suppose to be a good person because there is a direct relationship between the two. The teachings and principles of Islam should reflect directly on his actions, attitude and his whole lif and life of others.

Is your religion instruct you to do bad or evil things?

The guy is talking about muslims who contradict themselves & their religion.

Plus, good & evil don't exist; but stupidity does.

Does being a good Muslim automatically mean that you're a good person? and if not then is being a good Muslim better than being a good person?
Haven't understood yet your idea of good [real] Muslim
A true [I prefer like this ] Muslim is a complete person who has understood how to carry his/her life through religion without thinking of having a heavy stone on the back and is a good person
A person can be good and not necessarily Muslim but is missing something [a lot ]

A person can be good and not necessarily Muslim but is missing something [a lot ]

Not necessarily...

I just can't understand people who let a religion control everything in them including their thoughts. Or people who just parrot whatever was shoved into them without questioning or wondering.

And what if the religion is so ideal the way it automatically makes you feel Self-confidence and that you're on the right track?

I dont understand the concept of being a good or a bad muslim having to make choices in life... I remember having this discussion recently with someone... How can someone base a judgement of someone being a good or a bad muslim ... A scholar might see me a bad muslim , where as a normal friend would see me a good one... So u cant really tell exactly unless its to the extreme.God and only him with Judge that on us on judgment day.. I totally agree with Nabhan on this one. We are not robots at the end of the day.. We are human beings who have behavoirs that we can adapt or change and improve certain behaviors and habits within time... Regardless of the time difference and genereation... I dont beleive that my mom was a bad muslim at my age, she is more religous now bcuz she practices it more but she has always and always be that person who is passionate about helping the poor and other people ...

Let me ask you something: What is a good Muslim? A person who follows his religion, meaning he performs his duties, AND tries his best to have a good personality. He'll try his best to be kind, compassionate, mericful, loving, caring, just, and that to me means a good Muslim AND a good person.
So yeah, I'd want a good Muslim, who knows what the TRUE Islam is. Not those religious extremists.

I'm going to take a stab at this.

This guy is probably a good muslim (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23195450-401,00.html)
A LANDMINE blew up in the home of a religious cleric in southern Afghanistan, killing the mullah, two of his sons and two other men who had been preparing an attack, police said today.

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Taliban suicide and roadside bombings are generally aimed at Afghan and international soldiers but kill more civilians.He does have good intensions so that should make him a good muslim.

But I'll be damned if I would call him a good person.

Ah, this is too cmplex :os I think probably if your a normal Muslim who fulfills the 5 pillars of Islam, then that makes you a good person. To be frank, I don't want to end up with an extremist, they scare me!!!

Does being a good Muslim automatically mean that you're a good person? and if not then is being a good Muslim better than being a good person?

Would you want to end up with a good Muslim or a good person when it comes to marriage?

This is a general discussion thread so discuss. :P

I belive that islam makes a better person of someone. so techniclly, a good muslim is a good person in terms of how he/she lives his/her life.

It really depends but I believe that in the end, they can't be good people they can try however but who knows how long they can try..

The problem is, no muslim can ever be bring balance to religion. One way or another, they will stick firmly to what they believe and more importantly what their parents believed and they will not hesitate to force it onto others. Add to how muslims keep setting up barriers between their brothers and sisters by using family which is normal..until they start to add even more barriers such as tribe, sect, school of thought, scholar, nation heck might as well add favorite football team. Because we have divided ourselves so much, we cannot agree on a single most definite one true religion that everyone follows exactly to the letter.

You have for example, the idea of arranged marriages still being enforced to date. The parents do have good intentions as of course who wouldn't want to see their son or daughter getting married to the most suitable wife or husband. But even that good intention, they ignore and even restrict their child's freedom to choose, a freedom which, since islam is democratic by nature, would have allowed the child to pick whom they desire but sadly the parents will condemn them and will have the child not second guess their parent's decision.

My relatives in Canada are quite open minded muslims and they give charity, help the poor and pray. the problem is, they're very.. very open minded in the sense that they accept gay muslims and that they have a mixed prayer (the kind where men stands besides women).. pretty much they have a belief system of their own and they too will not hesitate to prove to the "other ignorant muslims living in the middle east and other 3rd world countries" that their belief system is the one true faith...

