All of us we know that western's people have abad reputation about people who come from the middle east to study or visting.

Also we know how they deal with these people( From Middle East) in the airports. you stock in the airport from 2 to 8 hours to get done with thier systems to enter that country.

Here a story that i have had, One day i went to the complex to pay the rent.

I gave it to her and she said to me where are you from I repaly ????:)


She replayed to me KILLER.I replayed :angry:

and i throwed the paper to her face and recived my second worrning.

The questions to be ask here. Why our goverments throw us just like that in those country with out having any protection?

If any member of those countries visite middle east, he will not be protected by Secourity, but with our presedents.

I am glad to hear to opinion about that.

Because of our bad reputation through out the world, Al-Qa3eda made it, we wouldn't be like this if the planes weren't hijacked[sp?] :bored:

Because of our bad reputation through out the world, Al-Qa3eda made it, we wouldn't be like this if the planes weren't hijacked[sp?] :bored:

I am not here to be with alqa3eda, but are you sure alqa3eda has done that or CNN+FOXNEWS=WASH BRAIN

Why they accept so many students to study in USA e.g. After 9/11 so.

The questions to be ask here. Why our goverments throw us just like that in those country with out having any protection?

I am glad to hear to opinion about that.

When visiting any country you must inform your embassy. Then you will get country protection. But most of people ignore.
It is your duty to inform embassy your travel arrangement and contact in that country.

She replayed to me KILLER.
That is normal all over the world you will find similar thing.

If any member of those countries visite middle east, he will not be protected by Secourity, but with our presedents.
Every country have some arrangement.
E.g USA and Oman. Any American visiting Oman they allowed to stay in 3 Or 4 hotels. It applies Omani visiting USA.

Well apparently throwing the paper in her face didn't help fix her idea about us.

Our situation right now reminds me of a story.
In the time of the Prophet:PBUH:, the people of Quraish, including other tribes who never even met him wanted to kill him. The 'media' back then said he was dealing with black magic, he was a liar, a poet, someone who has lost his mind.

One day, he was walking in the Suq and saw an old lady who needed some help. He helped carry her things, and walked with her through the hot desert until he reached her house. She said she didn't have anything to give to him in return, except an advice. He smiled and asked her for the advice, her advice was to keep away from a man called Mohammed who is brain washing the youth.

He smiled and said: I am Mohammed.

She put in mind what this young man has done, he helped her, listened to her, treated her with great respect. Surely, the 'media' is wrong. She became Muslim.

We can't clame everything on Al Qaeda and the Media. Simple situations like the one you were in can be taken as an advantage to change peoples' idea about us.

1-Embassy knows very will about us with out telling them. They do nothing

2-Do you agree when somebody say something bad for you?

Arrangment

3-Why we do not have like them or we are not qualify for them (musilms)

suns's shine - forgive me, I accept that English isnt your first language, and your English is certainly better than my Arabic, but just so I can get this straight, You are abroad somewhere? And you went to pay your rent at an office, and the attendant asked you where you were from, to which you said Oman/Middle East?, and to that answer, this woman said you were a killer?

You have every right to be upset and angry, and just so you know, you have every right to report that person to the police for racism. Canada and the UK take that kind of stuff VERY seriously, and I urge you to file a complaint if this incident happened in one of those countries. I can not be sure about the USA, but I'd be extremely surprised if there were not similar laws protecting you from such harrassment there as well.

Just remember, you know who you are, you know where you come from, and you know you dont want anything to do with Al-Qa3eda or their activities. People are generally stupid, and have narrow minds and frequently fail to think outside their little excuse for a life. At least your getting out in the world and living in another country.

With regards to CNN / Fox News, they are totally useless, I only watch BBC News 24 and Al Jazeera English. Many North Americans I know also dont beleive much of what they see on CNN / FOX / MSNBC. It's a sorry situation but true none-the-less.

You really should file a complaint against that woman.

Well we humans act on impulse and its a natural reaction if you get them looks ( you know what I mean ) but put yourself in their situation what would you do ?

Being in another country where a Muslim knows the media helps spread this idea, the Muslim should be ready for this kind of treatment.

