It is utterly disgusting when a nation who think of them selves as civilized and democratic are in reality the most racist people on earth. They are simply contradicting themselves, they’re peace and equality postures are simply fake.


The appearance of an extreme right-wing force led by the Norman Lowell, who garnered 1,600 odd votes at the European Parliament elections, has given vent to pent-up feelings of hatred and displeasure towards Arabs and Africans who arrive to Malta. Only hours following her interview on a Xarabank programme dealing with racism, the house of Stephanie Abood, a Maltese Muslim who is married to a Kuwaiti, was defaced with insulting graffiti.
The latest Xarabank survey now reveals Arabs are the least welcomed nationality in Malta by 40.6 percent of the survey’s respondents, followed by Nigerians (32.5 percent), Jews, Chinese, Italians and Americans. Whilst the Chinese form the largest segment of foreign students at the University of Malta, Jews, which classify as the third least welcome nationality, are represented by just a handful of families in Malta.Source (http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/2004/07/18/t6.html)


“but on the other side, newly arrived African boat people get a different message, written in bright orange graffiti near the entrance of the refugee center: “Black go home.”“You can’t leave, you can’t go back, and the Maltese people don’t want you here and don’t want to know you,” Mr Garare told the American-owned newspaper.
The International Herald Tribune also quotes a poll by a local newspaper which found that 90 percent of the population would not want an Arab, African or Jewish neighbour. The newspaper mentions also the protests that are being held in MaltaSource (http://www.maltastar.com/pages/msfullart.asp?an=3554)

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have you ever had thousands of people who come to your land with boats ?
It has nothing to do with racism : is tons of people who arrive every day in Italy and in Malta and are also welcomed by local charity organisations .
Many of them run away, start smuggling drugs, organising prostitution traffics and stealing .
If you check newspapers the greatest majority of crimes are done by northern Africans : now tell me if you like it .
And in case you're Omani, I have more but you will not like it .

How many refugees from Africa do Arabian nations host on a permanent basis?

Not sure what your point is.

Do you think the Maltese people HAVE to like Arabs ?

Don't they have right to decide who they want on their island ?

I think he's just irritated at Thalia! :p

Unknown

have you ever had thousands of people who come to your land with boats ?
It has nothing to do with racism : is tons of people who arrive every day in Italy and in Malta and are also welcomed by local charity organisations .
Many of them run away, start smuggling drugs, organising prostitution traffics and stealing .
If you check newspapers the greatest majority of crimes are done by northern Africans : now tell me if you like it .
And in case you're Omani, I have more but you will not like it .

Stephanie Abood, a Maltese Muslim who is married to a Kuwaiti, was defaced with insulting graffiti.

So a Kuwaiti arrived in a boat and started the activities above?

In any survey someone/group has to be rated higher and someone/group has to rated lower.

The arabs happen to be rated least desirable in this survey.

I'm sure that I would end up towards the bottom on some surveys ... raciast MF's :hyper:

I have an Algerian friend who is working here in Muscat, he's been to Malta and his first impression was just as above despite the decent job he was doing there.

Ironically, the Maltese language contains a lot of Arabic words cause of the the influence left by the Arab presence in the 8th century, yet when my friend states that those words are Arabic, they go up in flames!

Hmm...

Could the fact that they were invaded by Arabs have anything to do with the fact that they don't like Arabs ?

PS: Reading whats under your avatar, I don't think they'd like you much either.

Hmm...

Could the fact that they were invaded by Arabs have anything to do with the fact that they don't like Arabs ?



...............

After a period of Byzantine rule (fourth to ninth century) and a probable sack by the Vandals, the islands were conquered by the Arabs in AD 870. The Arabs, who generally tolerated the population's Christianity, introduced the cultivation of citrus fruits and cotton, and irrigation systems. Arab influence can be seen most prominently in the modern Maltese language, a Semitic language which also contains significant Romance influences, and is written in a variation of the Latin alphabet.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta#Early_settlements_of_Malta)

So a Kuwaiti arrived in a boat and started the activities above?

Is not a matter of nationality
It's about rights
Here in Oman [in the whole Gulf] an expat can't even sneeze without taking permission from his sponsor
In Italy an honest expat working there and who acquired the residence, has the right to have medical assistance, to send children to governmental schools, to have a pension scheme
After 10 years of residence you can request passport
A political refugee can get it after 5 years
I dnt know in numbers how many are honest and how many not, but you understand that the average Italian seeing all these advantages for people who virtually have no rights, are lil bit enraged
It's not racism, is a problem of surviving
For years our governments have created this situation by accepting money from countries of the Maghreb where starving people become a political threat
Now they understood the population is not tolerating anymore and are trying to restrict
Is the same here : I dnt think locals really hate Indians but they see their arrogance in taking over in business and work and are afraid that there will be no space for the future generations

After a period of Byzantine rule (fourth to ninth century) and a probable sack by the Vandals, the islands were conquered by the Arabs in AD 870. The Arabs, who generally tolerated the population's Christianity, introduced the cultivation of citrus fruits and cotton, and irrigation systems. Arab influence can be seen most prominently in the modern Maltese language, a Semitic language which also contains significant Romance influences, and is written in a variation of the Latin alphabet.

Not good enough.

The Maltese have every right to think poorly of people who conquered them.

Is not a matter of nationality
It's about rights
Here in Oman [in the whole Gulf] an expat can't even sneeze without taking permission from his sponsor
In Italy an honest expat working there and who acquired the residence, has the right to have medical assistance, to send children to governmental schools, to have a pension scheme
After 10 years of residence you can request passport
A political refugee can get it after 5 years
I dnt know in numbers how many are honest and how many not, but you understand that the average Italian seeing all these advantages for people who virtually have no rights, are lil bit enraged
It's not racism, is a problem of surviving
For years our governments have created this situation by accepting money from countries of the Maghreb where starving people become a political threat
Now they understood the population is not tolerating anymore and are trying to restrict
Is the same here : I dnt think locals really hate Indians but they see their arrogance in taking over in business and work and are afraid that there will be no space for the future generations

Our nations as you mentioned are not completely innocent of racism, but I'm quite certain that if a survey is made, the figures wont be as high as the ones in Malta. After all, just as our economies are very dependant on foreign labor, we don't ask them to racially discriminate against them based on color or race, they're presence is indeed annoying to some people cause of the unemployment issues but not the majority.

our economies are very dependant on foreign labor

That's one of the issues that creates racism [and am becoming, I have no problem in admitting that]
In Europe still there are locals who can do low jobs
Here if you need a plumber you have to search for indian o pakistani
And they know that they are necessary, so they become arrogant and you start hating them
I remember one day my housemaid was staying late
I asked her "aren't you going home"
"no madame am sleeping here"
?:os?
"am not having bus money so am staying here"
After having a bp raise :cute: I explained her that normal people ask for help if they need without imposing their presence
I gave her the money and told her that for the future if she was not satisfied with her salary she could have simply left

For an employee to just come out and say she is staying in your residence is wrong. Maybe her English was not great but yes, I agree, don't impose ask.

As far as immigration. I think a nation should not pick and choose. Instead have set quota limits on any ethnic group...because I personally think the native population should have first dibs on who gets what jobs, healthcare...whatever. Like in Oman where they have the concept of Omanization well, like in my country I believe in Americanization...let every job that is of manual up to the highly skilled first go to the citizens here because well....they deserve it. And as far as migrant working i.e. picking fruits etc...let there be chain gangs of prisoners taking care of that if no one wants those jobs. Instead of being in an a/c prison cell make those people work for having broken the law--that way labor stays internal and if anyone wants to work here come in legally with your paperwork so you are not a burden to society.

hahahahaha ...

Love the fact that little old Malta has made the headlines here.
If you push the right buttons... ROFL

I'm too busy to answer all this now.. but you can expect a few answers from minerva and I in about an hour.. just after I've done her hair. :hyper:

Shall I get out the popcorn ?

A double barreled attack from Thalia and Minerva - that alone is worth the price of the admission.

Shall I get out the popcorn ?

A double barreled attack from Thalia and Minerva - that alone is worth the price of the admission.What's worse than a woman scorned ... 2 women scorned!

Run for your lives ... :hyper:

* Gets ready *

I didn't know that Malta was conquered by Arabs, may be that's why Maltese people hate Arabs...it's a pity

I don't think so Thalia hate Arabs otherwise she will not be married to an Arab *smile*

I wonder why they use the term Arabs and not Muslims in the survey!!!!!

Is this racist as well ?

Millions of expatriate workers could face being kicked out of the Gulf if plans proposed by Bahrain are passed at the next GCC summit in December.

The kingdom will put forward a motion at the meeting in Doha to place a six-year residency cap on all expatriates working in the region in an effort to stop what it sees as the erosion of local culture and to stem soaring unemployment among nationals.
....

“The majority of foreign manpower in the region comes from different cultural and social backgrounds that cannot assimilate or adapt to the local cultures,” said Bahrain Labour Minister Majeed Al-Alawi, UAE daily Gulf News reported on Monday.