All in all, it comes down difference in beliefs, the small differences between the sects that everyone seems to ignore by saying "oh they're small things but in the end we're all muslims" not knowing that they will affect their future one way or another, the pride they take in their belief system that they wouldn't have anyone dare question it, and the ignorance of the masses who prefer relying on a sheikh rather than studying the religion. and perhaps common sense.. then again how common is common sense in this part of the world? ;)

I would like to end up with a guy who is both, lol.

not many would agree with me but for me myself i dont think that being a good muslim would make someone be a good person


being a good person doesnt mean u dont drink, smoke or have sex

i have a lot of friends who cant stay with the same guy and drink drink all nite but there good ppl


when it comes to marriage i believe that being a good muslim is good but being a good person is even better because u cant still be a good muslim by praying and follow not ALL rules but MOST

A true muslim/believer suppose to be a good person because there is a direct relationship between the two. The teachings and principles of Islam should reflect directly on his actions, attitude and his whole lif and life of others.

Exactly.

Islam is a lifestyle that preaches good and only good. Anything that is instructed is for your own interest and benefit. Islam teaches tolerance, values, and patience, plus all other positive qualities. So if you are a good Muslim within the true meaning of the term, then yes, you are definitely a good person, if not a great one. This does not mean to say that non-Muslims can't be great persons either.

Jack, do I have to tell you that those are not good Muslims in front of almost all our eyes? :rolleyes: lol

hmm..what you seem to be describing as good Muslims aren't really good Muslims, i mean, people might portray them as good Muslims, or they might be trying to be good Muslims, but have no complete understanding of the religion they are following.
'cause if you have no understanding, no compassion and no tolerance towards others, then how does that make you a good Muslim?

i think being a truly good Muslim automatically makes you a good person, being a good Muslim doesn't mean you follow your religion blindly, you need to understand your religion in order to practice it well and become a good Muslim.

i believe that ethics are the foundation of the 5 Islamic Pillars. and compassion is the spirit of Islam and far more central than any other thing i can think of, including the 5 pillars. i might be wrong, but thats what i believe.
compassion that doesn't only reach human beings, but animals and plants too. i mean, a woman entered hell because of torturing a cat for god's sake!

Originally Posted by NaBHaN
their attitude to various human values that are not related to Islam are really horrible.
for example? 'cause i can't think of any human values that are not related to Islam.

about marriage. i think i'd go for a good person. someone with real compassion. it's basic and very essential for a good human, a good Muslim and a good husband.

A true muslim/believer suppose to be a good person because there is a direct relationship between the two. The teachings and principles of Islam should reflect directly on his actions, attitude and his whole lif and life of others.

exactly what i had in mind...

those "good muslims" who are bad persons are not close to being good muslims...

i know people who are very relegious, yet they are amazing ppl and everyone loves them...

those are the REAL "good muslims"

hmm..what you seem to be describing as good Muslims aren't really good Muslims, i mean, people might portray them as good Muslims, or they might be trying to be good Muslims, but have no complete understanding of the religion they are following.
'cause if you have no understanding, no compassion and no tolerance towards others, then how does that make you a good Muslim?

i think being a truly good Muslim automatically makes you a good person, being a good Muslim doesn't mean you follow your religion blindly, you need to understand your religion in order to practice it well and become a good Muslim.

i believe that ethics are the foundation of the 5 Islamic Pillars. and compassion is the spirit of Islam and far more central than any other thing i can think of, including the 5 pillars. i might be wrong, but thats what i believe.
compassion that doesn't only reach human beings, but animals and plants too. i mean, a woman entered hell because of torturing a cat for god's sake!


for example? 'cause i can't think of any human values that are not related to Islam.

about marriage. i think i'd go for a good person. someone with real compassion. it's basic and very essential for a good human, a good Muslim and a good husband.

Well said. Those are exactly my thoughts :yes:

Sometimes I think the topic is intuitively meant to be discussed amongst a certain group… I think this one is meant for Muslim members…why would a silly person comment on it if he doesn’t believe in Islam in the first place?!

I think a good Muslim is a good person by default, but vice versa is not necessarily true!

People commonly use the terms “good Muslim” and “Practicing Muslim” interchangeably which I don’t think it should be that way.

To be able to answer these questions, few assumptions need to be made:

(A) - Good Muslim = A person who continuously strives to better him/herself in understanding and believing in Islam and practicing it mentally, emotionally and physically, within himself and towards others.

(B) - Good person = A person who continuously strives to better him/herself by being ethically and morally righteous and treats people with kindness.

Based on A, I conclude that B is a subset of A.
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Does being a good Muslim automatically mean that you're a good person?

