The struggle to see the best sport v8 german car :yell:


PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZXrhBudfZw



Part 2:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAZC2onYrUE


PART 3:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvMVp5C8oQ


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/412834083_d44246c8ac_o.jpg




http://news.windingroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/2008-c63-amg-lead.jpg



http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_geneva/0503_audi_rs4_800.jpg

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whos better in your opinion? and why?

I'm a biased Bimmer fan, would take the ///M3 in a heart beat :cool:

C63 got the power, massive V8 under the hood, but i'm not a fan of it's auto transmission...

the RS4 is really really (and i mean, REALLY) hot, but i want a RWD car, and the M3 is slightly faster...

this is a very short, very general post about this subject ;)

P.S: cant wait for the new CSL :rolleyes:

+ bmw is the best in the turns and handling

im i biased VAG(Volkswagen automotive group) ... but i also LOVE mercedes so its gonna be hard to choose between the RS4 and the C63 ... both are sexy as hell .. C has more power.. RS4 has an amazing 6mt transmition .. hmm its gonna be real hard if i was rich :p

the M3 is a great car too .. i wouldnt mind having 1 :D

The thing about an M3 is...the association that goes with it. I mean...if you drive an M3, you have to understand that to most other drivers, that little sticky badge translates as "the driver of this vehicle has a very large mouth inversely proportionate to his tiny wedding jewellery".

It's a fine piece of engineering actually, but I'm not that big on the looks of the newer BMW range, and the overall package just doesn't inspire me, even though on paper it's probably the best f you average all the aspects together.

The Audi I kind of like, because it's kind of understated and classy in comparison. It's not a show-off car, it looks like the A4...and that AWD system is supposed to be great. But...I am with Amarant on this, in that for me a sporty car HAS to be rear wheel drive. Actually any car at all if I have the choice! Also, the colours they chose for this special model make it look like a Kia. That red! That blue! Ewww...it looks so cheap. But it's probably the nicest to drive to work every day.

So, the Merc. I don't like the look of Mercedes sports cars in general. They remind of 1980s styling, and women with big hair and shoulder pads. But I like this. Mercedes definitely make the prettiest shaped saloon cars at the moment and they are so much more beautiful than the SE series. Apparently there are some little things about the interior finish (annoying on a car this expensive). But apart from that, the only negative comment is that when you put your foot down, the back comes out and it goes a bit crazy. But...is that a downside, with a three-stage ESP system if you really want to be safe?

Give me the Mercedes please. Mad, bad, dangerous to know, and all in a package that looks like a proper grown up an beautiful saloon car. Maybe all these cars are still for boy racers, but I reckon the C63 is the one for boys with bigger...life experience ;)

M3 is the best. I've seen it in the showroom and it's amaaaaazing!

out of this list i vote for the M3

M3 is the best. I've seen it in the showroom and it's amaaaaazing!

yup the red colour:love:

Tough race.

I'd take the RS4. It looks beautiful, which neither the M3 or the C62 have. It feels grounded, and planted, and with the correct driving, I think, thanks to it's AWD, would take a corner faster than the other two cars. It's simple, there is no iDrive Apple-esque technology or complicated gizmology.

I think it was established that the C62 was the most practical car of the three, but that doesn't make the RS4 a lousy competitor. In terms of practicality, it can easily be a daily driver, without attracting too much attention, and consume the least amount of tire in comparison with the other two.

ohh, and it has the biggest knob :yes:

^^we'r talking about "sport" car, when you say that you don't care about practicality. If I need a family car, I would go for a sedan, not a sedan looking sport (Evo being an exception here). Even though there is a version of M3 4-door, if I had to pick between these three, I would go for the M3 hands down and make AMARANT my biggest fan :D

M3 DID perform better than the other 2 in the track by having the least horses.

RS4 is good, but if I needed a big Audi, I would spend the money for the A8 and if sports Audi I would spend for a R8, same goes for the Benz, its the best engine out of all, but still looks like a 50 yr old's car.