“In some areas of the Gulf, you can’t tell whether you are in an Arab Muslim country or in an Asian district. We can’t call this diversity and no nation on earth could accept the erosion of its culture on its own land,” he added.

...

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=501348&Itemid=1#continueArticle

Paging Dr. Mimosa.

This could've been a good thread, but everyone had to bore it out.

Wudjab, I think the GCC should come with a law allowing only Muslim labourers to work in their countries

imagine the numbers of converts to Islam then.

Get the popcorn Wudj.

First of all, Norman Lowell is.. how shall we say.. a madman. The source of the first post is from 3.5 years ago. Since then, the situation has only gotten worse.

People back then thought Norman Lowell was crazy. He spoke of things that are now happening in the UK and Italy and France and Norway and Holland etc etc but the good Maltese heart was always open to receiving refugees.

We have loads of Palestinian, Lebanese and Iraqi refugees.. but see .. they are REFUGEES. They have a good excuse for leaving their country.. and we've welcomed them on our tiny and massively overcrowded little island. They have all the rights a Maltese person enjoys.

Before making stupid statements about my country, first, lets analyse what we're talking about.

Malta. It's tiny. We have no natural resources (like oil) and we are surrounded by sea. A sea that is now served as a huge net that drags up the boats that leave the northern african shores ... not because they are running from war.. but because Malta or rather Europe offers a better lifestyle than Libya.

From a boat that is carrying 25 people, 23 of them are men. What happened to the women? Aren't they also suffering from the war?

And the 2 women on the boat are 38.5 weeks pregnant! You do the math. :rolleyes:

They come here, and this racist nation gives them free health care in the second best hospital in the world, free education, free food, free housing and EVEN a weekly allowance. And all because this racist nation has its Christian values embedded in its constitution.

There was a case just last summer where a group of migrants had their boat drown.. OUTSIDE Maltese search and rescue waters (which incidentally stretch almost up to greece (http://bp2.blogger.com/_KpM38ho3B74/RmV5Mp2xVWI/AAAAAAAAAA8/479VZ6VM530/s1600-h/malta+search+and+rescue.jpg).)

A maltese fisherman let them hang on to his tunapen, but didn't let all 27 of them onboard for fear that they'd take his boat over. The Libyan authorities are notified and say they are on their way. They never turn up. They are notified again. But again they don't turn up. These people are INSIDE their waters! That's how much the Muslim northern african country of Libya treats people who are drowing in ITS seas.

A spanish trawler takes them in the end. We are TOO overpopulated to take on any more people. We are facing a crisis, so it's no surprise that people would not like to have a few thousand africans taking their jobs, their housing and sucking up their few resources..

To many Maltese, Africans and Arabs are the same. Infact, most north africans call themselves arabs, so don't blame us for the error.

The reason why arabs are disliked here is... hmm lets see.. because most come here and cause trouble. They fill our prisons and try to shag everything that shows a bit of ankle. Boys included. The ones who come here are dirty, destructive men. (notice how the women don't come. :rolleyes: ) .. so owners of apartments for rent don't like to rent their property to arabs because they know that they will find it filthy and destroyed.

How do you expect to that people don'y dislike such a group of people? The good ones have to make a super extra effort to balance the picture. But the good ones usually stay at home, they don;t go looking for a meal ticket by illegally entering someone else's country with lies and excuses.

What's wrong with libya? Why can't they stay in Libya? First of all, it's muslim. So, 99% of the "problems" these people face trying to live in Europe are all but non existant.

Yes. Please stay away. Unless you are REALLY in need of our help.

Minerva.. your turn. :hyper:

Short term converts ?

Like the Fillipino's who discuss their conversion stories on tv and then aren't moslem them moment they leave Oman ?

LoooL. I was actually expecting a complete political debunkervadge, and all I got is a well written short story.

Ohh. Comedy. Gotta love the comedy.

Thalia, are they faced with Christian missionaries once they step in Malta?

“but on the other side, newly arrived African boat people get a different message, written in bright orange graffiti near the entrance of the refugee center: “Black go home.”

Isn't that racist thing to say to human beings?

Thalia, are they faced with Christian missionaries once they step in Malta?

Let's hope so! :)

Norman Lowell is considered as one of our National jokes. in fact he's allowed to put out his views because we have freedom of speech.
As time goes by, 1% of his ideas are starting to sound less kookie. He had been warning us of over population by illegal immigrants for a long time. His solution was an inhuman one....although practiced by other countries (Australia ;) ) Our govt chooses to keep them here, in camps and ex-barracks giving them free food and all the other stuff fengy mentioned.
Each class in any given school has 2 or three illegal immigrant children...out of 24.
That's the government's part. We have countless amounts of charitable insitutions (The Jesuit Refugee Service just won an award by the UNHCR) that do good work with these people.
Unfortunately when too much becomes too much, racist tendencies start to come in. When you have spent hundreds of thousands of liri to have a nice house then one fine morning you find a drunken arab sleeping in his own wee in your garden, it's not very nice...then your patience starts to wear thin.
when illegal immigrant children start calling maltese christian children pigs because they eat ham in their sandwiches...then your patience wears thinner...
when the 'waiter' in your camp comes to give you a quarter of a chicken daily, with fresh veg and potatoes, milk and cereal for breakfast, and a middle meal....and you keep it to rot so you can throw it back in his face..then your patience starts almost disappearning...
when the government spends lm27 (maltese liri..don't know the conversion) of your own tax money to refurbish your camp, installing new beds, blankets tv's etc and the immigrants hosted there trash it the next day....woooo
You start thinking twice about being nice...although not being nice is frowned upon. We still make an effort. The town next to mine is like mini somalia. It's an old town full of lovely old palazzos. in the midst of these houses is a refugee centre...these people can't even sit in the middle of their village in the piazza because they are afraid. We don't know if these people are ex-militia, if they are used to looting and raping. We have them as next door neighbours because malta is small.
As fengy said, the majority of the prison population in tiny Malta is Arab. That says something not about all arabs, because i do know a few good ones, but about the majority of them that come here. they are serial trouble makers. stabbing is crime of choice, followed by raping and slitting throats.

the only Catholic missionaries they meet are people like Fr. Pierre Marguerat, the guy who puts them into church schools FOR FREE, and letting them practice their own religion, tries to find them jobs and gives them mobile phone cards so that they can contact their parents to tell them they are all right.

Area of Metropolitan Muscat

= c. 1500 square kilometers

Area of total nation of Malta

= 316 square kilometers

the only Catholic missionaries they meet are people like Fr. Pierre Marguerat, the guy who puts them into church schools FOR FREE, and letting them practice their own religion, tries to find them jobs and gives them mobile phone cards so that they can contact their parents to tell them they are all right.

See? I knew it! :)

That's the lion's share of what our missionaries do. Help people you guys aren't helping and say nothing at all about religion.

Check out Caritas in Jordan for example.

See? I knew it! :)

That's the lion's share of what our missionaries do. Help people you guys aren't helping and say nothing at all about religion.

Check out Caritas in Jordan for example.
forgot to mention that a lot of catholic university students choose to spend their free time teaching these 'poor souls' how to read write and speak english instead of going out clubbing and drinking every weekend, even though they can if they wanted to.

Thalia, Minerva if Arabs in Malta are as bad as you told I don't blame you then for hating them, shame on them to be called Arabs....stabbing, raping, slitting throats, that's awful.

Okay now, it's time to fess up.

Who's kidnapped Clouds and put an imposter in his place ?

I think one of the lessons of this thread is: actions speak louder than words.

Maltese, under tremendous pressure, might sometimes be grumpy or say unpleasant things. But the actions of their nation toward those in need is tremendously generous.

But how many Pakistanis fleeing persecution or poverty are treated similarly in Arabian countries? Are there refugee camps full of them where they get all the things the Maltese give their refugees?

How easy is it for a refugee to get permanent resident status in Gulf Countries, compared to Malta? How about citizenship?

Okay now, it's time to fess up.

Who's kidnapped Clouds and put an imposter in his place ?

clouds is really a very nice guy when you get to know him. His post doesn't surprise me at all.

What's that Biblical verse about the camel and the needle's eye ?

Thalia, Minerva if Arabs in Malta are as bad as you told I don't blame you then for hating them, shame on them to be called Arabs....stabbing, raping, slitting throats, that's awful.

How contradicting to say such a thing when she's married to an Arab!

Thalia, Minerva if Arabs in Malta are as bad as you told I don't blame you then for hating them, shame on them to be called Arabs....stabbing, raping, slitting throats, that's awful.
Thank you.

An article about a madman and his supporters from 3 years ago does, under no circumstance give you a clear picture of what my country is like.

The question of the day is:

Why do these Somalis and Eritreans and Sudanese end up in Malta, when Oman (just one of the so many muslim countries in their vicinities) is so much closer? So much more Islamic? And so much prettier?

;)

We are just 400,000 people on a tiny island. Can we afford to give so many immigrants our jobs? Jobs that some Maltese people already don't have?

