On squinty's thread - Why? (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52151) - I posted something then NaBHaN replied at me and after that I replied at him back telling him that it's not cool to assume that those silly/disrespectful members haven't being raised well because there's no need for getting their parents involved and blaming their parents for not raising them well. Plus, saying that by itself is disrespectful, let alone when it comes from one of the forum's admins.

10 mins later, NaBHaN decides to lock the thread, and not only he locks the thread but he deletes my post as well. Now, why was my post deleted, NaBHaN? Did I say anything wrong? was my post deleted because you just didn't like it or what exactly? I need an explanation here...

Your statement that I shouldn't say something because i'm a so called admin was un-necessary. Simple as that. I stick to my statement about being raised well because If someone was taught to respect people (the ones he knows and even strangers) then he/she would not parade all over the place insulting everyone left and right, and you're in denial if you cannot see it unless of course you think I'm talking about specific people you happen to be friends with which is why you said what you said (and I think that's exactly the case here).

Had you not posted the 'admin' comment I would have left it. :)

I'm not interested in a heated argument to be honest so that's the only thing I'm going to be saying here.

Your statement that I shouldn't say something because i'm a so called admin was un-necessary. Simple as that. I stick to my statement about being raised well because If someone was taught to respect people (the ones he knows and even strangers) then he/she would not parade all over the place insulting everyone left and right, and you're in denial if you cannot see it unless of course you think I'm talking about specific people you happen to be friends with which is why you said what you said (and I think that's exactly the case here).

I'm not interested in a heated argument to be honest so that's the only thing I'm going to be saying here.
I don't remember asking you in my post to stop saying your point of view. I just stated my point of view which is it is not necessary that these silly/disrespectful members haven't being raised well, and that there's no need for involving their parents here. All I was implying for that your statement by itself is disrespectful. And that's my very own personal view, isn't it? Then, why should it be deleted? or, only admins are allowed to state their point of views?

I'm not interested in a heated argument to be honest so that's the only thing I'm going to be saying here.
Fair enough.

Wasn't the thread opened by Nabhan about MSN friends and members siding with them? You wanted people to debate more and express point of views.

IMO if you get a challenge reply to a post, you reply it, not delete it. It will be offensive to people if someone says anything about their parents whatever the case.

And face it, people WILL tell you the admin comment. It doesn't mean you can delete that. Face it (again!), you should also follow some rules and shouldn't disrespect ppl or their families.

Had you not posted the 'admin' comment I would have left it. :)

ya baba, mentioning that you're one of the admin's of this forum does not mean that I meant you shouldn't state your point of view because you're an admin, it only means that "you" as an admin should be respectful BEFORE the members. If you yourself are disrespectful, do not expect other members to be respectful then...

Everyone would agree with me that your statement is disrespectful. Though, does that mean that you haven't being raised well? (based on your theory/statement ....) *fingers crossed*

I don't consider my comment to be disrespectful at all. I was just stating a fact, brutal perhaps but still it's true and anyone who wants to open his/her eyes to what is real and true will see it.

You coming here and telling me that I shouldn't say this and that will not change the fact that I know how respectful and well raised people behave, it's not rocket science you know.

Heck, even in Islam, an ill raised daughter could be the cause of her parents to go to hell , or so I've read, so what are you talking about exactly?

Finally, you could have discussed this issue with me via P.M, I addressed you privately via a rep comment but you went on to start a whole thread and caused an un-necessary drama to see if other people will side by you. I don't respect nor appreciate that.

*gets popcorn, sits back and watches*

how interesting..lovely debate you two are having..dont mind me..continue:rolleyes:

Very common in ES, but gladly it has got better recently :)

Amjad, perhaps you can discuss the personal issues in private

So a whole post was deleted because it contained a comment that was ... unnecessary?

We would wish such actions to be taken on posts that truly deserve to be deleted, but aren't, because of the 'freedom of speech' issue.

So a whole post was deleted because it contained a comment that was ... unnecessary?

