Pork

[malak84]

Salam everyone ....

ofcourse the title says everything , the subject is, Why pork is Prohibited in Islam? But i have found recently that pork is not only prohibited in Islam its has been mentioned in the Bilble as well ...

(Its a qoute from somwhere).

Muslims' abstention from pork eating is
in adherence to the Qur'anic Law which states:

" Forbidden to you for (food) are: dead meat,
blood and the flesh of the swine and that
which hath been invoked the name other than
Allah. "
Holy Qur'an 5:4

Such prohibition is also found in the Bible:

" The pig also because it is a splitter of the
hoof but there is no cud. It is unclean for
you. None of their flesh must you eat and carcass
you must not touch. "
Deuteronomy 14:8 ( Bible)
Islam ( an Arabic word which means submission to the will
of the Almighty God) has laid down the foundation for the best
approach in keeping good health. In the Holy Qur'an (The Last
Testament ) God exhorts the believers to select the best food and
to stay away from any harmful food to maintain good health:

" Let him find out which is the best food
( to be had ) ... Eat of the best foods We
have provided for you . "

( Holy Qur'an 18:19;7:160 )

The main purpose of a True Religion must be to build an ideal
community in this world ; a religion that promotes moral,
political and economic well;social harmony and peace, as well as
good health of its believers or followers.
Health means the physical and mental well-being and freedom
from diseases and pain.There are several passages in the Bible,
articulating that because of sin ( a transgression of the law of
God) God afflicted human beings with maladies (Ps.103:3;Exodus
15:26 and Psalms 107:16-20).Islamic instructions and teachings
espousing health consciousness have scriptural and scientific
support.

For me i didnt know before that it has been mentioned thins in the Bible, then i was wondering a big number of christian people do eat it and denying that its not good for the humen health......

So what do you think .. :rolleyes:

:angel:

[Intellective]

I did know that pork was forbidden to christian as it was mentioned in bibble,and many other stuff which are forbiden in islam are forbiden to christians as well coz they are closer to muslims than any other religion in this world.

[malak84]

Yes thats what i thought as well. its known that the Holy Quran and Bible have similer things , like scarf as well it has been mentioned in Bible that the women should cover her self so as in Quran .... But Pork issue does attract me more cos a very Great number of people denay that is UN healthy thats why its forbbedin.....

[Intellective]

They are escaping from the truth,Its forbidden in religion and its more clear thats its not healthy for their own benefits but ppl keep on eating it. They just dont get it. Its disgusting pork eat shit yuukky :yuk: :Sick: :yuk: .That makes wana puke.

[wudjab]

same old same old.....

In the New Testament Jesus said :


Matthew 15:10-11
"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " "

And again in Matthew 15:16-20

""Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. "Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony,
slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' " "

do you see the difference ?


Its disgusting pork eat shit yuukky .That makes wana puke.

completely untrue. pigs are no cleaner or dirtier than any other animals.

[wudjab]

Yes thats what i thought as well. its known that the Holy Quran and Bible have similer things...

not at all surprising since we know which one came first.

[amo_l_oman]

Verses of Deuteronomy and Leviticus are believed by many Christians to be addressed only to Jewsh so that's maybe they don't consider pork forbidden.
Plus Christianity is a secular religion, which leads many to make "freely" their own choices when is about practical things so i assume that if they think pork is not unhealthy in proper ways then they eat.
Thanks Wudja for the reminder or maybe is a discovery for many ;)

[Scorpio27]

Good Thread in deed:)

PIG looks like a huge Rat. I have few friends here who are christian but don't eat pork.

[Scorpio27]

Now a day I came to know that even people have started eating Monkey brains, nakes and other stupid things. So Pig could be excused. :(

[Wanderer]

I roasted a huge pork loin last night.

First I lightly coated it with olive oil, then sprinkled with Kosher salt, fresh cracked Black Pepper, Paprika, Garlic powder, and finally with crushed Rosemary herb.

Put into oven (fat side up) at 450 (F) for 40 minutes then reduced heat to 325 (F) till internal temp of the meat was ~ 175 (F). Removed from the oven and covered with aluminium foil so that it would continue to cook.

I saved the pan drippings to make a gravy. I was too tired to do that last night. But tonight I'll heat them with some butter and wine and wisk in some flour to make a gravy.

I'm glad no superstitions keep me from enjoying it - or a cold beer.


Malak84:

You wrote: "The main purpose of a True Religion must be to build an ideal
community in this world ; a religion that promotes moral,
political and economic well;social harmony and peace, as well as
good health of its believers or followers. "

But this wouldn't be true if the god was a warrior god or a god of destruction. A warrior god would want the followers of the True Religion (remember, every believer believes theirs to be True) to fight and win and wouldn't give a krap about all this peace and harmony talk.

[CrazyReD]

well thats another issue

dosn't pork have the tape worm disease?
which is transmitted to humans if they eat it?

[wudjab]

don't cows have mad cow disease ?
which is transmitted to humans if they eat it ?

[Wanderer]

don't chickens have that Salmonella disease ?
which is transmitted to humans if they eat it ?

[CrazyReD]

same old same old.....

In the New Testament Jesus said :


Matthew 15:10-11
"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " "

And again in Matthew 15:16-20

""Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. "Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony,
slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' " "



so this won't be true?

and all pigs cause tape worm

but not all cows do ;)

[Wanderer]

well thats another issue


Then perhaps a suggestion as to why your religion prohibits pork.

Muslims got the prohibition from the Jews
Jews got the prohibition from the Egyptians.

From Egyptian mythology -

"Set * was identified with the Apep serpent of night and storm, and in certain myths the pig takes the place of the serpent. It was the Set pig, for instance, that fed upon the waning moon, which was the left eye of Horus. How his right eye, the sun, was once blinded is related in a Heliopolitan myth. Horus sought, it appears, to equal Ra, and desired to see all things that had been created. Ra delivered him a salutory lesson by saying: "Behold the black pig". Horus looked, and immediately one of his eyes (the sun) was destroyed by a whirlwind of fire. Ra said to the other gods: "The pig will be abominable to Horus". For that reason pigs were never sacrificed to him.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/eml/eml08.htm

* Set (Seth, Setekh, Sut, Sutekh, Suty) was one of ancient Egypt's earliest gods, a god of chaos, confusion, storms, wind, the desert and foreign lands. In the Osiris legends, he was a contender to the throne of Osiris and rival to Horus, but a companion to the sun god Ra. Originally worshiped and seen as an ambivalent being, during the Third Intermediate Period the people vilified him and turned him into a god of evil.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/set.htm


The Jewish and Muslim prohibitions aginst consuming pork are probably little more than faint echos of Egyptian mythology which was somehow inserted/incorporated into the belief systems of Jews living in Egypt and later continued by the early propagators of Islam.

[CrazyReD]

don't chickens have that Salmonella disease ?


mm whats that?
and do all chickens have it?

[CrazyReD]

well duh

Same god
Muslims belive in previous prophits

and who did the egyptians take it from?

[Wanderer]

so this won't be true?

I think the Biblical quote has to do with being spiritually clean or unclean, not free of disease.


and all pigs cause tape worm but not all cows do ;) c

Not sure that's true.

And keep in mind that to the Pig, humans are the source of tapeworms.

