I was going through an article on Trinity.
This the verbatim quote word for word.
What is the comment who believes in trinity? .
No one should take any offence and please take it as academic discussion.

Early Christians rejected Trinity:

We, Muslims are not the only ones who believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is mortal and not a god so that means we deny the trinity.
The Jews also reject the trinity, in addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus (peace be upon him) as a prophet of God and against the trinity.
Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, the Jehovah's witnesses, and even the majority of today's Anglican Bishops do not worship Jesus (peace be upon him) as one in three, as what been report by the "Daily News" 25/6/84 under the heading "Shock survey of Anglican Bishops."
Moreover, the 'Socinianism', the 17th-century Christian also rejects such traditional doctrines as the Trinity and original sin, the founder is Socinus, and his Latinized name of Lelio Francesco Maria Sozzini (1525-1562), the Italian Protestant theologian.
Johannes Greber (1874) a former of Catholic priest in his book 'The Communication with the Spirit World of God' in page 371 was written, "As you see, the doctrine of a triune Godhead is not only contrary to common sense, but is entirely unsupported by the Scriptures". So another priest who was deny the trinity.
A theologians, Edouard Schillebeeckx of the Netherlands in 1979 was writings some article that rejects the doctrine of the Trinity. This caused concern to the Vatican.

The word 'Trinity' doesn't exist in the Bible, is it true?

The word 'Trinity' doesn't exist in the Bible, is it true?

Yes , You are correct.

Who Invented the Trinity?

By Aisha Brown

The three monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as Tawhid in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the "Shema" or the Jewish creed of faith:

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus when he said:

"...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29)

Muhammad (PBUH) came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message again:

"And your God is One God: There is no God but He, ..." (The Qur'an 2:163)

Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and without the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - in one divine being.

If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:

"...we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity... for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one... they are not three gods, but one God... the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal... he therefore that will be save must thus think of the Trinity..." (excerpts from the Athanasian Creed)

Let's put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father + one person, God the Son + one person, God the Holy Ghost = one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?

It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.

How did such a confusing doctrine get started?

Trinity in the Bible

References in the Bible to a Trinity of divine beings are vague, at best.
In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to all nations. While the "Great Commission" does make mention of the three persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase "...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" is quite clearly an addition to Biblical text - that is, not the actual words of Jesus - as can be seen by two factors:

1. Baptism in the early Church, as discussed by Paul in his letters, was done only in the name of Jesus; and

2. The "Great Commission" found in the first gospel written, that of Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and/or Holy Ghost - see Mark 16:15.
The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of I John 5:7, Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase "...there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" is definitely a "later addition" to Biblical test, and it is not found in any of today's versions of the Bible.
It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin.

The Doctrine Takes Shape

While Paul of Tarsus, the man who could rightfully be considered the true founder of Christianity, did formulate many of its doctrines, that of the Trinity was not among them. He did, however, lay the groundwork for such when he put forth the idea of Jesus being a "divine Son." After all, a Son does need a Father, and what about a vehicle for God's revelations to man? In essence, Paul named the principal players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter together.

Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father.

A Formal Doctrine is Drawn Up

When controversy over the matter of the Trinity blew up in 318 between two church men from Alexandria - Arius, the deacon, and Alexander, his bishop - Emperor Constantine stepped into the fray.

Although Christian dogma was a complete mystery to him, he did realize that a unified church was necessary for a strong kingdom. When negotiation failed to settle the dispute, Constantine called for the first ecumenical council in Church history in order to settle the matter once and for all.

Six weeks after the 300 bishops first gathered at Nicea in 325, the doctrine of the Trinity was hammered out. The God of the Christians was now seen as having three essences, or natures, in the form of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Church Puts Its Foot Down

The matter was far from settled, however, despite high hopes for such on the part of Constantine. Arius and the new bishop of Alexandria, a man named Athanasius, began arguing over the matter even as the Nicene Creed was being signed; "Arianism" became a catch-word from that time onward for anyone who did not hold to the doctrine of the Trinity.

