What do you think about this verse from Holly Bible?
Is this genuine, authenticated and trustworthy?
What the Greek version says about this.
Dose Greek version contradicts with the translation?
What is in Hebrew?
Mother tongue of Jesus (Pbuh) was Hebrew and he spoke with his twelve disciples in Hebrew.
Am I wrong?
The verse bellows for your cross check:

In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.”[/I] (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).[/I]


18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Deuteronomy, King James Version Bible 1611.

Below is the verbatim quote.

18:18: I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
18:19: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. Deuteronomy, from The holy Bible, King James version Bible,

Let us look other,

Few changes are there.

[b]18:18. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their kinsmen, and will put my words into his mouth; he shall tell them all that I command him.
18:19. If any man will not listen to my words which he speaks in my name, I myself will make him answer for it. Deuteronomy . New American Bible


From Good News Bible and with little change

Foot Note:
18:18. Will send them a prophet like you from among their own people ; I will tell him what to say, and he * will tell the people everything I command.
18:19. He will speak in my name and I** will punish anyone who refuses to obey him

Foot Note: * prophet ….him…he, or prophet…them…they.

** He will speak…and I; or When a prophet speaks in my name,I18.19: Acts 3:23.
(Verbatim quote from foot notes with dots. )
Now let us see Acts 3:23. Anyone who does not obey that prophet shall be separated from God’s people and destroyed.
Let us look back to context Acts 3:22.
For Moses said, “The Lord your God will send you a prophet , just as he sent me,* and he will be one of your own people.
Foot Note: * just as he sent me: or like me. (Verbatim quote).

Dear Jeff,
We the descendent of Adam and then Abraham, having bondage of international brotherhood. We love each other, we respect each other, we wish to stay with truth and truth is divine.
We are moving forward to graveyard, what is the problem to continue discussion in a sophisticated manner?
Wish all the best to our fellow members of the board.
(Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the foolish (i.e. don't punish them).
(7:199)

All passages mean the exact same thing.

What makes you think they are different?

The english language is a complex language with a huge vocabulary.. There must be another 20 ways to write those passages and keep nthe same meaning.

I have no problem discussing the Holy Bible.

I think this verse is genuine, of course.

Muslims usually interpret this verse as indicating the Prophet

a. Will be "like Moses" personally.

b. Will be from a kindred people, but not from the Hebrews.

But I think that's a misunderstanding of the language. I think "a prophet like you" just means, "you are a prophet and there will be another one".

And I think "from your kindred (brethren)" means "from among your brothers, among your people", i.e, exactly FROM the Hebrews, not from another related tribe.

So, I think the Muslim interpretation is wrong and the Jewish and Christian interpretation is right.

Deuteronomy is originally in Hebrew, not Greek. It's from the Old Testament, the Jewish part of the Bible. Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew. But He knew how to read Hebrew and to use it, as Catholics not long ago could read and use Latin.

What Catholics think about Old Testament?
Was the whole Old Testament (revelation ) came to Moses?
What Catholic Church thinks?

All passages mean the exact same thing.

What makes you think they are different?

The english language is a complex language with a huge vocabulary.. There must be another 20 ways to write those passages and keep the same meaning.

Thank you , You agree the meaning is same. Can you draw a summary for us , I am little week.

Catholics believe the whole Bible including the Old Testament came from God.

The many different parts of it were written by many different authors, only some at the beginning perhaps by Moses.

Thank you , You agree the meaning is same. Can you draw a summary for us , I am little week.
A summary of what?

You have the same passage explained 4 ways above, and you want more?

Am not sure I understand what you're on about.

Was the whole Old Testament (revelation ) came to Moses?
The old testament is all the writings from the time of Prophet Moses till Prophet zakhariya (zakariya in the Quraan) peace be upon them all. The Torah, is what the first five books in the Old Testament are called.
The Old Testament is the Testament that God gave to Moses, while the New Testament is what God gave to people through Jesus Christ.

Muslims and Christians argue about this verse referring to Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ, peace be upon them.
but come to think of it, how many prophets were there after Moses, after this verse was revealed to moses, according to Islam and Christianity? We both agree that they're many.
Therefore, in my very humble opinion, this verse is not talking about a specific prophet. It is describing how prophets are i.e. it is talking about all the prophets after Moses, about Jesus Christ AND about Prophet Mohammed

Thank you Braiki.

I hope that satisfies you Shamsery.

When do you complete your dawaa course ?

Braiki always has an individual and thought-provoking angle on things. Thanks, Braiki!

Am I wrong?What you are is desparate. Deperate to find anything to validate your beliefs.

Oh and ya ... you're weak also by your own words.