Yes.

Would you want to end up with a good Muslim or a good person when it comes to marriage?

Good Muslim.

^ Logic totally rocks!

I think Nella kinda hit the nail on the head with this. A person who practices Islam the way it should be, compassionate and understanding, will truley be a good person.

Unfortunatly it seems most people think being a good muslim is pointing out people's faults and following every rule blindly without looking at the circumstances or what the end result would produce.

I do not think so that every good muslim is a good person 2 Because there are many Muslims and they are good in islam they pray n they do0 every singel thing that lord ask us to do0 but inside they are not so0 good mby they are so0 mean or they get mad in every thing n some of the good muslims are Too complex in the other things .... so0 az they say no one is perfact there is alot of good muslims n there is alot of good persons but its hard to faind two in one =D

Does being a good Muslim automatically mean that you're a good person? and if not then is being a good Muslim better than being a good person?

Would you want to end up with a good Muslim or a good person when it comes to marriage?

This is a general discussion thread so discuss. :P


A very interesting question i must say :D
well, i think that if a person is a good muslim and follows Islam in the best way, they'd obviously know the teachings of Islam which is to be kind to people and love them, have respect, help others..ect then that is what would make them a good person. But a person cannot define himself as a good person..a good person is how OTHERS perceive him and how others feel about him. If all the people he/she mixes with love him/her and have only good things to say about him/her, then that in my opinion is what makes a good person. I believe that Islam left nothing out and covers all aspects. If one holds on to his/her religion, then it will only be automatic and natural that others will see what a good person he/she is.
When it comes to marriage, if i see that he is a good muslim and i truely see and believe that, then i will already know that he is a good person...because i know that if he truely is a good muslim, then he will know the right way to treat me. Getting my point here?:shy:
I think being a good muslim is the core and center of everything. Everything good follows smoothly :cute:
It's a cycle.
In the end, i say Good Muslim = Good person. :D
As i said, a person cannot define themself or label themself as a good person but he/she will feel whether he/she is by the people around him/her.

Inna Allaha 3aleemun bithat a'9door (God knows what's in their hearts).

and also a comment based on el-rey's post, if you are a good muslim AND good person in the eyes of God, then surely you will be a good person AND muslim in the eyes of people.

Good topic NaBHaN :D

nop a good muslim is'nt necisserly a good person
i've seen many non-muslims but i swear they'remuch much better than those who call themselves muslims :mmhmm:

QUEEN: When he says good muslim, he means REALLY good muslim...good in how he treats others..so why wouldnt that make him be perceived as a good person?
i know what you are saying..some of those people are FAKE...they dont know how to act or talk or treat people. That gives a false impression to the ones that REALLY ARE good muslims and good people. So i dont think we should judge...not right away anyways. You would feel the goodness in the energy when you are around that person. Like for example, i know that you are a good person, queenie :D..i've met you. you're fun, funny..at least you smile..some peole are like robots and are stiff and are just weird!! BORING! god!!!!
But then again what is the real definition of a good person?? there is the religious perspective and there is the social perspective.
I cant say that i am perfect but i always make an effort to make a good impression and be good to others. I also try to be a good muslima... So far i dont have any problems with anyone. I have no enemies and no one has said anything bad about me (i have my sources :yell:). so i dont know..i'll leave that for others..if they dont see what a good person i am or at least what a good person i TRY to be, then they are BLIND! :XD:

AE i meant those who are religiously perfect 100% but horrible in life u just don't wana get close with them
there're many such people -_-

^ i know what you mean...you know, i cant remember who told me but, they said..there is this DEEN teacher (islamic teacher) and behind everyone's back, he is a child molester and child murderer!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT! it's HORRIBLE! disgusting! An Islamic teacher! ufffff..pissed me off GREATLY! And dont always be fooled by the long beard and short dishdahsa..looks can be deceiving :mmhmm: It all comes down to really knowing that person..which is difficult because people gossip so much.. and you dont know who or what to believe! Allah yestur (God help us)

Being Muslim doesn't make you better than others. Understanding and servicing Islam make you better than others. I'd go for the person who understands Islam first and then a Muslim person by name only!