The Muslim should also put in mind that everything he or she does will be focused on, and in case of a wrong act, it will be linked back to Islam.

So in order to help change the common belief on Muslims, we should change ourselves first.

^^ Umkalied what you have written in so nice, but we are going to do nothing.

In the past a few days the world standed up to look how people in saudi arabia treated the woman in the eastern of saudi arabia. ( you know the rest of the story) Why they stand up becouse of the MEDIA has played its turn.


I might correct you and say why we do not have a good MEDIA to show those people the real thing about us not to influence by their MEDIA

Well we humans act on impulse and its a natural reaction if you get them looks ( you know what I mean ) but put yourself in their situation what would you do ?


I am not stupid to belive every thing f i were instead of them

1-Embassy knows very will about us with out telling them. They do nothing
Well I don’t know your situation. But embassy can not protect you in the street.
2-Do you agree when somebody say something bad for you?
As far as I am concern where ever you will go you will find some people like that. Just learn how to meddle with them. If your in USA just act your Mexican.
3-Why we do not have like them or we are not qualify for them
Do you think American in Middle East they introduce them self as America NO.

1-Embassy knows very will about us with out telling them. They do nothing

2-Do you agree when somebody say something bad for you?

Arrangment

3-Why we do not have like them or we are not qualify for them (musilms)

1. It's not any embassies job to protect you in the street, or day to day life. It is the embassies job (with regard to it's citizens) to provide translation services and legal assistance should it be required. It is not their job to go and lay the smack down on some stupid woman.

2. If someone insults you, its your natural instinct to be angry. Um-khalid wrote a great parable earlier about helping the woman home from the souq with her stuff - there's a similar parable in the Bible as well, I vagely remember it from when I was at school, many years ago! - The point is, assume the person you're dealing with is one-track minded, and attempt to change their opinion about you, by not getting mad, but (in this case) asking why she was calling you a killer. However, someone calling someone a killer is a serious accusation and I still am shocked to hear your story. If this happens again with this woman, dont say anything, just dial 911/999 (depending where you are!)

3. Sorry just dont understand the point you made... :(

Well I don’t know your situation. But embassy can not protect you in the street.

As far as I am concern where ever you will go you will find some people like that. Just learn how to meddle with them. If your in USA just act your Mexican.

Do you think American in Middle East they introduce them self as America NO.


1-If iam in the street i know how to help my self do not warry.

2- Mexican :cute:

3- They do introduce them self as american yes.

^^ Sythe

3- why we do not treat them as what they do with us ???

The media...Blame it to the media

3. Its not all teddy bears and smiles here in the Middle East here either man. As a Westerner I've certainly encountered a lot of similar behaviour as to the behaviour you described above. And besides, you know the answer, Um-khalid's reference to a story tells you the answer. In the Bible, it says to turn the other cheek when someone insults you - this is the same principle.

It's matter of experiencing people.. before I thought all westerners are good but now I believe the opposite.

The lady you dealt with has never left her home town in her life.. and all what she thinks about is her weekend!!

They need to educate themselves and look around. *those who have this stereotype about us*

It's not our mistake if they allowed their boys and girls to go to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan or whereve then they call us killers because their girls and boys got their heads chopped off in the war!!

Um khalied

Not every thing that u face you see i want to be like aprophet mohammed :PBUH: You have to read his biograohy very well.

And every thing to tolerant of Islam

You have to be honest with ur self. Different in treatment referrs to bad goverments that we have and the fear.

If you want to go to another country, then you have to follow the rules of that country.... Oman has very strict laws which EVERYONE has to follow. Besides the fact that the slavery aspect that this thread is turning to, is a blatant human rights issue. I dont care if it's fine and dandy to treat your domestic help like that where you're from, you wont get away with that kind of treatment just anywhere. And besides, it's just wrong anyway. Rape, in any way or form, is just wrong.

If you want to go to another country, then you have to follow the rules of that country.... Oman has very strict laws which EVERYONE has to follow. Besides the fact that the slavery aspect that this thread is turning to, is a blatant human rights issue. I dont care if it's fine and dandy to treat your domestic help like that where you're from, you wont get away with that kind of treatment just anywhere. And besides, it's just wrong anyway. Rape, in any way or form, is just wrong.


