Police in England and Wales seized the equivalent of 6,500 pints of alcohol from under-age drinkers during an autumn crackdown, the Home Office says.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44325000/jpg/_44325565_youthdrink_splcred.jpg
http://deadissue.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/drunk-groom-deadissue.JPG
Quite simply we will not tolerate drinking in public by under-18s or anyone else where it leads to anti-social and intimidating behaviour.

Then why would Jesus (PBUH) encourage his followers to drink wine like its blood?

SOURCE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7163718.stm)

What do you people think? Is UK doing the right thing? Or are they going against the teachings of the Christ (as per the believes of many Christians)?

LOL that drunk guy or gay looks funny!

Good question STING.

It's the same here in NZ.

Man they scare the hell out of me sometimes.

Running around campus butt naked coz there was a drinking contest :yuk:

That is why drinking alcohol is haram in Islam because it can drop human to the level of animals by losing their brain and ability to control themselves.

Imagin that such drunk person can go home and rape him mother.

hahahahahaha!!!!!

roflmao!!!


Someone better put this thread in Trivia though. :hyper:

IceTea, not necessarily rape his family, but rape, kill, molest or even simply disturb somewhere on the street!

Anyhow, what do you people think? Is UK doing the right thing? Or it should follow what they believe Christ asked them to do?

hahahahahaha!!!!!

roflmao!!!


Someone better put this thread in Trivia though. :hyper:

You're welcome in the thread dear :). I am assuming you're drunk? Why else would you laugh on such a serious topic?

So, are you against UK or not?

You call this a serious topic? LOL

Wow. You set pretty low standards for yourself.

IceTea, not necessarily rape his family, but rape, kill, molest or even simply disturb somewhere on the street!

Anyhow, what do you people think? Is UK doing the right thing? Or it should follow what they believe Christ asked them to do?

You are right, but the worse thing that a drunk guy will rape his mother.

About what UK is doing, any drunk Christian can claim that he is following Christ.

It's not only UK STING.

Students here have nothing better to do than drink. That's how they spend their weekends. I was talking to one of my lecturers once and I asked her what are the usual activites done here. She told me that it's mostly parties and drinking. And it's disturbing coz some students sometimes even come to the lectuers or our group meetings stinking drunk.

What I've come to notice is that rather than laughing AT these drunks, people tent to laugh WITH them. It's become a cool thing to be drunk at your Christmas party, dancing on a table :os and omg these are people in their 30s or 40s (at my work)

Well I heared that they may raise the legal drinking age here...not sure how much that will help as people will still drink.

For what it's worth.

Alcohol should not be in the hands of irresponsible people (that's why laws exist):

Namely: Under 18 or 16 depends what the law in that country and muslims who've never had a drop in their life.

It always has bad consequences. Like that of having the wife remarry after the husband leaves her in a drunken fit of talaqs (http://www.scribd.com/doc/987328/Orissa-Muslim-Clerics-order-a-muslim-divorcee-to-marry-a-man-aged-70)..


(ps. you should be happy that the police prosecute underage drinkers. not the opposite)

For what it's worth.

Alcohol should not be in the hands of irresponsible people (that's why laws exist):



The concept is good.

Thalia, the man in the picture above, with balloon breasts is certainly above 18 :). The rule of 18+ has been around for decades now, has it worked? Of course not!

And now tell me, how come you support 18+ rule while there is no source where Christ asks his followers to drink his "blood" only if they are above 18?

It's not only UK STING.

Students here have nothing better to do than drink. That's how they spend their weekends. I was talking to one of my lecturers once and I asked her what are the usual activites done here. She told me that it's mostly parties and drinking. And it's disturbing coz some students sometimes even come to the lectuers or our group meetings stinking drunk.

What I've come to notice is that rather than laughing AT these drunks, people tent to laugh WITH them. It's become a cool thing to be drunk at your Christmas party, dancing on a table :os and omg these are people in their 30s or 40s (at my work)

Well I heared that they may raise the legal drinking age here...not sure how much that will help as people will still drink.

Of course dear, but I meant UK has implemented this strict rule of confiscating the alcohol!

What you've witnessed is common anywhere people drink, no matter what! But sadly, if degrading yourself was the only issue, one could understand, but as IceTea indicated, it could lead to serious harm to innocent people!