^very good point. That's what i am trying to say.lol..couldnt find the right words :D

IMO, being a good Muslim is a way to mold a person to a good person ... a part of being a Muslim is to be nice to all people, be forgiving, to respect others, to be generous, to be good to your parents, to help the needy...etc
so yeah, being a good Muslim makes you a good person, if, and only if, you follow all what Islam is about
and that goes for Christianity and Judaism as well...
but if people start following their OWN ways on how to be religious, that wont make them good at all

In Islam homosexuality is so condemned to the extent that muslims want to burn them alive and kill them in the most brutal ways, same goes to the Jews and we've read so many comments over here on this forum that support those teachings, so I'm not sure how those things if practiced can result in one being a good person, though perhaps he/she would be viewed by the Islamic community as being a good Muslims.

So I still don't get how being a good muslim automatically results in being a good person. What about the rest whom are not muslims yet are amazingly good people to everyone around them?

I do not believe that Islam or any religion for that matter has anything to do with how good a person can be, It has something to do with how one is raised, how much logic was instilled in that person to know the difference between black and white, right and wrong, to know that there is room for understanding, for compassion for love.

I don't want people to get me wrong, I think Islam is an amazingly beautiful religion and I'm happy to be a Muslim, but it's being abused so much that you just don't know what is right and what is wrong

IMO, being a good Muslim is a way to mold a person to a good person ... a part of being a Muslim is to be nice to all people, be forgiving, to respect others, to be generous, to be good to your parents, to help the needy...etc
so yeah, being a good Muslim makes you a good person, if, and only if, you follow all what Islam is about
and that goes for Christianity and Judaism as well...
but if people start following their OWN ways on how to be religious, that wont make them good at all

that is EXACTLY what I said. :yes:
and lol, i just now figured out what IMO means!! LOL...it just hit me:XD:

I will say this and let you guy decide.

Real Muslim = Good Person.

In my perspective.

In Islam homosexuality is so condemned to the extent that muslims want to burn them alive and kill them in the most brutal ways, same goes to the Jews and we've read so many comments over here on this forum that support those teachings, so I'm not sure how those things if practiced can result in one being a good person, though perhaps he/she would be viewed by the Islamic community as being a good Muslims.

So I still don't get how being a good muslim automatically results in being a good person. What about the rest whom are not muslims yet are amazingly good people to everyone around them?

I do not believe that Islam or any religion for that matter has anything to do with how good a person can be, It has something to do with how one is raised, how much logic was instilled in that person to know the difference between black and white, right and wrong, to know that there is room for understanding, for compassion for love.

ok true to some extent but that's what i am trying to say..I dont think that Islam itself has to do with how good you are. A religion does not define how good a person is or isnt. Not because someone is muslim it means they are good..and not because someone is christian or Jewish they are bad It's about faith and what's in your heart and conscience. Raising has a BIG role in deciding whether a person is good or not...but what about those people who came from a bad childhood and poor raising yet that didnt have to do with how they treat people. Some people turn out to be the exact opposite of how they were raised .For example, If a mother teaches her children to steal, that doesnt mean they will think it's ok to steal and follow her blindly. some will follow what's in their heart because they know it's not right. So i see what you are saying but not always 100% of the time does raising have to do with how a person turns out.
It's about the person, environment, raising AND religion as a whole that makes who a person is..
dont you think?:hmm:

I will say this and let you guy decide.

Real Muslim = Good Person.

In my perspective.

eaxctly my point!

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Good Muslim = Good Person + Who Worships God.

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Bad Muslim either:

= Good person who does not worship (Allah).
= Bad person who does worship (Allah).
= Bad person who does not worship (Allah).

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-Before Islam there were good People.
-After Islam there are still bad People.

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-A good Muslim is better than a good person.
-A good person is better than a bad Muslim.
-A bad Muslim is better than a bad person.

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Good Muslim should be Good Person.
Good Person not necessary be good Muslim.

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Note:
A Good Person will most probably adopt Islam,Christianity or Jewdism, because all are true religions of God which leads to the ultimate good in human being. And sense Islam is the 'final' word, the most 'recent' version of messages from God by the 'final' Prophet / Messenger Mohammad Bin Abdullah Ibn Abdul-Mutalib. Then, the ultimate of all good is the most updated, most recent "current" version of God's Religion to His creatures.

haroundb.that was interesting yet very confusing :XD:

I think Nabhan might have meant: If a Muslim is a good WORSHIPER, does that automatically mean he is a good person?

Is that what you meant by the question Nabhan?

I think Nabhan might have meant: If a Muslim is a good WORSHIPER, does that automatically mean he is a good person?

Is that what you meant by the question Nabhan?

Yes, that sounds right.