The only reason for is to spread of islam, when any any one from them does any thing wrong we free and send him back home with our tickets in the first class

Why we do not apply our rules for them.

Well it depend where you are most GCC country will bend the rule to accommodate foreigner culture or behaviour. Some times I tend to agree.

Um khalied

Not every thing that u face you see i want to be like aprophet mohammed :PBUH: You have to read his biograohy very well.

And every thing to tolerant of Islam

You have to be honest with ur self. Different in treatment referrs to bad goverments that we have and the fear.

Is it to do with western people?

It is sad that there are misconceptions about Islam and about Arabs...I don't know when that will be rectified any time soon....seems to me that if you analyze human history there are always going to be people thinking their culture is superior to others. There is a lot of Arab and Western bashing not just here but all over the world.

Anyway, now that's out of the way, I am really sorry to hear what happened to you. This woman who said that is an ignorant bigot. And although I agree with Um Khaled (as usual) that it's best to try to correct these wrong impressions by your actions, I can understand why you lost your temper. Whichever country it was in, and whatever her reasons, this woman was clearly an idiot and a bigot. So can I suggest that you look at her behaviour, and how it made you feel, and make sure that you are not being like that yourself ;)

Wow, now that you bring forward those totally logical and convincing arguments, I'm with you on this one.

/NOT.

Anyway, I'm still sorry for what happened to you. That woman is an idiot. but be careful not to end up the same just because you are angry.

it wouldve been easier if people were treated based on that They are Human
rather than that they are arabs! english! African!indian! White meats!!!yellow Meats!...

lets see:
if a guy who is from randomly italy...was abusing his housemaid...would the media maximize it and make it a fuss and BIG deal>>>
yea all will say: hey what is done wrong the Guy deserves maximum punishment as per the countries rules

NOW the picture WILL defenatly be different when its A Kuwaiti, an Egyptian a Pakistani with the same above issue...

Again....Blame the UNFAIR media ;) Controlled By some propaganda that some are made blind to believe about its existence ....

I wonder if there are per say Any FREE /Justice media in this world :D

All of us we know that western's people have abad reputation about people who come from the middle east to study or visting.

Also we know how they deal with these people( From Middle East) in the airports. you stock in the airport from 2 to 8 hours to get done with thier systems to enter that country.

Here a story that i have had, One day i went to the complex to pay the rent.

I gave it to her and she said to me where are you from I repaly ????:)


She replayed to me KILLER.I replayed :angry:

and i throwed the paper to her face and recived my second worrning.

The questions to be ask here. Why our goverments throw us just like that in those country with out having any protection?

If any member of those countries visite middle east, he will not be protected by Secourity, but with our presedents.

I am glad to hear to opinion about that.

Can you report her to someone? I know that there are laws in the USA where if you are being discriminated against you have recourse. A landlord cannot treat you this way.

Can you report her to someone? I know that there are laws in the USA where if you are being discriminated against you have recourse. A landlord cannot treat you this way.The woman was rude. Terribly rude. Totally uncalled for.

I doubt she broke any law ... unless he was denied housing which I don't think he was.

All of us we know that western's people have abad reputation about people who come from the middle east to study or visting.


Why does the Middle East have that reputation and India and Asia do not?

You raise a valid point, JFT.

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Can we keep this thread within the main topic please?

Thanks

You raise a valid point, JFT.

Well thanks Wudjab,

You know I really don't think it is as bad as the OP makes it out to be.

Just because one white lady is freaked out by an Arab, does not mean all Westerners are. I am not.

And SunShine should realize that when radicals highjack planes in the name of some Mid East cause, their intention is to make the Western world aware.

Well, they succeeded. It's called terrorism because the aim is to terrorize. Maybe they should have chosen other methods.

Just because one white lady is freaked out by an Arab, does not mean all Westerners are.


Thank you J4T :)

This is 100% ture

Well, I wonder what, say, Pygmalion who lives here and Charm who visited have to say.

Do you feel singled out and unwelcome in America?

