Thought came to my head.

I heard that marrying non-Muslims was not allowed.
But then I heard that marrying non-Muslim but Ahle Kitaab (Book Family? please translate) was allowed.
Again I heard that marrying any religion was allowed given the children be Muslims.
But yet again I heard that only marry a person when they turn to Islam.

I know the last one makes the most sense, but what about those other religions, won't the other religion want you to convert to theirs?

How hard will the family take it to marry someone of a different religion? Get boycott from the family!

Won't the person your marrying tell you that if you love me you wudn't care bout my religion? What you gona do? Given ur very serious with that person and deeply in love.

Any drawbacks of this sort of marriages? They break easily or are stronger?


I am completely not talking about Islam sects so no Sunni Shia etc. talks here.

Women are not allowed to marry a non-Muslim under any circumstances. Men can.

Muslim men are just allowed to get married to either muslim, christian or jewish women.

Muslim women are allowed to get married to muslim men only! it's not even allowed to get married to either christian or jewish men!

of course both muslim genders are not allowed to get married to atheistic or godless people!

^^ exactly ...

Unless you are completely ready to accept the other person for who and what she ALREADY is, don't ever get married.

This goes for other aspects of that person. But in your case, religion being so important, don't marry anyone expecting them to change their religion, lifestyle and ways of living because you want them to or think yours is better.

Just go for what you think is better if that is not good enough. Simple.

With over a billion muslims in the world today, its best you leave the non muslim women alone.

After all, why would you want to saddle yourself with an unchase woman ?

It better for everybody, most of all the non muslim woman.

Any drawbacks of this sort of marriages? They break easily or are stronger?



Anyway, I strongly believe that if the couple is muslim and the other is not then I would bet mylife that marriage would not stand long and if it did 99% of it is problematic. The reason behind my belief that maybe you and your other half are perfect at the beginning but then outsiders will start to get between the onion and it's peal and the religion bit is a very good target for them.. can not you see Mr. Bush. *I wounder how westerns say that proverb lol*

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With over a billion muslims in the world today, its best you leave the non muslim women alone.


Loool. No, only hald of them are women, so we are left with only 1/2 a billion Muslim women!

A relative of mine married a non Muslim woman, Christian, the thing is she is more devoted to religion than he is. So the kids started going to church every Sunday with mummy.

When they grew up, they realised they are Muslims, but since dad does not practise, they dont know what to follow, totally confused.

I think people who decide to get married outside their circle of influence should have a long thought about this, because in some cases they end up victimising their own children.

I forgot to write this.

What if you marry a non-Muslim and that person converts to Islam, let be it be that person is either much older or younger, whether married before, have children from before, or first marriage. Do we get Sawab (good points) in Islam for that? Is it true?

Excuse me for these words, many Omani's have gone to east and also Africa and brought girls who were formerly w[hor]es and married them and they converted to Islam. Is that also ok in Islam? its just confusing if your allowed to do these things or not.

A relative of mine married a non Muslim woman, Christian, the thing is she is more devoted to religion than he is. So the kids started going to church every Sunday with mummy.

When they grew up, they realised they are Muslims, but since dad does not practise, they dont know what to follow, totally confused.



That is the danger, one first should find chaste non Muslim woman and better that she converts to Islam first. Otherwsie marrying a muslim woman is the best espacially in today world where it's common in the western world to have illigal relationships before getting married.

Loool. No, only hald of them are women, so we are left with only 1/2 a billion Muslim women!

A relative of mine married a non Muslim woman, Christian, the thing is she is more devoted to religion than he is. So the kids started going to church every Sunday with mummy.

When they grew up, they realised they are Muslims, but since dad does not practise, they dont know what to follow, totally confused.

I think people who decide to get married outside their circle of influence should have a long thought about this, because in some cases they end up victimising their own children.

The reason which Islam allowed men and not women is that the men go the main influence on their children religion.

I don’t think every man is allowed to marry a non-Muslim, they should be sure that they got this influence or else the rule doesn’t work.

It’s similar to “Men marrying more than once” there are always rules/ reasons and a winsome behind what god asked us to do.

Many people tend to read the first part “Muslim men can marry non-Muslim” and forget the other part which is “the wisdom behind it”.

I probably cant say that your friend is wrong and he is not allowed and I cant say your friend is a muslim by the title since he dont really practice his religion .. I just hope that he find the right path soon.

I forgot to write this.

What if you marry a non-Muslim and that person converts to Islam, let be it be that person is either much older or younger, whether married before, have children from before, or first marriage. Do we get Sawab (good points) in Islam for that? Is it true?

Excuse me for these words, many Omani's have gone to east and also Africa and brought girls who were formerly w[hor]es and married them and they converted to Islam. Is that also ok in Islam? its just confusing if your allowed to do these things or not.
Wow.