I conclude this by your attempt to use something that you yourself deem as corrupt verses of an ancient text prove a point.

So yes you are wrong, desparate and weak ... :bored:

Hey that's a trinity shams ... will you next be using the trinity to validate your beliefs?

I dunno, jack. Muslims are taught that their religion is vindicated in the Bible and that the Bible did not survive in pure form as the Quran did. It's kinda tough on them if they can't explore those issues.

Shamsery has to struggle a bit with English compared with a lot of Sabla members. And he gets a lot of flak for what some people see as his failures.

But he keeps right on plugging away and usually with politeness and good humor. I admire him.

I think all of you are wrong. Too many assumptions.

To assume that the text is valid, is barely acceptable.
To assume that the text is valid, and to assume a definition of the person is too much thin wire.

The old testament is all the writings from the time of Prophet Moses till Prophet zakhariya (zakariya in the Quraan) peace be upon them all.

You mean to from Moses to zakhariya (Pbuh) whole Old Testament originated.
Am I correct?

2nd next to zakhariya (pbuh) >Jesus (pbuh) >and New Testament.
Is that OK?

Please keep Qur’an and New Testament aside, we are talking on Old Testament.

The Torah, is what the first five books in the Old Testament are called.
The Old Testament is the Testament that God gave to Moses,

What are those five?
And throw which media God gave it Moses.
Ignorance is darkness and be kind to help the ignorant Shamsery.

There are many books in the Old Testament.

The first five are called the Pentateuch by Christians and the Torah ("Law") by Jews. They are: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

Next come the Historical Books. They narrate the history of Israel.

Then come the Wisdom Books. Proverbs, Psalms, things that teach about life and how to live a wise and good life. Job is included here.

The come the Prophets. Divided into Major Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel) and the Minor Prophets.

God gave these books through many, many different people, some known, some unknown. Only the first five are called The Books of Moses. But whether they were all written by Moses or only parts, is a matter of disagreement.

Shamsery is completing his dawaa 101 course....

Hence the sudden spate of related topics... all trying to discredit Christianity and propagate Islam.


If you think I have no right to know Christianity, Knowing Bible, Christianity, Trinity, function of Church, its impact on the society, it is prohibited for me, I am ready to put my hands up.
No gentleman will prefer to get in out of bounds area?

Last question to you , Mr Wuldjab or Mr Sanwin 25, what ever you are, could you find out a single deceitful post of mine against any religion or person?

‘Woe to the one who talks to make the people laugh and tells lies, woe to him, woe to him.’” Said prophet Muhammad Pbuh

Shamsery is completing his dawaa 101 course....


He is a miserable representative of Islam and quite honestly would actually push people away from Islam with his misguided efforts.

Oh, Savior of Muslim,
Muslim should embrace their great great ambassador with flower buckets.
One point unfortunately true, they (follower of Islam) could not evaluate you till.
Never Mind, it happens, keep trying.

i.e. it is talking about all the prophets after Moses

I don't think it's talking about all the prophets because it says "I will raise up for them a prophet" not "I will raise up for them prophets".

I don't think it's talking about all the prophets because it says "I will raise up for them a prophet" not "I will raise up for them prophets".

I THINK I agree with you in the end.

But it's still an interesting idea. I don't think the singular usage necessarily means there will be only one. Because the prophecy could be fulfilled more than once.

But the feeling I get from the Prophecy is that it is talking about some supremely great figure. But maybe I'm only reading backwards from my preconceptions.

Braiki's idea is thought-provoking...

Divided i[/B]into Major Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel) and the Minor Prophets.



Dear Jeff,

Different people and different persons enjoy different privilege and that is not everlasting.

Comment not referring to you.

Yes I am happy for discussing with a knowledgeable personality and having the opportunity to learn.

We know that gospel (note , not book) came to David that we call “Jabbur” . Can you inform me which are chapters included in Old Testament?
Honestly, I don’t know.
I am aware of those five you mentioned.
I am talking about David only.

The Old Testament is divided into BOOKS.

Remember, the Bible is not a series of revelations to one man. The Bible is a whole LIBRARY of writings.

So far as I know, Muslims recogize the inspiration of three previous writings: Injil (Gospel), Zabur (Psalms), Tawrat (Torah). These are usually described among Muslims as being by Jesus, David, and Moses.

It is traditional to refer to the Torah as being by Moses and the Psalms by David. But there is no necessity to believe this and today few people do, even among very religious Christians. Some psalms claim authorship by David, but many others do not. And nothing in the Torah says it was written by Moses.