I know a lot of Arabs here. Many of the women wear hijabs. Most of the ones I know don't have much difficulty. There are occasional nasty people, but those are usually the kind of people who want to cause trouble for pretty much anybody. They'll use any excuse they can latch on to.

sun's shine.
If you feel very humiliated.
Fight for your right.

Why does the Middle East have that reputation and India and Asia do not?


Becouse you are muslim and that is enough for you to be treated by this way.

and you live in the centeral of the islam.

Well,
I know a lot of Arabs here. Many of the women wear hijabs. Most of the ones I know don't have much difficulty. There are occasional nasty people, but those are usually the kind of people who want to cause trouble for pretty much anybody. They'll use any excuse they can latch on to.

Are you sure?

Sure of what? That there are ugly people who just look for people to bother? Yes; I'm sure.

The thing is: we regular Americans run into nasty people too. People give us trouble over this or that or they don't like us, etc.

Think about it: if such a person is giving me trouble and I am black, he will add "N*gger" to the conversation. If I am Arab, he will add "Killer!" If I am klutzy, he will add "Spazz!"

There are some people who "hate Arabs", sure there are. But according to most Arabs I meet here--including those in my neighborhood--people are generally pleasant and open.

There are so many stories after 9/11 of Arabs and Muslims whose American neighbors and colleagues went out of their way to let them know that they were not blamed, but were cherished as friends.

I'm sorry for your experience. But I would ask you: are all you experiences like that? Is this what you run into normally? Or do you have favorable experiences too?

And I think it would be helpful if Charm or Pygmalion added their experiences too since they are Arabs and have been in the US. They may have positive or negative thoughts. I would welcome them anyway.

we regular Americans run into nasty people too. .


I like this one, but how can you express stocking in the airport 8 hrs to enter the country?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Were you stuck in the airport for 8 hours as part of a security check? Or what?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Were you stuck in the airport for 8 hours as part of a security check? Or what?

Security part for poor people( Middle East) other countries not.

by the way r u american?

Yes, I am American.

I still don't understand what happened to you over eight hours. Were you stuck in a security check?

Yes, I am American.

I still don't understand what happened to you over eight hours. Were you stuck in a security check?


My dear jeff,

there is discrimination in ur country.

In the airport. eight hrs start with give me ur passport, we will call u. other people in front of us they finish. they came after us and get done before us.

I like the security part in this way.

I can see that it might feel that way. And I can understand if people don't want to come here because of that.

On the other hand, we are facing a genuine danger. And most of the danger today does not come from China or the Congo or Brazil.

But I am not sure if everyone has the same problem all the time. I would love to hear about Charm and Pygmalion's experiences. Pygmo goes back and forth pretty frequently.

And soon Amjad will be coming! It will be good to hear what his experinces are too.

Anyway, I apologize for the woman who treated you badly. I am ashamed when people act like that.

For the airport, I am sorry and I understand. I am not sure why they did it or if they always do it, but I can understand your feelings. I hope if you go through again, it will be easier.

Western people have bad impressions of Arabs & Muslims for one simple reason.

They're jealous.

^^

Nice! :p

You getta rep for dat! :p

I'm going slightly off-topic here, but with reason, as it's relevant.Suns shine - your statements about all Middle Eastern people having to stay in USA airport security for hours is incorrect. I read Amjad's blog, and he has blogged his entire way into the USA, and per his blog, his entrance to the USA took 15 minutes.

As many of us have said already in this thread, your experience with this woman does not indicated the general feelings of an entire nation, to imagine that one interaction with one person gives you the right to trash an entire nation then you need to sit and re-asses your thoughts.

Anyone and everyone can be insensed at any time for any reason. Treat people how you want to be treated. If someone calls you a killer just because of where you are from then they are an idiot, and dont deserve your time, just ignore them man.

And by the way I've lived in a fair few countries and have never seen the amount of line-jumping that I see here in Oman (being my first middle-east location). Whether I'm lining up in a supermarket or an ATM machine, I've been pushed-in front of loads of times here.

"Becouse you are muslim and that is enough for you to be treated by this way.

and you live in the centeral of the islam."

If you are so well aware of this then why are you opening a thread raising a question that you already know the answer of?
My cousins from my Mom's side are in Canada, my cousins from my dad's side are in Scotland. They cope pretty well I guess...I don't see them depressed or complaining about life there.

