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While reading the Bible, I noticed things that I didn't really understand, so if any Christian member cares to explain, I'd appreciate it..
Just for the record, I am interested to know the answers to my questions according to the Christian view of Jesus Christ..
- Why is Jesus is always (or usually) called Lord but not God, is there a significance? or there's no difference at all?
I remember while reading that someone called him "my Lord and my God" but even the Christians nowadays say "the Lord Jesus Christ"
- Why was he called The Son of God sometimes, and sometimes the Son of Man? According to my readings of the Bible, He called himself the Son of Man when Judas came with the guards that arrested Jesus Christ, and when he asked his disciples about his identity, and Peter (i think) replied, you are the Son of the Living God.. what is the difference between the two?
thank you :cute:
amo_l_oman
10-06-07, 10:02 AM
In Italian they use to call him son of God or God become man, sort of human manifestation of God
Lord is used to address God mainly but sometimes they use to say also Lord Jesus Christ
Well, these are deep questions you could write books about! Okay, here is the Christian doctrine about Our Lord Jesus Christ:
The short answer is: "Son of Man" and "Son of God" are two different titles reflecting the two natures in Christ.
In the Bible, calling someone "son of man", which occurs in the Old Testament means that they are a Man, that they have man's nature. Christ, though, is THE Son of Man, the quintessential Man, the Perfect Man. This Son of Man will command the angels who are "his" angels (Matthew 24: 31). The Sign of the Son of Man, as Christ calls it, originally appears in Daniel, where one like a Son of Man comes on the clouds to the Ancient of Days:
"I saw therefore in the vision of the night, and lo, one like a son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and he came even to the Ancient of days: and they presented him before him. And he gave him power, and glory, and a kingdom: and all peoples, tribes, and tongues shall serve him: his power is an everlasting power that shall not be taken away: and his kingdom shall not be destroyed."
Daniel 7:13.
Jesus title of Son of Man is a claim to Daniel's prophecy and you can see that when He says to Caiaphas that he will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of Heaven.
And calling Christ, the Son of God means in the same way that He is God, that He has the nature of God, God from God as a man is Man from Man. So Jesus says calls God 'Father', says "The Father and I are One" and "Everything that the Father has is Mine" and "And now glorify Me, O Father, with yourself, with the glory which I had, before the world existed, with You."
Jesus is called many things: King, Lord, Master, Teacher, Christ, Son of David, Emmanuel (which means 'God with us'.)
"Lord" is a title that can refer to kings, but again is usually reserved to God. God is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. "Adonai" is the way it is usually rendered, as in Psalm 110:1. And as Jesus asks the Pharisees, who is David's Lord and how can he be David's son?
Jesus is only called 'God' directly once in the Gospels in a conversation. But Jesus doesn't usually make claims for Himself. His preferred way to teach is by gradual understanding and by asking questions as He did in the example you gave involving Peter's question.
So, Christians call God the Father "Lord" and we also call Jesus "Lord" because Jesus is both God and Lord as His Father is both God and Lord. And we also call the Holy Spirit, Lord and God and Creator and the Giver of Life.
One answer to your question is that Jesus disciples understood Him to be the Messiah and therefore called Him 'Lord' before they understood exactly Who and What the Messiah was: the Son of the Living God and therefore God Himself.
This is the Christian confession about these matters as you ask for it. :) And anyone is welcome to ask more....
Threadlike
10-06-07, 01:15 PM
Now I'm confused...
I thought Jesus had only two natures according to Christian doctrine: the man the the god, right? Now, is Jesus's third nature the Holy Spirit? And what IS the Holy Spirit? I mean to say...What is EXACTLY the nature of Jesus according to Christian doctrine? Is he the 'son' of God or a 'part' of God according to Christian doctrine? And being the 'son', does it make him God or does it make him an heir, a manifestation of God?
Threadlike, the trinity means three. Not two. And it relates to the 3 natures of God.
Threadlike, from what I understand is that Jesus Christ isn't a "part" of God, he is God, being the Son of God doesn't mean that the Father is better than the Son, nor the Son is better than the Father.. all three are one and each one isn't less or more divine than the other one..
Jeff can correct me tho :p
This thread is discussing the Christian view of Jesus as I said above, we have discussed these things before in previous threads!
we don't want to start arguing here whether he is God or Not because according to this thread, He is!