Christians do not believe that Jesus wrote a Gospel. Outside Islam, there is no historical reference to such a thing. There are Four Gospels in the New Testament.

I don't think it will help much for me to list all the books of the Old Testament here...they are very many and a list won't help you much...it's just names.

But are you wondering about the canon, the recogized books? Are you wanting to discuss if we all recognize the same books?

So far as I know, Muslims recogize the inspiration of three previous writings: Injil (Gospel), Zabur (Psalms), Tawrat (Torah). These are usually described among Muslims as being by Jesus, David, and Moses.


You are very correct but the chronology differ but the fact remain same.
Do you mean Zabur (Psalms) came to David?
Any body has correct Idea?
Thank you.

Yes Zabur came to Dawood.

I wasn't listing them chronologically, just randomly! :p

The Psalms are commonly thought of as being by David. They are often called "the Psalms of David". And traditionally, they were thought of as by David.

But only a few of them actually SAY they are by David. And some of them appear to be from much later.

For example:

1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion...
3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!"

4 How can we sing the songs of the LORD
while in a foreign land?

Psalm 137.

This looks like it's from the time of the Exile, when the Babylonians carried the Jews away from the Promised land into Captivity. That's many, many years after David. And this Psalm doesn't say it's by David.

Many others say, "A Psalm of David".

So, it's a complicated issue. Most Christians believe that only a few Psalms are actually wholly by David himself.

But are you wondering about the canon, the recogized books? Are you wanting to discuss if we all recognize the same books?

Dear Friend Jeff,
We can discuss Bible ,Gita or anything you like for knowledge shake.
Not to discredited with mollified intention.
For knowledge , that’s fine.
Million of human being is practicing, respecting their scripture and it is Holy to them.
If we cannot love creation of creator, how you can love Him, I don’t understand.
Until any one ask my view about scripture, I usually remain silent.
Hardly I use some verses or quotation to express my thought on religion.
I don’t feel easy in this religion forum, it is honestly those knowledge in theologies , I am not.
I am easier to politics sabla.
Unfortunately I stepped to the bush that I made myself and eventuality I might have to write pages and pages with evidence, diagrams, statistics etc etc.
Hope you understand wise enemy is better than a foolish friend.

Well, I don't consider you either a wise enemy or a foolish friend. Just a nice friend and a good conversation partner. :)

I think your discussions are fine, I wouldn't worry. I am behind you and I think you should continue whenever you like. You have my support.

Yes Zabur came to Dawood.


Which part of Old Testament?

Isn't the OT is the Torah?

No. The Torah is only the first five books of the Old Testament. The Psalms are a different book.

So wait...
I need evidence from the Bible to prove that the Bible predicted the prophet PBUH.
But then when faced with a verse in the Bible implying Jesus is just God in another person, I will reject and say, 'NO NO...Bible is CORRUPTED'.

Is that some kinda puzzle?
The prophet PBUH WAS predicted in the Bible as per Qura'n. From what my holy book says, the Bible was in human hands and is now not the true revelation that it was. So WHY would you go to it and say, 'HEY, this book ain't so bad after all...a clue is in here. Let's go and tell people about it?'. It would just make you look ridiculous.

I refuse to believe you're only 16 years old.

He's a topper isn't he?

I think the theory of Deedat and others is that the Bible is corrupted, but not completely corrupted. There remain things there still that testify for Mohammed.

And things that show that Christianity is unBiblical and that Christians have misunderstood their own message.

This seems to be Ahmed Deedat's theory, anyway, and those who followed him.

What I always wonder is: If we corrupted the Bible to distort the message, why did we do such a bad job of it? Why didn't we put in all kinds of things where Jesus said, "Hello, people! I am God Himself! I would like to introduce you to the other Persons in God, the Father and the Holy Spirit! Together, we are the Trinity!"

Why didn't we change much MORE? And take out much MORE?

Isn't the OT is the Torah?

Only five chapters of OT are from Torah and name of the chapters Mr Jeff provided earlier.
I testify that Mr Jeff is 100% right.

But I think that's a misunderstanding of the language.
I never cease to be amazed how people can express opinions on the meaning of a verse whose language they don't know, and reject the interpretations of those with whom the language and text originated.

I never cease to be amazed how people can express opinions on the meaning of a verse whose language they don't know, and reject the interpretations of those with whom the language and text originated.

Muslims are expressing and *I* am expressing opinions on the meaning of English translations of the Hebrew original, all of which say essentially the same thing, nol matter who made them.

Indeed, that's my point, they're mere translations. For a translation you rely on the Torah tradition of what the meaning of the words are, but then you contradict yourself by rejecting the Torah's interpretation of those same words.