I'm loving this... it's really really enlightening. :yes:

Riv, Islam doesnt judge the person before being Muslim so if what you are saying is true and they got marry to whoOres when they were non muslims then it's okay ( Islamically ) to marry them after they convert to Islam and apply the Islamic rules.


i myself, don't want to marry a Non-Muslim girl coz i want my children to be raised by a muslim woman which helps me in educationg them the islamic teachings rather than confusing them between two religions.

Riv, Islam doesnt judge the person before being Muslim so if what you are saying is true and they got marry to whoOres when they were non muslims then it's okay ( Islamically ) to marry them after they convert to Islam and apply the Islamic rules.


::little off topic:: what if the person was Muslim and a wh0re and then just changed the lifestyle after marriage?

Excuse me for these words, many Omani's have gone to east and also Africa and brought girls who were formerly w[hor]es and married them and they converted to Islam. Is that also ok in Islam? its just confusing if your allowed to do these things or not.

الزَّانِي لَا يَنْكِحُ إِلَّا زَانِيَةً أَوْ مُشْرِكَةً وَالزَّانِيَةُ لَا يَنْكِحُهَا إِلَّا زَانٍ أَوْ مُشْرِكٌ وَحُرِّمَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِين

The adulterer marries not but an adulteress or a Mushrikah and the adulteress none marries her except an adulterer or a Muskrik (and that means that the man who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan or idolatress) or a prostitute, then surely he is either an adulterer, or a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater). And the woman who agrees to marry (have a sexual relation with) a Mushrik (polytheist, pagan or idolater) or an adulterer, then she is either a prostitute or a Mushrikah (female polytheist, pagan, or idolatress)) Such a thing is forbidden to the believers (of Islâmic Monotheism).َ

Thanks IceTea, that answers my question, :) , in a way, it didn't say anything about religion aspect!

brought girls who were formerly w[hor]es and married them .

And how did you know?

::little off topic:: what if the person was Muslim and a wh0re and then just changed the lifestyle after marriage?

You cant be a muslim and a wh[o]re.You are a sinner.

Can you please provide the source which you got the information from please ?

I hear ppl talk, some friends' friends' friend did those things I think, so word got to me.

::little off topic:: what if the person was Muslim and a wh0re and then just changed the lifestyle after marriage?

that is something different. in Islam if a man committed adultery with a woman ( both Muslims ) then they are banned to marry each other and they should repent to God and IceTea made this clear too.

I hear ppl talk, some friends' friends' friend did those things I think, so word got to me.

so you are basing your words on things you heard and think.

no comment

You cant be a muslim and a wh[o]re.You are a sinner.

Can you please provide the source which you got the information from please ?


How does that work ?

Does your muslim membership card automatically get cancelled when you sin ?

The amount of muslims who are apparently not muslims is so huge, that i am sure the actual number of muslim in the world must be shrinking every day.

"You cant be a muslim and a wh[o]re.You are a sinner."

So to sin is to not to be a Muslim.
We'll have to correct that I guess...
To sin is to not be a human.

^^that makes sense, ppl care to elaborate that?

How can a person not sin? It is part of human nature. People will lust, lie, cheat, etc....to say that a person who sins is not serving God and therefore is not religious is too much. It is said: He who is without sin cast the first stone. Meaning, everyone sins.

The "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" incident is one of the most well-known lessons of the Bible. A woman, who had been caught in the act of adultery was brought to Jesus Christ by the scribes and Pharisees as a test to see if the Messiah was a liberal in matters of the Law of God. In response to their deceitful query, He didn't condemn the woman, not because He was a liberal, not because He condoned her sin, but because the men who brought the woman to Him were Hypocrites. He was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her (or her accusers), but instead forgave her and told her to "sin no more." Otherwise, the day is coming when she, if she didn't thereafter repent, won't be stoned, but will be burned - along with the hypocrites who brought her to Him that day, if they didn't thereafter repent of their sin:

"Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and *****mongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15 KJV)

How does that work ?

Does your muslim membership card automatically get cancelled when you sin ?

The amount of muslims who are apparently not muslims is so huge, that i am sure the actual number of muslim in the world must be shrinking every day.
simple question and a simple answer:

If you adobt a religion and things against it and keep doing it then would that make you a member of that religion ! ofc not :)

He said wh[o]re... if a girl did the sin and then realised that its a sin and asked for forgivness ..etc then she is considered a muslim,but working as a wh[o]re doesnt really sound that she were asking for forgiveness.


another example to make it clear for you.