WEll.........all these cars are great:).......but i would choose the C63 and M3......am not realy impressed by Audi, they make good cars but i feel they make complicated cars that they can maintain ( had some problems with audi's b4 !),,,,,C63 is great aND ppl at Benz say its one of the best AMG's ever made (i dont agree with them:P)....and M3 is great as well.....the new 3 series might not be as nice as the perviouse one but i think that we need some time to get used to it..but been in one.. and it feels realy good ......and fun to drive:) so i think it realy depends on what car ru looking for ....a sedan with power n looks C63 or a cope that is powerfull and fun o drive M3 :)

~cK~ Thanks for the wonderful thread and sharing the videos with us, I really enjoyed them, and I think Jeremy Clarkson should run for president lol

The rivalry between these three cars has been around for years! And it's always been a tough call picking the cream of the crop. Each one of these cars is undeniably a thoroughbred sports car in an evening gown, like a wolf covered in wool (although the M3 is bad at hiding it :p).

Out of the three I think the least I would be interested in is the C63 AMG, not only is it the only car with a 6.2L and a 6.3 badge :rolleyes:, but I guess it really does seem too glamorous for a sports car, and not to mention it's price tag in comparison to the other two.

I'd hate to call it a tie between the RS4 and the M3 because each excels in different aspects. But I'd consider myself lucky to be driving any of these two beauties. :)

Rivalbro,
These are high performance sports sedans. In the end, practically has to be a deciding factor to fulfill that sedan part of it. I think the M3 would take the best build award, and the C62 would take the most fun car on track award, but in the end, in my book, and with my rules, the RS4 takes the best car overall.

Mercedes poops on BMW.

I'd certainly go for a C63

Well it seems there are some left over Rossi, let's take them shall we? While the gaylords in their M3s are buying downstairs enlargement creams and being pulled by the Police for looking like joyriders, and Ti3gib is wearing a paper bag over his head so nobody sees him in that hideous colour scheme, we'll just be stuck with the fastest, the craziest drive, classiest looking if you're turning up at a meeting, and the biggest back seat for making out with "yo laydeh".

I think we did OK :D

M3 is for Wankers. C63 is the real thing..

I think it would be really interesting to see what happens when they add the new Corvette into the race.

^^come on !!!! vette doesnt belong to this class.......probably the ugly cady CTS-V.....:P or charget srt 8 ....

C63 , I finally merceds made nice rims

Lightning2, Maybe the Z51 ?

lol those who just bash the cars they dont like should at least give reasons ...

- what kind of sport car doesnt offer manual transmission??

- yes Mercedes's AT is really good an all, but it's still an auto, it's not even a duoble-clutch AT ...

- i wont be surprised if the C63 price tag will be 7~10 K above the other 2 cars, and for just extra 30 hp??

- Merc needs an engine that is double the size of Audi/BMW engines just to compete wityh them :XD:

^^ Well said

M3 is for Wankers. C63 is the real thing..

said by the guy who supports a non manual,,,, non-double-clutch sport car ...

at least BMW owners have some manhood...

- Merc needs an engine that is double the size of Audi/BMW engines just to compete wityh them :XD:[/b]
That is poor knowledge. If that's the way you're gonna think when I tell you that there's a 2.0L V4 out there that holds with M3 off the line which is double that engine size ??

The thing about transmission is that we're in a defining time right now. I think in a couple of years, manual would be faded out of the industry, because there are better preforming better built transmission boxes.

No No Amarant.

That is poor knowledge. If that's the way you're gonna think when I tell you that there's a 2.0L V4 out there that holds with M3 off the line which is double that engine size ??


is it a V4 or an I4 ??

anyway that's not a N/A engine, but the M3, RS4, and C63 all have NA engines, however the C63 needed an extra 2.2 litlre :p

and those are competitors, the evo is in another class...

That is knowledge....



The thing about transmission is that we're in a defining time right now. I think in a couple of years, manual would be faded out of the industry, because there are better preforming better built transmission boxes.


the only substitue for MT is double cluch, which isnt offered in the Merc ...

and still a sport car needs a MT, in the track, u will still need an MT...







No No Amarant.

Yes Yes Amarant :cool:

The thing about transmission is that we're in a defining time right now. I think in a couple of years, manual would be faded out of the industry, because there are better preforming better built transmission boxes.

now that's poor knowledge my friend. the foundation of sports is MT, it is connected to everything sport! freedom of shifting, style, etc etc. Why do these big cars still use MT if there are "better built transmission boxes"?? because nothing can beat MT's status in a racer's heart!