[NaBHaN]

I'm glad no superstitions keep me from enjoying it - or a cold beer.

superstitions? hmm.. If you want to be part of the religion sabla discussions then have the least bit of respect towards other people's beliefs. there is no need to mock islam in every single thread you participate in..and whether u want to admit it or not..it was scientifically proven that pigs do carry diseases cause of their obvious dirty life style.

now if u want to eat it and enjoy it..then thats your business , but dont deny facts that are clear as day. we all know you're smarter than that.

[CrazyReD]

how are humans the source?

[Wanderer]

superstitions? hmm.. If you want to be part of the religion sabla discussions then have the least bit of respect towards other people's beliefs. there is no need to mock islam in every single thread you participate in..and whether u want to admit it or not..it was scientifically proven that pigs do carry diseases cause of their obvious dirty life style..

Yes, superstition. Can you prove that a god is unhappy if you eat pork? NO, you can't.

I'm not mocking Islam. I pointed out that Judiasm suffers form many of the same problems.

If a "dirty life style" is the cause of disease, how did your Prophet get sick ?




now if u want to eat it and enjoy it..then thats your business , but dont deny facts that are clear as day. we all know you're smarter than that.

I'm smart enough to know that no god is offended if I eat pork and that it may be safely consumed. Question is, why aren't you that smart ?

[Wanderer]

how are humans the source?

Pigs catch tapeworm infections from humans. They are an intermediate host.

"All tapeworms spend the adult phase of their lives as parasites in the gut of a vertebrate animal (called the primary host). Most tapeworms spend part of their life cycle in the tissues of one or more other animals (called intermediate hosts), which may be vertebrates or arthropods."

Humans poop. Poop gets into water supply and on plants. Animals (pigs, cows, fish) are exposed and contract tapeworm. People eat infected animals and poop.

http://www.bartleby.com/65/ta/tapeworm.html

[malak84]

posted by wudjab..

In the New Testament Jesus said :

Matthew 15:10-11
"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " "

Hello ...
for me that doesnt make any sence , cos if what goes into men mouth is always clean then the body will be clean for sure and nothing will come out unclean ....

And again in Matthew 15:16-20

""Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. "Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony,
slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' " "

do you see the difference ?

i didnt understand whats murder, adultery ..etc is doing with our topic ...

completely untrue. pigs are no cleaner or dirtier than any other animals

The starnge thing is, the earth is created like a ball its never like abox and it will never change ,Animals since they are created at the start until now nothing does change in them , So what was unhealthy to Humen is still unhealthy ...Pigs are still Pigs nothing changed ,,,,,chilli is Hot that will never change..SO how come there is new and old Bible....?

[malak84]

posted by wudjab..

completely untrue. pigs are no cleaner or dirtier than any other animals.

SO what are the other animals which are dirty then the Pig?

[malak84]

not at all surprising since we know which one came first.

Am not suprised at All becouse I belive in Bible But not the nowadays one that you can change it anytime , the orignal one which has been reaveled.... ;) But what make me suprise is somthin clear in the Book has been mentioned and a great number of people deny it :rolleyes: why do you follow the Book then ....

[malak84]

I roasted a huge pork loin last night.

First I lightly coated it with olive oil, then sprinkled with Kosher salt, fresh cracked Black Pepper, Paprika, Garlic powder, and finally with crushed Rosemary herb.

Put into oven (fat side up) at 450 (F) for 40 minutes then reduced heat to 325 (F) till internal temp of the meat was ~ 175 (F). Removed from the oven and covered with aluminium foil so that it would continue to cook.

I saved the pan drippings to make a gravy. I was too tired to do that last night. But tonight I'll heat them with some butter and wine and wisk in some flour to make a gravy.

I'm glad no superstitions keep me from enjoying it - or a cold beer.


Malak84:

You wrote: "The main purpose of a True Religion must be to build an ideal
community in this world ; a religion that promotes moral,
political and economic well;social harmony and peace, as well as
good health of its believers or followers. "

But this wouldn't be true if the god was a warrior god or a god of destruction. A warrior god would want the followers of the True Religion (remember, every believer believes theirs to be True) to fight and win and wouldn't give a krap about all this peace and harmony talk.

Hello ..

It seems that you are a good cooker there,Good that you enjoyed your meal ;) ...

well wandrer I didnt open this thread to order people not to eat pork ..everyone has got his/her own mind to think about thier Health and the wisdom behind the forbbidnce of not eatin pork .....Its my Job as humen if i know some information just to share it with others in order for them to know about it, If you belive it or not its up to you ;)

[malak84]

don't cows have mad cow disease ?
which is transmitted to humans if they eat it ?

MEDICAL ASPECT OF THE PROHIBITION

Abstention from eating pork is a measure to safeguard
health.Of all the domestic animals, pig is the most
avaricious, eating anything including human excreta. It is the
cradle of harmful germs and parasites. Its meat is carrier of
diseases to man, thus making it unfit for human consumption.

[EarThQuaKe]

Why is eating pig's (pork's) meat prohibited in islam? What are the reasons?

Does anyone know?

[Wanderer]

MEDICAL ASPECT OF THE PROHIBITION

Abstention from eating pork is a measure to safeguard
health....Its meat is carrier of
diseases to man, thus making it unfit for human consumption.

If this is the test or standard for a prohibition, then eating chickens should be forbidden. Raw or undercooked chicken and their eggs are a source of much infection in humans - particularly dangerous to children and elderly.

Cooked chicken = OK
Raw chicken = not so good an idea

Cooked pork = OK
Raw pork = not so good an idea

Cooked salmon or tuna = OK
Raw salmon or tuna, placed on seasoned rice with a dab of wasabi = great.

[EarThQuaKe]

If this is the test or standard for a prohibition, then eating chickens should be forbidden. Raw or undercooked chicken and their eggs are a source of much infection in humans - particularly dangerous to children and elderly.

Cooked chicken = OK
Raw chicken = not so good an idea

Cooked pork = OK
Raw pork = not so good an idea

Cooked salmon or tuna = OK
Raw salmon or tuna, placed on seasoned rice with a dab of wasabi = great.

I agree with your statement.

[Wanderer]

Hello ..

Its my Job as humen if i know some information just to share it with others in order for them to know about it, If you belive it or not its up to you ;)


I am doing the same thing. :angel:

[Scorpio27]

I was trying to search and foundthe under quoted texts interresting, hope you will find it int 2..Thanks



Subject: Re: Pork in the bible
From: rv-ga on 18 Apr 2002 14:17 PDT
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=34

Please note that this was required by God of His people in the Old Testament.
He set up many laws to keep His people pure. As pigs were seen as animals that
ate garbage etc. God called them unclean. Pigs/pork was not an acceptable
sacrifice for the attonement for sins. However, in the New Testament, this law
was "lifted." Because of Jesus' death on the cross (and resurrection),
sacrifices were no longer needed as Jesus was the final sacrifice and faith in
Him was the only way man could be pure before God. It was no longer necessary
for God's people to leave by these strict rules. God declares this once
unclean food clean in the following passage in a dream to Peter.
Acts 11:4-10
"4Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened:
5"I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw
something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners,
and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four-footed animals
of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7Then I heard a
voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.'
8"I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my
mouth.'
9"The voice spoke from heaven a second time, 'Do not call anything impure that
God has made clean.' 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up
to heaven again."

Subject: Re: Pork in the bible
From: benjammin-ga on 14 Jun 2002 16:43 PDT
Hi rv-ga

In the New Testament, St. Paul's main message about the Old Testament
Law is that Law is sin. It is impossible for us to keep to all the 613
Mosaic Laws and so inevitably we sin. Therefore, Paul says, we must do
away with the written law and instead the law must come from our
hearts. He says that it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you
have faith in God. There's nothing wrong with keeping the kosher food
laws, but it is not necessary. If you feel guilty eating pork, then
don't do it, because that is a sin. But if you do not feel guilty, and
this was true for the Gentiles who Paul was preaching too, it does not
matter what you eat.