Western people have bad impressions of Arabs & Muslims for one simple reason.

They're jealous.

Maybe they would be if they knew more. And you mean envious, not jealous. But actually it's not true. They have a bad impression for two reasons:

1. Bad news is hot news. Everything bad that happens will be reported, ordinary things are not. And the same works in reverse, because only bad things about the West are talked about in places like this. Oh, and of course people in the Middle East in general are envious of the economic success of North America and Europe.

2. There is a fundamental difference in definitions of morality. To say that the West is built on individual rights, and the East on individual responsibilities is a simplification, but not by much. Both manage quite successfully to feel superior to the other.

So that's why: The West look down on the Islamic world as inferior, and every bad deed will be reported a thousand times more often than every success. And now count how many threads there are here about bad things happening in e.g. the US, and tell me it doesn't work both ways!


Personally I have one foot in each area, but I'm trying not to look down on or envy myself.

I would like to thank every body to gave or talk about this thread. I open this thread to share with u what has happened to me USA. But honestly, That was in the past. Understanding how people express is big that you can learn in in the life. My greeting for all of u in this forum. and happy life.

Sun's shine

I'm going slightly off-topic here, but with reason, as it's relevant.Suns shine - your statements about all Middle Eastern people having to stay in USA airport security for hours is incorrect. I read Amjad's blog, and he has blogged his entire way into the USA, and per his blog, his entrance to the USA took 15 minutes.

As many of us have said already in this thread, your experience with this woman does not indicated the general feelings of an entire nation, to imagine that one interaction with one person gives you the right to trash an entire nation then you need to sit and re-asses your thoughts.

Anyone and everyone can be insensed at any time for any reason. Treat people how you want to be treated. If someone calls you a killer just because of where you are from then they are an idiot, and dont deserve your time, just ignore them man.

And by the way I've lived in a fair few countries and have never seen the amount of line-jumping that I see here in Oman (being my first middle-east location). Whether I'm lining up in a supermarket or an ATM machine, I've been pushed-in front of loads of times here.


thanks so much about what u have written.
from u we learn guys
Just ignore them man:)

Ya they piss me off sometimes, I went for my graduation 2 UK this november only for 3 days. They kept questioning me, like I am accused of a murder.
Though I don't deny some citizen are really good and treated us so well.

Sometimes, I don't blaim them, cuz some Arab act in a rude way. I have seen few whom are that way. Thats why it is complicated issue

I lived in the south of England for 18 months and my best friends were pure British, they never asked me any weird questions, they never accused me of anything for wearing a head scarf. Actually the town i lived in, i hardly seen any Muslims around, i mean it was 90% English population i would say, i never walked down the street and felt people were judging or pointing figures at me. on the contrary i felt like i was accepted in the community, no one looked at me like i was the weird one with a different color or with the scarf on the head.

So i wouldn't generalise, of course you'd see the other side of but, but if you open the news and watch the kind of things they're watching.. well i wouldn't blame them for having the wrong idea..

Why western people have a bad Reputation about us?

Thanks to the western twisted media. Biased reporting, one side view of all stories and the list is so long...

Media plays crucial parts in this issue!

Media plays crucial parts in this issue!It's ALL media ...?

Muslims themselves contribute to the insanity (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38254).

It's ALL media ...?

Muslims themselves contribute to the insanity (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38254).


When I said media plays crucial parts in this issue I didn't mean it's all due to the media!

i just reckon the media in the west is brainwashing, which in turn gives such bad reputation about muslims or in general middle easterns!

To be honest the media can influence behavior and this goes both ways...Western and Middle Eastern. I have witnessed stereotypes on both sides....sadly seems human nature wants to gobble up the nastiest and juiciest ill details of others.

Media.


She replayed to me KILLER.I replayed :angry:

and i throwed the paper to her face and recived my second worrning.


Wrong move, by this you've encouraged them to stick to their beliefs about middle-easterns.

Media.