We would wish such actions to be taken on posts that truly deserve to be deleted, but aren't, because of the 'freedom of speech' issue.

Yes UmKhalid, thats an excellent point there.

NaBHaN, my post had a point, which is my very own personal point of view. You think my point of view is unnecessary, but does that give you the right to go ahead and delete it? As far as I know, posts are only deleted if they're offensive or off-topic. Whether you liked the part of me meintioning "especially when it comes from an admin" or not, that is still my point of view and I think it shouldn't be deleted.

If I am not allowed to state my point of view in this forum, I would like someone from the moderation team telling me that clearly and directly in this thread.

HITMAN, I thought this section is for suggestions & inquiries? And this is an inquiry ? Plus, to be honest, I wanted other moderators as well to judge the case here, not only NaBHaN. And if I contacted NaBHaN via PM, the case would have gone personal, and no I don't want to make it personal. It's a public case and that's why I brought it to public.

And yeah, I hope nobody misunderstands the purpose of this thread, especially NaBHaN (he already did though).

I didn't open this thread to catch the members' attention. And I didn't open it to get my post back either! As mentioned in the title, I just need an explanation of why my post was deleted. I still didn't get a valid reason for it to be deleted. NaBHaN says it contained an unnecessary comment which is "especially when it comes from an Admin". Seems he didn't like that line for some personal reasons, but is that a valid reason for deleting the whole post? especially that it contained other points than that and it was representing my own point of view?

Since NaBHaN is not willing to explain further, I would like another moderator to explain the case for me.

ok.. Both of you are more then babies now.. :mmhmm:
Listen Amjad, what Nabhan said is true!
If someone was not raised properly they will insult everyone they want and the parents are to be blamed but not completely as well. I can see both sides of this. Nabhan had a point saying what he said but at the same time some might take it to be disrespectful and I am with you on that but he just said what is true.

Nabhan, what Amjad said is true as well. You shouldn't have said that because that way you are saying their parents are bad. But what if the CHILD was the bad one and not the parents? I have seen people who try to make their children behave but the children don't listen and do what they want because of the people they want to be like or copy.

Anyway, I knew my thread would be locked over something stupid again... Most of my threads get locked because SOMEONE has to say or do something and then the OTHER ONE has to comment on it.
Listen both of you, as I always say, everyone has his/her OWN PERSONAL opinion and you have to respect it. And before coming up with THINGS to say you have to see HIS side of the opinion and understand it!

There was a very, very disrespectful post. I simply reported it, believing that it will be deleted by the moderators, but it wasn't. I waited, nothing happend.


Now. Is it fair that Nabhan (or any other moderator) could delete a post he believed is 'unnecessary', just because he has the power to ... but when a member reports a post that is truly disrespectful, nothing happens?

If the post was not disrespectful in the moderator's view, I would have appreciated at least a PM or Rep (even red) explaining why it wasn't since it was the first report I send (if my memory does not deceive me.)

deleting posts or editing them is something funny to be honest. I guess all of you would like to be a mod so he will enjoy doodling with members' posts. Simply because people love to show off when they feel that they are responsible for something.

UmKhalid a.k.a my mom! :p
When you report a post the mods HAVE to discuss it because if 1 of them just does what he wants that will be "abusing" the power...
And I think Nabhan was right and not right at the same time to do so.. But if HE didn't discuss the matter and just did it now THAT is a different story.. :rolleyes:

UmKhalid a.k.a my mom! :p

Haa!! What!!

Is your dad here too? AKA AbuKhalid? :think:


Sorry, went off topic. :rolleyes:

There was a very, very disrespectful post. I simply reported it, believing that it will be deleted by the moderators, but it wasn't. I waited, nothing happend.


The decision to delete, edit or leave a post is taken when the majority of the moderating team agrees for or against it

Anyway, I just the checked the reported posts & didn't see anything from your side that dates back to January

HITMAN, it should be taken when the majority of the team votes, but I have seen times when posts were deleted/edited by some moderators (some of them ex-moderators not gladly) withing seconds of my posting.