It wasn't until 451, at the Council of Chalcedon that, with the approval of the Pope, the Nicene/Constantinople Creed was set as authoritative. Debate on the matter was no longer tolerated; to speak out against the Trinity was now considered blasphemy, and such earned stiff sentences that ranged from mutilation to death. Christians now turned on Christians, maiming and slaughtering thousands because of a difference of opinion.

Debate Continues

Brutal punishments and even death did not stop the controversy over the doctrine of the Trinity, however, and the said controversy continues even today.
The majority of Christians, when asked to explain this fundamental doctrine of their faith, can offer nothing more than "I believe it because I was told to do so." It is explained away as "mystery" - yet the Bible says in I Corinthians 14:33 that

"... God is not the author of confusion... "

The Unitarian denomination of Christianity has kept alive the teachings of Arius in saying that God is one; they do not believe in the Trinity. As a result, mainstream Christians abhor them, and the National Council of Churches has refused their admittance. In Unitarianism, the hope is kept alive that Christians will someday return to the preachings of Jesus:

"...Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve." (Luke 4:8)

Islam and the Matter of the Trinity

While Christianity may have a problem defining the essence of God, such is not the case in Islam.

The word ‘trinity’ is not there in the Bible, but it is there is the Qur’an.

"They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God." (Qur'an 5:73)

It is worth noting that the Arabic language Bible uses the name "Allah" as the name of God.

Suzanne Haneef, in her book WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT ISLAM AND MUSLIMS (Library of Islam, 1985), puts the matter quite succinctly when she says, "But God is not like a pie or an apple which can be divided into three thirds which form one whole; if God is three persons or possesses three parts, He is assuredly not the Single, Unique, Indivisible Being which God is and which Christianity professes to believe in." (pp. 183-184)

Looking at it from another angle, the Trinity designates God as being three separate entities - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If God is the Father and also the Son, He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is not exactly logical.

Christianity claims to be a monotheistic religion. Monotheism, however, has as its fundamental belief that God is One; the Christian doctrine of the Trinity - God being Three-in-One - is seen by Islam as a form of polytheism. Christians don't revere just One God, they revere three.

This is a charge not taken lightly by Christians, however. They, in turn, accuse the Muslims of not even knowing what the Trinity is, pointing out that the Qur'an sets it up as Allah the Father, Jesus the Son, and Mary his mother. While veneration of Mary has been a figment of the Catholic Church since 431 when she was given the title "Mother of God" by the Council of Ephesus, a closer examination of the verse in the Qur'an most often cited by Christians in support of their accusation, shows that the designation of Mary by the Qur'an as a "member" of the Trinity, is simply not true.
While the Qur'an does condemn both trinitarianism

“God accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will God turn in mercy: For God is full of knowledge and wisdom. (the Qur'an 4:17)

and the worship of Jesus and his mother Mary

“And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (the Qur'an 5:116),

nowhere does it identify the actual three components of the Christian Trinity. The position of the Qur'an is that WHO or WHAT comprises this doctrine is not important; what is important is that the very notion of a Trinity is an affront against the concept of One God.

In conclusion, we see that the doctrine of the Trinity is a concept conceived entirely by man; there is no sanction whatsoever from God to be found regarding the matter simply because the whole idea of a Trinity of divine beings has no place in monotheism. In the Qur'an, God's Final Revelations to mankind, we find His stand quite clearly stated in a number of eloquent passages:

"...your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner."
(Qur'an 18:110)

"...take not, with God, another object of worship, lest you should be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected."
(Qur'an 17:39)

Because, as God tells us over and over again in a Message that is echoed throughout All His Revealed Scriptures:

"...I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore, serve Me (and no other)..."
(Qur'an 21:92)

"'I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.'" Isaiah 43:11

"Is it not I, Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; there is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21


"Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:22

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Question to Trinitarian Christians
Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity?
At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers?
Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of faith?

really beautifully.IceTea

Thanks HairlyMan.

well explained IceTea

thanks Shamsery for the thread

wonder what Mr Jeff has to say about it?

so early Christians were actually Muslims in a sense.