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Threadlike, from what I understand is that Jesus Christ isn't a "part" of God, he is God, being the Son of God doesn't mean that the Father is better than the Son, nor the Son is better than the Father.. all three are one and each one isn't less or more divine than the other one..
Jeff can correct me tho :p
So does that means God is Jesus or Jesus is God, or doesn't matter! :rolleyes:
it means Jesus is God, his father is God, and the holy spirit is God, according to christianity :D
Boy, Braiki, you don't need me anymore. You are pretty much a Doctor of Divinity! ;)
Yes, all three are fully God, not parts of God. God is simple and One. He is indivisible.
Jesus is God: yes, Ice Tea. Squares are rectangles.
God is Jesus: no. You can't say 'rectangles are squares.'
If you say all 3 are fully God then you can say God is Jesus.
If rectangles are not squares then also 1+1+1 =3 not 1.
MsKnuckles
10-06-07, 03:18 PM
god is not jesus... god is everything including the trinity. Did I understand this right? :XD:
but that wouldn't mean jesus is a part of god... jesus IS god... the holy spirit is god... meaning god's not divided in parts... rather whole... you can't say a drop of water's a part of water, because a drop of water is water...
again i dunno if I'm making any sense but that's what i understood
Oblivious
10-06-07, 03:22 PM
I'm confused! I thought they're 'parts' of God, now you say each is 'fully' God. Then how many Gods are there? you say there's one God, then how come each of them are 'fully' a God?
Or is it like, three of them are one God and we can't separate them?
Oblivious
10-06-07, 03:22 PM
god is not jesus... god is everything including the trinity. Did I understand this right? :XD:
but that wouldn't mean jesus is a part of god... jesus IS god... the holy spirit is god... meaning god's not divided in parts... rather whole... you can't say a drop of water's a part of water, because a drop of water is water...
again i dunno if I'm making any sense but that's what i understood
Haha..same here.
..from what I understand is that Jesus Christ isn't a "part" of God, he is God, being the Son of God doesn't mean that the Father is better than the Son, nor the Son is better than the Father.. all three are one and each one isn't less or more divine than the other one..
approved by Jeff :p
God isn't Jesus alone, God is the three natures. How is that? According to the Christians I asked long time ago, its not something you have to understand how
Oblivious
10-06-07, 03:29 PM
approved by Jeff :p
God isn't Jesus alone, God is the three natures. How is that? According to the Christians I asked long time ago, its not something you have to understand how
Ah god! my worst phrase! lol..I thought only Muslims say that :p
its not something you have to understand how
Why they make up things which they can't explain later, human are strange!
lemme rephrase it, you can't understand how it is and you don't have to understand.. I never heard Jeff saying this to be honest, but many many Christians said that thing to me
That means you follow things blindly, faith should be based on strong foundation not assumptions!
I think it's better to wait for Jeff to answer this, since he has a better explanation
MsKnuckles
10-06-07, 04:11 PM
Why they make up things which they can't explain later, human are strange!
do u understand everything and every little point written or meant in the quran?... no... so let's not be blindly judgemental.
MsKnuckles
10-06-07, 04:13 PM
above that...i don't think it's not understandable... I think it does make sense... u can't say god is this or that because god doesn't represent one thing, while everything else does represent god. that's all there is to it.
you can say a cat's an animal but you can't say an animal's a cat. cuz animals don't only consist of cats.
i hope one can relate to that equation. :mmhmm:
will wait for reassurance however
[sweetness]
10-06-07, 04:32 PM
I'm confused now, what you mean by Holy Spirit ?
Means that all of 3 gods are rule and everyone has certain job ?
That's another good Question! thank you sweetness!
I think its a deep question that needs a careful explanation!
do u understand everything and every little point written or meant in the quran?... no... so let's not be blindly judgemental.
I think we are talking about God here not everything in the Quran, beside that if there is anything you don't understand in the Quran then say it I'm sure members will help you.
Threadlike
10-06-07, 04:56 PM
Okaaay...
So God thought that men needed to see him in his man form...So he came as Jesus. But actually, he's not Jesus...He's God disguised as the son of God, Jesus. So hang on...If God really IS Jesus then why does Jesus call on the cross:
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [Why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?" (Psalm 22:1).
I mean, if he was REALLLLLY God, he could have saved himself right? Why sacrifice himself? Or was the BODY of Jesus the sacrifice for the sins of humans? I know I'm a bit annoying with all the questions :D!