Things have been better of late I must say, that is why I started becoming active again. But if the posts of members like Amjad are deleted/edited, and then threads locked blocking him from posting, who is ES for then?

Amjad, I think you should privately talk to HITMAN on this as he is a mediator, I assure you justice will be served.

Amjad don't you get it? lol Whatever Nabhan wants Nabhan gets. As simple as that

Sting, I was referring to the reported posts

Some posts are deleted or edited immetiately while the mod is browsing the thread, but not all the threads are read by us & that's why we ask the members to report anything they find inappropriate

Amjad don't you get it? lol Whatever Nabhan wants Nabhan gets. As simple as that

Oh come on now, not everyone is as spoiled as you are my dear. :P

I might be spoiled alright but at least I'm not a big headed mod who runs the forum on his own when he's supposed to consult his team members and who thinks he's all that . . I dunno but sometimes I feel that you're being very unfair Nabhan. You cleary don't believe in the freedom of speech. The least you could've done is rep/PM him to inform him that you've deleted his post

The least you could've done is rep/PM him to inform him that you've deleted his post

THANK YOU. And that's exactly what I did. So according to u I did the right thing.

and yeah..I hear you're big headed on the forum you moderate as well, or at least that's what they tell me. See how unfair the world can be? ;)

I saw that coming ;) Really you shouldn't be mixing things up. That's a very lousy comeback. I'm not big headed in the other forum the members who told you this are people from your gang bang who just hate everyone for no reason. In the other forum, I try my best to be fair and just. Unlike you

^ LOOOL! are you still in the 3rd grade? cause that reply sounded like something a 3rd grader would say. sorry. :P

'gang bang who hate everyone for no reason' LOL

funny that YOU would say something like that.

LOL hun scroll up ... and have a look at your own reply first ;) Sometimes I find it hard to believe that your 26 or 27

Oh and you're very racist btw...you only side up with YOUR friends

^ ok isn't this turning into insults now?

THANK YOU. And that's exactly what I did. So according to u I did the right thing.

NaBHaN, the rep you sent me right after locking the thread was not informing me why my post was deleted. In fact, it didn't even contain anything about my post being deleted. *deleted*. Okay... so? nobody forced you to change your point of view. Nobody asked you to stop stating your point of view. But by deleting my post, you have stopped a member from delivering his point of view to others. Yes, my point of view had something to do with your post and in fact it was disagreeing with it, but AGAIN I ask, does that give you the right to go ahead and delete it? just because I was disagreeing with you, or telling you that you're being disrespectful?

I don't understand why aren't you being clear here. If you do something, you should have strong reasons for it. Where are these reasons?

Amjad, Revealing reps publicly is against the rules. So you see if I wanted to be as unfair as you think I am I could have warned you on the spot but I simply deleted it. Please read the rules before you get yourself into trouble.

I said in the rep exactly what I said in this thread which should have given you a clue on why the post was deleted and the thread locked to avoid anymore un-necessary talk from you or any other member.

As for things being clear, you saying that I am disrespectful for mentioning parents is exactly like saying Islam is a disrespectful religion for blaming parents for an ill raised daughter. There is no point for your argument I'm sorry to say, and just because you think I was trying to be disrespectful doesn't mean that I actually was. I said what I know and there was no reason for you to reply back attacking me for something that is obviously true, besides going off topic as well which was another reason I deleted it.

If you want to start a DISCUSSION about parents being the reason why a child misbehaves then I'm all for it, but posting an attack in an unrelated thread..well..that we could do without.

Amjad, Revealing reps publicly is against the rules. So you see if I wanted to be as unfair as you think I am I could have warned you on the spot but I simply deleted it. Please read the rules before you get yourself into trouble.
If that's the case, then I really do not mind having a warning issued to me now as it would be very reasonable & fair.

I said in the rep exactly what I said in this thread which should have given you a clue on why the post was deleted and the thread locked to avoid anymore un-necessary talk from you or any other member.