This sentiment is backed up by Jesus in Matthew's Gospel (New
International Version)

Matthew 15:10-11
"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What
goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes
out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' " "

And again in Matthew 15:16-20
""Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. "Don't you see that
whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the
body? But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart,
and these make a man 'unclean.' For out of the heart come evil
thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony,
slander. These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed
hands does not make him 'unclean.' " "

Both Jesus and Paul said that it did not matter what you ate which
included pork. As has been said before, the Old Testament clearly
states that pork is forbidden under the kosher laws which is why some
Jewish people do not eat pork. Christian doctrine however, does not
accept kosher food laws for the reasons noted above.

[wudjab]

...do you see the difference ?

i didnt understand whats murder, adultery ..etc is doing with our topic ...

the point is tha God is more concerned about what comes out out / your action (evil thought, adultery, murder, etc) of you rather that what you eat or drink.

unlike some other religion, Christianity is not focussed on the minor details of life, like whether you can pluck your eyebrows, or which foot to put your shoe on first.


completely untrue. pigs are no cleaner or dirtier than any other animals

If you keep any animal with crap it will live with crap. because people think pigs are dirty they keep them in dirty conditions. modern pig farming is very much like cattle and poultry farming. no better, no worse.


Am not suprised at All becouse I belive in Bible But not the nowadays one that you can change it anytime , the orignal one which has been reaveled.... But what make me suprise is somthin clear in the Book has been mentioned and a great number of people deny it why do you follow the Book then ....

when you can product the ORIGINAL Quran, not the one othman published we can continue this discussion.


.. well wandrer I didnt open this thread to order people not to eat pork ..everyone has got his/her own mind to think about thier Health and the wisdom behind the forbbidnce of not eatin pork .....Its my Job as humen if i know some information just to share it with others in order for them to know about it, If you belive it or not its up to you

then you should restrict your discussion to why moslems should not eat pork. you do not need to question why Christians eat pork because it is beyond the scope of your understanding.


Abstention from eating pork is a measure to safeguard health.Of all the domestic animals, pig is the most avaricious, eating anything including human excreta. It is the cradle of harmful germs and parasites. Its meat is carrier of diseases to man, thus making it unfit for human consumption.

where did you copy these medical facts from ?

[DeeZeL]

The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:


1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an



The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.


2. Pork prohibited in the Bible



The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
[Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.


3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases



The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.


4. Pork has fat building material

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.


5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth


The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.


6. Pig is the most shameless animal


The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years. According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.

source (http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/mcqnm.htm)

[jack]

It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate.Now this is halarious ...

Do they do it with grunts ... body language or what?

[DeeZeL]

I guess "or what"

[wudjab]

that was pretty funny.

do they send out invites or e-vites ?

and is it one friend at a time or a gang bang ?

(excuse me, but that is the dumbest, most ridiculous comment I have ever seen on any forum ever)

[EarThQuaKe]

The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:


1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an



The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.
The verse does not provide any reason what so ever of WHY exactly its forbidden. By the way, its not dead meat, its a dead animal.



3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases


The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

So many other animals contribute to the disease factor. Cattles, goats and rabbits as an example.



4. Pork has fat building material

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.
Do you mean that those 50% got this disease from eating pork. This is unbelievable. This is not a good reason for it.



5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth


The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.
Honey is made by regurgitadtion. Its made up of chemicals harmful to human beings. Why is oit counted as a heeling substance in the Quran.


6. Pig is the most shameless animal


The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years. According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.

source (http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/mcqnm.htm) [/QUOTE]
Male goats mate with thier mothers. Why do you eat goat's meat?

Why is pork meat forbidden in islam?

[DeeZeL]

The verse does not provide any reason what so ever of WHY exactly its forbidden. By the way, its not dead meat, its a dead animal.

it is true that it doesnt explain why is it forbidden, but it says it does. So maybe it is sufficient for a Muslim to be convinced that pork meat is forbidden, and btw..the dead meat (or animal) wasn't refering to pigs, the word used to refer for pigs is swine:

Any of various omnivorous, even-toed ungulates of the family Suidae, including pigs, hogs, and boars, having a stout body with thick skin, a short neck, and a movable snout.



So many other animals contribute to the disease factor. Cattles, goats and rabbits as an example.

Not the healthy ones I guess. AFAIK, most of the diesease coming from these animals result from the fact that they actually had the disease before they were eaten.




Do you mean that those 50% got this disease from eating pork. This is unbelievable. This is not a good reason for it.p

Maybe the answer was too overgeneralized I admit, but why not considering that pork meat contributes mostly to hypertension to those 50%?




Honey is made by regurgitadtion. Its made up of chemicals harmful to human beings. Why is oit counted as a heeling substance in the Quran.

I like to read an article about that, because I didnt know that before to be honest.


Male goats mate with thier mothers. Why do you eat goat's meat?

Ok, maybe that 6th point is false...I apologize for presenting it.

[EarThQuaKe]

it is true that it doesnt explain why is it forbidden, but it says it does. So maybe it is sufficient for a Muslim to be convinced that pork meat is forbidden, and btw..the dead meat (or animal) wasn't refering to pigs, the word used to refer for pigs is swine:
I know exactly what was meant by a dead animal. I am not talking about convincing nor obeying. I am asking one question. WHY?. Do you have an answer?


Not the healthy ones I guess. AFAIK, most of the diesease coming from these animals result from the fact that they actually had the disease before they were eaten.
If the pig was checked and it had no disease what so ever. Will it be forbidden to eat it?


Maybe the answer was too overgeneralized I admit, but why not considering that pork meat contributes mostly to hypertension to those 50%?
So many food is considered unhealthy. Why was it not forbidden?



I like to read an article about that, because I didnt know that before to be honest.
Read the Quran, more beneficial.



Ok, maybe that 6th point is false...I apologize for presenting it.
No harm done brother. :)

[DeeZeL]

If the pig was checked and it had no disease what so ever. Will it be forbidden to eat it?

The guy said "Eating of pork can cause..." instead of "Eating of pork infected with (insert worm name here or w/e) can cause.." so it means that the disease comes from the MEAT of the pork itself...not from anything infecting it or w/e, also could be actually to the answer why it is forbidden, coz its biologicaly harmful.



So many food is considered unhealthy. Why was it not forbidden?

Mind giving me some example? and why they are unhealthy?



Read the Quran, more beneficial.

Post the verse, much more quicker.

[EarThQuaKe]

The guy said "Eating of pork can cause..." instead of "Eating of pork infected with (insert worm name here or w/e) can cause.." so it means that the disease comes from the MEAT of the pork itself...not from anything infecting it or w/e, also could be actually to the answer why it is forbidden, coz its biologicaly harmful.
So it CAN cause, not a fact that it does. This is not a reason for forbidden it. How could eating pork meat biologicaly harmful. Western society is healthier than arabs.




Mind giving me some example? and why they are unhealthy?
Snikers & Mars.





Post the verse, much more quicker.
:zzz:

[PhaHaDde]

Salam,

Apart from pork. Only food that are harmful for us are genetically modified food & those with of preservatives containing chemicals. Junk food is also bad for our health.
Plus too much of anything is not good. For example beef is healthy but too much of it is not.