Wrong move, by this you've encouraged them to stick to their beliefs about middle-easterns.

i do agree that would encourage them to stick to their beliefs about middle easterns, but it's harsh to say sun's shine is mistaken! there is always reaction to action.

i wouldn't react! i'll keep it inside me and ignore as i'm confident that i'm not a killer. i did it couples of times when i was in the uk!

i do agree that would encourage them to stick to their beliefs about middle easterns, but it's harsh to say sun's shine is mistaken! there is always reaction to action.

i wouldn't react! i'll keep it inside me and ignore as i'm confident that i'm not a killer. i did it couples of times when i was in the uk!

My father has told me do you want to study in that country i said yes i would love to go overther, but when i saw who people reacted about the people from middle east i changed my mind. i would love to continue my master in Europe. I do have good friends on the country what iam studing right now. I really like to spend my live travelling around the world. there is no **** any more on my live.

I respect what members have said to me. i took it as a lesson n the life

c u later

Media.



Wrong move, by this you've encouraged them to stick to their beliefs about middle-easterns.

F i replace on my place at that time, u will not write what u r writing right now.

So please do not blame me.

go forth and show what good muslims are like! they will call you 'killer' or whatever..so you are burdened with a mission...that of showing the ignorant person otherwise!

This is a complicated issue and there is no real answer. There are good and bad people all over the world.
As some members know something very bad happened to me by an Omani in Oman a few years ago which resulted in me bringing a huge legal case against him. I left Oman for a while for medical treatment and to see my family. On my return at Seeb airport i was approached by the police immediately after i cleared passport control. I personally was physically searched 3 times, my bags were opened and everything taken out 4 times by 4 seperate police men. I sat down and was told i was not allowed to, i went to use my phone to call my husband who was waiting out side for me and was told i was not allowed to and my phone was removed from me. In total after more than 4 hours i was finally allowed to go through to my by now frantic husband. The reason for all this? Because i was a western woman who was prosecuting an Omani male. Concerning this period in my life i could quote many occasions when bad things were said or done to me because of what i was doing. However, i do not and never have said or believed that all Omanis are bad, a minority - yes, like a minority of westerners may be bad, but not all of them. So, sunshine - bad things happen to all people all over the world. It is a sad fact of life and unfortunately we have to get on with it.

That is a horrible experience. God I feel for you and you know what...the policemen who did this to you are sheer asses for using their badge to intimdate you and if you were able to report them to the proper authorities for such man-handling I would do it in a heartbeat...but only if you are able to. Simply disgusting to me for a woman to be treated in such a manner like a common criminal all because she had a right to prosecute some *** who affected your personal life in such a profound way. My prayers are with you.

F i replace on my place at that time, u will not write what u r writing right now.

So please do not blame me.

I'm not blaming you, I've been there and i've experienced similar situations.

My reaction was? I smiled to their face, that shut them up :)

its simple..

-stupid media showed and still showing the following:

-Iraq&Iran war
-gulf war
-11/sep
-Iraq war


they should show them what they do to them selfs and some will call themselves Killers..

PS: not all western thinks like that but u can say most!

There are people who've never had any experience with arabs before and they rely on what they read in the media, which is usually not good news. (That's what usually makes 'news').

Those who have had experience know there are good arab people, but chances are, they've also met quite a few ignorant and intolerant arabs/muslims themselves.

So, it doesn't get much better for you. You just have to hope you meet people who have not completely made their minds up about arabs/muslims. And you can only help your own situation by not being silly, short tempered and intolerant yourself.

On the other hand, I know huge misconceptions are spread to the ignorants of the M.E. ... a clear example is that of westerners being unfaithful and loose because they eat pork. lol. So I guess there are two sides to every coin.

In the west you might get stared at because you wear a veil. In muslim countries I'd get stared at like I was some piece of meat for the taking.

The more time goes by, the more I am convinced that mutliculturalism does not work.

The more time goes by, the more I am convinced that mutliculturalism does not work.

So what's your solution? And how do you make it work in..er...your house for instance?!

So what's your solution? And how do you make it work in..er...your house for instance?!
Who said it's working? :hyper:

The soloution is of course, if you think white countries are evil and oppresive then don't go to one/bugger off.

The soloution is of course, if you think white countries are evil and oppresive then don't go to one/bugger off.