Charity starts at home, dunnit? First, Malta should help the Maltese tax payers. But we're so racist, that immigrants get to jump the queue in our hospitals, they have meals made especially for them (cos I don eat this ana don eat that) and their kids get into church schools for free, schools that Maltese kids have to go through a selection process for and PAY for.

In 10 or 20 years, we'll be seeing the thanks for all this... with people demanding sharia and demanding we don't print this or that in out papers.. just wait and see.

Lowell was right.

Facts speak out.

Amnesty International Report 2007 - Malta

Racism

Overt racism continued to increase. The non-governmental coalition, the European Network Against Racism (ENAR), noted that debate in the news media and on the Internet was increasingly hostile towards immigrants and that racist attacks and hate speech were on the rise.

Arson attacks targeted individuals or organizations that actively worked to protect the human rights of migrants and refugees or denounced racist and discriminatory attitudes and actions in Maltese society. Racist speech and attacks appeared to find increasing legitimacy within Maltese society.

• In early March the house of a poet was set on fire in an arson attack just a few days after he launched a book of poetry promoting tolerance and refugee rights.

• On 13 March, seven cars belonging to the Catholic Church's Jesuit Community were destroyed by fire at night, shortly before publication of the Report on Racism and Xenophobia in Malta by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC). The Jesuit Community is EUMC's partner in Malta. On 11 April a car belonging to a lawyer working with the Jesuit Refugee Service was set alight and destroyed.

• On 3 May the editor of the weekly Malta Today newspaper had his house torched by arsonists. He had published an editorial on racism and immigration shortly before the attack.

• On 13 May the home of a journalist from the daily newspaper, The Malta Independent, who had denounced the extreme right and written about racism and immigration, was attacked. In the early hours, arsonists leaned five burning tyres filled with petrol against her back door. Smashed glass and petrol were spread on the road in front of the house, in an apparent attempt to prevent her family escaping or to block help arriving.

Migrants and asylum-seekers

Malta maintained its automatic detention policy for irregular migrants. On arrival they are held in closed detention centres for up to 18 months and later transferred to open centres. The policy clearly violates international human rights laws and standards. Migrants were detained without first having a proper medical screening, potentially putting the health of other detainees and detention centre staff at risk. Non-governmental organizations and journalists were still not allowed access to migrant detention centres.

Four administrative detention centres for asylum-seekers and migrants were in deplorable condition and failed to meet legally binding international standards, the EU Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs reported in March. A delegation of the Committee, visiting four detention centres, found that the Hal-Safi detention centre "was like a cage", without sheets on the beds, broken and dirty mattresses, and no heating. Hygiene conditions were intolerable, with broken showers, no hot water, and toilets without doors and in a state of disrepair. At the Hal-Far centre, delegates found high levels of mosquitoes and rat infestation, and appalling conditions in bathrooms. Some residents who had fled the Darfur region of Sudan said their asylum applications had been rejected on the grounds that "they could have moved to safer areas of the country". At the Lyster Barracks centre, there were only two functioning toilets for more than 100 people, no provision of sanitary towels for women, and no area outside for fresh air and exercise, the Committee reported.

Amnesty (http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Europe-and-Central-Asia/Malta)

How contradicting to say such a thing when she's married to an Arab!
My husband hasn't started raping, stabbing and slitting throats.. yet. I'll let you know when he does.

I'm not sure the word hate is appropriate. Hate is a strong word. I think people simply dislike them, are afraid of them and indifferent.

Some others do hate them, of course. The same way some arabs, ironically, hate the Maltese and everything about them, but still stay here. :)

Facts speak out.

Amnesty International Report 2007 - Malta

Racism

Overt racism continued to increase. The non-governmental coalition, the European Network Against Racism (ENAR), noted that debate in the news media and on the Internet was increasingly hostile towards immigrants and that racist attacks and hate speech were on the rise.

Arson attacks targeted individuals or organizations that actively worked to protect the human rights of migrants and refugees or denounced racist and discriminatory attitudes and actions in Maltese society. Racist speech and attacks appeared to find increasing legitimacy within Maltese society.

• In early March the house of a poet was set on fire in an arson attack just a few days after he launched a book of poetry promoting tolerance and refugee rights.

• On 13 March, seven cars belonging to the Catholic Church's Jesuit Community were destroyed by fire at night, shortly before publication of the Report on Racism and Xenophobia in Malta by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC). The Jesuit Community is EUMC's partner in Malta. On 11 April a car belonging to a lawyer working with the Jesuit Refugee Service was set alight and destroyed.

• On 3 May the editor of the weekly Malta Today newspaper had his house torched by arsonists. He had published an editorial on racism and immigration shortly before the attack.

• On 13 May the home of a journalist from the daily newspaper, The Malta Independent, who had denounced the extreme right and written about racism and immigration, was attacked. In the early hours, arsonists leaned five burning tyres filled with petrol against her back door. Smashed glass and petrol were spread on the road in front of the house, in an apparent attempt to prevent her family escaping or to block help arriving.

Migrants and asylum-seekers

Malta maintained its automatic detention policy for irregular migrants. On arrival they are held in closed detention centres for up to 18 months and later transferred to open centres. The policy clearly violates international human rights laws and standards. Migrants were detained without first having a proper medical screening, potentially putting the health of other detainees and detention centre staff at risk. Non-governmental organizations and journalists were still not allowed access to migrant detention centres.

Four administrative detention centres for asylum-seekers and migrants were in deplorable condition and failed to meet legally binding international standards, the EU Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs reported in March. A delegation of the Committee, visiting four detention centres, found that the Hal-Safi detention centre "was like a cage", without sheets on the beds, broken and dirty mattresses, and no heating. Hygiene conditions were intolerable, with broken showers, no hot water, and toilets without doors and in a state of disrepair. At the Hal-Far centre, delegates found high levels of mosquitoes and rat infestation, and appalling conditions in bathrooms. Some residents who had fled the Darfur region of Sudan said their asylum applications had been rejected on the grounds that "they could have moved to safer areas of the country". At the Lyster Barracks centre, there were only two functioning toilets for more than 100 people, no provision of sanitary towels for women, and no area outside for fresh air and exercise, the Committee reported.

Amnesty (http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/Regions/Europe-and-Central-Asia/Malta)
LOL

you're lucky we don't open a few threads about human rights in middle eastern and african countries.



Ok.

Malta is a bloody racist country.

STOP COMING HERE IN BOATLOADS.
STOP COMING HERE AND STAYING WITH AN EXPIRED VISA.

much love,

Thalia :cute:

Thats how they welcome them, 18 months in detention centers that have 2 functioning toilets for every 100.

Ohh, someone gave up!

Typical behavior when faced with facts.

Thats how they welcome them, 18 months in detention centers that have 2 functioning toilets for every 100.They could let them drown in the ocean like Lybia does. Would that be better?

And btw that is probably 1 more toilet than they had from where they came from ... a step up.

I think what Thalia is trying to say is that the resources in Malta are being stretched thin. I also think maybe if they were to go to countries as refugees where there is more room for them would be better off. Malta is tiny people. come on....how can a country this small support so many people esp. their own citizens? If we have some Gulf countries wanting to get rid of expats and there are good and bad arguments for it why are we all condeming a small country like this one who is trying to survive itself? Sure racism is wrong but so is the governments of these immigrants who come in in such a manner.

In addition, wouldn't it be better for the immigrants to find a nation where their beliefs are simliar so that way they can easily be integrated into the society? Think about this in a common sense sort of way. If there are limited resources (land, money, food etc) and if the culture is predominanlty Christian and Western wouldn't it make it that much harder to blend in???

Ohh, someone gave up!

Typical behavior when faced with facts.
yes yes your facts are so scary. wooooh...

See, if they REALLY were FACTS that reflected what REALLY happens, I would take you on.


But I'd rather have some nigerian scum read this thread and have second thoughts about abandoning his family to come and live here off my taxes, work illegally and then end up on 'holiday' in our prisons.

I think what Thalia is trying to say is that the resources in Malta are being stretched thin. I also think maybe if they were to go to countries as refugees where there is more room for them would be better off. Malta is tiny people. come on....how can a country this small support so many people esp. their own citizens? If we have some Gulf countries wanting to get rid of expats and there are good and bad arguments for it why are we all condeming a small country like this one who is trying to survive itself? Sure racism is wrong but so is the governments of these immigrants who come in in such a manner.

In addition, wouldn't it be better for the immigrants to find a nation where their beliefs are simliar so that way they can easily be integrated into the society? Think about this in a common sense sort of way. If there are limited resources (land, money, food etc) and if the culture is predominanlty Christian and Western wouldn't it make it that much harder to blend in???
Marianna, this thread is not about Malta or the poor people of africa that the middle east can't care less about.

This is about pissing me off. I must have touched a nerve somewhere these last 2 days.. :hyper:

And, although it's pretty entertaining, (it always is when you know you are right and they are wrong), I have better things to do than argue about it.