Cheers..

[EarThQuaKe]

Salam,

Apart from pork. Only food that are harmful for us are genetically modified food & those with of preservatives containing chemicals. Junk food is also bad for our health.
Plus too much of anything is not good. For example beef is healthy but too much of it is not.

Cheers..

Great. Does this mean that pork was not forbidden because its unhealthy, but because of other reasons.

What are these reasons?

[DeeZeL]

So it CAN cause, not a fact that it does. This is not a reason for forbidden it.

I guess it a good reason of forbiding it if it CAN cause...with a high probability.




How could eating pork meat biologicaly harmful. Western society is healthier than arabs.

I think thats because of their eating habbits or diets, and the fact that their food (and I dont mean pork..they do take care of it but thats not my point) is more hygenic than arabs.



Snikers & Mars.

yeah man....those are the main reason why human beings can't carry trucks single handed.


@ PhaHaDde: Agreed.

[EarThQuaKe]

I guess it a good reason of forbiding it if it CAN cause...with a high probability.
Why isnt there any fatwa concerning goats and cattle after the mad cow disease and foot and mouth disease. They can cause disease, they must forbid eating them.





I think thats because of their eating habbits or diets, and the fact that their food (and I dont mean pork..they do take care of it but thats not my point) is more hygenic than arabs.
Maybe because of the pork they are eating.




yeah man....those are the main reason why human beings can't carry trucks single handed.
:D


@ PhaHaDde: Agreed.
Do you mind telling me again, why is pork forbidden?

[DeeZeL]

Why isnt there any fatwa concerning goats and cattle after the mad cow disease and foot and mouth disease. They can cause disease, they must forbid eating them.

Sick ones, yeah they should be forbidden to be sold/eaten. Healthy ones, no.




Maybe because of the pork they are eating.

I wouldn't mind putting so into consideration, yes pork meat do have some descent amount of protein..nevertheless, it has more side effects..so why should you eat it. It like people here in Egypt who drink beer because it is 'Healthy for the kidney'..as if that fact makes it halal =/.




Do you mind telling me again, why is pork forbidden?

Just look at the damn thing :p :p :p ...jk.

[Wanderer]

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.

True. If you are a believer, then a command from God should be adequate.





3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases

The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science.

Oh goody. Will you be presenting any ?




Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases.
nother dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.

What study ? By whom ? When ? Just making up that some study said such and so isn't evidence of anything but that you're likely making things up or propagating a lie.





4. Pork has fat building material

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.

This is true of cheese and crackers too.




5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth

In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs..

Sounds more like that human villagers are "one of the filthiest animals on earth". Perhaps if people didn't poop into teh pigs food supply, pigs wouldn't get infected.



6. Pig is the most shameless animal

Why would you expect an animal to feel shame ?




" In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.

LOL

I am not aware of these American Pork Wife Swapping Dance Parties. I suspect that the children produced, though, would look like Arabs.


What is this crap ?

[EarThQuaKe]

What is this crap ?

Thank you, thank you and thank you.

[DeeZeL]

Did someone actually look at the link that says source and clicked on the question that regards pork? This article is not written by me, but I thought it was something worth reading.

[Wanderer]

Not the healthy ones I guess. AFAIK, most of the diesease coming from these animals result from the fact that they actually had the disease before they were eaten.


Uh, unbelievable. Are you educated ?

Any diseases one may catch from chicken, pork, beef, fish, require that that animal already be carrying the disease causing organisms.

There is no magic that converts chicken, pork, beef, or fish into disease the moment it touches your tongue.

[Wanderer]

This article is not written by me, but I thought it was something worth reading.

Ah, that answers my question to you about your education.

I must strongly encourage you to go and get an education now.

[DeeZeL]

Ah, that answers my question to you about your education.

I must strongly encourage you to go and get an education now.

That's fun! thanks for confirming to me that there are actually worse people than sick arogants on our planet...oh wait, actually you are one of them =/.

Here's a note for you to add to your educational skills:

It seriously wont kill you if you discussed an issue in a proper way, and if you feel like its not worth discussing, simply ignore it.

[Wanderer]

The guy said "Eating of pork can cause..." instead of "Eating of pork infected with (insert worm name here or w/e) can cause.." so it means that the disease comes from the MEAT of the pork itself...not from anything infecting it or w/e, also could be actually to the answer why it is forbidden, coz its biologicaly harmful..

You posted from this site:

"what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. We Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because we are peace loving and non-violent people."


Aieeeeeeee ! My head will explode with this nonsense. If I eat a salmon, I will want to swim upstream and lay 100,000 eggs; if I eat a Moose, I will crave muffins; if I eat a chicken, I will want to rise before dawn and yell "the Sun is coming, the Sun is coming" to annoy my neighbors; if I eat a mushroom, I will wish for damp cloudy days and will build my home out of decaying logs; if I eat an octopus, I will want to hug you.

I suspect you nibbled on some monkey at some point in your life. :p

[PhaHaDde]

Why isnt there any fatwa concerning goats and cattle after the mad cow disease and foot and mouth disease. They can cause disease, they must forbid eating them.

Salam,

Goats & cattles after mad cow disease. They were not forbidden because the disease was there for certain time. Also not all cows had the disease so can't issue a general fatwa.
Plus the reason to avoid those meet after mad cow disease are obvious, but with pork moslems only knew it is forbidden & later the new medicine showed the disadvantages of pork meet.


The new medicine has shown that the pork meet is harmful for some reasons:

1) Pork meet has high cholestrol.
2) Pork meet causes Colon, blood & breast cancer.
3) Warms that will cause lung infections.
4) Different types of warms that can cause bad diseases.

It's enough for us moslems to know its forbidden for us to eat pork meet or any of its products. When the apple was forbidden for Prophet adam to eat, he did not ask why. We have to obey what Allah & our Prophet mohammad (SWAS) asked us to do & avoid what they asked us to avoid.

Cheers..

[Wanderer]

It seriously wont kill you if you discussed an issue in a proper way, and if you feel like its not worth discussing, simply ignore it.

Would your "proper way" to discuss things include repeating nonsense ?

LOL

I seriously suggest you go and get a microwavable dinner that has pieces of owl in it. They are wise birds and you will acquire their wisdom.


Of course, you will also develop a craving for mice and to stay up late at night in a barn.

... with the pigs.

[Wanderer]

The new medicine has shown that the pork meet is harmful for some reasons:

2) Pork meet causes Colon, blood & breast cancer.


"Researchers concluded that diet and a family history of colorectal cancer were the primary risk factors for the disease in the Chinese population. After accounting for all other risk factors, a high intake of red meat -- including beef and pork -- doubled the risk of colorectal cancer. No rise was seen for those reporting increased consumption of other meats or seafood. Eating vegetables was associated with a reduction in risk.

People who ate lots of red meat and few vegetables were more than 2.5 times more likely to get colon cancer. Eating lots of vegetables reduced the risk only slightly in those who also ate large amounts of red meat, but the risk was still almost double that of the healthy population. No other food groups -- including soy, legumes or fruit -- were found to have an impact on risk.

http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/53/61207.htm?printing=true


So we see the risk with eating large amounts of pork AND BEEF . Not exclusive to pork and must be in large quantity.

Perhap you can provide a study that supports your "pork only" assertion ?