Or one can say early Muslims were Christians in a sense. This forum is getting very ugly.

mariana, there were no Christians at Jesus time, it was only established many years after Jesus death. At Prophet Mohammed pbuh time there were Chrsitinas who followed the truth stated in the holy Quran.

And when they (who call themselves Christians) listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognized. They say: "Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.

"And why should we not believe in Allâh and in that which has come to us of the truth (Islâmic Monotheism)? And we wish that our Lord will admit us (in Paradise on the Day of Resurrection) along with the righteous people (Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Companions (may Allah be pleased with them))"

So because of what they said, Allâh rewarded them Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), they will abide therein forever. Such is the reward of Al-Muhsinûn (the good-doers).

But those who disbelieved and reject the truth will be in Hell fire.

[5:86] But those who disbelieved and belied Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they shall be the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire.

so early Christians were actually Muslims in a sense.

Question is not clear. Sorry , please do not misunderstand me.

Funny how this thread has IcedTea responding, as if an expert in the Trinity. :color: But to get the view about the Trinity, one has to go to the source, and not at someone who is from the outside looking in: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm would be a good place to start about the Trinity. Early Christians were Muslims? I think not.

^My thoughts exactly.
If you want to know about Christiainity, you need to refer to a proper Christian source. For a start, you can head to the website MP provided and you can also try biblegateway.com and you get to read the Bible completely along with commentaries as well.

Geez! I've written this post twice before and keep erasing it somehow! :p

Okay, again.

1. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the teaching that makes it up is there. That Jesus is the eternal Son who was always with God and was God is there. He is one with the Father, but is also a distinct person. The Holy Spirit as someone distinct who is God's own spirit but Who dwells within the Christian and guides him is there.

And it comes as much from John who was probably Jesus' closest friend among the Apostles as from Paul.

The Trinity is just a way to gather these truths in one formulation, that's all.

2. Did Christians in the early days understand the Bible that way? Yes.

Romans in the earliest days of the Church refer to Christians worshipping "their God, Christus." One of the very earliest great Church Fathers, St. Ignatius of Antioch, who lived in the first century and himself knew the Apostles calls Jesus "my God" as a matter of course.

3. The Emperor Constantine didn't call the Council of Nicaea as a way of enforcing something he believed. He wasn't even a Christian himself at the time and he had no opinion on the question.

He was simply concerned that there be unity in the Church and not discord. So he gathered the bishops together and told them to come to a conclusion on the matter of Christ's relationship to God, the Father. He didn't participate in the debates himself.

The overwhelming majority of the bishops said that Christ was "true God from true God, eternally begotten of the Father before Time began". They condemned the opposite doctrine as an innovation.

But it's very important to understand: NO ONE WAS ARGUING THAT JESUS WAS JUST A MERE MAN, A MERE PROPHET, as Muslims do. That wasn't the dispute.

Arius, the heretic, taught not that Christ was a man. He believed that Christ was God, but in a slightly lesser sense than the Father. But he believed that since the Son has his source in the Father, He had to be different in his essence in some way. Divine, yes. But not totally equal with the Father.

So the two sides were arguing over two formulas. The Catholics said Christ was "homoousios" or "of the same substance" with the Father. The Arians said He was "homoiousios" or "of similar substance to the Father.

That's what the argument was about. Nothing to do with Jesus being just a man.

4. Christ said He would give us the Holy Spirit who would guide us into all Truth. Now I know some Muslims interpret that as meaning Mohammed and I won't get into that now. We certainly don't and you can't read all the references in Scripture to the Holy Spirit as meaning Mohammed.

In any case, our doctrine is that we, Christ's Church founded on a rock which will never fail, have a deeper and deeper understanding of the Truth as we go along, guided by the Spirit. Just as a person can grow and gain a deeper understanding of the Truths he knows. So, our formulations of Truth develop over time and are clarified in response to questions and objections and challenges.

I think that's enough for now. I had meant to respond to this when Mr. Shamsery first posted it, but it got away from me! :p

Early Christians muslims? Err,,I think Christianity came first..so yeah..