I just hope some would-be illegal immigrants see it and change their mind about coming. :D

We have enough problems. We don't need economic illegal migrants and fleecers..

nigerian scum


If it was really an issue of illegal immigration that is bothering you, then you would have generalized and said "scum", but since it is an issue of color, your statement above confirms the validity of this thread.

Nope, she would have said Black Scum if she was racist towards blacks.

But she said Nigerian which means shes doesn't think much of illegal immigrants from Nigeria.

Is it so bad to be racist

I think it is...you can dislike the actions of the individual but I hate racism. I faced it growing up being mixed & I faced it with my Omani's ex's family. For me is very bad. :(

If it was really an issue of illegal immigration that is bothering you, then you would have generalized and said "scum", but since it is an issue of color, your statement above confirms the validity of this thread.
You need help with english .. and english grammar? lol

A person, black, white, pink, yellow, green etc .. who tries to get into a country, illegally, and takes that which he has no right to, is a thieve.

Thieves are scum. You know.. the sediment of something good.

A nigerian (for example) who is thinking of doing that is scum. You know that bit about intentions...

I agree, doesn't matter if he is black, white, orange, christian, muslim, jew...if a person comes into another country and steals away what should be the right of the citizen then he is scum. If a person comes in because they are being persecuted religiously or politically different answer. In the end what needs to be dealt with is the corrupt country from which the immigrant came from and honestly....how many people here who does not live in Malta will welcome with open arms some of these people? And be honest. I already am and would prefer immigration to completely stop. Fleeing a country solves nothing. Of course this is an oversimplified answer but transferring yourself from one country with issues to another one where resources are limited is only asking for trouble.

If it was really an issue of illegal immigration that is bothering you, then you would have generalized and said "scum", but since it is an issue of color, your statement above confirms the validity of this thread.
Also, arabs are not that different in colour than us. So your argument fails miserably.

Infact, we are often mistaken for arabs when travelling abroad. We look similar, are similarily short and have more or less the same dark-ish features. We talk similar too. We just dress and behave alot different. :)

I agree, doesn't matter if he is black, white, orange, christian, muslim, jew...if a person comes into another country and steals away what should be the right of the citizen then he is scum. If a person comes in because they are being persecuted religiously or politically different answer. In the end what needs to be dealt with is the corrupt country from which the immigrant came from and honestly....how many people here who does not live in Malta will welcome with open arms some of these people? And be honest. I already am and would prefer immigration to completely stop. Fleeing a country solves nothing. Of course this is an oversimplified answer but transferring yourself from one country with issues to another one where resources are limited is only asking for trouble.
And it's taking the problems from one country to another. These people have no skills, most can't read or write.. and they end up here, loitering in our streets, unemployed, but with sattelite phones to reach their friends and relatives who are also coming over for a long long holiday. :rolleyes:

If you go back about 7 years, this wasn't such a big problem. We used to cope with the numbers, that given our size, can't be too large. But now it just feels like half of africa is trying to descend on us.. and we're just a rock in the middle of the sea!
Where are the governments from oil rich countries in all this? Oh wait. They're too busy choosing what carot gold will line their sink handles.

And it's taking the problems from one country to another. These people have no skills, most can't read or write.. and they end up here, loitering in our streets, unemployed, but with sattelite phones to reach their friends and relatives who are also coming over for a long long holiday. :rolleyes:

If you go back about 7 years, this wasn't such a big problem. We used to cope with the numbers, that given our size, can't be too large. But now it just feels like half of africa is trying to descend on us.. and we're just a rock in the middle of the sea!
Where are the governments from oil rich countries in all this? Oh wait. They're too busy choosing what carot gold will line their sink handles.

Funny, It's apparent that "you" need English spelling lessons before we move on to grammar.

Funny, It's apparent that "you" need English spelling lessons before we move on to grammar.
That's because I've never seen any gold in my entire life, and as you can see, hungry too. I'm dirt poor. Can I come live with you? Can I take your bedroom over? And help myself to your fridge? Can I then kick you out when you annoy me and remind you of MY rights?

:hyper:

Malta is a bloody racist country.



Thank you.

Message received, loud and clear.


"Peace",

UnKnown

Thank you.

Message received, loud and clear.


"Peace",

UnKnown
lol

yep. Make sure you never come unknown. It's a horrible horrible place. :yes:

if this thread is initiated for personal need then it should be locked coz it would go no where but casting chit chats..


regarding the main topic, unknown am an Omani and if someone tried to come in my country illegally and caused troubles whatever they are and whoever they are , i may would do the same as Maltes people did.

say about me a racist, but i'll do whatever it takes to back those people off our land :)

i don't see any racism action in that but a natural defence any patriot would do

The latest Xarabank survey now reveals Arabs are the least welcomed nationality in Malta by 40.6 percent of the survey’s respondents, followed by Nigerians (32.5 percent), Jews, Chinese, Italians and Americans.


LOL.....what?

if this thread is initiated for personal need then it should be locked coz it would go no where but casting chit chats..


regarding the main topic, unknown am an Omani and if someone tried to come in my country illegally and caused troubles whatever they are and whoever they are , i may would do the same as Maltes people did.

say about me a racist, but i'll do whatever it takes to back those people off our land :)

i don't see any racism action in that but a natural defence any patriot would do
Of course there is no racism. There is only fear. Because of the history these people have.. in Malta and in their own country.

People will not pick and choose who to help based on their colour or race. The fact is, this island is tiny. And we cannot help even all those who are genuine refugees because there are too many. In a way, those who are here to get a free meal ticket are taking the precious space available to those who are genuine refugees. They can't even respect each other, you think they will respect us?

LOL.....what?
:hyper: :hyper:

That is referring to the American navy ships that often come. We hardly get any American settlers here.. or even tourists.

They're like.. "Malta? Where's that?"

:hyper: :hyper:

That is referring to the American navy ships that often come. We hardly get any American settlers here.. or even tourists.

They're like.. "Malta? Where's that?"

Yeah, that is what I was thinking.

So do the Navy boys come ashore, get drunk and loud and chase the local women, or is it just the presence of the ships in port that is annoying?

Yeah, that is what I was thinking.

So do the Navy boys come ashore, get drunk and loud and chase the local women, or is it just the presence of the ships in port that is annoying?
I think since being independent, people are prone to liking the way we don;t have to fight anyone else's wars anymore. So they are afraid that war ships docking here create a risk for an attack.. you know how peace loving people are sometimes.. they don't like 'helping out' ships of war..

The Navy boys don't create trouble actually.. if they have done, it would be a very rare incident..

I think since being independent, people are prone to liking the way we don;t have to fight anyone else's wars anymore. So they are afraid that war ships docking here create a risk for an attack.. you know how peace loving people are sometimes.. they don't like 'helping out' ships of war..

What a bunch of peace loving weirdos. :p

What a bunch of peace loving weirdos. :p
Why thank you kind sir. I'll regard that as a compliment. :D


Your Racist friend,
Thalia.

If it was really an issue of illegal immigration that is bothering you, then you would have generalized and said "scum", but since it is an issue of color, your statement above confirms the validity of this thread.

Somehow this reminded me of some material on another thread I was reading the other day:

[QUOTE=Mti;803898]Yes, I am one of these individuals who feel proud my ancestors played a role in developing our former African dominions. When our ancestors first arrived there, they were met by savages whose life expectancy hardly exceeded 30 years of age. Languishing in hunger, tropical diseases, illiteracy, and ignorance living in perpetual misery in a land of plenty.

We TRANSFORMED the above scenario to one of heaven on earth in just few decades. We brought exotic spice seeds and planted, we brought cotton seeds from the American plantations and sowed and we brought sugar cane from the Caribbean’s and cultivated the bountiful land introducing to the indigenous what “a decent life” is all about.

We Islamized the place, built schools, mosques, introduced sports, health care centers and recreation facilities. We introduced animal husbandry, diary farming, and cash crop ideas and above all we restored self confidence to the indigenous. We made treaties with various warlike tribes we armed our allies and disarmed the trouble makers. Finally we drafted LAWs and enforced them treating every individual on his/her merit and protected human rights throughout our reign.

We were not, occupiers Mister, but God send civilizers of a dark continent. Our legacy still remains there and [this is my favorite part! :p ]every African today wishes we could go back and rule once more for them to live a happy, peaceful and progressive life. If they petition us thru the Arab league I am ready to go back and rule as Sultan Sayyid Jamshid is too old now.

Enough for now.

Far be it from me to dispute that there were some benefits to the colonizers by colonialists. But this went over the top.

Did he mean what he said? Maybe not. But people express themselves brashly sometimes when they are confronted by challenges. Some Maltese might get grumpy when faced with these kinds of massive problems from foreign refugees. And a few even do nasty tricks like firebombing places and stuff.

And some Omanis get grumpy and talk a bit wild when their prized and beloved history and patriotism is challenged and talk about how the Africans are ignorant savages who are begging Omanis to go back and rule them so they can live in paradise again! :p

I think the bottom line is: Maltese let them in. Maybe too many of them. They are overwhelmed and sometimes soured. But they take care of them.