[Wanderer]

"After more than 500, 000 person-years of follow-up, 150 cases of colon cancer had been documented. A positive correlation was found between the consumption of animal fat and the risk of colon cancer. Women who ate beef, pork or lamb as a main dish every day had a significantly greater risk of colon cancer than women who ate meat as a main dish less than once a month. Consumption of liver and processed meats was also associated with an increased risk of colon cancer."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3225/is_n5_v43/ai_10894279


Again, quantity of meat consumed - beef, pork or lamb is the suspect, not just a piece of pork.

[PhaHaDde]

"Researchers concluded that diet and a family history of colorectal cancer were the primary risk factors for the disease in the Chinese population. After accounting for all other risk factors, a high intake of red meat -- including beef and pork -- doubled the risk of colorectal cancer. No rise was seen for those reporting increased consumption of other meats or seafood. Eating vegetables was associated with a reduction in risk.

People who ate lots of red meat and few vegetables were more than 2.5 times more likely to get colon cancer. Eating lots of vegetables reduced the risk only slightly in those who also ate large amounts of red meat, but the risk was still almost double that of the healthy population. No other food groups -- including soy, legumes or fruit -- were found to have an impact on risk.

http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/53/61207.htm?printing=true


So we see the risk with eating large amounts of pork AND BEEF . Not exclusive to pork and must be in large quantity.

Perhap you can provide a study that supports your "pork only" assertion ?


The information you provided are definitely true.
Our topic is about Pork.
Since you are interested in the 2nd reason I mentioned then may be you can open another thread to discuss the causes of cancer or types of food that causes cancer. It's gonna be a very informative thread.

cheers..

[Wanderer]

The new medicine has shown that the pork meet is harmful for some reasons:

3) Warms that will cause lung infections.
4) Different types of warms that can cause bad diseases.

.

This is true of beef, birds, and fish too. That's why you should cook foods properly and use hygenic food handling techniques.

"The fish roundworm , Anisakis simplex is acquired by eating raw or undercooked fish, including any pickled, marinated, and salted marine life. They are large, bright red worms that can be seen with the naked eye in the flesh of any type of fish -- freshwater, marine, or brackish water. They can remain very active, even after the death of the fish. The larvae normally mature in wading birds, especially after they eat minnows. It takes only one larva to cause an infection in humans. Misdiagnosis is common since it mimics such other diseases as acute appendicitis, Crohn's disease, gastric ulcers, or gastrointestinal cancer. Some chronic cases have lasted a year. Some have had a tickling sensation in the throat and have coughed up the worm and manually removed it before being swallowed again. Symptoms of nausea can persist after the expulsion of the worm (no doubt after something like that!) because the parasite can leave lesions containing remnants of the worm. If the parasite is able to penetrate the intestinal wall, peritonitis can result, leading to death."

http://www.innvista.com/health/microbes/parasite/round.htm

Sounds like fish should be forbidden if only 1 roundworm can lead to coughing up a big red worm later !!!

Do you feel a little tickle in your throat ? Probably a worm.

[Wanderer]

Do you feel a little tickle on your bottom sometimes ?

Probably a worm.

:yuk:




... from some undercooked fish or chicken.


Good thing you don't eat pork.

[EarThQuaKe]

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Allah forbade pork's meat in 4 places in quran.

1. He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful. {Albaqara 173}

2. Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. {alma'eda 3}

3. Say: "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination - or, what is impious, (meat) on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah's". But (even so), if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- thy Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. {Alan'am 145}

4. He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. {alnahl 115}

And allah said:
for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); {ala'raf 157}

Whenever muslims were asked about pork and eating its meat. It seams that they have only one answer consisting of few parts. Simply said, its unhealthy and dirty.

They dont know that this does more harm than good to islam. No one proved it from what is said from quran and sunnah. There is no verse in the quran nor a hadeeth in the sunnah stating that pork was borbidden because its unhealthy & unclean.

There are two types of forbidden doings. One is forbidden because the harm is in it and one is forbidden because of what it leads to and cause. Examples are: Alcohol is not forbidden because its alcohol, but because it wastes the mind of the person who drinks it. This means that if the alcohol has no possibility of getting that person drunk (0.00000 infinity %) then its halal. Like making perfumes, first aid and other stuff that has no possibility of it being digested and harm the brain by any means. The reasons in this is that banning the reason means that any chemical or substance that has alcohol's effects is included and muslims have no reason whatsoever to believe that weed or any other stuff is permitted because it has not been mentioned in the quran nor the sunnah.

In the other hand, dead animals and pork's meat weere forbidden for what harm they have not because of what they lead to. Everyone knows for sure that pork carry and transmitt so many diseases, which might be & is one of the reasons its forbidden, but its not the main and major reason.

If the main reason of pork's meat was forbidden because of these diseases, then a study, genetics modification and the correct way of harbouring will lead to the ellimination of the reason and the permitting of pork's meat would be a must, which contradicts muslim's sayings, but not islam because you will never find a verse nor a hadeeth that specifies the prohibition of prok's meat because of its ability to transmitt diseases.

We know that pork's meat is impure because this is mentioned in the quran. For me and the rest of true believers ( I wish I could be one) its more than enough to stop us eating it. There are actions that has no reason to believers except that they need to do them or stop doing them; like Hajj, prayers and pork's meat could be one of them. These are signs of worship. True believers wont ask why and will not waste their time in looking for reasons. This is where a true believer is distingueshed from muslims.

[malak84]

Why is eating pig's (pork's) meat prohibited in islam? What are the reasons?

Does anyone know?

Becouse ....Diseases caused by Pork are many....

1. Parasitic diseases.
2.Bacterial diseases.
3.viral diseases.
4.protozoal diseases.
5.fats in pigs
6.other diseases.....

[malak84]

If this is the test or standard for a prohibition, then eating chickens should be forbidden. Raw or undercooked chicken and their eggs are a source of much infection in humans - particularly dangerous to children and elderly.

Cooked chicken = OK
Raw chicken = not so good an idea

Cooked pork = OK
Raw pork = not so good an idea

Cooked salmon or tuna = OK
Raw salmon or tuna, placed on seasoned rice with a dab of wasabi = great.

cooked or raw pork= not ok ...becouse
Diseases caused by Pork itself are many....

1. Parasitic diseases.
2.Bacterial diseases.
3.viral diseases.
4.protozoal diseases.
5.fats in pigs
6.other diseases.....

[malak84]

I am doing the same thing. :angel:

So stick with the subject we are not in a cooking lesson :duh:

[malak84]

the point is tha God is more concerned about what comes out out / your action (evil thought, adultery, murder, etc) of you rather that what you eat or drink.

well Allah is concerned about everything Big and samll in life, so we can live safly.
unlike some other religion, Christianity is not focussed on the minor details of life, like whether you can pluck your eyebrows, or which foot to put your shoe on first.

thats why people dont know how to keep themselves beautiful by keeping the natural eyebrows. In the Quran is mentioned that who ever obey Allah (The creator) is in the right Path and get blessing in life and in hereafter ...thats why we start put the right foot first, for mercy and blessings..from Allah, and by the way our left hand we use it in Toilet so its abit :yuk: in other things.....Any way Quran doesnt foucas in One thing Quran is a foucas of everything in Life ;) thats why our life is more orgnized:)
If you keep any animal with crap it will live with crap. because people think pigs are dirty they keep them in dirty conditions. modern pig farming is very much like cattle and poultry farming. no better, no worse.



when you can product the ORIGINAL Quran, not the one othman published we can continue this discussion.