It's amazing that human abolish God rules and replace them with man mad laws, which doesn't work as in the case of the second picture.

Bottom line is God laws are practical laws, you implement them you got results.

She told me that it's mostly parties and drinking. .

And just imagin what can happen after getting drunk among those teenagers. I heard that it's a shame for a girl to remain virgin after 18 years old or less in the West, of course there are good people around.

Well there's already been serious harm...alot of it

Three days ago a Father who was drunk had a major car accident with his three children in the car. None survived.

Last week a woman was caught driving 5 times over the legal blood alcohol level for driving. the discusting thing about it is that she was the least drunk out of all her girlfriends, and she was 5 months pregnant.

Numerous gang related fights happen due to alcohol consumption...

It causes more harm than good. Even if it's been proved that alcohol might be good for you, it's harms on society are obviously more.

And just imagin what can happen after getting drunk among those teenagers. I heard that it's a shame for a girl to remain virgin after 18 years old or less in the West, of course there are good people around.


Oh no there are quite a number of girls and guys who choose to remain virgins till they get married, although it's not very high...

Thanks PIB, those are examples that prove our friend Thalia wrong. Alcohol has nothing to do with age. Imagine, a father stops caring about his 3 children when drunk!

Anyhow, I understand it can be difficult to accept thins that are against what we've learned all our lives. But the happiness you get living the truth, in spite of all, is wonderful.

Bottom line is God laws are practical laws, you implement them you got results.

I agree 100%. The funny thing is how people continue living on their own selfish laws although it destroys so many lives in so many different ways!

Addiction.

It kills you.

Thanks PIB, those are examples that prove our friend Thalia wrong. Alcohol has nothing to do with age. Imagine, a father stops caring about his 3 children when drunk!

Anyhow, I understand it can be difficult to accept thins that are against what we've learned all our lives. But the happiness you get living the truth, in spite of all, is wonderful.
It has nothing to do with alcohol. It has all to do with self control and responsibility.

But, judging from how muslims drink, I'd say that would be an alien concept to you. :)


Knives are deadly weapons. No housewife will be taken to court unless she uses it irresponsibly and butchers her husband, although many wish they could. That's because they have self control. Some do butcher them. And that's because they don't have self control. And we all know why we don't let kids play with knives.

I've yet to see God outlawing knives. Wasn't it a sword that the prophet carried? hmm..

I agree 100%. The funny thing is how people continue living on their own selfish laws although it destroys so many lives in so many different ways!
You should start preaching to your "brothers" then. Start in your own "house".. because at least YOUR laws are CLEAR to you and it forbids you all from drinking.

So why the hell do you still drink? Why do our police have to deal with muslim drunkards in the first place?

It's really amusing actually.. first stop from the airport here is to the closest bar. LOL

Well there's already been serious harm...alot of it

Three days ago a Father who was drunk had a major car accident with his three children in the car. None survived.

Last week a woman was caught driving 5 times over the legal blood alcohol level for driving. the discusting thing about it is that she was the least drunk out of all her girlfriends, and she was 5 months pregnant.

Numerous gang related fights happen due to alcohol consumption...

It causes more harm than good. Even if it's been proved that alcohol might be good for you, it's harms on society are obviously more.
It's abuse that harms society.

Another example is driving. Reckless driving is abuse.

Taking prescription pills that you don't need to achieve a little "high" is abuse of medicine.

Smoking while pregnant is abuse. Smoking NEAR a pregnant woman is also abuse.


This is why all these things are legally regulated. And why children aren't allowed to do them.

For what it's worth.

Alcohol should not be in the hands of irresponsible people (that's why laws exist)



Don't forget that almost all drunk people turned to irresponsible people, I can share some figures of car accidents, rapes and other dissilar crimes that were done by such drunk people. Conclusion: Logically talking, Alcohol shouldn't be in the hands of people, isn't it? Correct me if I'm mistaken.

Laws couldn't control them all, it's time to admit that The Christ (PBUH) didn't encourage his fellows to addict Alcohole.

Logically speaking, if you can't be trusted behind a wheel, you wouldn't be there.

Now. Shall we ban driving because of the high percentage of reckless (sober) drivers?

