Every country in the ME and that portrays themselves as Islamic, when they have an election people die.

Sometimes a few. Sometimes many.

There are always riots, instability and general chaos.

What is the root cause of these deaths ... and I'll go ahead and say Bush now and get that out of the way so the rest of you can maybe try to think about it.

We had elections in Oman and no one died! Similarly, elections in Iran and other GCC countries ended peacefully and smoothly.

So where do people die at time of elections? Lets analyze:

- In Iraq, after the US invasion.
- In Afghanistan, after the US invasion.
- In Pakistan, after its alliance with US and attacks on villages near Afghanistan.

So you see, its very ignorant and pathetic to link Islam with these pre or post election deaths. You need to look at the reasons in the core of the issue.

The fact that these countries are Islamic [or Muslim] or portray themselves so, is not really relevant .
We are talking of countries where there is no democracy and the vast majority of the population is illiterate and poor .
Moreover these are countries holding a key position in the international chessboard .
Take Pakistan as example : 200 million starving and jobless people , a nuclear bomb and an enviable position at the doors of Asia, the new rising economic power .
Don't you think aQ has an easy task here ?

jack, grow up there is nothing with Islam causing all what you call riots. Oman portrays itself as a muslim and we just had our greatest election move very recently. Sting's point were very valid. its where the US sticks its nose where such riots start.

What Middle Eastern Countries other than Lebanon and Palestine? You said "Every" right?

Since some have said Islam is not "relevant" lets start at the the first Caliphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliph) and will they please tells us how power was transfered?

Since some have said Islam is not "relevant" lets start at the the first Caliphate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliph) and will they please tells us how power was transfered?

Am not sure your thread is inspired by madame Bhutto death but if so, you still refuse to place on the table all the ingredients
We are talking of countries where Islam is taken just as excuse
The reason why she was killed is that she went back after an agreement with the US and Musharraf Her task was that to drag the country far from extremists hands, something in which Musharraf himself has failed
The reason why she was killed, is not that she was secular or spoke against fundamentalists but that the practical results of her victory, would have been the end of Taliban economy based on poppy and arms
Moving Pakistan, Iraq, Algeria, towards western civilisation, means dragging away these countries from corruption and illicit trades
Not sure where you see the relevant role of Islam in all this

jack, theories such as yours are heard many times and in many places, but none gave relevent evidence and contrasts yet. maybe if You try to do that and clarify what you are trying to say, it would be better.

jack, theories such as yours are heard many times and in many places, but none gave relevent evidence and contrasts yet. maybe if You try to do that and clarify what you are trying to say, it would be better.Like I said ... care to tell us how the first Caliphate transfered power and then we can go from there.

^ lol... look who started the topic, and refuses to care clarifying his point first! im not bothered telling you anything about the caliphate, eventhough its so irrelevent, the same scenarios happened with other religions. you are bouncing between different topics while you are yet uncertain of what your thread is about!

^ lol... look who started the topic, and refuses to care clarifying his point first! im not bothered telling you anything about the caliphate, eventhough its so irrelevent, the same scenarios happened with other religions. you are bouncing between different topics while you are yet uncertain of what your thread is about!Big Mo ... which part do you need clarifying ...?

It has been documented by "musliims" of the assasinations of the first couple caliphs. Also do you know where the word "assassin" comes from?

Topic is very clear to me and others. If you don't want to talk about hough ... just say so.

Every country in the ME and that portrays themselves as Islamic, when they have an election people die.

Sometimes a few. Sometimes many.

There are always riots, instability and general chaos.

What is the root cause of these deaths ... and I'll go ahead and say Bush now and get that out of the way so the rest of you can maybe try to think about it.

Was the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Jon F Kennedy related Christian country?
How many American President were assassinated?
Are Christianity to be blamed?
Who began this killing of political leaders?
What history speaks?


What is the root cause of these deaths

Over ambition to pleased Bush.

Like , see Bush, I will able to serve you better and I shall allow Pakistani soil to use your Army.
Musharaf will never do that .
We both are puppet but I am best.

Was the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Jon F Kennedy related Christian country?
How many American President were assassinated?
Are Christianity to be blamed?
Who began this killing of political leaders?
What history speaks?


What is the root cause of these deaths

Over ambition to pleased Bush.

Like , see Bush, I will able to serve you better and I shall allow Pakistani soil to use your Army.
Musharaf will never do that .
We both are puppet but I am best.No idea Shams. We can discuss in another thread if you'd like.

But since your here how has Bangladesh elections been being a muslim country THAT would be relevent to this thread.

It has been documented by "musliims" of the assasinations of the first couple caliphs.

now im certain you have no idea what you are talking about...
Elections? or Assination of Caliphs? you missed the point that
the caliphs ruled for Years after they have been elected.
*ps: the second caliph wasn't assisnated (busted?)
besides, the Caliphs case is not even related to your theory because
it has more to do with events before the death of the prophet, and not politics.
however, after reading shamsery's points...

No idea Shams

that explains it!

I stumbled across this Pakistani forum and found it interesting.

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com//index.php?showforum=2

Lets say, I could 'feel the love' reading their reaction to Bhutto's killing.

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com//index.php?showtopic=72245

Now coming back to Shamserys post, this is a comment I read on this forum regarding the suicide attack on a mosque in Pakistan on Id.

Since this is a Pakistani forum, I can only assume this is a Pakistani moslem. He is apparently in a minority who is able to face reality.

Get real guys. Muslims have killed Muslims since the advent of Islam and they do even today. Our govt knew this and that is why they have arrested terrrorist trainers from a nearby madrassa for this attack.