Arabians don't let them in.

Talk to Somalis who have lived in Jeddah illegally--trying to get a way to survive or shelter from persecution back home--about Arab racism and see what kinds of answers you get.

But then again, most Saudis are charming people! The world is full of paradoxes and we are all sinners.

No need to single out little Malta and point fingers.

Jeff, we HAVE to let them in.. What would we do? Let them drown in the Mediterranean? Like Libya would?

Last summer, a few weeks after the tuna pen incident, another 2 boats were in peril of sinking. They called a relative in the Maltese detention centre by Sattellite phone (they are running from war and poverty, but can afford a sattelite phone) and told them they were in trouble.

The Maltese Armed Forces learnt of it and contacted Libyan authorities. The boats where quite close to Libya.. and in their waters. The libyans say, no, we ain't going.. the sea is too rough.

An IRANIAN ship which is only a few miles away is contacted.. and they change course to go to the boats.. then they refuse to take them on board, incase they are armed. The ship contacts Malta. Malta tells the ship to contact Libya and urge them to come out. Libya is contacted and still refuses to help. The iranian ship sails away, leaving a stalled boat full of people on high waves.

Later, the Libyans deny half of what happened. (oh what a surprise!)

No one knows what happened to those two boats.

Here is a link to the happenings of that night, timeline and all.

http://archives.rezo.net/migreurop.mbox/200706.mbox/%3C339670.75027.qm@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com%3E

Hope this is a political enough approach for you, Ti3gib. ;)

Well, I wish that some international convention would relieve the poor Maltese of all that responsibility. It seems to me that Europeans should share the burden, if there is going to be a "European Community."

It even seems to me that we should help. There's lots of room here.... I remember driving through North Carolina with an Ethiopian friend and she was looking out the window at mile after mile of unoccupied countryside. "Good Lord!" she said after hours of driving, "this country is empty!"

We can certainly take on a few Libyans.

But no one will listen to me, of course. :p

Well, I wish that some international convention would relieve the poor Maltese of all that responsibility. It seems to me that Europeans should share the burden, if there is going to be a "European Community."

It even seems to me that we should help. There's lots of room here.... I remember driving through North Carolina with an Ethiopian friend and she was looking out the window at mile after mile of unoccupied countryside. "Good Lord!" she said after hours of driving, "this country is empty!"

We can certainly take on a few Libyans.

But no one will listen to me, of course. :p
They're not even libyans.. They're from the countries further down, closer to the east. ;)

Malta is a part of the European border. These people may be poor. But they are not stupid.

And most are not refugees either.

They're not even libyans.. They're from the countries further down, closer to the east. ;)

Malta is a part of the European border. These people may be poor. But they are not stupid.

And most are not refugees either.

My sympathies are with refugees, even with economic ones.

But I understand Malta's terrible predicament and I think we Americans should shoulder more of the burden...

And I salute the Maltese for maintaining basic humanitarians in the face of such a challenge. I wonder if the people complaining would do as well under such circumstances. It doesn't seem like it...

My sympathies are with refugees, even with economic ones.

But I understand Malta's terrible predicament and I think we Americans should shoulder more of the burden...

And I salute the Maltese for maintaining basic humanitarians in the face of such a challenge. I wonder if the people complaining would do as well under such circumstances. It doesn't seem like it...
From the article above, you can see how prepared to reach out some people are. No point in proclaiming unity and brotherhood to the world.

Leaving people in your waters to face certain death is not what I call "brotherhood".

Yes. Actions speak louder than words. Every six months, a bag of my kids clothes that don't fit anymore, goes to the nearest centre. I don't like the fact that they come here to suck our limited resources, while we pay through the nose for it all, but there's something deeper and more profound than that indifference or dislike. A feeling that you want to help this person, simply because they are human. You'd help a stray dog, it's not that difficult to feel the need to help a human. It's a basic feeling, at least for me it is and for many of the people around me. And the kids, especially, are not to blame.

I'm racist.

Can I bang hot Maltese girls?

From the article above, you can see how prepared to reach out some people are. No point in proclaiming unity and brotherhood to the world.

Leaving people in your waters to face certain death is not what I call "brotherhood".

Yes. Actions speak louder than words. Every six months, a bag of my kids clothes that don't fit anymore, goes to the nearest centre. I don't like the fact that they come here to suck our limited resources, while we pay through the nose for it all, but there's something deeper and more profound than that indifference or dislike. A feeling that you want to help this person, simply because they are human. You'd help a stray dog, it's not that difficult to feel the need to help a human. It's a basic feeling, at least for me it is and for many of the people around me. And the kids, especially, are not to blame.

And this is what makes me proud of our joint cultural and religious heritage.

And proud of you, by the way. "Something deeper and more profound" is what I think people sense in you behind all the scintillating wit and blustery combativeness (dictionary time, Sablians! :p ). That's why (here comes the a**-kissing ;) ) we love you...

I have to ask...why should Americans shoulder this burden? Why can't some other countries take care of this??? We cannot be the world savior...we have issues in our homeland also that need attention. America should not be the catch all for everything. I mean it...How much more can we take economically when there are problems regarding feeding our own homeless, poverty stricken citizens????? Maybe there can be a quota but I don't think we should always shoulder the refugee burden while there are countries closer (who have the space, resources and similar culural/religious backgrounds) to these people that can try to help out.

^Actually marianna, you guys have been a bit too interested in the world around you for the past seven or ten years I guess.

This thread reminds me of an Egyptian phrase we use when somebody is calling for a cause and nobody is hearing him out. Every month or every few months, we get news of Egypt of dead youngsters found on the shores of Italy or Greece. It's sad that someone is so fed up of their country, they're ready to die just to get out of it. And it's sad that such a country is so fed up of its own citizens. The solution doesn't start in Malta, the solution starts at the countries where the people COME from.

And about that phrase, it's used when somebody is calling for a cause and nobody has the open mind to hear him out.
We say, 'He's calling in Malta'. I think that many people in this thread are really calling in Malta.

Actually I am one of many Americans who are tired of our international dabble. Trust me...we would like to see the focus of resources shifted internally. I have seen first hand how the average American here is having problems making it. So I am behind you on that one...I would much rather we left other countries be and focus inward. And you are 200% correct...it is sad how these citizens feel the need to leave their country when there is so much strife and corruption. A complicated situation indeed.

I always thought it would be fun to sneak into Canada and be an illegal alien.

marianna, we agree :D

i can assure you, being Maltese, that most maltese go out of their way to help these people. it's when there's a wave of nastiness coming from the illegal immigrants that real fear sets in. everybody i know at the school i work in gives clothes and food anonymously to the centres via the church and the school authorities. these kids get given free school trips and inoculations and books, so they won't have to stick out from the crowd. sometimes, when things happen....like when a girl gets raped by four illegals...there's an outrage and people get pissed off...as in 'is this the thanks you are giving us?'.
i think when you emigrate to a country the first thing you should do is try to integrate. learn the customs and the language, be grateful for the hospitality and try to be a productive member of society. at the moment i'm thinking of this one girl i taught. she was from the congo. her mum got killed back home and her dad escaped with her as a baby. she's a lovely girl, speaks our language. her dad has a good job and is respectful whenever we go to the shop he works in. if he feels any grudge towards us, he definitely knows how to mask it. people like that make you want to help them more to get on their feet and have a good life. this man and his daugther now have their own home, they don't live in a refugee centre anymore and they are just like two of us. they haven't enclosed themselves just within their group...they reached out to us and allowed us to accept them.

So what is the conclusion now, Malta is a racist place or not?

So what is the conclusion now, Malta is a racist place or not?
If you are a would-be illegal immigrant who plans to come here, lie about your country of origin so you can stay here and live off our taxes, YES. We are racist. We will treat you so bad, you would have rather stayed in whatever real african country you hail from.

If you are a genuine refugee, have ran away with your family, seeking a place to rebuild your life with peace of mind, and plan to integrate and earn our respect then no. We're not. We'll welcome you with open arms.

If you want to come here, rent an apartment, trash it, overstay your welcome even after your visa expires, work illegally, gang rape a tourist and fill our prisons.. then yes. Again, we are racist. Please stay where you are.

If you are a decent honest tourist in search of a place that offers great hospitality, a rich and ancient history, beautiful hotels, magnificent firework festivals and great food, then come.. Just leave your scimitar at home.

:D

Fair enough but you don't have to be racist in the first case for example, you make rules so that people will not come or if they came send them back home without being racist.

Fair enough but you don't have to be racist in the first case for example, you make rules so that people will not come or if they came send them back home without being racist.
I'm being sarcastically patronising on purpose.

We are not racist. But when certain races of people keep coming over by the boatloads for the same illegal reasons you start to dislike those people because of what they are known for. Kinda how you in Oman see Indians and other Asians.

It doesn't mean we would treat them differently than we would treat any other illegal immigrant.