It's really stupid to think that alcoholism has anything to do with Christ drinking wine and giving it to his disciples. It's actually insulting. But you know us.. we're not into that enraged burning down of embassies thing. ;) So you can have this one if you like.

In the end, we know what the truth is with regards to our religion. And we also know what the truth is with regards to all this "holier than thou" attitude. You REALLY need to have a look at your brothers and what they do here. Not even Allah's laws seem to stop them. Not even a dry country's laws stop them. I'm sure if you head off to a few Omani bars or little out of the way places close to the desert, you'll see where the alcohol flows into the mouths of the very people who expect to lecture us about it. :D

It's really very ironic.

There is no Biblical prohibitation against children drinking wine

Maybe they should drink under parental supervision that's all

There is no Biblical prohibitation against children drinking wine

Maybe they should drink under parental supervision that's all

Dear HITMAN,

Should I thank you for innovation and findings?
I am sure, you deserve thanks from –18.
A helpful friend!

Addiction.

It kills you.

Can you figure out, how many don’t get intoxicated?
How many percentage don’t become alcoholic ?

There is no Biblical prohibitation against children drinking wine

Maybe they should drink under parental supervision that's all
Yes, like there is no Quranic prohibition on age of marriage (forget consent here LOL) ... children married off.. under parental supervision of course...

But would YOU give your 9 year old daughter to a man of 40?

Thalia dear, please calm down. You clearly are getting way too emotional here!

I would love to respond to some of your posts, but they are all irrelevant and off-topic. This is what happens when you lose your head. Just calm down.

Let me remind everybody here, the topic and the main point here is whether you support with UK is doing? Or you think they should let the law of Christ (as per most Christians) rule the society?

Thalia, is UK wrong? Do you support what its done?

The UK is a secular country.

Next question.

wudjab, the next question is: Are you Thalia? Or maybe someone who dreams to be called Thalia?!

Anyhow, you tell me Thalia (or wudjab), are you against what the UK is doing?

wudjab, the next question is: Are you Thalia? Or maybe someone who dreams to be called Thalia?!

Anyhow, you tell me Thalia (or wudjab), are you against what the UK is doing?
Tell you what. You can be Jena AND Thalia. How's that? Double barrel names like that really suit you..:hyper:

Hope you're ok with that, Jena.

Jena. the tiger warrior..

It has a ring to it..

Too bad you got cornered though. Oops. Did I hurt you? You seem a ... little.. motionless..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Tigerhunting1903.jpg/250px-Tigerhunting1903.jpg

Too much wine again :p?

Too much wine again :p?
Why? Would you like some? Is yours smelling a little of surgical spirit?

Put the glue down and concentrate on playing dead.

Equating what Jesus meant by drinking wine and saying it is his blood to what is depicted in the picture is quite insulting to Christians and Christianity. Think about it. If you try and understand what jesus was saying and how intoxication is a sin in Christianity then you have an answer and having underaged drinkers on public display such as what is in the picture is kids only degrading themselves and acting like complete idiots. I am all for banning these "children" from having alcohol to party with.

Marianna.

Being openly offensive and insulting towards Christianity is par for the course on the sabla.

Marianna.

Being openly offensive and insulting towards Christianity is par for the course on the sabla.
right, they are insulting my Jesus.
where shall i start torching?

right, they are insulting my Jesus.
where shall i start torching?
I hear animal fur catches easily..

This is the way I look at it to put things into perspective. If I were to point out something in a Muslim society that was quite obviously against the teachings of Islam would not the Muslims be outraged?

Now (please bear with me)....take that same perspective and put it in this forum, or any forum that purposefully places a Christian society in a negative spotlight because the person who started the thread wanted to perhaps either mock or take delight in a society they hate, cannot stand or does not try to understand. Hey correct me if I am wrong but I don't think I am. I see a pattern in some of these postings regarding Christianity. If a Christian were to turn the tables and do the same regarding Islam of course there will be outrage among the Muslims about this and rightly so.

Therefore, Christians who were invited to this forum to openly communicate with Muslims have a right to become upset when their belief systems are put on display in such a callous manner.

This is the way I look at it to put things into perspective. If I were to point out something in a Muslim society that was quite obviously against the teachings of Islam would not the Muslims be outraged?

