woman judges (http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=Local_News&subsection=Qatar+News&month=January2008&file=Local_News2008010822652.xml)?

A woman is emotionally and physiologically not geared to fit in the role of a judge since the job demands a balanced disposition, said Waleed Abu Nida, a lawyer.

And could this be part of why this report is the way it is?

The Global Gender Gap Report 2007 (http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Gender%20Gap/Countries2007/index.htm)

Again ... why can't women do these jobs?

Ah please! don't get me started! I hate you for opening this thread!

Ah please! don't get me started! I hate you for opening this thread!
Ditto.

Get your war paint out obli.

with all my respect to women which are our mothers, sisters, daughters, wives and aunties, God created these valuable jewels to fulfil certain duties in life, the same applies to men, some certain jobs a woman can do the man can't and vice versa.

I agree with that lawyer who said that a woman is not fit to be a judge as women usually created with more emotions and sensations than men, and in such situations peoples lives and future depends upon the judge's verdict.

and we have an Arabic saying: let the baker bakes the bread even though he eats half of it.

If a woman can be voted president in at least two Muslim-majority countries, then I think a well qualified lawyer can be a judge regardless of gender.

Women are physiologically not geared to be in a judge's role since their performance can be affected during menstrual cycle, pregnancy and delivery," argued Al Suwaidi.


:hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

I'm just trying to picture a lady judge being asked to give a verdict during delivery. Are male judges asked for rulings during conception?

:hmm:

with all my respect to women which are our mothers, sisters, daughters, wives and aunties, God created these valuable jewels to fulfil certain duties in life, the same applies to men, some certain jobs a woman can do the man can't and vice versa.

I agree with that lawyer who said that a woman is not fit to be a judge as women usually created with more emotions and sensations than men, and in such situations peoples lives and future depends upon the judge's verdict.

and we have an Arabic saying: let the baker bakes the bread even though he eats half of it.
Who exactly decided that women have "more emotions and sensations" than men? And what does that exactly mean? That they can't be fair? That they can't be rational? Even with years and years of training for the job?

pah!

What about the jury? Are they all men too?

As a veteran of the US military I take offense to the statement that women cannot do some of the things men can do. I served many years and was honorably discharged...went to the field like men, shot a rifle like a man, threw grenades like a man, worked my job just as well as any man and am a mother to boot. Cannot generalize people....too many of us out there who are unique and wonderful women able to take on the world and do just as good a job as any man.

Just as why a man can't raise children like a woman no matter what, woman can't be judges in certain kind of cases.

BTW Jack, can you be a good beautician?

Just as why a man can't raise children like a woman no matter what, woman can't be judges in certain kind of cases.

BTW Jack, can you be a good beautician?Don't see why not with proper training.

Being around women has never bothered me. I rather enjoy their company ... how about you?

woman can't be judges in certain kind of cases.

What cases?


BTW Jack, can you be a good beautician?

There are plenty of men who are good beauticians...........as there are plenty of men who are world class hairdressers (to women).........and chefs........and stylists.......

I love that whole 'menstrual cycle' excuse.........I guess it means that all women over (say) 45 would make great judges?

woman can't be judges in certain kind of cases.

What cases?


BTW Jack, can you be a good beautician?

There are plenty of men who are good beauticians...........as there are plenty of men who are world class hairdressers (to women).........and chefs........and stylists.......

I love that whole 'menstrual cycle' excuse.........I guess it means that all women over (say) 45 would make great judges?
ROFL

great point.

It usually takes one that long to get there anyways!

Who exactly decided that women have "more emotions and sensations" than men? And what does that exactly mean? That they can't be fair? That they can't be rational? Even with years and years of training for the job?

pah!

What about the jury? Are they all men too?


Thalia(Fengy),

I gave my opinion based on islamic rulings, and I suppose only muslims can understand it.

as for your question who decide that women have more emotions and sensations the answer is GOD himself has decided that already.

for my follow muslims I like to quote this authentic Hadith :

“No people will ever prosper who appoint a woman in charge of them.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4163.

this applies in Islam women are not qualified to be rulers of states, prime ministers, judges or any position in public leadership.

have you ever wondered why God sent only Male Prophets not females?

the fact will always remain MEN ALWAYS RULE.

I know Thalia this will upset you but this is from Islamic prospective,

Ps Thalia plse don't take it out on your poor muslim husband .*smile*

Ps Thalia plse don't take it out on your poor muslim husband .*smile*

Oops. Too late.

ROFLMAO.

^^sorry Thalia to hear this, may be God will reward you with a better muslim husband!!

^^sorry Thalia to hear this, may be God will reward you with a better muslim husband!!
Dear clouds,
I must regretfully decline.

Since I hear there is a shortage of muslim men, I would graciously step back from your proposition and leave all them good muslim men for the muslim women of the world. See it as my act of kindness towards men who would otherwise need to burden their poor selves marrying second wives to keep up with the demand.

Regards,
Thalia.

I'm afraid I think the truth is somewhere in between.

No doubt that some women and some men can fulfill most roles that the others have usually filled.

But there is also no doubt that women and men are extremely different and generally suited to different things.

We have a society that puts a premium on choice and personal fulfillment. And part of this is minimizing sex differences and denying any general vocation to be good Men and good Women, not just good People.

