you know what does *cross finger* means!

it makes me laugh when i see some of you *Muslims*use that term and dont know what does it mean!

Thats a prove that WE sometimes do things without knowing from where does it come from ..

anyway this is the answer

There are a number of curious gestures and sayings in our modern society that leave us scratching our heads. Apparently, we have superstitious folk in merry old England to thank for the peculiar practice of crossing our fingers for luck.

Witches, ghosts, and other supernatural ghouls were very real to people living in the 16th century. Illnesses and bad luck were blamed on these evil forces. Faith in the power of the Christian cross, therefore, was strong. A cough, a sneeze, or even a mention of a cold (thought to be a sign of the plague) was reason enough to cross yourself. The proper way to make the sign of the cross involves four steps -- touch the forehead, heart, left shoulder, then right shoulder with you right hand.

When a suspected witch crossed your path, you could make a cross shortcut by crossing your index and second finger or the index fingers of both hands. This would provide protection and ward off the evil influence. Just like in Dracula movies, it was believed the power of the cross or any religious talisman would combat the forces of darkness. People also wore crosses or carried their Bibles in case they happened upon a nefarious being. A clove of garlic worn around the neck was ammunition against werewolves and bad spirits, and both peasants and nobles attached bells known as "bezants" to their garments, hoping the sound would scare away evil spirits.

Though many of these beliefs have slowly died, the gestures they inspired have lived on. Let's face it, in today's scary world, we need all the luck we can get. If crossing your fingers, carrying a rabbit's foot, hanging a horseshoe, or rubbing a lucky penny helps you through the day, more power to you!

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it makes me laugh when i see some of you *Muslims*use that term and dont know what does it mean!


Source plz:zzz:

Good to know the real muslims do exist :love: Bless you my child

What about thumbs up, shake hands, hi5, etc. All are not a muslim gestures, why doing it then? :mmhmm: I bet you do those gestures too ;)

It's not haram u know :rolleyes:

^^ ya those are not haram!

but CORSS fingers is something so obvious there is something wrong

anyway my CHILD at least you know now;)

Cross fingers is wrong? Whys that?

you know what does *cross finger* means!

it makes me laugh when i see some of you *Muslims*use that term and dont know what does it mean!


Same here! :hyper:

Typical ignorance, that all I can say :rn:

This is a good new news ( at least for me ! )

source

Can we have the source please toxic ?!

Source plz:zzz:

Good to know the real muslims do exist :love: Bless you my child

What about thumbs up, shake hands, hi5, etc. All are not a muslim gestures, why doing it then? :mmhmm: I bet you do those gestures too ;)

It's not haram u know :rolleyes:

Cross fingers sign has a christian/religious meaning, Spirit!
Though it has lost any Christian connection nowadays and it's used more likely to wish or pray for good luck..Maybe that's why you find it hard to believe?

Source:
http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/fingers-crossed.html

Cross fingers sign has a christian/religious meaning, Spirit!
Though it has lost any Christian connection nowadays and it's used more likely to wish or pray for good luck..Maybe that's why you find it hard to believe?

I know its origin

Still doesn't stop me from using it........It's a secular gesture now & very common in use

the sources

http://ask.yahoo.com/20021017
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossed_fingers

If there is a 'cross' in it then it must be a Christian thing, doesn't need a rocket science to figure it out.

And Hi (high) means someone who is affected by drugs, why use it while we have the best greeting Al salam Alakkum.

edit- I'm wrong sorry.

To cross one's fingers is a hand gesture used to superstitiously wish for good luck or to nullify a promise. The supposed loophole of crossing one's fingers whilst making a promise is usually exploited by school-aged children.

Crossing one's fingers, by curling the middle finger over the index, is thought to bring good luck. This dates back to when crossed fingers were used as a gesture to ward off witches and others considered to be or possess evil spirits. It is also seen as bad luck to cross your fingers on both hands.

The gesture originates from pre-Christian times and, in many early European cultures, two people were required to use their index fingers to form the sign, one to make a wish and the other to support it. It was believed that the cross was a symbol of unity and that benign spirits dwelt at its intersecting point—to wish on a cross was a figurative way of securing the wish at the intersection until it came true. Over the years, the custom was modified so one person could make a wish on his/her own.

The 'crossed fingers' gesture is used for the logo of the United Kingdom's National Lottery, as well as the Oregon Lottery in the United States.