The whole world knows that Quran has never been changed and it will never forever, Eccept those people who have nothing to do in life and they cant even use thier minds. go to US,UK,african countries,Austrelia, arab countries ...and all over the world the Quran is still the SAME WORDS. :angel:

then you should restrict your discussion to why moslems should not eat pork. you do not need to question why Christians eat pork because it is beyond the scope of your understanding.

I already explaind why muslims dont eat pork .....and i think i was clear that becouse its unhealty ...and they couse many diseses ...e.g.
1. Parasitic diseases.
2.Bacterial diseases.
3.viral diseases.
4.protozoal diseases.
5.fats in pigs
6.other diseases.....

dont you want to be healthy ?...


where did you copy these medical facts from ?

http://www.webziner.com/islam/whypork.htm

[Wanderer]

cooked or raw pork= not ok ...becouse
Diseases caused by Pork itself are many....

1. Parasitic diseases.
2.Bacterial diseases.
3.viral diseases.
4.protozoal diseases.
5.fats in pigs
6.other diseases.....

Wow. Frankly, I find it amazing that we can even find 1 person left alive in eastern Asia, Europe, Australia, or the Americas, what with the devestation that Porkitis must cause.

Surely the survivors, if any, are completely incapacitated by Porkitis. That would explain why these regions and peoples contribute next to nothing to the world in terms of industrial productivity and cultural impact - especially when compared to the Porkitis-free Muslim Arab world :think:

It really is beyond understanding why the rest of the Porkitis plagued world doesn't immediately emulate the Muslim Arabs and forbid consumption of pork, so that they too might advance into the shining light of achievement that is modern Muslim Arabia.


If you take a long look at things I think you 'll find that the evidence suggests that you might actually benefit from a ham sandwich now and then. Everyone else who nibbles on pork seems to be quite successful.

The alternative, of course, is to convert to Judaism. They alone are successful on the world stage while simultaneously abstaining from pork.

[malak84]

Wow. Frankly, I find it amazing that we can even find 1 person left alive in eastern Asia, Europe, Australia, or the Americas, what with the devestation that Porkitis must cause.

Surely the survivors, if any, are completely incapacitated by Porkitis. That would explain why these regions and peoples contribute next to nothing to the world in terms of industrial productivity and cultural impact - especially when compared to the Porkitis-free Muslim Arab world :think:

It really is beyond understanding why the rest of the Porkitis plagued world doesn't immediately emulate the Muslim Arabs and forbid consumption of pork, so that they too might advance into the shining light of achievement that is modern Muslim Arabia.


If you take a long look at things I think you 'll find that the evidence suggests that you might actually benefit from a ham sandwich now and then. Everyone else who nibbles on pork seems to be quite successful.

The alternative, of course, is to convert to Judaism. They alone are successful on the world stage while simultaneously abstaining from pork.

Hello Wanderer...

ofcourse everyone knows that smoke is a slow procces to death, so if somone smokes for the first time he/she will not going to die at the same time,It is the same with eating pork, its a slow procces to these diseses,people are alive today , but you never know whats going to happend next days......By the way this thread we suppose to discuss about why muslims dont eat pork ..and i think i provided evidence from Holy Quran and the wisdom behind it ....But you didnt answer my Question , though you know that pork is totaly unhealty for you , but why you still eat it ?

[Wanderer]

Hello Wanderer...

ofcourse everyone knows that smoke is a slow procces to death, so if somone smokes for the first time he/she will not going to die at the same time,It is the same with eating pork, its a slow procces to these diseses,people are alive today , but you never know whats going to happend next days......By the way this thread we suppose to discuss about why muslims dont eat pork ..and i think i provided evidence from Holy Quran and the wisdom behind it ....But you didnt answer my Question , though you know that pork is totaly unhealty for you , but why you still eat it ?

Cite the studies that support your point. Go on. Something with .edu in the URL.

1) Lifespan of pork eating people vs Muslim Arab
2) That Pork is ALWATS unhealthy

You'd be better off just saying that your god forbids you pork. Once you try to justify the prohibition with non-science and old wives tales, you open yourself up for criticism and challenge.

You have failed that challenge.

[Wanderer]

Hello Wanderer...

ofcourse everyone knows that smoke is a slow procces to death, ...

And this has been fairly well established scientifically.

Now find the ham sandwich danger study.

[wudjab]

ofcourse everyone knows that smoke is a slow procces to death, so if somone smokes for the first time he/she will not going to die at the same time...

there are published, scientifically verifiable statistics of deaths caused by smoking. what are the statistics of death / disabilty caused by the eating of pork ?


By the way this thread we suppose to discuss about why muslims dont eat pork ..

factually incorrect. you were doing quite well till you made this statement

For me i didnt know before that it has been mentioned thins in the Bible, then i was wondering a big number of christian people do eat it and denying that its not good for the humen health......


though you know that pork is totaly unhealty for you , but why you still eat it ?

you haven't convinced anyone that pork is any more unhealthy than beef. when are planning to give up beef ?

[sophis^catrina]

Educate me non-muslims, aren't pigs dirty creatures that play around and (possibly eat) their own sh*t?

[jack]

Educate me non-muslims, aren't pigs dirty creatures that play around and (possibly eat) their own sh*t?Chickens will also ;)

http://www.lifestyleblock.co.nz/articles/620_pig_feeding.htm

[IceTea]

Educate me non-muslims, aren't pigs dirty creatures that play around and (possibly eat) their own sh*t?


I believe they do, I wonder how a human being will be able to eat it :D

[malak84]

Cite the studies that support your point. Go on. Something with .edu in the URL.

1) Lifespan of pork eating people vs Muslim Arab
2) That Pork is ALWATS unhealthy

1.by the way why not lifespan of pork vs english Muslim, american muslim, african muslim ..why always arab :hmm:

You'd be better off just saying that your god forbids you pork. Once you try to justify the prohibition with non-science and old wives tales, you open yourself up for criticism and challenge.

You have failed that challenge.
In your dreams ;)



Hello :)

Dont be so sure that i failed as you call it a challenge cos am not,at least am not ignoring anything and try to give the proper answer with evidence,so give me a strong reason for the question that you ignored earlier which is, though you know that pork is totaly unhealty for you , but why you still eat it ?

[malak84]

there are published, scientifically verifiable statistics of deaths caused by smoking. what are the statistics of death / disabilty caused by the eating of pork ?

Watch more news and read more articles about how many people die a day becouse of one of the diseases coused by pork....

factually incorrect. you were doing quite well till you made this statement

i didnt made this statment Its Allah's words from the Bible and Quran as well as the scintest... :)

you haven't convinced anyone that pork is any more unhealthy than beef. when are planning to give up beef ?
i think its your problem then becouse everyone is convinced eccept you ;)

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[malak84]

Chickens will also ;)

http://www.lifestyleblock.co.nz/articles/620_pig_feeding.htm

i havnt seen anything to do with chickens in the web you provided :rolleyes:

[jack]

i havnt seen anything to do with chickens in the web you provided :rolleyes:The link is to pig farming ...

Have you ever raised chickens and watched their eating habits?

And do you love the chicken at "Nandos"?

[wudjab]

Dont be so sure that i failed as you call it a challenge cos am not,at least am not ignoring anything and try to give the proper answer with evidence,so give me a strong reason for the question that you ignored earlier which is, though you know that pork is totaly unhealty for you , but why you still eat it ?

gotta love this approach. when soundly beaten, claim victory and pretend you won.

[Wanderer]

Hello :)

Dont be so sure that i failed as you call it a challenge cos am not,at least am not ignoring anything and try to give the proper answer with evidence,...?