Unless you happen to be a citizen of that country, in which case it's not only your right but also your moral responsibility to try to change it for the better. :p

Well, despite any faults they might have, I find Muslims and Arabs in particular very appealing and loveable. In enjoy having them in my country.

Any "threat" they might pose to us internally is more because of our weakness and lacks than because of any "monstrous strength" they might have. I think that we have become culturally and religiously weak and they have something to offer religiously speaking which is not without value. So, naturally, they move in to some extent to occupy the vacuum that has formed.

The solution is not to oppress them or restrict them. The solution is to love them and welcome them in the context of a renewal of cultural and religious identity among us.

My feeling is that despite difficulties that might exist over the next few decades, the migration of Muslims and Arabs to the West is going to turn out to be providential...one of the best things that has happened in history.

Muslims and Arabs in particular very appealing and loveable. In enjoy having them in my country.

Er...if you're talking about immigrants, isn't it their country too? Freudian slip Jeff?!

Liked your post apart from that! And especially the part about filling the vacuum...very true. :)

Er...if you're talking about immigrants, isn't it their country too? Freudian slip Jeff?!

Liked your post apart from that! And especially the part about filling the vacuum...very true. :)If they are legal immigrants Yes if and when they become legalized citizens.

If they are illegal immagrants or here on visas etc ... No it is not thier country ... they are guest.

Yes, I agree Jack...that's what I meant.

Yes, I agree Jack...that's what I meant.My fault too ...

I meant to say ...

If they are illegal immagrants ... their are criminals.

visas, work permits etc ... are guest.

Yep, still no argument from me. :)

I agree, anyone who comes to the USA and are not here legally are nothing more than criminals in my book and leeches on the system.

The best thing is to ignore the landlord who is ill-mannered, always pay your rent on time and realize not all Westerners are as ignorant and trashy as that person.

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LOL! OK, I've got to admit that's funny.


Although of course he would be a migrant then...having no rights to define the host society...as opposed to a legal immigrant, having every right...

OK, I'm being a bore now. Sorry.

I don't think u are being a bore...I think u hit the nail on the head in just keeping it real.

Er...if you're talking about immigrants, isn't it their country too? Freudian slip Jeff?!

Liked your post apart from that! And especially the part about filling the vacuum...very true. :)

Well? If it's their country TOO that doesn't mean it isn't MY COUNTRY, does it?

We have a song, an old favorite, that goes, "This is my country! Land of my birth! This is my country! Grandest on earth!"

No one every thought to stop a singer and cry out:

"But it's MY country TOO!"

This land is your land, this land is my land, from California,

My fault too ...

I meant to say ...

If they are illegal immagrants ... their are criminals.

visas, work permits etc ... are guest.

No--sigh!--they aren't criminals.

Because most immigration laws do not involve a criminal matter.

It is against the law to enter the country over the border without permission. It is against the law to turn right on red when the sign posted says you can't.

Neither one are crimes. They are neither felonies nor misdemeanors. They are what is called "violations".

Immigration courts are civil, not criminal, courts.

There are a FEW immigration laws the breaking of which DOES involve criminal matter. Those illegal immigrants are criminals.

Most are not.

This land is your land, this land is my land, from California,

Socialist twaddle! ;)

Unless you happen to be a citizen of that country, in which case it's not only your right but also your moral responsibility to try to change it for the better. :p

Doesn't that work both ways?

For me I think it is criminal for illegal immigrants to use our hospitals and other government services when they do not have the right to be here in the first place. If they come here because of oppression or persecution and seek asylum fine. But I know there are illegal immigrants here who have fake social security cards, and id's now THAT is criminal and all they are doing is making minority groups look bad by doing this sort of thing. Because unfortunately the ones who do this tend to be from the minority group.

My first experience with hajibi was pleasant. I asked her to join the Sabla but sure she didn’t.

Yesterday was not as pleasant but was rather interesting.

Went into HEB grocery store to pick up a few items and noticed a woman wearing hajib. She obviously stood out in the crowd and for more reasons than one. As luck would have it I ended up behind her at the check out. Our conversation went like this.