As for things being clear, you saying that I am disrespectful for mentioning parents is exactly like saying Islam is a disrespectful religion for blaming parents for an ill raised daughter. There is no point for your argument I'm sorry to say, and just because you think I was trying to be disrespectful doesn't mean that I actually was. I said what I know and there was no reason for you to reply back attacking me for something that is obviously true.
ya NaBHaN, you're really not trying to get me here.

Mentioning that members being disrespectful is a result of not being raised well by their parents was your very own personal opinion, right? ok. fine. that's your view and you have the right to state it. Though, my OWN view is otherwise. My own point of view is that it's not necessary true that those members are being disrespectful because their parents failed to raise them very well. It's not necessary true. That's my "personal" opinion. Also, my personal opinion is that assuming and mentioning that these members haven't being raised well is by itself disrespectful, let alone when it comes from an admin of this forum whom is supposed to be respectful toward the members first.

The reason I said that and the reason I replied back at you is that I wanted to state my own view! Can't I? I asked this question zillionth of times in this thread but no moderator is willing to answer me. If I, as a regular member of Enbglish Sabla, am not allowed to state my point of view, just like the moderators, PLEASE make it clear to me here!

Again I mention, I was merely giving my point of view on something you said. Whether you think my comment was unnecessary or not true, that's not a valid reason for taking it away and preventing other members from reading it. We post here so everyone knows about each other's views. If you delete my posts, how will the members get my views ?

^ They can get your views by starting a proper discussion thread about it. I assure you no one will delete your post there or lock the thread unless of course it was only started as an attack.

Good enough for you?

^ They can get your views by starting a proper discussion thread about it.

Good enough for you?
Are you telling me that you would have found it totally okay if I quoted your post, and opened a new thread about it, telling members what I think of it, in a separated thread? and not in the same thread it was posted in?

So, whenever someone wants to comment on someone else's post, we have to open new threads for it?

So, whenever someone wants to comment on someone else's post, we have to open new threads for it?

It happened many times before, so yes..if it's OFF TOPIC and could generate a new discussion then why not? You can even quote me..but the topic should be something like 'do you agree with this statement' not, 'look at what nabhan said so lets jump all over him and attack him'.

I think that makes sense..don't you think?

God give it a rest u twoo 5alas((thats it)) if u dont get each other just crew it

It happened many times before, so yes..if it's OFF TOPIC and could generate a new discussion then why now? You can even quote me..but the topic should be something like 'do you agree with this statement' not, 'look at what nabhan said so lets jump all over him and attack him'.

I think that makes sense..don't you think?
Yes, it does make sense.

Now, you're saying that you deleted my post and locked the thread because you saw the thread going to another direction and to prevent another topic to be discussed at that thread, you just simply locked it. which is a right thing to do. though, you could have done that without deleting my post. at least by leaving my post, you would give better reasons for you to lock the thread. you would show the members that the thread was taking another direction and you didn't want it to go further. but you deleted the post because you just felt that I was personally attacking you, which is not true. I wasn't attacking you and never thought of attacking you. you should get that.

Well Alhamdullilah (thanks to Allah) we reached to a conclusion.

Cheers and no hard feelings I hope.

Yes, I guess we did.

There are no hard feelings, to be honest. And as I mentioned earlier, I didn't carry this discussion with you in private because I know very well that if it was carried in private, it would have gone too personal. But no, I don't want it to go personal and have something against you, personally.

Cheers.

**hug** ...

^Geya Siij Razzat face ;p ( why u stickin ur nose in this? ) loool.

Anyways looks like I'm about to do the same.. Glad it's over..

I think it could have been prevented if ppl just stopped a second and thought about things first rather than reacting.. But anyways.. The outcome was good in the end!

;)

Oh and you're very racist btw...you only side up with YOUR friends

What does that have to do with racism?

My God...you ignored the whole purpose of the thread and quoted my post lol 9a7 inik fathia (you're one bored girl). He's biased sometimes..at least that's what I think!

I'm the least biased person you'll ever come across...I assure you.

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Anyways..thread locked as it served it's purpose.