Apparently there are a few people who take the advice of the Honorable Dr. Bilal Philips to heart.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/capt.b3b318e0355749e7b6a1fbb0e5a10000.germany_unic ef_photo_of_the_year_msc110.jpg

U.S. freelance photographer Stephanie Sinclair poses with her winning photo of the 'UNICEF Photo of the Year 2007' competition in Berlin, Germany, on Monday, Dec. 17, 2007. The photograph shot by U.S. freelance photographer Stephanie Sinclair shows a wedding couple in Afghanistan who could not be more opposite. The groom, Mohammed, looks much older than his 40 years. The bride, Ghulam, is still a child; she just turned 11

11 is the new 19.

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

go do something else....life is too short for this devotion....


there are guys who sleep with their doughters in your country as well....can u watch court TV where you live?

No I can't.

Please tell me about it.

Where is the photo?

Where is the photo?

have no fear mo-d is here
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1048831,00.jpg

More (http://www.npr.org/templates/common/image_enlargement.php?imageResId=5541107) and more (http://www.npr.org/templates/common/image_enlargement.php?imageResId=5541073).

He could not even wear some clean pants to his own wedding....

How would you like to be that girl and have that grizzled old dude want to get it on with you?

Oh man, that must be rough.

Shai, I predict you will soon be accused of some form of phobia.

BTW, those pictures are really sad.

I hope that we can somehow completely abolish this form of child abuse, no matter where it is practiced.

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

there are guys who sleep with their doughters in your country as well....can u watch court TV where you live?

Nobody is pretending that such things happen only in some parts of the world. I didn't think anybody was making judgements on a culture, ethnicity or religion.

But come on, a sanctified wedding between some middle aged man and a pubescent girl.

But if that is normal there, then I guess it is normal.

What a lucky old man. Did I just say that?

Shai has no phobia…he at least has more interest than some people who has been talking about Islam for ages and last week they surprised us by their ignorance in differentiating between zakah and charity!


Court TV… (J4T it is number 34 if you have suddenlink cable) …a TV that airs all kinds of crimes…a father rapes his daughter…a mother downs her children in the bath tub…a son kills his mother…a father slept with his son…a son spits on his mother…a son sues his mother over some cash…if I had the same phobia, I would have unlimited number of posts, the difference is that I value my time more…just Google it and post it…and keep on!
Thanks God that we don’t need to teach our kids how to dial 9-1-1…

What happens in Afghanistan is not different than what happens in the jungle of Africa…I am Muslim and I don’t believe in it! You cannot enforce a fact!

I live in USA and whatever good I saw I am the first who brings it up when comparison is discussed…and you know that if you read what I post.

I do not want to degrade my interests to googling and collecting stuff and post them here…I think my time is more valuable than that!

But upon your request, I can bring any statistics, on rape, child abuse, domestic abuse, you name it…and if you say “oh that is because we publish our stat but you don’t” then let any member whom you trust to tell you how things are in Oman and the Arab world in general compared to what I am seeing here.

I just find it silly and degrading and it tells a pathetic lack of interest and serious life to devote time to bashing on other people and religions…I don’t even know you…I don’t even know if you went beyond high school…so giving you the benefit of doubt and investing my time where and with whom its worth it, I rather do something else …

Sitting on a park bench
eyeing little girls with bad intent.
Snot running down his nose
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Drying in the cold sun
Watching as the frilly panties run.

I believe culture is a diverse phenomenon. It differ from a place to another..western just make it a big issue..

Pygmalion gave a good example.

in some western countries , cousin marriage is considered as a taboo, even in their old time it was a normal thing..In Oman it is common and it is normal.

In Afghanistan , old guy is marrying a young one might be a normal marriage..they accept that ... so why the world should bother...

I think we should all bother.

Child abuse is everyone's problem.

The sad thing about this girl is being a virgin and having this man old enough to be her grandfather is yes disgusting and if she gets pregnant by the union is her young body capable of withstanding such a pregancy or would there be complications. Not everything about a culture or society is correct. Maybe back in say hundreds of years ago there was a reason for young girls marrying like this but not today. Crap people there are issues that go on in even my society I hate so why can it not be acknowledge that an 11 year old and 40 year old getting married is sick??

I think we should all bother.

Child abuse is everyone's problem.

I agree with you it is abuse of children.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/abc_gma_coach_edit_070621_ms.jpg

Coach, 40, Weds 16-Year-Old Student

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285794,00.html

Some guys tried the explanation way, let me try this for wudjab and his friends so that they understand :). What a cruel world:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39183000/jpg/_39183870_girl_dog_afp300.jpg
SOURCE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3004930.stm)

The family members even forgot to get dressed!

What a cruel world :(!

Apparently there are a few people who take the advice of the Honorable Dr. Bilal Philips to heart.