Threadlike
10-06-07, 05:01 PM
And then I found this quotation from the Bible...
"Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the Son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven." -Gospel of Thomas Saying 44.
Now, this sort of...Separates the Father from the Son from the Holy Spirit. Does that mean that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are completely separate entities of the same nature, i.e: the nature of God? Or they are three natures of the same entity, i.e: God? And why doesn't the Holy Spirit ever forgive blasphemy while the 'Father' and the 'Son' forgive?
what Jesus said on the cross was only "Eli.. Eli.. lama sabachtani?" meaning "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" the rest is from the Pslams (zabur) of david which was written long ago before the time of Jesus Christ..
Thats one of the Questions that I never had a satisfying answer for..
I can't answer the rest of the questions, but let me try to answer some..
For a Christian, it is similar to when a muslim is asked, if God revealed the Torah with the laws for Moses, Why did he send Jesus after it to lay off some of the rules (for example; saturday's rest), and then, why did He need to reveal the Quraan with new laws? why not the same book the whole time?
a muslim would answer "it is for a reason that only God knows, and God knows better!"
I don't think any human being can answer those questions, the more you dig, the more questions come to your mind with no answers!
I mean, if he was REALLLLLY God, he could have saved himself right? Why sacrifice himself? Or was the BODY of Jesus the sacrifice for the sins of humans?
That's what the Jews said when he was on the cross. They said, if he really is the Son of God, then he will get down from the cross.
But the reason for Christ existing, the reason for God "sending his son" (or coming on earth in the form of a human) was to spread the word of God and to eventually suffer and die in a mortal way (as the body dies - not the soul) for the sins of mankind.
That's according to christianity. So yes, in the last part you are correct.
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what Jesus said on the cross was only "Eli.. Eli.. lama sabachtani?" meaning "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" the rest is from the Pslams (zabur) of david which was written long ago before the time of Jesus Christ..
Thats one of the Questions that I never had a satisfying answer for..
I can't answer the rest of the questions, but let me try to answer some..
For a Christian, it is similar to when a muslim is asked, if God revealed the Torah with the laws for Moses, Why did he send Jesus after it to lay off some of the rules (for example; saturday's rest), and then, why did He need to reveal the Quraan with new laws? why not the same book the whole time?
a muslim would answer "it is for a reason that only God knows, and God knows better!"
I don't think any human being can answer those questions, the more you dig, the more questions come to your mind with no answers!
I can ask the same... why did God in Islam command people to pray 50 times and then bring it down to 5?
Because God knows best :p
exactly, some questions have answers that are not satisfying, and some don't have answers at all, and God knows best!
guys, this thread is NOT about whether Jesus is God or not! PLEASE let us learn!
I think Triple tee explained it the best.
Take 3 drops of water. Put them together, and you have one mass of water. Though separately, each drop is still "water". Whether alone or as a whole.
I can ask the same... why did God in Islam command people to pray 50 times and then bring it down to 5?
Because God knows best :p
Because humans can't take it so it's a mercy from Allah to humans, I think that is what was said about this issue.
Ice Tea please do not repost when I delete your posts
Because previous books have been changed and the original message corrupted also previous prophets were sent to a specific group of people unlike prophet Mohammed :PBUH: who was sent as a mercy to all humanity.
you didn't get my question, WHY did God save the Quraan from corruption but not the Torah? why didn't the Quraan come first and save all of this mess!?
I was using these questions for comparison only beacuse it's not what this topic is about anyway
Threadlike
10-06-07, 05:33 PM
Right, so now I got most of my questions answered...I'm starting to get less confused anyhow...
Now what remains is the one regarding Saying 44 from the Gospel of Thomas...
yeah is it a very interesting Question Threalike, I'll try to look for the answer.. I'm sure Jeff has the answer tho, lets wait for him :D
you didn't get my question, WHY did God save the Quraan from corruption but not the Torah? why didn't the Quraan come first and save all of this mess!?
I was using these questions for comparison only beacuse it's not what this topic is about anyway
Because you are not suppose to question Allah actions but Allah question your actions.
Exactly! a Christian would say the same thing to you and you wont be able to question him anymore..
To them its an action by God that you are not supposed to question!
I guess this issue is done, back to the topic
any off topics will be deleted
How come it's done, maybe for you!