To this day we have had thousands of dead Muslims in Pakistan. Not one attack has been proven to be by non-Muslims. The suicide bombers who kill themselves are Muslims. The trainers are Muslims. The people who wrap the bombs are Muslims. Osama had no problem ordering 9/11 when he knew some of the people killed would be Muslims. I can easily see some jahil Mullah saying it is okay to kill Muslims during Eid if it is to assassinate an anti Al Qaeda minister like Aftab Sherpao. Islam has been twisted by these terrorists. If they can turn Lal Masjid into a warzone and bomb Shias in their imambarghas, why not this?

We are not going to solve this evil if we keep looking outside for answers. This is an evil virus that has affected Muslims and Pakistanis. Blaming jews or hindus is an easy way out but not the reality.

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com//index.php?showtopic=72122&st=40&p=996873&#entry996873

What is the root cause of these deaths

Over ambition to pleased Bush.

Like , see Bush, I will able to serve you better and I shall allow Pakistani soil to use your Army.
Musharaf will never do that .
We both are puppet but I am best.

:yes: :yes: :yell:

We are not going to solve this evil if we keep looking outside for answers. This is an evil virus that has affected Muslims and Pakistanis. Blaming jews or hindus is an easy way out but not the reality.

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com//index.php?showtopic=72122&st=40&p=996873&#entry996873

I would keep these news hidden from the American general public, specially the taxpayer in case they're not informed of how many billions the administration has given to Musharraf til the present day, to fight the war on terror and to train the secret services
I would also not tell them who made a deal some moons ago with Gen. Gul
Better we don't explain to the American weak hearted that nowadays gen Gul, though retired, is organising talibans
And why tell to the average American that Musharraf made a big agreement with the tribes of northern Waziristan, while Baitullah Mehsud is from South
Yes, let's keep all these things hidden and blame it all on Islam, much better
And btw she died cause she fell, not cause of a bullett
Seen the Xray of the skull ?
Tonite we can all sleep better :rolleyes:

Whats the name of that river in Egypt again ?

I would keep these news hidden from the American general public, specially the taxpayer in case they're not informed of how many billions the administration has given

(a)
to Musharraf til the present day, to fight the war on terror and to train the secret services

(b)

I would also not tell them who made a deal some moons ago with Gen. Gul

(c)

Better we don't explain to the American weak hearted that nowadays gen Gul, though retired, is organising talibans


(d)

And why tell to the average American that Musharraf made a big agreement with the tribes of northern Waziristan, while Baitullah Mehsud is from South


(e)

Yes, let's keep all these things hidden

:rolleyes:





Is this link; http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=32012, connectable to that notion of yours amo_l_oman ? "Expelled EU, UN Diplomats Leave Afghanistan". I wonder who tipped Chef Karazai on that non-Islamic clean 'behaviour' so to speak :sunsmile:

I can see :p next kuwai, kuwai - kuwaition from jack that is going to sound like: "why non-muslims are not crossing their boarders 4the purpose of meddling in the affaires of the far countries' internal businesses.''


If only those so-called dip diplomats were muslims ! :boo: jack





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No idea Shams. We can discuss in another thread if you'd like.

But since your here how has Bangladesh elections been being a muslim country THAT would be relevent to this thread.

49:6. O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.


Majority population of Bangladesh is Muslim as majority citizen of America is Christen.

Do you call Christian America?

Note, My country is ,
Peoples Republic of Bangladesh.
This may help you for future reference and for enlighten of your mental faculty.

To meet your inquisitiveness , Seikh Mujib and Ziaur Rahman both were assassinated.
Ex prime minister Seikh Hassiana was targeted but narrowly escaped.
Hope the answer is given.
But why you are skipping?

Reply my question or you can open thread that Christian terrorist assassinated Christian President.

Choice is yours.

49:6. O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.

Choice is yours.



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Allah`U`Akbar !


What an outright challenge :) Haiyah jack hit back ! Any think similar to this under your sleves ?

Any regrets ? 4 egizampo the alleged Iraqi WMD and - and subsequent killings of the masses for no aparent reason/s ?

Is, is 30th of December of any significance to the UN for IRAQ's humanity ?




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Allah`U`Akbar !


What an outright challenge :) Haiyah jack hit back ! Any think similar to this under your sleves ?

Any regrets ? 4 egizampo the alleged Iraqi WMD and - and subsequent killings of the masses for no aparent reason/s ?

Is, is 30th of December of any significance to the UN for IRAQ's humanity ?D_S ... if you remember the last time you messed with me ... you were sent to the corner wearing a dunce cap.

You want some more time in that corner?

Every country in the ME and that portrays themselves as Islamic, when they have an election people die.

Sometimes a few. Sometimes many.

There are always riots, instability and general chaos.

What is the root cause of these deaths ... and I'll go ahead and say Bush now and get that out of the way so the rest of you can maybe try to think about it.

What a ridiculous statement. There are 22 countries in MENA region, tell me which country has bloody election ? Tell me, please .

Yea, in your eyes Oman is governed by an oppressive regime where women are tortured, streets are full of bombings with Al-Qaeda camps spread everywhere in Muscat.

In your eyes Dubai is full of chaos and instability where men and women are beaten everywhere by authority for not keeping beard and veil themselves properly.. and oh everybody still travel by camels and all Emiratis are nomads living in tents..

Grow up, boy !

Islam dont need no stinking elections ... :rolleyes:

Islam will rule the world (http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1761.htm)

Right T-boy ...