According to a statement by UNICEF, the parents told Sinclair that they gave her daughter for marriage because, they say, "We needed the money."

Asked what she felt about the engagement, Ghulam said, "Nothing. I do not know this man. What am I supposed to feel?" The United Nations estimates that 50 percent of Afghan women are married before they reach the age of 18.
MM (http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2921)

If I remember correctly, we westerners had gone there to fight our holy war so that all the sh!t like this would soon end
You should try to look at all the sides of the [hi]story sometimes

what does the holy war have to do with anything????? :S

As it is said " if you point a finger to others remember 4 are pointing at yourself " enough said . But I agree with Pygmalion since I lived most of my life in the West an I have seen worst of the so called Western values. But lets us be honest here ..Its got nothing to do for being a Western or an Arab or any other nationality.. Men are men and women are women its the individual who commits the crime and we (Arabs -Muslims) act according to that one individual .. Sadly the West blame and accuse all ..

If you want to see the Western People Apart from what’s going on in their countries !check Bangkok they are no better than the Ones be it Arab Indian African when they pick young girls below age for their personal amusement . The bottom line is we are all alike ..Only manners differentiate us not ethnic background or religion .

Interesting.

All the negative commentators here have danced around the issue, pointing to similar issues in other countries.

Not one had the gonads to come out and say "It's wrong".

That speaks voluimes about a culture that refuses to acknowledge the corruption within, rather is always seeks to change track and point out that similar things happen elsewhere.

It's like the Aqsa Parvez honor killing in Toronto. Instead of the Islamic community coming out and saying "not in my religion" the spun in around saying "it was a home violence issue" and "it happens everywhere".

Yeah right.

My newspapers are full of stories about fathers strangling their daughters to death over the clothes they wear.

Its also against islam to murder so i guess those fathers arent exactly following islam :).
As for marrying young girls like this,its definitely wrong. it may be part of their culture, but we can call this a cultural problem.
We shouldnt just allow thing to happen because its part of our "culture".
Sometimes we should just take a moment and think "is it right?".

Woody

you placed this picture here without giving any background of the story as always pointing finger against Islam .
You are no better than the others .

No I am sorry, I did not go out of my way to dig this up.

This was on the front page of Yahoo yesterday and it caught my eye.

Islam is involved because one of your favourite preachers has publically said, and it's recorded on tape, that since Mohammed did it, it is perfectly legal for older men to marry young girls.

You'll have to take your complaints directly to Dr. Philips.

Some guys tried the explanation way, let me try this for wudjab and his friends so that they understand :). What a cruel world:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39183000/jpg/_39183870_girl_dog_afp300.jpg
SOURCE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3004930.stm)

The family members even forgot to get dressed!

What a cruel world :(!

The only difference, and I'm sure your limited capacities would have missed it, would be that the dog would not be having sex with the girl that night.

It's a symbolic thing, but I agree, its a cruel world and it's wrong.

Islam is involved because one of your favourite preachers has publically said, and it's recorded on tape, that since Mohammed did it, it is perfectly legal for older men to marry young girls.

You'll have to take your complaints directly to Dr. Philips.

I see you have no arguments to debate
If you take time to check all news about this picture, you will learn that it happened cause the family needed money and the man asked her in marriage cause it's centuries that is being done like that and the way Muhammad :PBUH: and Aisha got married dsnt resemble this at all
If you want to talk about 3rd world countries [cause this is the issue here] we can discuss why India government set up a registry for all newborns : is because the majority of population [regardless of religion ] usually kills the child immediately if is a girl, cause is considered a great misfortune
India and Afghanistan will remain 3rd world countries til all go there just cause of money and not really cause they're interested in their wealth

Islam is involved because one of your favourite preachers has publically said, and it's recorded on tape, that since Mohammed did it, it is perfectly legal for older men to marry young girls.

You'll have to take your complaints directly to Dr. Philips.

I agree with you.

Do you know who told this fellow?Coach, 40, Weds 16-Year-Old Student (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285794,00.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter_Da y_Saints

Yeah.

When I went to school, 16 > 11.

How was it when you went to school ?

There is also a huge difference in the two cases.

One wanted to get married to Chester and had her parents consent.

The other had no choice in the matter. She was sold to Chester.

progress?
http://archive.gulfnews.com/news/gulf/yemen/10175992.html

Interesting.

All the negative commentators here have danced around the issue, pointing to similar issues in other countries.

Not one had the gonads to come out and say "It's wrong".

That speaks voluimes about a culture that refuses to acknowledge the corruption within, rather is always seeks to change track and point out that similar things happen elsewhere.

It's like the Aqsa Parvez honor killing in Toronto. Instead of the Islamic community coming out and saying "not in my religion" the spun in around saying "it was a home violence issue" and "it happens everywhere".

Yeah right.

