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George Galloway vs David Frum

I agree that George Galloway is crazed, but he's definitely not a neo-con.

come on Jeff ... George does like to lick beoples feet but I can't hold that against him.

I know a few feet I would lick myself ... :hyper:

come on Jeff ... George does like to lick beoples feet but I can't hold that against him.

I know a few feet I would lick myself ... :hyper:

Not just feet. Boots.

Saddam Hussein had a particularly delicious pair, it would seem.

Yeah, I'm confused why you call Galloway a neocon !

He got owned with just one sentence "Mr. Galloway, I wouldn't use the word Payroll if I were you!"

Priceless.

^Fraid not pal, your fish-lipped friend was floundering.

Haven't seen anyone being able to debate with Galloway

i don't agree :)

^Fraid not pal, your fish-lipped friend was floundering.

If I was looking for a five second reason to persuade an intelligent person trying to choose between my politics and yours, I would just say: George Galloway.

If your hero is George Galloway, well, I don't see the point in debating you. Far more powerful just to let you tell people that George Galloway is your hero and leave it at that.

George Galloway is awesome!! :D

But also a bit scary, I wouldn't wanna have a debate with him over anything...imagine debating the best kind of choco with him...

Haven't seen anyone being able to debate with Galloway

Fabulous debater, yes, but like a shyster lawyer, all tricks, all smoke and mirrors.

If one wants to see Galloway completely smashed by an orator and debater of SUPERIOR skill and by the way learn the difference between style and substance, one can't do better than this debate between Galloway and Christopher Hitchens. Galloway sounds marvellous and thrills the students in the audience, but Hitchens simply puts him away. And the camera spots on Galloway getting an unfamiliar toasting are simply priceless. You can just hear him thinking: "Not fair! He's a dirty rat. I'm supposed to win!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INy2ysHhgYM

Start at 33: 50 the first time just to get a taste of the formidable technique of Christopher Hitchens. Watch for ten minutes or so and then go back and watch the whole thing and the other installments too...

If I was looking for a five second reason to persuade an intelligent person trying to choose between my politics and yours, I would just say: George Galloway.

If your hero is George Galloway, well, I don't see the point in debating you. Far more powerful just to let you tell people that George Galloway is your hero and leave it at that.

That's really rich coming from a swooning George W. Bush cheerleader like yourself :XD:

Did I say George Galloway is my hero? Can you quote me on that?

Not one of Galloway's strongest arguments, but the Frum guy did get owned, beating around the bush, attacking Galloway personally instead of disregard his commentary about standing beside Olmert while discussing nuclear weapons.

Frum spoke with logic, where as Galloway spoke with emotion.

Frum made a very good point, that it is the Iranian Govt who wants conflict and tension. He pointed to the Iranians buzzing the US Naval ships during Bush's visit to the Middle East. That was not random.

Whether you like it or not, America and or Israel both have the upper hand.

It is the Iranian Govt who plays the "victim" for their own agenda, which is to legitimize their theocratic autocracy in an ever increasing modern, liberal and democratic world. These are the same people who outlawed "Western" haircuts.

And it is well established that when there is conflict, oil prices go up. Iran is an oil exporting nation. It is clearly in their interest to stoke the tension and that is what they do.

I LOVE Galloway! and I wouldn't go on because I don't want to offend some people who posted here :rolleyes:

The Anti-*anyone/anything that SOMETIMES agrees with Muslims/Arabs* people.

That's really rich coming from a swooning George W. Bush cheerleader like yourself :XD:

Did I say George Galloway is my hero? Can you quote me on that?

Oh, good! You chose to post the link to this video and say that "fish lipped" Frum was "floundering" because you dislike Galloway and want to demonstrate how evil triumphs in a debate.

I guess.

I have to guess, because you don't tell us and leave us to surmise.

It certainly shows that you have watched George Galloway's debating techniques with care when you post a debate between a "crazed neocon" who disagrees with you and someone who bests the "flounder[er]" and then ask us to believe if we figure you're a Galloway partisan, we're assaulting your integrity.

If you want not to be associated with Galloway, then you should dissociate yourself from him.

Which--Galloway-fashion--you still haven't done! :p

I LOVE Galloway! and I wouldn't go on because I don't want to offend some people who posted here :rolleyes:

The Anti-*anyone/anything that SOMETIMES agrees with Muslims/Arabs* people.

You have never been afraid to offend anyone before.:p

If you got something to say, then say it. I will take it easy on you. I promise. :)

Frum spoke with logic, where as Galloway spoke with emotion.

Frum made a very good point, that it is the Iranian Govt who wants conflict and tension. He pointed to the Iranians buzzing the US Naval ships during Bush's visit to the Middle East. That was not random.

Whether you like it or not, America and or Israel both have the upper hand.

It is the Iranian Govt who plays the "victim" for their own agenda, which is to legitimize their theocratic autocracy in an ever increasing modern, liberal and democratic world. These are the same people who outlawed "Western" haircuts.

And it is well established that when there is conflict, oil prices go up. Iran is an oil exporting nation. It is clearly in their interest to stoke the tension and that is what they do.
Legitimize their Democratic autocracy ? .. There isn't a single instance where Iran imposed it's policies on the policies of another country. There's war in their neighboring country as we speak, something that strongly affects their economy and they haven't moved a muscle yet.