Wikipedia.com

It's not a bad thing

Wikipedia.com

It's not a bad thing

I bet you kept your fingers crossed for that :p

The cross is from before Christianity.

http://z.about.com/d/genealogy/1/7/z/5/tombstone_celtic_cross.jpg

Toxic, Faith & Icetea

If your debate this crossing fingers is haram, please do provide us with evidence. This was never mentioned anywhere.

If you are debating on people crossing fingers/ using the phrase without knowing what it means (ignorance). Then it might make more sense ;)

Plus Toxic,

Glad that you were inspired by my spirit

Just make sure that you never azzUme :sabla:

*cross fingers*

Let's see what happens
Although I doubt any measurements will be taken :no:

lol spirit trying to prove himself right!
wikipedia wont tell you Oh Muslims shouldnt use the cross! :/

in the end it does mean the Christian cross everyone knows that
doesn't need a brilliant mind! to figure it out!
and since we knew about it we have not to use it ;)

they used it instead of carrying a corss with them from 16th century to bring them luck and to whatever other reasons.

spirit i wasnt inspired by you!
i saw lot of members using it
i was going to open a thread about it long time ago
just to let you know!

i have nothing against those members but am showing how do member use it all the time :/

she is... up there AE.

it won't be long till she'll have to join the seniors... that'll be more challenging so I cross my fingers for her.

so its a different trojan
from the above post i understand that its a preliminary detection
try updating your anti-virus and anti-spyware programs and cross your fingers
:p

^ inshallah..thanks *crosses fingers*

AE! INSHALLHA then cross fingers LOL!
that made me really laugh

Looks like many members are brainwashed by this cross finger thingi.

toxic_honey, you did a good job by starting this thread and reminding others.

Crossing fingers is something about luck.. nothing else ..

good information toxic

yah it should be obvious from the name,,,

i dont use it...

but i knock on wood :p

I don't cross my fingers or anything, never seen anyone doing that though :os
I was talking about crossing fingers with another member yesterday too :think:

Well, who knows? :p

My guess was that this gesture originated before Christianity, so I looked it up in Wikipedia:

The gesture originates from pre-Christian times and, in many early European cultures, two people were required to use their index fingers to form the sign, one to make a wish and the other to support it. It was believed that the cross was a symbol of unity and that benign spirits dwelt at its intersecting point—to wish on a cross was a figurative way of securing the wish at the intersection until it came true. Over the years, the custom was modified so one person could make a wish on his/her own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossed_fingers

Crosses were used as symbols before Christianity came to be and are used outside Christianity too.

Just think of the plus sign + .

Nothing to do with Christ.

So, I think it's just the same as any other superstitious gesture: You can use it but if a black cat crosses your path when you do, you better eat some garlic!

Tocix Honey only wanted you all to be aware of something that might be unIslamic. And it still is unIslamic, even if it doesn't resemble the Christian Cross.

Becaaaause: you can't count on a gesture for luck. Like you're counting on something else to help you when only God does.

i don't think crossing finger has anything to do with the cross :os
coz the word cross in crossing fingers is a verb and has a differant meaning from the christian cross and the word cross here is a noun
anyway i don't do it so it doesn't really bother me XD

Crossing fingers, knocking on wood, saying "hi" instead of "salam alaikum" .. I do all that, its my intentions that count.

You can't compare Crossing finger and Knocking on wood to saying Hi or Hello instead of Salam Aleikom. Salam Aleikom is a greeting, but you get rewarded for it. Hi or Hello is a greeting, but you don't. But Crossing Fingers and Knocking on Wood is putting faith in something other than God to help make a certain thing come true.

I use the expression *cross fingers* more than the actual gesture and I see nothing wrong with it if it helps get your msg across.

Once people look at everything from a religious standpoint then you wont be living. If we look at everything as in , oh it's not acceptable in Islam, then Muslim girls wont put on any form of makeup, won't pluck eyebrows and we won't be wearing perfume and other trivial things which apparently aren't acceptable in Islam. So to pick on things that are actually very trivial and do not shake our faith is really not necessary.

How will crossing our finger mess up our faith or love for Allah swt?

Crossing your fingers is stupid...And I'm too lazy to do it anyhow.

So to pick on things that are actually very trivial and do not shake our faith is really not necessary.