-You said " Am a muslim"
-Islam say Drinking alcohol is a sin.
-you Drink

logic:You do acts against your religion while you know its a sin and keep doing it.!!... how can you be a Muslim -_-

if you go to any bar in Malta's main entertainment hub you'll see many muslims (who were born muslims) drinking. they never drank back home, because it's illegal, then they come here and get drunk on half a pint of shandy (that's beer mixed with lemonade)

Esp. you see this with the Saudis who drive to places like Dubai or Baharain to get away from everything and then let loose in every which way before going back to that prison.

simple question and a simple answer:

If you adobt a religion and things against it and keep doing it then would that make you a member of that religion ! ofc not :)

He said wh[o]re... if a girl did the sin and then realised that its a sin and asked for forgivness ..etc then she is considered a muslim,but working as a wh[o]re doesnt really sound that she were asking for forgiveness.


another example to make it clear for you.

-You said " Am a muslim"
-Islam say Drinking alcohol is a sin.
-you Drink

logic:You do acts against your religion while you know its a sin and keep doing it.!!... how can you be a Muslim -_-What ... So is your contention that if you're not a good muslim ... you're not a muslim?

That's whack as can be ... pure whack ...quack

Esp. you see this with the Saudis who drive to places like Dubai or Baharain to get away from everything and then let loose in every which way before going back to that prison.
the majority of people in our prisons are muslims. they come here, drink when their bodies are obviously not used to alcohol, get in fights, knife each other (try go to casualty on a weekend here and the waiting list in emergency is like seven hours long...there's always someone or three who's been cut by his 'friend') and cost the country a bomb to keep in prison.

No need to go as far as Malta.

Just visit any of the hotels in Muscat - the Al Falaj, Intercontinental, etc, etc. and you will find the majority of patrons are Omani.

so are we considering ppl who sin and keep doing it not to be of that religion?
e.g. in Islam, listening to songs is a sin, we do it everyday, so we're not Muslims? same with TV, or even internet, can be said. Am I right in this logical point?

To get my answers straight about marriage I think we have to stress on these points.

No need to go as far as Malta.

Just visit any of the hotels in Muscat - the Al Falaj, Intercontinental, etc, etc. and you will find the majority of patrons are Omani.

true, sadly.

so are we considering ppl who sin and keep doing it not to be of that religion?
e.g. in Islam, listening to songs is a sin, we do it everyday, so we're not Muslims? same with TV, or even internet, can be said. Am I right in this logical point?

To get my answers straight about marriage I think we have to stress on these points.
why is listening to music a sin in Islam? you sing everyday at the mosque no?

No need to go as far as Malta.

Just visit any of the hotels in Muscat - the Al Falaj, Intercontinental, etc, etc. and you will find the majority of patrons are Omani.

Whats wrong with hotels?

why is listening to music a sin in Islam? you sing everyday at the mosque no?

no we don't sing in the mosque

no we don't sing in the mosque
dunno sorry for my ignorance, i saw some prayers on satellite tv and the guy on the ''pulpit'' (the imam? ) was chanting..maybe that's not considered as singing?

Nothing wrong with hotels !

yes Minerva, that's Tilawa, its not singing at all, its reciting Quran and sharing wise words.

What ... So is your contention that if you're not a good muslim ... you're not a muslim?

That's whack as can be ... pure whack ...quack

My friend there is nothing called good muslim or a bad muslim.Its you are a muslim or not !

If you as a muslim did a sin then realised your mistake and asked for a forgivness then thats called a Muslim with a mistake and asking for forgivness but you say you are a muslim and getting drunk every day or keep on doing acts which are against islam rules,,, I dont call that a muslim.

In general,if you do acts which considered against your religion believes and you are aware of it and keep doing it,then you wont be apart of that religion any more.


Riv
Listening to Music is not a sin.. but watching half naked girls on tv or listening to lyrics which contain curses ,, then that considered not all right..
BTW you cant call "listening" to music is a sin,there is nothing in quran against Music.. but we consider it as a sin because of the lyrics or the video which contain nudidity.

minerva
In Islam its a sin to drink,and I think you showed an example why its considered as sin.I dont think you saw a very good example of a muslim and i'm sorry for that.A person born with Muslim parents or grand parents doesnt mean that this person is a Muslim.

If you read what I just read,you will understand that an X person whom act against a religion then he is not considred a part of that religion untill he stop his acts and ask for forgivness... I think this rule works on all religion.


I apologize for the off-topic.Lets get back to the topic and I still wish my questions to be answered regarding this topic.

NOTE:You can PM me or Open another topic or chat with me on MSN if you wanna argue more about the other points which we pointed up there.

Thread opened for off topics, EvilFire plz look into it.

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1003636#post1003636

why are you not a muslim if you sin, is God not forgiving? None among us is sinless or perfect, and he who claims to be is a fool. Count on the forgiveness of God, because God is compassionate and merciful, just because you sin, does not mean that you are not a follower of a religion. And dont call someone a good muslim or a bad muslim, that is not for you to say, but judgement is reserved for God alone. Judge not, lest ye be judged.