And it's not as simple as sending them back.

First of all, sending them back costs us money AGAIN. We can't give them their sunken boat and seized outboard engine to go back to Africa. :rolleyes:

Also, we can't, by international laws, leave people in distress in the water. Libya apparantly can. But that's another thing.

We have a responsability to rescue people from the seas. Thousands upon thousands die every year trying to make it here. The people in the muslim countries that sell them the boats often don't give them enough fuel. The boats are often over loaded and in bad shape. They get in without even knowing where they are going. It's sad.. but it's also the wrong solution.

They are burdening us with all the paper work (it's taking months for applications for refugee status to be processed because there are so many - the real refugees are having to wait very long in poor crowded conditions), with finding them places to stay, with providing medical care etc etc... and yet, they will not be happy here. We are a majorly Christian country, we don't have enough jobs to go around, life is expensive and we're not used to raping our women for sex or settling disputes with stabbings.

We're just too different. And too crowded.

Some examples of the bad behaviour Minerva and I have talked about .. and this from just yesterday's newspaper.


A 36-year-old Libyan national was jailed for 11 years and fined €23,000 (Lm9, 870) for importing heroin, conspiring to import drugs into Malta and being in possession of the drug in circumstances indicating it was not for his exclusive use.

wo Syrian brothers were yesterday remanded in custody after one of them tried to escape from the Ta' Kandja detention centre by using a saw blade hidden in a banana given to him by his brother, who is married to a Maltese woman.

Abdul Hamed Tlass, 22, pleaded guilty to trying to escape from the detention centre in Ta' Kandja near Siġġiewi. His brother, Abdul Majid Tlass, 27, pleaded guilty to acting as an accomplice in the attempted escape by hiding the saw blade in a banana. He also pleaded guilty to breaching a bail condition.


Two Libyan nationals yesterday pleaded guilty to using 41 counterfeit Lm10 notes.

Abdul Baset Debia, 39, from Valletta, was jailed for 15 months and Adel Muftah Elforjani, 27, from Sliema, was given a two-year jail term suspended for four years after they admitted to trying to use the notes in Floriana on January 6.

Magistrate Saviour Demicoli heard Mr Elforjani also admit to resisting arrest and assaulting and threatening police officers.

Mr Debia also admitted to relapsing. (that's lying under oath, by the way)

And parts of a letter to the editor talking about an assault that happened to a family while walking into our capital city.. :

Harassment at City Gate
..The area in question is rapidly gaining notoriety for gangs of foreigners harassing passers-by to the extent that it may turn into a no-go area for locals in no time at all. The same can be said of other localities which are characterised by a high number of so-called foreign residents.

It is interesting to note that such incidents are rarely reported in practically all sections of the local press while even petty incidents in which foreigners are "victims" are given wide coverage by our totally left leaning media.

While one must express solidarity with the victim and his family in the City Gate incident, one must hope that it will serve as an eye-opener to the harsh realities that unchecked illegal immigration is exposing this country to. Can one not have the right to access our capital city without being, at best, harassed?

When will the powers that be wake up from the lethargy they let themselves fall into and start taking action, instead of wasting time delivering Sunday sermons? When our village squares and playgrounds become off limits to children and adults alike?

When the value of properties in some neighbourhoods plummets? Perhaps, when members of their own families fall victim to unwanted guests?..

That's in just one day.

They can all be found at www.timesofmalta.com

hahaha funny country

explains everything to me now

hahaha funny country

explains everything to me now
I'm so glad it does. ;)

Also, hunting for a thread, that's been asleep for two weeks, at the early hours of the morn explains a helluva lot more.

^^ well u have been hunting lot of things didnt u

and oh btw i just wanted to reply weeks ago didnt had a chance but now !

any problem with that ? ;)

its my right to comment at whatever thread i want to even if it was 10 years old one

^^ well u have been hunting lot of things didnt u

and oh btw i just wanted to reply weeks ago didnt had a chance but now !

any problem with that ? ;)

its my right to comment at whatever thread i want to even if it was 10 years old one
Not at all.

Do you have anything worth reading to put to the thread? Or just more random nonsense?

How about you tell me what Oman is doing to help the Eritreans and Sudanese?
That would be something worth reading..

^^ honey well i decide if i want to post something or not ;) u dont have to ask ..

well my country THANK GOD is waaaaaaaaaaaaay much better than urs :)

and oh Oman does help lot of countries and no we dont need to let EVERYONE KNOW about it ...

:hyper:

Keep saying that and I might just come to live next door to you.

How about you tell me what Oman is doing to help the Eritreans and Sudanese?
That would be something worth reading..
Fengy,

This is how Oman is helping the Sudanese:

Thank you, Your Majesty (http://amjad248.blogspot.com/2007/10/thank-you-your-majesty.html) - Amjad's blog

His Majesty, the sultan Qaboos bin Said, is ALWAYS there for his brothers & sisters in Sudan, Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq. May God bless His Majesty, and give him a very long life.

The post I provided above is not the only help of Oman to Sudan or any other country. Oman as I said is ALWAYS there for other countries in need. I was just giving an example, since I was raised & grown up in Oman, and I am a Sudanese citizen.

hey fengy ^^ look at this this is what am talking about a REAL PROVE ..

*victory dance*

The point of this thread was not to say that Oman or Arab countries are bad.

The point of this thread was to say that Malta stinks. And it stinks because it treats its refugees badly.

It's no dis to other countries to point out that they are way less generous about letting refugees in and giving them a permanent home than Malta and many other countries.

And it doesn't mean that Oman and other countries don't give money or other kinds of valuable assistance or anything of the sort.

So, us being such a small country, over crowded already and resources stretched to the limits.. will His Majesty take a couple of thousand Africans off us, d'you think?

Enough is obviously not being done. Or maybe not enough are running eastwards. :rolleyes: Hundreds of thousands perish in the Mediterranean every year. They must have lost their maps.

^^^ hahahaha ur funny and pathetic.. trying to prove something which doesn't exist..anyway at least our country is TRYING the best and gives who deserves the most

.. anyway hon go dye ur hair and deal with things u know more about ..

^^^ hahahaha ur funny and pathetic.. trying to prove something which doesn't exist..anyway at least our country is TRYING the best and gives who deserves the most

.. anyway hon go dye ur hair and deal with things u know more about ..
Care to elaborate on what exactly doesn't exist? Apart from common sense and manners on your part?

oh arent u smart enough to figure it out ;)

Oman is a wonderful country that does a lot of wonderful things in the world.

Malta is also a wonderful country that does a lot of wonderful things in the world.

I don't think the point is a criticism of Oman. The point is, Malta is more generous with one thing at least: Letting refugees in and resettling them.

People who let fewer refugees in may have a good reason for doing that. But they shouldn't criticize too easily the countries that let in many, many refugees and try to give them a home if they get a bit stressed. That's all.

oh arent u smart enough to figure it out ;)
No. I'm an ignorant spoilt little rich girl.

Now, please enlighten me, if you even have any idea what you were on about in the first place.

Fengy,

This is how Oman is helping the Sudanese:

Thank you, Your Majesty (http://amjad248.blogspot.com/2007/10/thank-you-your-majesty.html) - Amjad's blog

His Majesty, the sultan Qaboos bin Said, is ALWAYS there for his brothers & sisters in Sudan, Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq. May God bless His Majesty, and give him a very long life.

The post I provided above is not the only help of Oman to Sudan or any other country. Oman as I said is ALWAYS there for other countries in need. I was just giving an example, since I was raised & grown up in Oman, and I am a Sudanese citizen.Let's do the math ... $1 mil for them. That's a start.

Now other countries are taking in these people running from all these muslim countries daily. Taking them in and feeding, clothing, housing ... medical at a cost of probable $1 mil a week minimum.

Will the sultan be sending $1 mil weekly? I doubt it.

Though the real question is why are all these people running by the millions from muslim countries to non-muslim countries?

Oman is a wonderful country that does a lot of wonderful things in the world.

Malta is also a wonderful country that does a lot of wonderful things in the world.

I don't think the point is a criticism of Oman. The point is, Malta is more generous with one thing at least: Letting refugees in and resettling them.

People who let fewer refugees in may have a good reason for doing that. But they shouldn't criticize too easily the countries that let in many, many refugees and try to give them a home if they get a bit stressed. That's all.
Thanks Jeff.

Sometimes it just seems unfair that smaller countries have to take on a burden that's so much more than they can handle. But we do anyway. And this is the point being missed.

But that's ok.

Though the real question is why are all these people running by the millions from muslim countries to non-muslim countries?


Couldn't have put it better myself.

They're running north. Not eastwards. And the east is closer too.

There's gotta be a good reason for that. :hmm:

ohhh sorry i dont like to teach *spoiled Old little rich girls* about what they just said before and trying to act stupid :)

and trust me i know what i say ;) am not like u say things and then deny them oh sorry for breaking the truth you have a serious issue with ARABS i dont know why , could this be from a one life time experience u had or oh still having or is it your media dear:rolleyes:


ps: U can read all what u said b4 about Oman and some other Arabian countries then u might remember what do you wanted to prove ...