Financial point of view:

The thing is one red biza is trivial in its value, but one biza and another biza, then another then another one, one day will make one rial, and eventually one day you will be a millioneer!!

Agriculture point of view:

*drop of water and wadi*

Health point of view:

*a single hair and bald head*

Say "In sha Allah" or "Allah's willing" gives a better identity.

Thank you very big toxic_honey.

^ I believe in intention, if your intention is pure then there's nothing to worry about when it comes to these simple symbols.

Explain how your intention is pure? What do you do the Fingers Crossed symbol for? Maybe this will make us understand why you see it as something normal.

My intention being pure as in not intending it to be a sign of disrespect to my Islamic beliefs. To me it's JUST a symbol to express something that is more than that. I usually say inshallah %99 of the time anyways but who cares if someone uses it and happens to be a muslim? I will never preach about it and how bad it is.

People preach as if they do everything required from them as muslims and I just don't like that.

i don't think you should worry too much about a two finger superstition really. you keep worrying about what has christian religion in it and what hasn't, you'll get paranoid.
it's the goodness of the soul that gets you closer to Allah. Don't drink this, don't eat that, pray five times and be a good man/woman. i'm sure when you go to your version of the pearly gates he's not gonna go 'haaaah let's seeeeee...hmmmm...glasses of wine drunk, zero. fags smoked zero..well don't know about shisha..ok i'll waiver that, umm...swearwords only a few, ok ok repented, good so far, good so far..WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!! YOU ACTUALLY MADE CROSS FINGERS WHEN YOU WAS AWAITING EXAM RESULTS UNDER A LADDER, BESIDE A BROKEN MIRROR AND A BLACK CAT PASSED BY!!! HOW DARE YOU!!' and you get disowned.
don't think the big guy above is really gonna bother.

Everyone is in some state of sin, but that doesn't mean they should not show that something is bad. Even you show your opinion on things, does that mean you are perfect? No. But you want us to understand that a thing we're doing isn't right. So I'm thanking you for the many hints on how you hate my 'preaching', because I didn't see it like that before. And wouldn't like to be as you described, so I take it as an advice.

Toxic, Faith & Icetea

If your debate this crossing fingers is haram, please do provide us with evidence. This was never mentioned anywhere.

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this is the proof:

the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that groups of his ummah would follow the enemies of Allaah in some of their rituals and customs, as it says in the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him), who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “You will certainly follow the ways of those who came before you, span by span, cubit by cubit, until even if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would follow them.” We said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?!”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari)

now Jews and Christians are enemies of Allah, LMAO!

now Jews and Christians are enemies of Allah, LMAO!

Braiki, what is so funny about our Prophet:PBUH: hadith?

I would expect others like wudjab or Jack to say like that, but NOT a Muslim like you!!!!!!!!

read what you quoted, is it the prophet who called them the enemies of Allah?
my muslim brothers just love to misunderstand me :XD:

read what you quoted, is it the prophet who called them the enemies of Allah?
my muslim brothers just love to misunderstand me :XD:

Yes Braiki it's the Prophet:PBUH: who called them that.

the hadith I quoted is very authentic in Al Bukhari.

and Allah swt regards them (the Jews and the Christians) as his enemy, it's mentioned in the Quran as well (do some research yourself).

It's not braikz himself who find it funny clouds......I find it funny & stupid. Make sure of your sources it doesn't sound right. Who else?

Yes Braiki it's the Prophet:PBUH: who called them that.

the hadith I quoted is very authentic in Al Bukhari.

and Allah swt regards them (the Jews and the Christians) as his enemy, it's mentioned in the Quran as well (do some research yourself).

Again, you don't get what I am saying.
Let's shift this to the PM system :) please PM me with the verses

Braiki, you bad muslim !

God hates me :( i'm a Christian.

this is the proof:

the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that groups of his ummah would follow the enemies of Allaah in some of their rituals and customs, as it says in the hadeeth of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him), who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “You will certainly follow the ways of those who came before you, span by span, cubit by cubit, until even if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would follow them.” We said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?!”



I would like to apologize for my misunderstanding of the above hadith.

our Prophet:PBUH: did not say in the above hadith that the Jews and the Christians are the enemies of Allah, I quoted this hadith from different site.

what he:PBUH: actually said:

“You will certainly follow the ways of those who came before you, span by span, cubit by cubit, until even if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would follow them.” We said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?!”