No No ti3gib

These cars were not compared by heart, but by performance. There's no such thing as saying that the replacement to a manual gear box is a double clutch shifer system. There's no systematic foundation in making that a fact.

There are also no set rules or guidelines against MB putting a 6.2 in their car, if that's what they want to do, then that's what they will. Again, there's no systematic foundation to what you're saying.

There is also no such thing as a "true racer" in the motorsport world. There's the road, and there's the car. The driver's proficiency can only be so good, and at some level his importance is lost.

These cars were not compared by heart, but by performance. There's no such thing as saying that the replacement to a manual gear box is a double clutch shifer system. There's no systematic foundation in making that a fact.

There are also no set rules or guidelines against MB putting a 6.2 in their car, if that's what they want to do, then that's what they will. Again, there's no systematic foundation to what you're saying.

There is also no such thing as a "true racer" in the motorsport world. There's the road, and there's the car. The driver's proficiency can only be so good, and at some level his importance is lost.

- I did not say that systimatically, a manual can only be replaced by a double clutch. it is not a fact...

but from car enthusiasts point of view, a manual gear gear cant be replaces, but the existing of double clutch transmissions made that possibility...

- and i didnt say Merc must put a smaller engine on the C63, they NEED to put a large engine to compete with Audi/BMW.
I'm just stating that that's thier way to compete...

and the importance of the driver can never be lost ... no matter how good the car is ...
specially if ur talking about the track ...

Amarant. There's no point to dance around the obvious.

There are two reasons that from a car enthusiast point of view, stick gearing isn't important. A. Because you cannot call Jeremy Clarkson not a car enthusaist. B. The automatic gear in the Mercedes was not only good enough to compete with Audi & BMWs offering, but also beat them.

- and i didnt say Merc must put a smaller engine on the C63, they NEED to put a large engine to compete with Audi/BMW.
I'm just stating that that's thier way to compete...
Merc needs an engine that is double the size of Audi/BMW engines just to compete wityh them

You misunderstood my driver note. There's only so much a driver can utilize in a car, there's no way a shitty driver in a Murcielago would lost to Alonso in a Toyota Corolla. The driver is only as good as his car.

i dont like the idea of comparing engines exactly !!! by capacity and all that !!! i mean mercedes made the E63 AMg and CLK 63 Black series which can screw alll types of bimmers !!! u name it M6 M5 M3.....but i dont have the right to say BMW needed to more cylinders !!!! to keep up with benz....
i deeply belive that each manufacturer has thier own policies and stratgies by which they make thier cars ,engines and gear boxes......DSG was 1st applied to VW and SMG to BMW but does that mean other cars are not good? did the DSG made the R32 a better car then an S3 or even boxter ?....i just want to make this point clear.....at the end of the day im mad about the R32 as much as amarant mad about bimmers and M's...but i feel that we should be fair while commenting on the rivles here:)

if i wanna be fair, maybe i should look at the price tag right??

how much extra would u pay for the C63??

i'm not saying it's a bad car, it's amazing for those who like what it offers...

i made my points clear:
- expensive
- Automatic

but for those who dont care about these 2 points, the C63 would do good for them ...

P.S. the CLK black series is one of a kind, it doesnt have rivals, and the E63 is nothing like the M5 ...

^^^ E63 is a much better car than the M5 ....my humble opinion:P.......
mmmmm any way:) i got ur point...

^^^ to me the C63 is more of a competitor to the M3 than the E63 to the M5

at least the C63 has power in it's advantages ...

my humble opinion :p

from those 3 cars .. i would deffenetly take the m3 but with the dct transmission since i got used to the smg transmission :D

the e46 m3 is fun to drive so im sure the e92 wont be a disappointment.

i like what Jeremy said at the end...

"the Audi and Merc are copies,,,,,, very good copies, but still copies"


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a nice review by 5th gear

and again, i wish if Tiff was driving the M3 :mmhmm:

M3 VS C63 on 5th gear

I'd still go for the C63

1 more reason to get the ///M3 :rolleyes:

M3's can be everywhere..it isn't as exotic as the Benz. `

^^ u cant say that, they are in the same level of exoticness...

lack of Benz's doesnt make them more exotic...

its coz of their imaginary prices espcially in oman !