...and trust me i know what i say ;)


I'm not sure. You're not really saying much, are ya? :hmm:

I'm not sure. You're not really saying much, are ya? :hmm:

and who said i care if you are sure or not

You are obviously out of the game toxic. Don't you possibly have anything better to post? Can you bring one valid argument to the table?


I guess not. :hyper:

Thanks Jeff.

Sometimes it just seems unfair that smaller countries have to take on a burden that's so much more than they can handle. But we do anyway. And this is the point being missed.

But that's ok.

As I said, if they left American immigration policy up to me, we would be taking far more than we do now. I'm sure jack may disagree, but my feeling is we are just not taking anything like our fair share.

So for those who felt like I was criticizing Oman (I wasn't) I am criticizing America much more on this issue.

oh fengy so its a game to u huh?!

sorry its NOT what i call GAME for me ,its what i call it real life ..

so u better go to play one of ur games hon am not for those things ;)

As I said, if they left American immigration policy up to me, we would be taking far more than we do now. I'm sure jack may disagree, but my feeling is we are just not taking anything like our fair share.

So for those who felt like I was criticizing Oman (I wasn't) I am criticizing America much more on this issue.
See. I could agree with you on that.

BUT.


It's not just a question of money and space.

It's also a question of traditions, customs etc that these people bring with them that clash with those and the ideals of the countries they are running to.

There are several oil rich countries in the ME who could a helluva lot more.
Of course the whole problems IN the African countries are happening because..?
Because of RACISM and Religious persecution.

Thus the ends meet.. just like a perfect circle.

oh fengy so its a game to u huh?!

sorry its NOT what i call GAME for me ,its what i call it real life ..

so u better go to play one of ur games hon am not for those things ;)
Darlin', it's a figure of speech.

Look it up.

While you're at it, look up the meaning of "inside joke" .. cos I'm sure you missed that one earlier too.

Now scurry along if you have nothing of substance worth adding here.

oh u try to be funny too huh! what a way of what u call it speech u have hahahaha

look i say when i want to add something or not ok ?! not u

u know that u are wrong at some point to judge my country while u have no prove... and anyway we got a real prove from Amjad ...

omg i cant believe that u r trying to act like knowing it all .. while ur NOT

jack : it doesnt matter how much oman sends it does matte that at Least we care.. and dont forget about how much oman lost this year in JUNE and without any help from others we tried to stand up again and beside that we are helping who does need help more then we do ...

so get a life and do ur math away

See. I could agree with you on that.

BUT.


It's not just a question of money and space.

It's also a question of traditions, customs etc that these people bring with them that clash with those and the ideals of the countries they are running to.

There are several oil rich countries in the ME who could a helluva lot more.
Of course the whole problems IN the African countries are happening because..?
Because of RACISM and Religious persecution.

Thus the ends meet.. just like a perfect circle.

Right. Well, maybe so. But as you pointed out, it's we who think we HAVE the responsibility to receive these people who should do more than those who don't.

We are pretty good--better than most--at absorbing and integrating these people. We don't have much in the way of Muslims rioting and protesting because most of our refugees settle in fine and feel quite American after a few years.

I've worked with so many of these refugees and had them to my house and been to their houses and they were in the main very good people. I never felt we lost anything by taking them.

You have a small country with a particular culture. We have a huge country--vast beyond belief--with a less homogenized culture which prides itself on being open-ended: Just look at the Statue of Liberty.

So, all I'm saying is: people aren't noticing Malta's difficulty because it's small and "insignificant". It may be small but it's not insignificant.

I'm into noticing things. And so I think that if the world were a juster place and we Americans were just a bit more considerate we could make a huge dent in Maltese problems.

Malta did an outsize job of helping us all in World War Two because she was at the front of things. And she's doing an outsize job now with refugees for the same reason.

We are in the end, part of the same civilization, all part of the West. We will sink together or float together. And we ought to be helping Malta more.

That's true whatever Arabian countries might think about the right way to address the refugee issue.

Can't disagree with anything you've said.. it's true that people integrate better in the US.

I wonder why.

What makes me say that is because so many people outwardly criticise and "hate" the US. Yet, they're perfectly happy to go there and become one of them.

And we are the better for it. Let them come, as our ancestors came.

I think Malta has every right to decide who they want in. Its thier country after all and they have to share thier limited income with those who would stay. I dont think its racisit at all!!

Though the real question is why are all these people running by the millions from muslim countries to non-muslim countries?

Obvious that they are running away from Islam................but when they are fed & sheltered by the devils, they try to impose their tradition & "religion" into their "home"

hahaha funny country

explains everything to me now
you have a chip on your shoulder or something?
why don't you trash it out in a pm or on msn.
very immature of you to hijack threads for your own personal reasons...looking from the way you post it looks like you have some chips, or boulders on your shoulders.

Mr Jeff,

Migration is a natural process of Human history since the primitive age.

Mr Jeff,

Migration is a natural process of Human history since the primitive age.
bloody hell..they should migrate somewhere else lol cos we can't afford to keep them anymore.

Though the real question is why are all these people running by the millions from muslim countries to non-muslim countries?

Valid and logical question.
It is we, who could not create good job, better leaving condition and even fundamental freedom.
People feel safer in West and America.
The root cause is the rulers of Muslim populated countries.
Look to the Pakistan , Bangladesh and others.
We have given open license to West and America to extract black gold.

bloody hell..they should migrate somewhere else lol cos we can't afford to keep them anymore.

This is History, you accept or deny, matters are little.
Moreover, your this sentiment should grow more among you. So they can realize their position.
I welcome this attitude.
This racial attitude may help to open the eyes whom the West and America oppressing economically decades after decades.

Though the real question is why are all these people running by the millions from muslim countries to non-muslim countries?

simple answer, they travel for better living conditions and better careers. but the real question is why imigrant muslims hold on their religion in non muslim countries while more than 80% of non muslims imigrants embrace islam in muslim countries ;)

Strangely I don't read about boatloads of illegal immigrants landing up on the shores of Oman and Saudi Arabia.

Maybe because people migrate to a BETTER place.

And maybe because the governments of those countries might not be so generous and take them in and feed and clothe them and ultimately give them citizenship. Maybe they'd just turn the boats back to so and let them drown.

This is History, you accept or deny, matters are little.
Moreover, your this sentiment should grow more among you. So they can realize their position.
I welcome this attitude.
This racial attitude may help to open the eyes whom the West and America oppressing economically decades after decades.

Didn't take long for you to blame the US in a thread discussing Maltese immigration you bloody racist.

Mr Jeff,

Migration is a natural process of Human history since the primitive age.
erm....
now we are homo sapiens, not neanderthals. we don't need to migrate. people need to fix their own countries not fleece others.
how would you feel if i came to your country, claimed that the maltese govt is harassing me and start demanding rights of worship and demand land to build my church, right to wear whatever i want regardless of your customs, rights of putting my child into your schools while you foot my bill....etc etc etc

Strangely I don't read about boatloads of illegal immigrants landing up on the shores of Oman and Saudi Arabia.

Maybe because people migrate to a BETTER place.

And maybe because the governments of those countries might not be so generous and take them in and feed and clothe them and ultimately give them citizenship. Maybe they'd just turn the boats back to so and let them drown.

You don't read cause the press doesn't publish but there are tons who come, don't worry
Many run away and remain inside the country without visa for years
Some are kicked out, some not
There are agreements between Oman and the governments of Asia
The majority are kept here cause in their countries they're a big problem
And we don't accept lessons on charity cause we pay zakat and we give regularly during the year
And we help non Muslims as well, don't worry
In case you happen to be out of a Mosque or of a shop during Ramadan [and not only then], you will be offered food without asking
This is Oman, not sure about the rest of the Gulf

But Minerva,

You would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER want to migrate to a place like Bangladesh.

You don't read cause the press doesn't publish but there are tons who come, don't worry
Many run away and remain inside the country without visa for years
Some are kicked out, some not
There are agreements between Oman and the governments of Asia
The majority are kept here cause in their countries they're a big problem
And we don't accept lessons on charity cause we pay zakat and we give regularly during the year
And we help non Muslims as well, don't worry
In case you happen to be out of a Mosque or of a shop during Ramadan [and not only then], you will be offered food without asking
This is Oman, not sure about the rest of the Gulf

Oh, so Illegals (mainly those who's visas have expired) are looked after and taken care of and given jobs ?

Funny, that wasn't how it used to be when I was in Oman.

I remember them actually HIDING when the baladiya used to come around on their regular raids.