My newspapers are full of stories about fathers strangling their daughters to death over the clothes they wear.

If you read my post Wudjab I stated that "The bottom line is we are all alike ..Only manners differentiate us not ethnic background or religion ". the difference between us and you ( West and Islamic countries ) is that you generalize all acts on Islamic nation ..we dont :sunsmile:

God, this is just...appaling. It's horrific.

The sad thing about this girl is being a virgin and having this man old enough to be her grandfather is yes disgusting and if she gets pregnant by the union is her young body capable of withstanding such a pregancy or would there be complications. Not everything about a culture or society is correct. Maybe back in say hundreds of years ago there was a reason for young girls marrying like this but not today. Crap people there are issues that go on in even my society I hate so why can it not be acknowledge that an 11 year old and 40 year old getting married is sick??

Couldn't have said it better.

Although it was common among Muslims in the past, it was relevant for their time because during those days, no way a woman would survive without a man and thus the man would be doing the young woman a favor by marrying her and offering her protection with his life.

Today, however, things are different.

Scholars say 3orf "What is acceptable or not in our day" is seen as part of Islam if it does not go against its basic teachings.

Marriage is a Sunnah, no 3orf or anything else will change that. But to marry where or in what age, that can be changed according to 3orf.

As marianna said, it was normal before to marry in a very young age. Now, according to 3orf, it is seen as unacceptable, and Islam accepts this 3orf.

I'm not sure about the 3orf over there, but one thing I am sure of is that God will never bless a marriage which was done "as payment for a gambling debt."

I just find it silly and degrading and it tells a pathetic lack of interest and serious life to devote time to bashing on other people and religions…I don’t even know you…I don’t even know if you went beyond high school…so giving you the benefit of doubt and investing my time where and with whom its worth it, I rather do something else …


Wow you are really offended. Read my post again and realize I said nothing that you think I did. You must be confusing me with someone else.

I said "Nobody is pretending that such things happen only in some parts of the world. I didn't think anybody was making judgements on a culture, ethnicity or religion."

And you are the one making comparisons talking about court TV. If it is on Court TV then someone is being charged with a crime, which tells you that it is not sanctioned by society. And you compare that to a wedding ceremony?

Whatever...

And I already told you I graduated from UT Austin, which we all know is a better school than A&M. But I wll forgive you because you are just an Aggie and you don't know any better.:)

There is also a huge difference in the two cases.

One wanted to get married to Chester and had her parents consent.

The other had no choice in the matter. She was sold to Chester.
It's awesome how the assumption that this chick didn't want Mohammed is established here.

Nice under the table work Jack.

It's awesome how the assumption that this chick didn't want Mohammed is established here.

Nice under the table work Jack.Do your "due diligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_diligence)" and then come back and tell us what you think then.

I think this whole thread is pointless really. There's you saying "look, that's Islam". Then there's "they" saying 'No well, not really, coz you see ..'

Then there's me in the middle. Having donuts.

See ? Pointless, I tell ya.

Scholars say 3orf "What is acceptable or not in our day" is seen as part of Islam if it does not go against its basic teachings.

Marriage is a Sunnah, no 3orf or anything else will change that. But to marry where or in what age, that can be changed according to 3orf.

As marianna said, it was normal before to marry in a very young age. Now, according to 3orf, it is seen as unacceptable, and Islam accepts this 3orf.

I'm not sure about the 3orf over there, but one thing I am sure of is that God will never bless a marriage which was done "as payment for a gambling debt."


YES!! EXACTLY what I always try to say about these issues. And doesn't this example show for Muslims and non-Muslims alike how fluid the Quran is...& wisedom which can be found there....that an example as this marriage once was deemed accetable for that time period BECAUSE of certain circumstances during years past--i.e. protection of women due to harsh conditinos but now in the 21stcentury.............and as society evolves one can change according to what UmKhalid points out when it comes to 3orf.............marriages like this simply are not acceptable for our day.........

Wow you are really offended. Read my post again and realize I said nothing that you think I did. You must be confusing me with someone else.

I said "Nobody is pretending that such things happen only in some parts of the world. I didn't think anybody was making judgements on a culture, ethnicity or religion."

And you are the one making comparisons talking about court TV. If it is on Court TV then someone is being charged with a crime, which tells you that it is not sanctioned by society. And you compare that to a wedding ceremony?

Whatever...

And I already told you I graduated from UT Austin, which we all know is a better school than A&M. But I wll forgive you because you are just an Aggie and you don't know any better.:)


Jihad... I was not replying to you...
My reply was to a desperate offer I got in my inbox...
So I dont have to read your post...my post has nothing to do with yours... I never pointed to you or your post!
I remember you told me being a broken horn :)...(All that "You" in my reply goes to our news reporter not to you)

Now...Could you prove me this long horn is better than any aggie? :cool: .....