Great. I look forward to your scientific contribution.




... so give me a strong reason for the question that you ignored earlier which is, though you know that pork is totaly unhealty for you , but why you still eat it ?

I do not believe, and you have not yet established, that pork is unhealthy.
So I'm not ignoring your question, so much as pointing out that it is a question with an unproven premise - that pork is unhealthy.

A reverse example: Why do you avoid pork since you know it makes you smarter ?

So,

I do not fish caught in the James River because I have read that several annual tests indicate that there are unhealthy levels of certain chemicals in fish living in the James River.

I do not eat raw or undercooked chicken or turkey.

I limit my intake of farmed salmon.

I do not eat raw beef or lamb - though rare is OK.

So you see that there are several things I don't eat for safety reasons. However, pork is not among them. Pork is just fine to eat.

[Wanderer]

gotta love this approach. when soundly beaten, claim victory and pretend you won.

I'd love to read their accounts of war against Israel.

[polarfalcon]

PORK is a KILLER....
1) In a review of testimonials, medical records, biographies and correspondences, one American researcher has found evidence that trichinosis -- an illness he would have contracted from eating undercooked pork -- is the most likely cause of Mozart's demise.
2) A horrendous disease, at one point called "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," and now referred to as "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome," or PRRS, has infected some pigs in about 75 percent of American pig herds, according to experts. Vaccines have only partially been effective.
http://www.mercola.com/

PORK PRODUCTION and WATER POLLUTION...
In February, the Associated Press reported that Smithfield Foods Inc., one of the US's largest meatpackers(Pork Producers), is accused of polluting a Chesapeake Bay tributary. Suits filed by the state could amount to fines up to $2 million, but the US EPA has filed its own $125 million lawsuit against Smithfield.
http://www.earthsave.org/news/199704.htm

PORK most DAMAGING...
Scripture mentions pork many times and always having a negative connotation. The pig's flesh is described as "putrid," "filthy" or "unclean." Humans classify pork as a red meat, but the Bible groups pork with blood, bowel movements, road kill, buzzards, snakes, rats and roaches. In my opinion, eating pork may be the most damaging item.
http://www.new-life.net/healthiq.htm

PORK May Be the Source of ACUTE HEPATITIS E Reported in US...
Hepatitis E virus (HEV) is the primary cause of epidemic and sporadic enterically transmitted non-A, non-B hepatitis worldwide, according to the Mayo Clinic Until this report, the US had been spared infection with HEV. In the case-report of a 62 year-old Minnesota man, both the pathologic findings in the liver biopsy specimen and the clinical course were characteristic of acute hepatitis E, as confirmed by nucleotide sequencing. The source of the infection could not be identified, although the man had eaten food at a California restaurant where the workers were not screened for HEV.

PLZ check this site up....
http://www.mercola.com/
It's just a random helth site....
Done by...
Dr. Joseph Mercola
Author of the
Total Health Program
I think that he knows a bit more about PORK then what we know...

[MoonChild]

OK until today I was content to simply be amused at the posts in this thread, but this one I can't pass up :D


PORK May Be the Source of ACUTE HEPATITIS E Reported in US...
Until this report, the US had been spared infection with HEV.

Well now, it OBVIOUS that the cause of HEV is that report!!! Since until it was published, US was spared HEV infection :D


The source of the infection could not be identified, although the man had eaten food at a California restaurant where the workers were not screened for HEV.

Hokey- dokey. the report says the cause could not be identified. In a completely irrelevent, but seemingly sinister twist, he ate at one of the millions of restaurants where workers aren't screened for HEV. NEWS FLASH - restaurant workers don't take medical exams to get jobs ANYWHERE :duh: furthermore, what does the medical status of the restaurant workers at this one place he ate have to do with the presumed qualtity of the pork at that establishment, which the infected man may or may not have eaten? does that restaurant even serve pork?

Please, oh PLEASE , can SOMEONE essssplain how this is supposed to prove that pork causes HEV????

Then it's made even more amusing by throwing around words like "pathologic" and "nucleotide" in order to so dazzle the gullible that no one notices that the headline has nothing to do with the article, which in turn says nothing?

I guess none of that matters, as long as the headline says what you want to hear... :os

[mimosa]

OK, insults aside. I will pretend not to be offended at the inference that everyone who eats pork is either stupid or dirty. They are not, they are just not practising Jews or Muslims.

So to get back to the point: Can anyone please find a scientific study backing up some of the claims made in this thread? That's a scientific one, OK?! One carried out by independent scientists and published in a reputable journal. Please?

[Wanderer]

PORK is a KILLER....

2) A horrendous disease, at one point called "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," and now referred to as "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome," or PRRS, has infected some pigs in about 75 percent of American pig herds, according to experts. Vaccines have only partially been effective.
http://www.mercola.com/



Why, exactly, should we be concerned about PRRS ? Do humans catch it, or do humans give it to pigs ?

[mimosa]

Chickens carry salmonella and bird flu, both of which are sometimes fatal when transferred to humans. But they are 7alal.

Any science, please, instead of wild allegations?! I am happy to accept that orthodox Jews and Muslims choose not to eat pork out of obedience to their religious dogma. But I will not accept that pork is "dirty" or "dangerous" unless there is some evidence from an independent source! Come on!

P.S. Rabbits eat their own poo-poo, but I don't think pigs do. The myth of "dirty pigs" comes from their bathing in mud or dust to keep cool, because they have no sweat glands. There you go...they don't even get B.O!

[Wanderer]

PORK is a KILLER....


LOL

Salads and fruit bowls have killed more humans than pigs have !!

"Raw fruits and vegetables have been known to serve as vehicles of human disease for at least a century. In 1899, Morse linked typhoid infection to eating celery."

"In 1912, Creel demonstrated that lettuce and radishes grown in soil containing Bacillus typhosa (now Salmonella Typhi) harboured the organism on their surfaces for up to 31 days.

Melick (1917) recovered typhoid bacilli from mature lettuce and radish harvested from soil that had been inoculated at the time seeds were planted."

And it's not just germs, but parasites too !!! WORMS :yuk: Aieeeeeeeeeeee, yuck ! :Sick:

Some parasitic helminths (e.g. Fasciola hepatica, Fasciolopsis buski) require encystment on plants to complete their life cycle. Thus, the recognition of raw fruits and vegetables as potential vehicles for transmission of pathogenic microorganisms known to cause human disease is not new.

:Sick: :Sick:

"In developing countries, foodborne illnesses caused by contaminated fruits and vegetables are frequent and in some areas they cause a large proportion of illness.

Do you know that the fruit and salad you are eating was probably grown with manure. Poop. Sometimes people poop. Come on, how much does a poor farmer earn ? Do you think he's going to spend his money on buying fertilizer when he and his family poop some out for free each day !!??

"In developing countries, continued use of untreated wastewater and manure as fertilizers for the production offruits and vegetables is a major contributing factor to contamination that causes numerous foodborne disease outbreaks.


Hysterical nonsense ? Religious zealots' gibberish ?

Take a look at the source:
http://www.who.int/foodsafety/publications/fs_management/surfac_decon/en/

[Angel_Eyes]

Is there anything in the Bible that states that it is forbidden to eat pork?

[Kara]

This is the main bit:

Leviticus 11:1-8

1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them:

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying: These are the living things which ye may eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is wholly cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that may ye eat.

4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that only chew the cud, or of them that only part the hoof: the camel, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.

5 And the rock-badger, because he cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because she cheweth the cud but parteth not the hoof, she is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you.