Yes, that sounds right.

The answer to that is pretty predicted, No Nabhan?

Of course not, just in case he is worshiping the "wrong way", this leads into crystal clear consequences, which is not a good person, or maybe lets say not the ideal Muslim or not the correct method to act as an Muslim, while if s/he worshiped Allah SWT the right way, went through things logically with no blindness in his sight, thereupon a good person will flourish and not only flourish, but reflect a good image and inflict a good influence about what Islam really is.
very unfortunately this type is quite lets say not rare, but hidden in people.. what shows now, is the bad guy type of Muslims which made our fellow friends in the world think/believe that all Muslims are like that.

But good persons fight against evil, and to them homosexuality is evil. Now, the way they fight is what differentiates a good person from a bad one. If all they talk about is killing and burning them, then sadly they're not good Muslims, therefore not good persons since they lack compassion for others and are not doing their jobs of guiding others as requested by Islam. If they're talking about guiding them, and trying to show them the "right" path peacefully, then that is a good Muslim, and therefore a good person.

That is what I think.

phat, The answer is clear to me, but it doesn't seem very clear to many people including many on this forum who praise the strict Muslims over here and condemn anyone who puts a little thought before automatically replying the way he/she thinks a Muslim should reply as if the religion is programmed into their brain and anything that strays from the coding is wrong, without any consideration to what others might feel. That's what inspired me to start this, the members who say yes all jews should die, yes all homosexuals should die, yes anyone who doesn't believe in allah should die and go to hell. Are these members good people? Never in my book will I consider them to be good people.

Lym, yes I agree with that, that's what I personally believe in as well, but sadly you wont find many muslims who follow that, the concept of compassion is lost to them and to many others.

I know what you mean, but you can't blame some.
human beings are controlled by heart, even though they should by brain... but the heart is blackened because of hyped up emotions for those, Muslims, who, Innocently, Die , not mentioning the mind, the wrong education, the wrong reaction and the wrong socializing.

Black Heart + False Mind = Kaboom.

AE i meant those who are religiously perfect 100% but horrible in life u just don't wana get close with them
there're many such people -_-

how can they be 100% good muslims and horrible in life ? do you even know what good muslim means ?

In Islam homosexuality is so condemned to the extent that muslims want to burn them alive and kill them in the most brutal ways, same goes to the Jews and we've read so many comments over here on this forum that support those teachings, so I'm not sure how those things if practiced can result in one being a good person, though perhaps he/she would be viewed by the Islamic community as being a good Muslims.

So I still don't get how being a good muslim automatically results in being a good person. What about the rest whom are not muslims yet are amazingly good people to everyone around them?


in Islam there is no space for emotions when it comes to disobeying God. we all know that many prophets left their parents and sons and wives ( closest persons to their hearts ) and left them to be doomed in life and not mentioning our prohpet PBUH companions too, does this make of them not good persons ?

for the second point i agree that there are many non muslims but a very good persons. take Oprah as an example, she's the kindest non muslim i've ever seen and i love her as a person. but when we say good muslims this means all good traits God ordered to be in a person.
so automatically, a good musilm is a good person

But good persons fight against evil, and to them homosexuality is evil. Now, the way they fight is what differentiates a good person from a bad one. If all they talk about is killing and burning them, then sadly they're not good Muslims, therefore not good persons since they lack compassion for others and are not doing their jobs of guiding others as requested by Islam. If they're talking about guiding them, and trying to show them the "right" path peacefully, then that is a good Muslim, and therefore a good person.

That is what I think.

advising and guiding happens before they commit the sin, when they commit it then the punishment should be done, this is what God asked us to do. when you say killing a homosexual who commits sodomy is harsh it's like saying God your punishment is harsh.

the bottom line, yes there are many who seem to be good muslims but they are bad persons, and the wrong thing is to call them good muslims because they are not. i believe good muslims are good persons outside and inside, they are passionate to others, kind, generous etc etc etc but when it comes to disobeying God they know that emotions are excluded. ( which make them look as bad persons in someone's eyes ).

you know what i think? i think that islam is the most mis-interpreted religion in the world...even the muslims themselves have different opinions and views and are lost or confused. I think this is a big problem.:os
what i mean when i said "good muslim" is not from those people we see wearing short dishdasha or long beard. i dont judge by appearnace (though it shows a lot about what kind of person he/she is) ...they should be judjed or viewed by how they treat others. I'm not taking Islam or Muslim as a label...it's about treating others and how they veiw YOU in return. Now if i person has a good faith and believes in being good to others..then he is a good person...but since this thread is about a person being a good muslim as to being a good person...that is what i think.
The same goes for other religions. They are just titles but we cant say that these are good people just because they are this or that..no..it is imporant to base whether they are a good person by how others perceive them.
bas! akhar kalam (that's it...last word)

In Islam homosexuality is so condemned to the extent that muslims want to burn them alive and kill them in the most brutal ways

Homesexuality is against the nature of human being, did you forget how Allah punished people of Loot?