Question remain:
Is God Jesus if all 3 are full God?
you were given the answer to that
Because if the thing is made by human being then there should be a way to understand it, if you design a car you should know how it works, right?
So since christians do not believe in the quran, we should question every single tiny minute aspect of the man made book.
I'll keep that in mind for next time we are discussing the quran. :)
In the mean time, why not stay on topic? Why are you so afraid when people ask about other religions, save Islam?
I pray you see the right path, brother. Amen. :cute:
What is the thread about Braiki, you are confusing me, didn't you ask about Lord and God :rolleyes:
Ice Tea for the last time am telling you, this thread is not about whether Jesus is God or not..
you can open another thread regarding that issue
any more off-topic posts will lead to a notice/warning
thank you!
So since christians do not believe in the quran, we should question every single tiny minute aspect of the man made book.
I'll keep that in mind for next time we are discussing the quran. :)
In the mean time, why not stay on topic? Why are you so afraid when people ask about other religions, save Islam?
I pray you see the right path, brother. Amen. :cute:
I think there are many threads about Islam, etc and members asnwer them, now stick to the topic :)
yeah I did, but I think you got eyes that can read and a brain that can think, I mentioned in the first post that I want the CHRISTIAN view of this, even if I don't agree with the answer, I'm not going to disprove it..
You ask, you get answers, nothing to disprove here, that's the purpose of the thread
I'm also asking questions like you Braiki within the topic, don't be sensitive :D
you got the answer for the previous question yet u asked it again didn't you?
if you have more questions you are more than welcome to ask.. Disproving something isn't an action that is allowed in this certain thread
I hope its clear for u now
Ok here is one more question:
How can a holy spirit be God?
good, we'll wait for a christian member to explain if they wish to :D
Ok here is one more question:
How can a holy spirit be God?According to you and the Quran God can be anything and everything and do anything and be everywhere.
He has no limits to what he can be and do.
So I don't see why you have a conflict with this.
According to Islam there is nothing like God. That means God can't be like any of his creations.
According to Islam there is nothing like God. That means God can't be like any of his creations.According to Jack ... God is his creations :yes:
god is not jesus... god is everything including the trinity. Did I understand this right? :XD:
but that wouldn't mean jesus is a part of god... jesus IS god... the holy spirit is god... meaning god's not divided in parts... rather whole... you can't say a drop of water's a part of water, because a drop of water is water...
again i dunno if I'm making any sense but that's what i understood
See, Ice Tea?
Braiki can understand it; TTT can understand it. You don't have to believe it, but you can understand it.
Threadlike
10-06-07, 10:01 PM
Jeeeefff....
Gospel of Thomas, Saying 44 :D
[sweetness]
11-06-07, 12:29 AM
Ok , now less confusing !
But still you didn't answer my question :(
According to Islam there is nothing like God. That means God can't be like any of his creations.
This is a great point, Ice Tea.
Christians would answer like this:
--This is a good reason why it shouldn't be so strange that God can be a Trinity of persons in one God. God isn't like his creations. Space and time and numbers are all His creations. He is outside of them and different from them and those things don't apply to him.
--But God is also omnipotent; He can do anything. He is not like His creations BY HIS NATURE. No Christian says that God is by nature a man. What Christians say is that God chose to take on, to ADOPT, the nature of a man out of love. But He remains God in His own nature. He doesn't stop being God or "change into a man." He is like an author who writes himself into his own book as a character. Except God's "book" or creation is real not just imaginary.
Here is something I really appreciate about this thread.
Lots of times I have seen my Christian friends get irritated with me because I go on Islamic or politics threads and I say "How would I think about this if I were a Muslim? How would it look to me?"
The reason I do that is that I think the best thing to do is first to make sure you really, deeply understand even if you disagree. We can not believe or accept something, but still see how it looks and feels and seems to the heart and mind of our brother or sister of another religion. And that will help us see the good and bad in their religion. It should even help us in the end think more clearly in our own religion too.
You can reject the Trinity or the Incarnation (that what we call God taking becoming man in Jesus) 100%. But it helps if you are going to discuss it or think about it to make sure you understand it first.
I can testify that I have learned and am still learning so much about Islam by taking this approach. And I assure you, I don't feel any less Christian by doing it.
um_amira
11-06-07, 06:19 AM
heeey i go to a catholic school even though im a muslim.. i don't really know much about this lool
How come it's done, maybe for you!