Jack: nice scarf
Hajib: cut a look that could kill
Jack and check out lady: giggles
Hajib: you think it’s funny? I’m a muslim and it’s not a scarf. My religion requires I wear this for modesty.
Jack: I’m an infidel and quoted her 8:59 … and then told her … I still think the LEOPARD skin print scarf looks cool … oh and very modest!
Hajib: pfttttttttt … am I going to have to call the manager for harassing me.
Jack: You can call the manager, police or ghostbusters if you’d like. What you going to tell them? :rolleyes:

I know that there are some issues with Muslimahs about what is considered modest and still practicing the faith such as having a plain scarf, dressing with everything like in Saudi, or being colorful like this lady.

I know that there are some issues with Muslimahs about what is considered modest and still practicing the faith such as having a plain scarf, dressing with everything like in Saudi, or being colorful like this lady.I understand but really this Leopard skin print just screamed ... LOOK AT ME!

And when people did this woman wanted to take offense and get pissy.

I dunno Jacko...I mean....a strange guy behind you in the queue at the supermarket commenting on your clothes..even with a compliment...might not a lot of women be uncomfortable with that? I mean, it might easily be taken either as unwanted attention or a sarcastic insult don't you think? What does Mrs Jack think? And in the current environment, choosing that item of clothing on a Muslim woman...I'm not surprised if she thought you were mocking her in some way.

And so what if she likes the leopard print? Just because she wants to cover her own beauty doesn't mean that she wants her clothes to be dull necessarily. A matter of taste surely? But some big scary grinning dude shuffles up behind her at WalMart and points at it? Come on man, after all your time here and knowing more than the average American about Muslim manners and sensibilities, you of all people surely would have known that a strange man going up to a woman and making a personal comment about her appearance would make her feel seriously uncomfortable.

I seem to remember a lot of anti-hejab comments along the lines of "can't a woman walk in the street without fear of being harassed just because she shows her hair?". Well, can't a woman wear a colourful hejab without being accosted by weirdos at the checkout?

Ufff....I'm sure you didn't mean any harm Jack, you're just an out-going dude and interested in talking to Muslim people and getting along with everyone. But approaching strange women is always a delicate issue my friend!

^^

I've made many compliments to Muslim girls wearing colorful hijabs and I've never gotten anything but a smile and a thank you. Sometimes they are impressed that I know what it's called.

I think if people perceive your intention as friendly, they are generally friendly back.

But I do think this woman sounds a bit of a harridan. Some people are just looking to get their backs up.

I think this stuff gets exaggerated sometimes.

I was reading yesterday about a non-Muslim policeman in Britain who gave a Muslim policeman a gag gift of bacon and wine.

The Muslim policeman laughed it off. "He's my friend, he's a good policeman, he was joking: Relax!"

The Muslim community group said the same thing: "Don't take this so seriously!"

It was the non-Muslim police bosses that fired the guy out of fear of "Muslim sensibilities."

We have to cut each other some slack. Non-Muslims should try to be careful and not wound feelings. Muslims should try to understand that some people are more forward or have a more cloddish sense of humor.

And for the most part, Muslims are JUST FINE about getting along with others here where I live.

What does Mrs Jack think?Well mimo I told Mrs jack about this when I got home.

Her answer was ... one more reason to not vote for obama. I don't get it but you know how women can be deficient in their thinking.

Take my word for it at least this time. This woman is a recent revert as yourself. I've seen her before around town.

Abolutlely nothing that you've said would apply to this situation or this woman.

Well mimo I told Mrs jack about this when I got home.

Her answer was ... one more reason to not vote for obama. I don't get it but you know how women can be deficient in their thinking.

Take my word for it at least this time. This woman is a recent revert as yourself. I've seen her before around town.

Abolutlely nothing that you've said would apply to this situation or this woman.

ROFL

You deserve a greenie.

Was she good looking ? I mean apart from the headscarf ?

http://www.simplyislam.com/images/products/58607.jpg

Was she good looking ? I mean apart from the headscarf ?IMO ...no ... the hajib did wanders for her beauty.

But ya know different strokes for different folks ... no problem.

As the initiler requested earlier, this thread had answered his concerned and according to him nothing more to discuss other that the off the main topic as usual.

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