I do not believe that Islam or any religion for that matter has anything to do with how good a person can be, It has something to do with how one is raised, how much logic was instilled in that person to know the difference between black and white, right and wrong, to know that there is room for understanding, for compassion for love.


All what you have stated above included in the teachings of Islam which is a way of life extraxt it's resources from the holy Quran and the true prophet sunnah.

Did you forget how people used to live in ignorance (Jahilia'a) before Islam, they used to bury females alive from shame and treat women as some furniture in the house. Prophet Mohammed :PBUH:was sent at such dark times to rescue humanity from darkness and bring to them the light of Islam.

Religions existed to guide not to be worshiped.

i've seen many non-muslims but i swear they'remuch much better than those who call themselves muslims :mmhmm:


u said it, they CALL themselves good muslims, but they r not,,,

Did you forget how people used to live in ignorance (Jahilia'a) before Islam, they used to burry females alive from shame and treat women as some furniture in the house. Prophet Mohammed :PBUH:was sent at such dark times to rescue humanity from darkness and bring to them to the light of Islam.
And they were very generous, brave and truthful. Even enemies of Islam were not lying about the truth of Mohammad as his virtues. The only key feature of Islam regarding ethics is that it firms the bound between the person and his ethics by making it a 'Holy' religious bound rather than a personal attitude.

Not Always , some good muslims are bad people giving bad image about islam ,

^exactly true:yes:

Not Always , some good muslims are bad people giving bad image about islam ,

those r not good muslims, they think they r good muslims...

Why not?
If you have peace with yourself and others you are a good person.
At least in my eyes.

Couldn't have said it better than DD
a Good person is a subset of Good Muslim. I'm talking about a GOOD muslim here, not the one who follows the rules blindly without reflecting them in his/her every day's life.
Being a good muslim means u're a good person.
Being a Good person doesn't necessarily mean that you're a good muslim.

I'd pick a good person.

To be able to answer these questions, few assumptions need to be made:

(A) - Good Muslim = A person who continuously strives to better him/herself in understanding and believing in Islam and practicing it mentally, emotionally and physically, within himself and towards others.

(B) - Good person = A person who continuously strives to better him/herself by being ethically and morally righteous and treats people with kindness.

Based on A, I conclude that B is a subset of A.
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Does being a good Muslim automatically mean that you're a good person?

Yes.

Would you want to end up with a good Muslim or a good person when it comes to marriage?

Good Muslim.


I like your answer.

There are so many Muslims out there who use the name of Islam for their oppressive and sick goals. Unfortunately, they are plenty of them and their voices are the loudest and all over the media.

Who do I think are good Muslims? People who have virtuous and honourable qualities. Such people you cannot miss. But sometimes, many times actually, God keeps them hidden. :)

Anyway, to me a good Muslim would be a good person. I like good people, whether Muslims or non-Muslims, since I feel as though we may have different backgrounds we all have faith. As for those extremists who vullify the name of Islam, I don't call them good Muslims :p, they are terrible ones.

advising and guiding happens before they commit the sin, when they commit it then the punishment should be done, this is what God asked us to do. when you say killing a homosexual who commits sodomy is harsh it's like saying God your punishment is harsh.


Which verse in the Quran/God says that we should kill homosexuals?

True, there are hadiths that concern them, but you don't punish people unless conditions are fulfilled. I do remember the Quran asserting that people have the right to privacy and you can't enter the houses of people without their permission. Secondly, the conditions of zena requires four witnesses. So unless this is produced, I fail to see how anyone can carry out a punishment when a) they can't enter someone's house without their permission b) you need four witnesses c) if the witness statements conflict they get punishment.

So no, the punishment is not done unless all this conditions are satisfied. Since this is unlikely, then this shows God's mercy as they can ask for repentance and become righteous people.

those r not good muslims, they think they r good muslims...

nice but , can you give us some examples.