Let's take Ahmedi Al-Nejad off the picture, the "autocracy" you're making up. Would Iran .. a "modern, liberal and democratic" country have it's own choice of having nuclear weaponry (develop nuclear weaponry, sorry, we already know what have means in American dictionaries)

If what you consider what Frum said logic, it makes sense that you come and post something like that.

Legitimize their Democratic autocracy ? .. There isn't a single instance where Iran imposed it's policies on the policies of another country. There's war in their neighboring country as we speak, something that strongly affects their economy and they haven't moved a muscle yet.

Let's take Ahmedi Al-Nejad off the picture, the "autocracy" you're making up. Would Iran .. a "modern, liberal and democratic" country have it's own choice of having nuclear weaponry (develop nuclear weaponry, sorry, we already know what have means in American dictionaries)

If what you consider what Frum said logic, it makes sense that you come and post something like that.

Ti3s, Habibi,

As you may remember, A-jad is just a figurehead in Iran. He is elected by the people but his candidacy is appointed by the guardian council. They don't just appoint anyone to be a candidate, you know.

The real base of power is the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Council of Guardians. None of whom are elected by a mandate from the Iranian people.

And they are strictly religous, not liberal, and not exactly modern.

I understand their concerns about the US being in the region. But the Arab monarchies are much more cooperative on the issue, and coincidentally, the Arab monarchies are much better places to live than Iran.

It always seems like those nations who make a big deal about opposing big bad America, are always trying scapegoat their own problems at home.

Cooperative arab nations ? ...

It's not much of a choice for us. We're taking it in the back hard, hot and real and we're liking it.

Iran has retained it's rights were we've given ours. That's not the point anyway, neither is where the source of power in Iran is.

I don't know why you have to think of it that way.

Everybody has to work together.

Work together for what ? .. To get rid of Iran ?

If anybody wants to get rid of another, it is the current Iranian govt that has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and "death to America".

What does the Iranian govt stand for anyways that makes you so supportive? They are bunch of uptight religous dorks that want to tell people how to dress, what to think, how to live, etc.

I don't feel like that is really you Mr "I quote MegaDeth and Metallica songs". So what is it?

Oh wait I get it, it is being against the system. Raging against the Machine, right?

If so, then all I got to say is all those bands originated in America and not Iran. So think about that.

You have never been afraid to offend anyone before.:p

If you got something to say, then say it. I will take it easy on you. I promise. :)

Afraid? nah...it's more like they're my friends =p. Plus, don't you dare consider yourself one of them! I thought I made the fact that I hate you pretty clear!:p

I thought I made the fact that I hate you pretty clear!:p

And I love you all the more for it! :p

If anybody wants to get rid of another, it is the current Iranian govt that has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and "death to America".

What does the Iranian govt stand for anyways that makes you so supportive? They are bunch of uptight religous dorks that want to tell people how to dress, what to think, how to live, etc.

I don't feel like that is really you Mr "I quote MegaDeth and Metallica songs". So what is it?

Oh wait I get it, it is being against the system. Raging against the Machine, right?

If so, then all I got to say is all those bands originated in America and not Iran. So think about that.
I don't stand for the Iranian government. I'm not Iranian and I have absolutely no interests there. But when I see a country that did nothing, and is doing nothing being threatened for choices it's allowed to make, then the first thing that springs to mind is I'm next.

If you don't consider that I was before that is.

P.s. Thanks for the band history lesson.

I don't stand for the Iranian government. I'm not Iranian and I have absolutely no interests there. But when I see a country that did nothing, and is doing nothing being threatened for choices it's allowed to make, then the first thing that springs to mind is I'm next.

I am not sure why you feel that you are next.

My nation is the one that has already been attacked. And we will probably be attacked again.

Hmm, so who looks, acts and talks like they would attack the USA? Who has been saying "Death to America" for 3 decades now?

They can say whatever they bloody want to. All talk and no show. They've also been saying death to Israel for three decades as well too, and Saddam Hussein stupefied them when he pointed his guns towards Israel and fired with no talk.

Is Americanism that fragile ? .. Threatened by talk ?

Who are you calling fragile?

You're the one who is paranoid that you are next and nobody has ever made belligerent remarks to Oman.

What's up with that?


And yes the Iranian Govt can make threats and then they can suffer the consequences.

You're missing the point. Read the question, and answer it.

You're missing the point. Read the question, and answer it.

No, Americanism is not threatened by talk. It's the threat of suicide bombers and highjackers.

The actions of Sept 11 made terrorists attacks by radical muslim groups inside the US a clear and present danger.

It would be smart for radical Muslim groups, like the Iranian Govt, to stop making death threats to the Superpower which is not afraid to go to war.

It's really very simple.

No, Americanism is not threatened by talk. It's the threat of suicide bombers and highjackers.

The actions of Sept 11 made terrorists attacks by radical muslim groups inside the US a clear and present danger.

It would be smart for radical Muslim groups, like the Iranian Govt, to stop making death threats to the Superpower which is not afraid to go to war.

It's really very simple.
J4T,
You say Americanism is not threatened by talk, but threatened by suicide bombers and hijackers. Let's put Iran in context. They've talked their heart out, and in the last major attacks in the world in the last few years, New York, Washington, Madrid, London. How many Iranians were on the list of suspects ? and how involved was Iran in sponsoring the attacks ? ..

The answers are none and not at all. So basically, the US government wants the American public to shit it's pants over nothing.

Ti3gib,

You are just playing games now.

Why can't you just admit that the Iranian Govt should not be making antagonizing statements to other nations, especially ones like the USA?