Question remain:
Is God Jesus if all 3 are full God?
Here is why we can say "Jesus is God."
According to the teaching of Christianity, Jesus existed before He became a Man. He existed as God from all eternity. But He stepped into Time and Space and took on the nature of a man in our world. And He keeps it forever, but as an addition, something He took on. Not as something that limits His own Divine Nature.
WHO is Jesus? What person is Jesus? Jesus is God who became a man. That's what "Jesus is God" means.
But you can't properly say "God is Jesus" because God is not limited to the man Jesus. God exists prior to and apart from the man Jesus. God the Father is not Jesus. God the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. And God the Son is not limited in His Nature to Jesus...He existed before and also still exists in His own Divine Nature always apart from the man Jesus.
;882566']I'm confused now, what you mean by Holy Spirit ?
Means that all of 3 gods are rule and everyone has certain job ?
Okay, this is similar to Oblivious' question: If Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, then aren't they parts of God? How can each be "fully God"?
God is spiritual, He is not material. You can't take a knife and cut him in half. He doesn't exist in a place. He doesn't exist in time. Like Ice Tea said, He is not like his creations. He exists outside time and space.
Time is "in" God, God is not in Time. So we say He is Eternal.
Space is "in" God, God is not in Space. He doesn't "move around". He isn't inside any "around." So we say He is Immense and Boundless.
God doesn't have "parts" or "sections". He doesn't have any arms or legs. There aren't big or small parts to him or strong or weak parts. All these things are limitations and God has no limitations. All these things are aspects of MATTER and SPACE and God is not material and He is not in Space.
God is PURE EXISTENCE. He is the REAL EXISTENCE at the very root of reality. God simply IS. If you go deeper than atoms or electrons or energy, deep, deep down, ALL the way down, you don't find some STUFF or some FORCE or some BLIND energy. You find something that lives and wills and loves. Something PERSONAL. An I. A Me.
Moses asks God what His Name is. And God answers, "Go and tell the people of Israel that "I AM" has sent you."
We know He is not a blind force. He is personal. He thinks. He wills. He decides. He has ideas. He creates. He loves. He forgives. We cannot understand this FULLY because our minds are limited. Be we can understand it a bit.
Now think about your own mind. You exist. You know other people. But you also know yourself. You have an idea of yourself. You can call it a "self-concept". You have an idea of who you are in your mind.
But since you are a limited creature, that idea only exists in your own mind. It doesn't have a "real" existence, just a mental one.
But when God imagines you: Guess what? You exist! That's called creation.
Before God created anything, was He bored? Did He have nothing to think about? Nobody to talk to? Of course not. He thought about Himself.
What happens when God imagines Himself or thinks about Himself? Well, His idea or concept of Himself really exists.
Is it a "part" of Him? No, because it is not "separate". His idea of Himself is His idea of His WHOLE self! And of course He looks at Himself and thinks about Himself and loves Himself.
But with God, His Idea of Himself can look back at Him. Because His idea of Himself is Real. And it is completely God too.
These two ways that God exists are persons because they can relate to each other. They can love each other. And of course, they do.
But that activity, that love that they have for each other cannot be just a "force", because a force is blind. The only thing that God can exchange with Himself as He sees Himself is: Himself! And this Self that flows between the two persons in God is of course also personal. Another person that is wholly God. The Holy Spirit.
God the Knower we call "the Father". God's "idea of Himself" that He loves and loves Him back we call "the Son." And the Love that flows between them, God as the Exchange of Self between "Father" and "Son" we call "the Holy Spirit."
This is God's Inner Life. God is not static and frozen inside Himself. He is Dynamic.
Each of these "selves" is fully God. They aren't the same, but on the other hand they aren't separate. None of them lacks anything. Each is just another "way" that God has of existing for Himself. But each "way" is so real and so completely God that it is another person, another "self."
There is only One God, not three gods. But in that one God, there are Three Persons. And each person can truly say, "I am the One and Only God, Undivided Unity."
It's true we can't understand this well. But we can't explain time or space or love or music or many other things well either. They are all real things. But they are all mysterious.
And then I found this quotation from the Bible...
"Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the Son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven." -Gospel of Thomas Saying 44.
Now, this sort of...Separates the Father from the Son from the Holy Spirit. Does that mean that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are completely separate entities of the same nature, i.e: the nature of God? Or they are three natures of the same entity, i.e: God? And why doesn't the Holy Spirit ever forgive blasphemy while the 'Father' and the 'Son' forgive?
Threadlike, the solution to this is:
The "Gospel of Thomas" is not in the Bible. It is a Gnostic "Gospel". The technical term for it in Christian language is Pseudo-Epigrapha. That means "false writings."
Okaaay...
So God thought that men needed to see him in his man form...So he came as Jesus. But actually, he's not Jesus...He's God disguised as the son of God, Jesus. So hang on...If God really IS Jesus then why does Jesus call on the cross:
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [Why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?" (Psalm 22:1).
I mean, if he was REALLLLLY God, he could have saved himself right? Why sacrifice himself? Or was the BODY of Jesus the sacrifice for the sins of humans? I know I'm a bit annoying with all the questions :D!
1. God came as Man to destroy sin from the inside, to do for us and with us what we needed to do.
2. God is not "disguised" because His human nature is not fake. He really became a man, by taking on human nature. God didn't appear to be a Man. He really became a Man.
3. Christ is suffering on the cross VOLUNTARILY. Of course He COULD save Himself. He says, "No one takes my life from me; I lay it down willingly."
On the Cross, and in His human nature, He experiences suffering, physical and mental. He knows what it is like to feel abandoned by His Father. Not because in the metaphysical sense He is abandoned, but because He experiences the human emotion of abandonment. We feel that God is far and dark because of the results of sin and God the Son in His human nature feels this sense of abandonment and desolation as well.
Nothing annoying about any of these questions! But as with any deep religious questions, the answers always can lead to more questions. That's how books get written! :P
But the questions are smart and great. I'm happy to do my best with them.
heeey i go to a catholic school even though im a muslim.. i don't really know much about this lool
:p Sometimes, Catholic schools don't do the best job of explaining this stuff or they try to be very sensitive about forcing the study of Catholicism on non-Catholics.
Well, in the end, we can get so lost in talking and words that we forget to pay attention to the Living God behind it all. He's the one who counts and He is always deeper than our ideas of Him!
For a Christian, it is similar to when a muslim is asked, if God revealed the Torah with the laws for Moses, Why did he send Jesus after it to lay off some of the rules (for example; saturday's rest), and then, why did He need to reveal the Quraan with new laws? why not the same book the whole time?
According to what I know "alqur'an li'kul qawm, wa makaan wa zamaan" (The Quraan is for all people, places and times). while other books were specified to certain groups of people and certain times and places. (I hope i made sense)
Here is why we can say "Jesus is God."
According to the teaching of Christianity, Jesus existed before He became a Man. He existed as God from all eternity. But He stepped into Time and Space and took on the nature of a man in our world. And He keeps it forever, but as an addition, something He took on. Not as something that limits His own Divine Nature.
WHO is Jesus? What person is Jesus? Jesus is God who became a man. That's what "Jesus is God" means.
But you can't properly say "God is Jesus" because God is not limited to the man Jesus. God exists prior to and apart from the man Jesus. God the Father is not Jesus. God the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. And God the Son is not limited in His Nature to Jesus...He existed before and also still exists in His own Divine Nature always apart from the man Jesus.
"Jesus is God who became a man"!
If that is true then there was no need to be born out of Mary, he can just came to earth in a form of a man. Because angels can also be in a form of men directly without being born out of a womb of a woman. Or you are going to tell me that God want to experience how is it feels to be born out of a human being?
**Edited ~ Offending Other religions isn't allowed**
"Jesus is God who became a man"!
If that is true then there was no need to be born out of Mary, he can just came to earth in a form of a man. Because angels can also be in a form of men directly without being born out of a womb of a woman. Or you are going to tell me that God want to experience how is it feels to be born out of a human being?
**Edited ~ Offending Other religions isn't allowed**
Well, but God came in Jesus as blood of our blood and truly our brother, our relative...not just someone of the same type. And someone who went through life as we go through life. "The Son of Man came eating and drinking", He said. As the job He came to do was OUR job, it is fitting that it was so.
No, I have never understood where that thing about God wanting to feel what it's like to be a human being came from! :p I never heard that from any Christian and it seems like nonsense to me...
In any case, the Catholic Church teaches that angels may decide to look to our eyes like they have bodies, but they do not have bodies. They are pure spirits. Christ was true Man.
Great thread,Braiki ..... learned something today :) .. Jeff thnx for the Explainations ..
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