Yes you remember well
You might remember also how some of the illegals steal and make money with the black market
They are not looked after but they are "integrated"
Am an expat and I had very bad experiences, I still think the good part is the majority in Oman
If we want to argue with the rules, that's their rule : no citizenship [unless you are some big Indian with money]
After all, this is supposed to be a rich country [not really Oman, but Saudi Arabia for example]
If they give it easily, tomorrow morning all come here
Italy gives it in a relatively relaxed way but at the end of the year you pay more than the 50% of taxes on your incomes and the cost of life is high
If they had communities like those in the Mediterranean who take care of them [but am sure ROP does it, I know many good policemen], the next step would be that of sending them back
So I don't know how much convenient that would be

woow, i got a loot to say about this topic.
firstly, i gotta comment that there is actually familys that raise them with racisim! they teach their kids this kid is chinese we dont like them and this kid is black we never love them and we hate them!! thats really common these days :(
secondly, i have to admit that i can become a lil racist which i was really against, i started creating this hate towards 1 group of ppl and it grew by time somehow, its more like the effect around me, my friends are sometimes like that girl is ****** all ***** is not nice and dirty and it turns out to be true!!! seriously!!
thirdly, this is a matter everyone is struggling with everyday, wether they were from asia, africa, america, south america, australia maybe alaska 2!! i hope this will end soon :(

Isn't what lili said a good way to end this thread?

The whole point of the thread was nasty. UnKnown opened it in order to attack Malta, which strikes me as unpleasant and weird.

The Maltese defended themselves...naturally...and pointed out that there are some ways in which they do better than the people who are pointing the fingers.

amo rightly points out that nevertheless there are still plenty of ways in which the Arabians are welcoming and continue to care for the poor and the stranger.

So why not stop the argument right there? Countries have good points and bad points. Some do better in some areas and some in others.

There is no good reason to point fingers at the Maltese. They are not perfect, but they do many good things. And some of the good things they do are not done as well by others.

And perhaps vice versa.

As lili points out, racism and poverty are problems everywhere in the world in one form or another. There is no good reason to have started this thread in the first place. And naturally, this unpleasantness is the end result of it.

there isn't that much dirt to dig over here. if you say something that's actually really really bad, we won't defend it. we admit it and try to change it. our tiny rock depends a lot on what others think of it...thank god tourism is the main feeder of the country, and we haven't starved yet. ;)
at the moment we are trying to keep our identity. that of being maltese and european. we want our kids to have a better quality of life. illegal immigration is slowly eating away at this.

you have a chip on your shoulder or something?
why don't you trash it out in a pm or on msn.
very immature of you to hijack threads for your own personal reasons...looking from the way you post it looks like you have some chips, or boulders on your shoulders.

hahaha here we come! one of those tries to get in the GAME , AS ur friend call it

look honey who has some chips is u ..

anyway i wont just look around and say nothing when u guys try to say bad thinsg about ARABS or muslims ...

is obvious that you have an personal issue with it or something
coz u know nothng about whos arabs or muslims ... look at your posts in lot of things and tell me whos attacking here! its you and what can i call it you Gang or whatever!

you didnt like this thread coz its saying something true about your country from important trusted sources ...

at least am not going throw all thread and try to throw hints and mean jokes about others like what you and ur friends do..

now taste from your own cup, u dont like it huh

if i disliked arabs, i don't think i would be here.
there are many nice arabs/muslims in Malta and my husband and i are friends with them.

I was talking of a problem about some losers who try to enter my country by getting pathetic excuses.

If not liking illegal immigration makes one racist, then I confess, I'm very racist.
At the same time I do try to help those who are real refugees, therefore i dont' know if i am still racist.
Your way of posting is plain nasty. The article posted was about one cooky guy...i'm sure many articles were left out ....and i'm sure the majority of the maltese don't agree with him. but anyway.... (important trusted sources... :XD: omg.... )

^^ well some ppl who hates America, go there and live there for a reason ;)
its not an excuse to say that u love arabs and u came here for that lol and after that you make fun of them .. huh that what you call it love?



yeah and by trusted sources ,i meant for example the Amnesty International report which was included in this thread ;) in case u thought something else.. anyway dear put it in the way you want, but you know exactly what i was talking about


anyway honey i made my point and thats it...

I don't understand why it has to be a fight.

Some Maltese might have problems with racism. But like lili said, so does everyone.

Here is a thread started by an OMANI last year called "Are Omanis Racists?"

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41017&highlight=racist

And in his very first post, he says:

"as for my humble opinion i do think oman is the most racial country in the world??!??"

And the second post, the pianist--also an Omani--says

"I also think that oman is the most racial country in the world .. more that france ,, more than any other place in the world ..... I really dont know why do people still think in the way !! it is so depressing even though Im a 100% omani"

Of course, some disagree. Others are somewhere in the middle.

Scottish Girl (a Muslim) says

"I think 53% of Arabs are racist.

Arabs are either really really nice or really really not nice."

Nella says,

"Racists are everywhere...but we do have ((some)) over-racist ppl here :hehe: "

Nabhan says that people in Jordan "hate black people".

And here's a comment from another Omani on another thread:

"You see people who talk about Islam and equality, but they themselves are racists. That’s huge in Oman; just have a look at the nasty racist text messages!"

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31902&highlight=Racism

This is Omanis and Muslims self-criticizing.

Why, why, why can't we just leave it that this is a problem of human beings, not of Omanis and not of Maltese?

That's the problem with the thread in the first place. It was an attack thread. There was no interest in finding out if there was anything to be said on the other side, just an attempt to make Malta look bad.

Oman and Malta are both wonderful countries, each in their own way. But each have a dark side. This is how it is with human beings and with our nations too.

But the point is: We all have problems.

yes but i can honestly say that we are not a racist nation. if we were, we'd be sending them back or shooting at their boats so they'll drown, not give them food and shelter.

I think it's the right of those who live in a country to control who comes in and who comes out.
I don't think it's their 'right' to throw people out if they come in by legal ways.
I do think it is their right to throw people out if they come in by illegal ways.
I do think the root problem is not why people are thrown out but why they wanna go in.

Just my 2 cents.

^^ well some ppl who hates America, go there and live there for a reason ;)
its not an excuse to say that u love arabs and u came here for that lol and after that you make fun of them .. huh that what you call it love?



yeah and by trusted sources ,i meant for example the Amnesty International report which was included in this thread ;) in case u thought something else.. anyway dear put it in the way you want, but you know exactly what i was talking about


anyway honey i made my point and thats it...
where did i make fun of arabs?
(and i never used the word love either....i said if i disliked i wouldn't be here)
amnesty international say what they said.... because they live in camps...
sorry we haven't got buildings to house illegal immigrants.
but they do get 3 meals a day and they don't have to sleep on roundabouts and there are no beggars in our city...everybody gets to sleep with their bellies full.
whatever your colour, race, religion or background.
anyway....

i agree with jeff, i didnt read the posts before i posted before (sorry its a habit, i just read the topic and anwser ^_^;; ) but after reading some posts, it was mainly either attacking or defending maltese people! please everyone understand this is a problem filling the whole world!!! there is everywhere people like that, even if its for thier religion or blood or blood type!! i want to prove this that my friend whos iraqian said that her uncle(who is soney سني) got a phone call from his friends son who is (shaiey شيعي) the kid was crying and said that he hates all soney people cuz they killed his family and sweared for revenge! im not sure if this falls in any part of the topic but this kind of hatered is increasingly growing everywhere!! ruining many kids innocence :( , what i see comin now is a future filled with hatered, and people should realise that in this moment! and im sure there are other countries that has created such rules as the maltese!

But Minerva,

You would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER want to migrate to a place like Bangladesh.

Why one will wish to migrate in Bangladesh( A poor and economically backward country , highly overpopulated and around 50% people bellow subsistence level) if he /she has no any bad intention?

Even then we find Zion's agents are working here since long.

Because no one in their right mind would ever willingly migrate to a sh!thole.

erm....
now we are homo sapiens, not neanderthals. we don't need to migrate. people need to fix their own countries not fleece others.
how would you feel if i came to your country, claimed that the maltese govt is harassing me and start demanding rights of worship and demand land to build my church, right to wear whatever i want regardless of your customs, rights of putting my child into your schools while you foot my bill....etc etc etc

I agree with this 200%. In countries where there is corrupt leadership and a dispportionate amount of poor to rich needs to be dealt with. When you have leaders living in palaces while their local populace lives in abject squalor something is askew here. Where are the morals of these leaders, the compassion for their people?

When immigrants come to a new land they have to understand that the local population has their own ways of doing things i.e. religion (if it is the opposite of the immigrant's own), mores, cultural statutes etc....if the immigrant plans to stay there fine...do it in a way where they do not become a burden to the adopted society and become a working member not a drain to the citizens already there. I don't care where these people come from. If some immigrants come to my country expecting a free ride I would be one of the first ones to protest that they be sent back to their own corrupt nation and let the leaders deal with those issues. Tired tired soooo tired of having to deal with the influx of individuals coming here for a free ride. (Note: I am NOT talking about people fleeing war etc...and these people also need to become contributing members but I know that they need time to adjust to the adopted country and I don't harbor ill will toward them. But I do habor ill will toward their government for not fixing their own problems).

Racism is everywhere..

Even in Malaysia there is more serious racism ..