Leaving room for exceptions seems like a good idea to me. But constant propagadizing about how men and women are just suited to all the same roles and society should be ordered to be indifferent to that seems bad.

And it results in foolishness such as insisting that women be firemen when they can't pass the same physical tests that men do (so the requirements are lowered or different requirements are instituted for women and for men).

I don't know how that should all work out. It's of course easy to make fun of folks who reduce it to "Women can't be judges because they have periods." But beneath the idiocy, there is some wisdom about sex differences which infuriates modern Westerners.

I'm afraid I think the truth is somewhere in between.

Isn't it always with you? :p

One day, that fence is going to crack under you.

there is some wisdom about sex differences which infuriates modern Westerners.

Now that I agree with entirely. But like you said, it's wise to leave room for exceptions.

^^LOL Thalia, I don't like to be personal but did your husband marry a second muslim wife?

Muslim men....one wife is never enough *smile*

look at the bright side it's a lot better than committing adultery and go to hell!!!

^^LOL Thalia, I don't like to be personal but did your husband marry a second muslim wife?

Muslim men....one wife is never enough *smile*

look at the bright side it's a lot better than committing adultery and go to hell!!!
If he did, he'd be wearing white.
The white shroud.

:)

OT:
Keep smiling clouds. Keep smiling. Just don't forget that accroding to islam, polygamy wasn't created for your sexual gratification. You ain't cleared them flames yet. But keep smiling. ;)

BTT

Isn't it always with you? :p

One day, that fence is going to crack under you.

No, it isn't always that way with me. For example, I think Catholicism is 100% true! And I am a 100% Thalia fan! :p

I think it's 100% phony baloney that W knocked down the World Trade Center or that we didn't land on the moon.

There are lots of things that are black-and-white.

But some things are not as simple as they are taken to be. Why should one be simple-minded just to avoid being mistaken for not taking a position?

Should you spank kids? Or should you reason with them? Make sure to get it right now. Don't be thoughtful! No fence sitting. ;)

^^^LOL....Thalia, sorry if I upset you I was just kidding with you..

I can't imagine any muslim man marrying to a non muslim woman will ever attempt to think to have a second wife!!!

or as you rightly said he will end up wearing his white shroud or as we call it Kafan.

Ditto.

Get your war paint out obli.

Everything's ready ;), even though I see you kicking butts alone :p

Ah well...the most honest proof that we're up to it is how no man in here could give Fengy a hard time :p

I'm sure Obli would make a fine ruler of a country.

Hey, I'm sure she'd do a better job than the humble Mr. Ahmednidididijab.

Meh...I think that if a woman can do something as physilogically and psychologically hard as delivering a baby she can do pretty much anything.

And I think it's time that many Muslims awake with the many others who did...It's time we teach that a job is for the one who's better at that job. Regardless of the gender.

my female bosses were always 100% better than some male ones.

first of all jack, you took what the lawyer said as a definite truth of all muslims and this is wrong. he's not an Islamic scholar to take his words and am sorry to disagree with many of the members who tried justify the lawyer statement basing on Islamic perspective.

Islam didn't say that woman can't be a judge, in contrary we had many Muslims judges in the era of our prophet (p.b.u.h) and his companions.
our prophet said: take your religion matters from el7umayra2: he means his wife Aisha and she used to be a judge for many muslims who came to ask her and take her advice.

in the time of sayyidn Umar ibn elkhatab, he entrusted a woman ( alshifaa2) as a judge in elmadeenah.

in the holy Qur'an there is a mention of saba queen ( Balqees) and God didn't critisize her being a queen, in contrary as a wise woman


some members mentioned the Hadeeth: “No people will ever prosper who appoint a woman in charge of them.”

and when we go back and dig deep in this hadith we'll see that the prophet ( p.b.u.h) said this after Kisra the king of Faris teared the letter our prophet sent him and the prophet asked God to teare him out as he teared the letter. later his son killed him and killed his brothers and Faris ended up ruled by Kisra's daughter and then our prophet ( p.b.u.h ) said this hadith. so it might be just for that incident and doesn't mean all women in general.

however, i agree with most of the members who said that everything and everyone serves a purpose and some jobs women can't do as some others men can't

Dear clouds,
I must regretfully decline.

Since I hear there is a shortage of Muslim men, I would graciously step back from your proposition and leave all them good Muslim men for the Muslim women of the world. See it as my act of kindness towards men who would otherwise need to burden their poor selves marrying second wives to keep up with the demand.

Regards,
Thalia.


O boy O boy, sorry for going off-topic.

You can’t just marry a second wife. There are set of reasons and the men whom just marry with no reason then they are totalling ignorant of Islamic rules regarding marrying a second wife.

For Example: if your wife cant get pregnant and the man wish to have a child and he was healthy then he can marry another one.BTW the man must inform his wife and give her the choice to stay with him or she can ask for divorce. The Man have to be fair and equal in all aspect if he having another wife... sexually/financially/emotionally. If he can’t achieve that then he is not allowed to marry another wife.

There are many things to say.

My apology again, I just couldn’t hold myself and wished to enlighten you and others.

How about we allow women to rule, but refer to the user manual and beat her appropriately ?

User Manuals ?

You mean woman to rule the country?? :S