8 Of their flesh ye shall not eat, and their carcasses ye shall not touch; they are unclean unto you.

[HITMAN]

But the above mentioned verses are from the Old Testament, followers of the Gospels do not have strict dietary rules or maybe no dietary rules at all

[Jeff]

Yes, Hitman is right.

In the New Testament--the part that Christians accept and Jews don't--the chief Apostle, Peter, at first says that all Christians must not eat meat like pork, because it is forbidden by God's Law.

But then he has a vision from God:


9
The next day, while they were on their way and nearing the city, Peter went up to the roof terrace to pray at about noontime.
10
He was hungry and wished to eat, and while they were making preparations he fell into a trance.
11
He saw heaven opened and something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered to the ground by its four corners.
12
In it were all the earth's four-legged animals and reptiles and the birds of the sky.
13
A voice said to him, "Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat."
14
But Peter said, "Certainly not, sir. For never have I eaten anything profane and unclean."
15
The voice spoke to him again, a second time, "What God has made clean, you are not to call profane."
16
This happened three times, and then the object was taken up into the sky.

Acts 10: 9-16.

So, he and the other apostles decide that Christians do not have to obey the dietary laws of the old covenant.

And St. Paul says that God has delivered us from the curse of the Law into the freedom of the Gospel. That is why Christians have never abstained from pork or any other food for religious reasons.

Christians admit that God once told His people not to eat pork. But we teach that God has released us from that requirement.

[Angel_Eyes]

aha.. i see..and yet people still eat it.

[Jeff]

Read the post I wrote above.

Christians eat it because in the New Testament part of the Bible, God told us it was okay to be Christian and eat whatever we want. No more "unclean food."

[monotheism]

The gross mistake that non-Jews make when reading the Scripture that G-d commanded to Jews is to think that G-d ever intended to forbid non-Jews from eating non-kosher meat such as pork. He didn't. The whole commandment in the 1st place was only addressed to Jews. But if a non-Jew wants to eat this, that's okay now and it always was. It's simply absurd to speak of non-Jews having to be 'released' from something they were never bound to do in the 1st place.

[Jeff]

Fine.

But the argument goes deeper than that.

Gentiles, when they become Jews, stop eating pork.

From the viewpoint of the early Apostles, God sent His Messiah to the Jews and the Gentiles too. Did that mean that the Gentiles had to abstain from pork in order to become Christians? And if not and the Jewish Christians were eating with them as brothers in one Church, did they have to eat differently?

The answer God gave Peter was: Eat up. Nothing is unclean if I say it's not.

None of this interests you, no doubt, since you reject the premise about the Messiah having come. But it's of interest to Christians and also to those from the outside who are studying both Christians and Jews.

Anyway, a related question:

What do you and your fellow Jews tell someone who listens to you and reads the Bible and says: Okay I believe it all. What should I do? How should I live?

Do you advise them to follow the Law? Or discourage them from becoming Jewish? Or tell them something else?

[malak84]

check this out :)

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27411

[BrAiKi]

Threads were merged

[Jeff]

Well, one thing all we Experience Pork Eaters can agree on is: IT'S DARNED TASTY STUFF!

Even the strict-as-can-be Bogus admits that when she was a tot and had been pulled out of her clueless Christian school:


My mother added that I was always asking her to cook me 'the same thing they used to give us at school' ---- Aka Pork

http://bo-gus.blogspot.com/2007/04/5-year-old-umkhalid.html

:p

(BTW, check out that link to see a cute-as-a-button pic of Li'l Bogus!)

[Charm]

lol @ Bogus :p

Jeff muslims shouldn't eat it as I think you know by now :p All my none-muslims friends though used to tell me that am missing out loads by refusing drinks and pork but I used to feel sick everytime I see them eat it and they used 2 laugh at me same thing happend when they had drinks, I just can't stand it.

At the end of the day people have their own differences. Good thread ;)

[Geya]

Eeeww one time i ate pork, without knowin there were some in the meal, OH god!!!!, i made sure i puked it was naaassttyy

[BrAiKi]

I remember when I was in london, I bought 3 frozen microwave pizzas. Luckily at the counter there was a muslim and he was like "anta muslim? haaza kanzeer!" meaning "r u a muslim? this is prok!" I was shocked big time and put them back in the fridge, bought chicken pizza instead!
I was thinking, Gosh! I was going to make my whole family eat pork!

[Geya]

la7tha in london they dont have halal meat, unless u get it form a halal store s0o0o there beef and chicken is haram

[BrAiKi]

The Quraan says that the food of the People of the book is halal for us :D
Except what's not allowed, which is pork..

[Geya]

SHAKKKOOOOO u have to say "bismila" before u cut it, and yet none muslim DONT!!

[BrAiKi]

Shako Mako! :p
Then I wonder what the ayah was talking about :think:

any idea?

[Geya]

Wuts Ayah((too short))

[Jeff]

lol @ Bogus :p

Jeff muslims shouldn't eat it as I think you know by now :p All my none-muslims friends though used to tell me that am missing out loads by refusing drinks and pork but I used to feel sick everytime I see them eat it and they used 2 laugh at me same thing happend when they had drinks, I just can't stand it.

At the end of the day people have their own differences. Good thread ;)

Oh, sure, I always encourage people to follow their consciences. After all, from a Christian point of view it's not BAD for others to abstain from pork...

I've told the story here several times about how I was served beer by a Muslim friend in her home in front of her daughters. I drank it and said thank you, but later I said, "I feel uncomfortable drinking alcohol in your home in front of your girls because I feel like you don't think it's right and since you want to be nice to me, I am helping you set them a bad example."

She was amazed and said, "You are muttawa!" But she smiled and never served me alcohol in her house again.

[Jeff]

Wuts Ayah((too short))

Isn't it ayah, plural ayat? A verse of a Sura?

[BrAiKi]

check this link, its in arabic tho..
Here (http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=A&Id=1564&Option=FatwaId)

the whole thing says that birds/mammels that are Slaughtered by Christians/Jews are Halal, given the Quraanic verse saying:


5. This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).


Birds/mammels that are electrified by Christians or/and Muslims are Haram

So don't complicate urself and just check if the chicken/meat was slaughtered or electrified :D

[Jeff]

Geez, I'm not sure if I'd rather be electrified or slaughtered...

[Geya]

well wut if they suffer?!?!?! uumm i dont know i feel like it aint right, cuz we are all humans but Saying Bismillah, is a BIG deal

None-muslim dont say anything

[UmKhalid]

Well, one thing all we Experience Pork Eaters can agree on is: IT'S DARNED TASTY STUFF!

Even the strict-as-can-be Bogus admits that when she was a tot and had been pulled out of her clueless Christian school:


My mother added that I was always asking her to cook me 'the same thing they used to give us at school' ---- Aka Pork




And because I KNOW It's " DARNED TASTY STUFF! " ...

I'm expecting to get a bigger reward than everyone else :angel::p

[Charm]

Oh, sure, I always encourage people to follow their consciences. After all, from a Christian point of view it's not BAD for others to abstain from pork...

I've told the story here several times about how I was served beer by a Muslim friend in her home in front of her daughters. I drank it and said thank you, but later I said, "I feel uncomfortable drinking alcohol in your home in front of your girls because I feel like you don't think it's right and since you want to be nice to me, I am helping you set them a bad example."

She was amazed and said, "You are muttawa!" But she smiled and never served me alcohol in her house again.

She bought the beer and served it at her home infront of her own kids??!:bored: