May I ask what do they ejaculate? I thought their eggs are produced in accordance with their period cycle as in women don't ejaculate their eggs, so what do they ejaculate instead?

What does this verse means?

خُلِقَ مِنْ مَاءٍ دَافِقٍ
يَخْرُجُ مِنْ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ
He is created from a water gushing forth,
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

What does this verse means?

خُلِقَ مِنْ مَاءٍ دَافِقٍ
يَخْرُجُ مِنْ بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ
He is created from a water gushing forth,
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.


:o

You tell us: what does it mean?

Can someone tell us the meaning of the arabic word التَّرَائِب
?

From the tafseer verse 86:7 means:

يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَآئِبِ } أي: من بين صلب الرجل وترائب المرأة، وهو نحرها.

That means the water is coming out of the man backbone ( صلب) and the woman chest (التَّرَآئِبِ).

but what's got to do with female ejaculation and purity ?!

Check Lym question (post 9).

Okay, men are created from the union of egg and sperm. So I've always thought.

So:

1. What does it mean that they are created from fluid from between the backbone and the ribs? Put that on your exam in Anatomy and Physiology 101 and you get 'F'.

and

2. What does that have to do with female ejaculation, which doesn't necessarily happen when babies are conceived, and in fact happens fairly rarely and with some women never?

I'm totally confused.

Jeff,

check below link for complete details about embryology and human creation between Quran & Science.

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/embryoengtext.htm

Sorry, Ice Tea, I don't see 86:7 or any discussion of these questions in your link...

I assume they would be in the first section since all the later parts are about later stages of growth.

I think what stated below explains that verse:


The sperms are formed in the testicles, which in turn are created, as proved by embryology, from cells underneath the kidneys at the back and then go down to the lower abdomen at the last weeks of pregnancy

And also this verse:


And remember when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam, from their loins, their seeds…” (7: 172).
This is a clear indication that the origin of progeny is at the region of the back where the embryonic testicles are formed. So, praise be to Allah the Omniscient.


I will also try to search for the exact meaning of verse 86:7.

Ok here is an explantion of verse 86:5-7, Embryology
By Dr. Zakir A. Naik



Man created from a drop emitted from between the Back Bone and the Ribs:
The Qur'an mentions in Surah Al-Tariq (chapter no. 86), verses 5-7; (86: 5-7)

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted proceeding from between the back bone and the ribs".

In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs

http://www.islamicvoice.com/january.97/scie.htm#CREA

Still isn't fluid from between the backbone and the ribs is it? That's cells, not fluid. And the fluid doesn't proceed from between the backbone and the ribs!

And anyway what does it have to do with female ejaculation? Nothing at all so far as I can see.

Anyway, I'll let the final word be with you, Ice Tea. I'm getting close to disputing about the Quran and as you know, I don't like to do that here.

Jeff, you can argue with doctors if you wish but you will never prove anything false in the Quran (the book of truth). :)

I think what stated below explains that verse:

Quote:
The sperms are formed in the testicles, which in turn are created, as proved by embryology, from cells underneath the kidneys at the back and then go down to the lower abdomen at the last weeks of pregnancy
And also this verse:

Quote:
And remember when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam, from their loins, their seeds…” (7: 172).
This is a clear indication that the origin of progeny is at the region of the back where the embryonic testicles are formed. So, praise be to Allah the Omniscient.

I will also try to search for the exact meaning of verse 86:7.


If there was a F-, you would have just earned it.

Sperm cells originate from beneath the kidney !

Hope you aren't in a career that involved human biology is an form or fashion.

Read post 22 again, now slowly!

I did.

Which is my Dr. Zakir Naik (although I seriously question where he even got his medical degree from) also gets an F-.

You can do your medical research then and debate with him. Will be nice to see the video.

Science has already proven, for example, that the earth is not flat.

What would be the benefit of debating with a scholar on that topic ?

The same applies to this nonsense that Dr. Naik spouts.

God, now we have to go off-topic even though I don't notice what's the point. The fatwa that Ice Tea provided should have probably ended the thread but anyhow...
Actually wudjab, I'd be delighted to read more on the subject and find out your argument has a basis. Not to mention that I can't find a thing that is 'simplified' regarding human gonad embryological development.

Waiting for your argument...And that does NOT include you going 'That Dr. Naik earns an F- and you earn an F- too' because if you keep going like that, it just means that you earn S...for Stupid.

Embryology is a fairly well developed science.

If you make the claim that "He is created from a water gushing forth,
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs" then it is for YOU to prove the claim.

NO science book says that man is created from 'water gushing forth from between the backbone and the ribs'.

Setting up a strawman to then knock down won't work.

There are many non muslim scientists who converted to Islam when they discovered how embryology and human creation described in great details in the holy Quran.

Waiting for your argument otherwsie you will get S as Threadlike said.

For my answer please refer to Biology 101.

Next you will be telling me that the moon has been split.

Wrong answer, try again.

Yes, thank you, we know it's a fairly well developed science...
Now we have a source who is a Muslim doctor known as Dr. Zakir Naik and a preacher too who says our argument on the verse is true. I hope reading it again might emphasise it's ACTUALLY from a doctor:

"In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs"

Alright, now we saw Dr. Zakir's argument we must surely see your argument.
Your argument is that 'embryology is a fairly well-developed science' and that 'no science book says it'. I'd like YOU to kindly prove to ME that my argument (and Dr. Zakir's) is wrong and YOURS (regarding the fact that the gonads do NOT descend from beneath the backbone and the ribs) is right. You just can't simply object can you?

The idea is not about an adult man but about the DEVELOPMENT of the male and female gonads in embryonic stages which is what the verse was implying. I hope you caught that so that you can build an argument against it (if you have one).

I know this will be completely useless as you will now either completely disappear or show up and say something that will prove nothing...But still, one has to try.

Well we can start with ... females do not have gonads.

So let's ask the females. How many of you have gonads?

Fengy you are not allowed to answer ... we know you have gonads :p

Silly posts should be deleted, if you have a scientific fact against what has been said by Dr. Zakir then bring it on.

No, if you (or 'Dr' Naik) are making an absurd claim that goes against established science, it is imperative upon YOU to validate the claim.

When you challenge documented scientific knowledge, then you must provide the evidence to back up the challenge.

Also "He is created from a water gushing forth, Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs" is what we are discussing.

How is this even vaugely related to this discussion on where and when the sexual glands supposedly descend from ?

Please explain this 'water gushing' phenomonen.

Here is the documented scientific knowledge:


Details of genital development
At conception, gender is determined by chromosome characteristics -


The genetic sex of a child is established at conception based on the 23rd pair of chromosomes it inherits. The mother's egg contains an X chromosome, and the father's sperm will contain either an X or Y chromosome. It is the male (or rather the male's sperm) that dictates whether the baby will be a boy or a girl.

X chromosome A baby who inherits the X chromosome from the father is a genetic female (a pair of X chromosomes).
If the embryo is female (XX), then no testosterone is made. The Wolffian duct will degrade, and the Mullerian duct will develop into female sex organs. The female clitoris is the remnants of the Wolffian duct.



Y chromosome A baby who inherits the Y chromosome from the father is a genetic male (one X and one Y chromosome).
If the embryo is a male (XY chromosomes), then testosterone will stimulate the Wolffian duct to develop male sex organs, and the Mullerian duct will degrade.



During the first few weeks of fetus development, your baby's internal and external genital structures are the same, regardless of whether you are ultimately going to have a boy or a girl.

They have two sets of organs: one that can develop into the female sex organs (Mullerian duct) and one that can develop into the male sex organs (Wolffian ducts).

The gonads will become ovaries or testicles, the phallus will become a clitoris or a penis, and the genital folds will become labia or scrotum. Which sex organs develop depends on the presence of the male hormone testosterone (in humans, the default sex is female).

The SRY gene, on the short arm of the Y chromosome, initiates male sexual differentiation. The SRY influences the undifferentiated gonad to form a testes, which produces the hormonal milieu that results in male sexual differentiation. Testosterone stimulates the Wolffian structures (epididymis, vas deferens, and seminal vesicles), and anti-Mullerian hormone (AMH) suppresses the development of the Mullerian structures (fallopian tubes, uterus, and upper vagina).

Testosterone converts to dihydrotestosterone in the skin of the external genitalia and masculinizes the external genital structures. By 12 weeks most of this male differentiation has occurred, but they are still not completely formed. On ultrasound, if your baby is cooperating, the sex can be identified as early as the 16th to 18th week of your pregnancy. The testicles remain inside the abdomen until late in the third trimester, when they usually descend into the scrotum. Sperm is not produced until puberty.


Female development will occur unless maleness is actively induced by the Y chromosome. If the embryo is female (XX), then no testosterone is made. The Wolffian duct will degrade, and the Mullerian duct will develop into female sex organs. In females, the gonads become ovaries; the uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes, and vagina form; the labia develop; and the phallus becomes a clitoris.

In girls, the ovaries contain over six million eggs, this decreases to approximately one million by birth and will be reduced to about 400 by the time of puberty

http://baby2see.com/gender/internal_genitals.html

Now you can remain ignorant if you wish.

Please point out the paragraph which describes the 'water gushing forth,
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs".

I thank.

God, Jack..Where are you from? Mars? You failed me...
"In females, the female gonads, known as the ovaries, secrete the hormones estrogen and progesterone, as well as ova. The dominant estrogen is known as estradiol, which is derived from testosterone."
Source: Wikipedia. All you had to do was search 'gonads'.

Now wudjab...I don't think I'm breaking any scientific facts if I'm having my source from a doctor and (recently) from a website about baby development.
You obviously saw the word 'PROCEEDING' in the verse...Good. That points to the embryonical stages PRIOR to the adult, developed stages of the ovaries and testicles. The water 'gushes' and the water clearly indicates spermatozoa.

You can see that in the text Ice Tea provided, it explains clearly the development of the testicles as STAYING IN THE ABDOMEN then DESCENDING TO THE SCROTUM. I don't think you need a definition of abdomen, right?
"The abdomen is the part of the body that lies between the chest and the thigh and encloses the ureters, intestines, liver, anus, bladder, gallbladder, and reproductive system outside the breast."
Source: Wikipedia.

To make a long story short, the region described by the essay Ice Tea provided us says the same thing regarding the descending of the testicles in embryonical stages to the scrotum from the abdomen. Except of course, the Qura'an was more specific saying the EXACT location between the backbone and the ribs...

God, Threadlike, you really like to muddy the waters, don't you .

He is created from a water gushing forth,
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

Please explain to me how this relates to how the descent of the testicles in an infant has anything to do with the verse above.

What you are doing is this :

You have already decided on a conclusion.
Now you are bending all the rules of science and logic to SUIT the conclusion you made.

The verse is clearly talking about sperm... which only 'gush' in an adult... but you are rambling on and on about how the sexual organs develop in child !

This link has some interesting information which methodically demolishes all the arguments put forward by the esteemed Dr. Naik and other eminent Islamic scholars.

http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Qur'an_and_Semen_Production

LOL, nice website...
The aim of the website stated:
"Asides from the fact that Islam is the primary topic at WikiIslam, the main difference between WikiIslam and Wikipedia is that the primary goal of WikiIslam is to help Muslims leave Islam by providing them with information that may otherwise not be available to them."

So, logically, the primary goal of the essay is to help me leave Islam by providing me with information (whether true or false) that will help me leave Islam. Not to mention the translation of tara'ib to female gonads instead of ribs.

No thanks...With something that biased, I don't think I'll give you an ear.
Not to mention that WikiIslam is FREE TO BE EDITED and it does not belong to Wikipedia. Wudjab...I'm pretty tired of arguing and I hate flaming and I hate doing it most of the time especially to intelligent people like you. So relax...I think my view is right, you think yours is right...And anyhow, you never believed in my views anyhow, and now I notice you don't believe in doctors either...Not at all. Not if the fact stood in front of you and danced naked.

If you are unable to refute the claims of this website, that's your loss.

The Quran is not a science textbook and moslems would be better off if they stopped trying to make it one.

There is no scientific truth in the verse claimed and all you are doing is desperately trying to fit it into a container in which it does not belong.

PPS: The site does not make that claim that 'tara'ib to female gonads instead of ribs'. The site refutes that claim which is made by the famous aplogist Becallle when he was on the payroll of the Saudi Royal Family - which is strange since even after all he discovered all these wonderful scientific truths in the Quran he still did not believe in it strongly enough to convert !

PS: Wikipedia is also free to be editied.

wudjab, I think you are confused the verse says "He is created from a water gushing forth, Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs". Now can you tell us if the second verse doesn't refer to the original creation of the male and female productive organs how it can be linked to the first verse if it refers to the water?

Even in the Quran tafseer it's mentioned that the 'tara'ib refers to females and the arabic word 'sulb' refers to men.

We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'ân) is the truth.

Funny...You know I tried editing Wikipedia once. Turned out my information was false. Two days later I didn't find that information...
Bet nobody cares about that in WikiIslam, do they? The more false information there is...The more we turn out Muslims into people who argue for nothing, the better. But hey, it's still my loss...

Oh..And if you can't provide a source that's reliable enough to support your argument, I can't see how that's my loss LOL...Regarding that scientist...He's just like you. He's seen so many signs in the Qura'an, just like many others, yet...He refused to believe in it...Your limitation to the idea that the Qura'an was never a science book is naive. It's like claiming the Bible is no science book when you point out inaccuracies in it for example (which btw, are quite many). Not to mention that WikiIslam's first amazing source is Dr. William Campbell. You should see the man's debates against Dr. Zakir Naik (which also involved that VERY SAME verse)...But obvoiusly you won't...You have no time to hear our cause but we have time to hear yours...Typical.
LOL, but you'd watch it for the fun I guess...Dr.Campbell looked like he was having constipation when Dr. Naik spoke.

Since we are on the topic here is another fact stated in the Quran:


Foetus protected by three veils of darkness:

"Allah creates you in the womb of your mother- creation after creation within three veils of darkness."

According to Prof. Keith Moore these three veils of darkness in the Qur'an refer to:

(i) anterior abdominal wall of the mother

(ii) the uterine wall

(iii) the amnio-chronic membrane.

Now wudjab will come and say this is not a proven scientific fact.

Threadlike, once more.

He is created from a water gushing forth,
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

Please explain to me how this relates to how the descent of the testicles in an infant has anything to do with the verse above.

It talks about the flow of a fluid from a particular place in the body.

Where is the reference to the supposedly original location of the testicles ?

Since we are on the topic here is another fact stated in the Quran:

Quote:
Foetus protected by three veils of darkness:

"Allah creates you in the womb of your mother- creation after creation within three veils of darkness."

According to Prof. Keith Moore these three veils of darkness in the Qur'an refer to:

(i) anterior abdominal wall of the mother

(ii) the uterine wall

(iii) the amnio-chronic membrane.


Now wudjab will come and say this is not a proven scientific fact.

Well technically before 3 months (1 month as a foetus) there is 4 as the amnion and chorion and still separate. But that is just being pedantic :)

where are the initial sperm cells produced ?

Sperm cells are produced in the ADULT testicles.

And how the testicles created?

First you answer this :

He is created from a water gushing forth,
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

What is this water that is gushing forth from between the backbone and the ribs ?

"He is created from water gushing forth"
He = man.
Water gushing forth = Semen and its ejaculation are evident in 'gushing' as you can see. This is interesting because semen usually has a pH of around 7.2 to 8 and hence its description as 'water' falls into place.
'Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs' = Starting its development from between the backbone and the ribs. Notice that these are two completely different verses that follow the same tone but not necessarily the same meaning, and the word 'solb' and 'tara'ib' are used here which mean 'backbone' and 'ribs' respectively. Now, as said before, this is a different verse. You read, just like me, the fact that in embryonical development of the testicles and ovaries descend from the abdomen region (just below the chest and just above the reproductive organs) to their final adult stages. So yes, sperm production does not start in embryonical stages, but TESTICLE development DOES indeed involve such a process as passing 'from between the backbone and the ribs'.

Please don't make me say it again...I'm tired of repeating it all the time.

What a long, convulated, torturous path you take to try and prove something that isn't there.

The Quran is saying that man is created by semen gushing forth from between somewhere high up in the chest cavity, but wait, high up only before the baby was actually born and the location of the same organs in the adult male from whence the gushing emits is somewhere completely else.

And you want us to take you seriously !

Threadlike, lemme try to summarize what you're saying:
you're saying that the 2nd verse is not talking directly about the water, it is talking about where the water comes from, the testicles? and those testicles "proceed from between the backbone and the ribs" ?

That is what Dr. Zakir Naik saying if you check page 1.

lol I read the last post of Threadlike and understood it that way, what's so hard in it?
Maybe because I know the arabic meaning :think:

Look at it this way, if wudjab agree with it then his faith will be in trouble. That is why he is refusing to understand!

I see the point for Believers: it's not the water itself that is gushing forth, but the ultimate source of the water (i.e, the semen? or the sperm?) is the testicles and the ultimate source of the testicles is the place between the ribs and the backbone, right?

It's just that if you are not a believer, it seems like a bit of a stretch. For us, it seems like saying "this machine came from my mother's womb. That's because I designed the machine and I came from my mother's womb." Doesn't sound too convincing. You CAN make a case for it, but it seems like a rationalization.

What it sounds like when you read it and you are not a Muslim is just that it's saying that man is created from fluid that comes from a certain place. Not that something that is a part of the fluid came from that place three steps back or something.

For example, suppose I say that food is digested by the brain...most of us will say: No, it isn't! But then what if we say, "Well, the stomach and intestines digest the food, but the brain sends the message to digest it, therefore the brain digests the food." Or we can say "the heart digests the food because food turns into blood which nourishes the body and the blood is circulated by the heart."

The problem is we can make these chains with almost anything.

Why not simply say that the Koran is speaking in general terms, not exact scientific terms? After all, when it says that the sun sets in a pool behind the mountains, it's just talking about the apparent sun. Why not? Scientific language is true in one way and other kinds of language are true in other ways. The sun sets...that's true. But really, if you think about it, the sun doesn't really "set" at all...it just LOOKS like it does.

So if the Koran says "the Sun sets," does that mean the Quran is wrong? Of course not! It's talking about the action of the sun from the vantage point of man. If it talked in scientific terms, we might understand it today, but no one would have understood it in the eighth century. And it has to be written for all times.

So, why not just conclude that just means that the fluid comes from the center of the body in general terms from the vantage point of an ordinary human rather than try to make it scientific? Dr. Naik is not Islam, he is just one guy making an argument about Islam.

I will grant that you CAN make this chain you guys want to make and it has SOME kind of validity. But in the end, it doesn't seem very convincing. It seems better just to treat it as a general statement of apparent truth like the sun setting: "Man is made from fluid coming from (roughly) the center of the body". So the Quran is just talking about what everybody knows, like everybody knows that the sun sets.

What can I give you Jeff is that the Qura'an DOES have many interpretations...But many prefer a non-simplistic approach since you're talking about a holy book with many, MANY angles. Many would interpret this verse in the very same terms that you did...And many would go for the interpretation we're trying to imply.

Not to mention that in a thread like this one, I'm surprised this is the only topic...The blastocyst and morula were also described in the Qura'an.

What can I give you Jeff is that the Qura'an DOES have many interpretations...But many prefer a non-simplistic approach since you're talking about a holy book with many, MANY angles. Many would interpret this verse in the very same terms that you did...And many would go for the interpretation we're trying to imply.

Not to mention that in a thread like this one, I'm surprised this is the only topic...The blastocyst and morula were also described in the Qura'an.

Also been discredited.

Threadlike, lemme try to summarize what you're saying:
you're saying that the 2nd verse is not talking directly about the water, it is talking about where the water comes from, the testicles? and those testicles "proceed from between the backbone and the ribs" ?

And how exactly did TL come to that conclusion ?

Is there any authorized Islamic interpretation that came to that conclusion ?

Or is it just another attempt to try and fit a solution to a conclusion that you have already made ?

And how exactly did TL come to that conclusion ?

Is there any authorized Islamic interpretation that came to that conclusion ?

Or is it just another attempt to try and fit a solution to a conclusion that you have already made ?

I haven't read it from any source thats what I understood from TL..
IceTea can you please copy n paste the part where Dr.Nazik says this? for Wudjab's sake :D?

Why Dr. Naik ?

Is there no acknowledged islamic scholar who has stated this position ?

(after Dr. Naik said pigs are shameless animals who like to watch as their mates are sexually abused by other pigs, I am somewhat hesitant to really take anything he says seriously).

What can I give you Jeff is that the Qura'an DOES have many interpretations...But many prefer a non-simplistic approach since you're talking about a holy book with many, MANY angles. Many would interpret this verse in the very same terms that you did...And many would go for the interpretation we're trying to imply.

Not to mention that in a thread like this one, I'm surprised this is the only topic...The blastocyst and morula were also described in the Qura'an.

Sure, I understand that first point. I hope you will allow me to be skeptical--in a friendly and respectful way--about the second point.

I'm just proposing that we can discuss Dr. Naik's approach without fearing that if he turns out to be wrong, the Quran is somehow discredited. If he is wrong, it's only Dr. Naik that is discredited.

After all, look at it this way...

If the purpose of passages like this was really to show us a scientific knowledge ahead of its times, then why not simply give a description of the sperm and the egg and how they unite? Now that would be a clear case in my mind. Even just to tell us that men are born from a union of something in the male and something in the female would be extremely remarkable. But this passage seems to imply origin only from the male.

I find many remarkable things about the Quran, but the "scientific approach" of Dr. Naik hasn't impressed me so far, though I am happy to examine it again and again. The problem is, talking about Dr. Naik sometimes upsets Muslims as if you are talking about the Quran itself! Somehow it seems also to have become a main source of their religious belief.

Some people who argue against the Quran on passages like this try to point out that the book is wrong because it gets anatomy wrong. Then Muslim defenders try to counter that by proving that it gets the anatomy exactly right!

But I think the whole argument is a false one and it ends up hurting both our religions no matter which one we apply it to.

Many Muslims do not like Dr.Naik's approach. I personally was NEVER interested in treating the Qura'an from the scientific point of view before I heard him...Because I always thought: Suppose, just suppose, a scholar tells us that the Qura'an said that the Earth was round and the next morning, scientists said, No the Earth is not round, the Earth is flat. Now, this will make the Qura'an look like a book that says wrong facts about basic scinetific ideas...So I told myself: I am never going to look at it this way because the Qura'an cannot possibly make mistakes.

Later on, however, I decided to read, just for the sake of reading. And whenever I read I MADE SURE that what I was reading was not fabricated and Dr. Naik was saying the truth. And you have seen it yourself Jeff. So far the sources that we have to discredit Dr. Naik is an article from an online Anti-Islam community known as WikiIslam, built to convert Muslims by providing them 'with information that is not availble to them'.

So yes, perhaps certain arguments of science in the Qura'an may be too far-fetched, but I still stand still that this is not among them.

Okay, well I respect you and one thing I know: I don't know everything! ;p

I don't feel the need to force everyone to agree with me...it's enough sometimes to have a sharing of the mind and then set things aside. Growth in understanding doesn't always proceed in a straight line.

You sure you want someone who writes this representing Islam ?

6. Pig is the most shameless animal

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years. According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.


http://www.drzakirnaik.com/Features/QAOnIslam/tabid/56/ItemId/10/Default.aspx