Now (please bear with me)....take that same perspective and put it in this forum, or any forum that purposefully places a Christian society in a negative spotlight because the person who started the thread wanted to perhaps either mock or take delight in a society they hate, cannot stand or does not try to understand. Hey correct me if I am wrong but I don't think I am. I see a pattern in some of these postings regarding Christianity. If a Christian were to turn the tables and do the same regarding Islam of course there will be outrage among the Muslims about this and rightly so.

Therefore, Christians who were invited to this forum to openly communicate with Muslims have a right to become upset when their belief systems are put on display in such a callous manner.
you know what Christ said about persecution? ;)

the more i read of those posts mocking my faith, the stronger it beomes. i thank those who try to mock it. they are helping me renew my faith in Christianity. Seeing it's lent, it's also very fitting.

marianna, in short, this thread should have been locked long ago.

But we're the kind of people who don't panic and see our arses about it. There's nothing to panic about because we know there is absolutely no ground what so ever to the "claims" being made. It's like reading comedy.

But the double standards are very interesting... don't you think?

Very interesting for sure.

DID JESUS PBUH MAKE ALCOHOLIC WINE?

Jesus did not drink or make alcoholic wine. Here are ten proofs from Scripture

THE FIRST REASON IS BECAUSE OF HIS HOLY NATURE

A SECOND REASON: HE WOULD NOT CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE.

THE THIRD REASON IS THAT LEV. 10:9-11 COMMANDS THE PRIEST OF GOD, "DO NOT DRINK WINE NOR STRONG DRINK

THE FOURTH REASON IS FOUND IN A PASSAGE WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED: PR. 31:4-5 PROHIBITS KINGS AND PRINCES FROM DRINKING ALCOHOLIC WINE OR ANY OTHER STRONG DRINK. IF THEY HAD DONE SO, THEIR JUDGMENT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERVERTED.

REASON FIVE: CHRIST DID NOT COME TO MOCK OR DECEIVE PEOPLE

REASON SIX: HE DID NOT COME TO SEND PEOPLE TO HELL

REASON SEVEN: CHRIST DID NOT COME TO CAST A STUMBLINGBLOCK BEFORE ANYONE

THE EIGHTH REASON: JOHN 2, THE MIRACLE OF TURNING WATER INTO WINE, DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT IT BE ALCOHOLIC

REASON NINE IS FOUND IN THE SAME PASSAGE: THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN GLORY FROM MAKING DRUNK PEOPLE DRUNKER

the tenth reason: making drunk people drunker would not have caused his disciples to believe more strongly on him

source (http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/didjesus.htm)


so Thalia don't you think it's about time to believe that Alcohol is forbidden in your religion and should be banned in your churches?

Do you also agree with the other observations at The Way of Life site ?

wudjab no off topics please.

If you bring a source to back up your arguments, you need to be able to stand by the source.

I would like to open some new threads based on the findings on that site.

Will you then change your mind ?

i think if you google 'catholic teachings on alcohol' you'll get an answer.
the church does not condemn moderate consumption, but does condemn drunkennes and any excess that harms the body.

^^wudjab go ahead and open as many threads as you like

me and my brothers muslims are ready for you not by the sword but by the word

ps. you are not the first or the last one who picks on our religion, but careful NO BLASPHEMY or mocking.

wudjab, before you get busy with your threads, please let me know what you think about UK? Do you think is it wrong to go against the teachings of Christ by banning people from drinking his blood (alcohol)? And yes, anything about any kind of intoxications?

wudjab, before you get busy with your threads, please let me know what you think about UK? Do you think is it wrong to go against the teachings of Christ by banning people from drinking his blood (alcohol)? And yes, anything about any kind of intoxications?
his blood is only his blood in a church, when it gets consecrated. a bottle of fine chateau neuf de pape is definitely not the blood of the Christ, but it is divine ;)

^ Hehe, nice one :p

THE EIGHTH REASON: JOHN 2, THE MIRACLE OF TURNING WATER INTO WINE, DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT IT BE ALCOHOLIC

The fact is, neither the wine which they had at first, nor that which Christ made, was alcoholic.
source (http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/didjesus.htm)

Question is here.
What was the exact pronouncement?
Was it narrated metaphorically?
Was it poetic expression?