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Endure Whisper 28-05-07, 07:08 PM From this website:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545894
I've learnt that:
As far as Taharah (purification) from male secretions is concerned, Ghusl is obligatory only in two cases: ejaculation of sperm and sexual intercourse.
I also know that women also must perform purification after a sexual intercourse. But what if she got an orgasm by other means other than sexual intercourse (like oral sex), does she still have to perform purification?
Purification for a man is based on whether they ejaculate or not. But women don't ejaculate anything like that, so I think it would follow a different line of reasoning. Perhaps it might mean only when they engage in sexual intercourse.
I am not sure, just trying to use my logic.
amo_l_oman 28-05-07, 09:24 PM Female ejaculation exists but is not easy to reach
As I understand it from here (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2125&CATE=129), ghusl seems necessary also without direct contact
sophis^catrina 30-05-07, 01:31 AM But women don't ejaculate anything like that.
Women do ejaculate, although quite rare.
I think its better to wash in any case, it's always good to wash!
I think this fatwa is related to the topic:
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Question:
If a female has an orgasm without intercourse, is she required to perform ghusl before she can say her prayers?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
If maniy (fluid emitted at the point of climax) comes out of a woman without intercourse, she has to do ghusl. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded women to do ghusl if they notice water (fluid), as was reported by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (1/51), and by al-Bukhaari (282) and al-Nasaa’i (1/114) from Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her) who said: Umm Sulaim, the wife of Abu Talhah, came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, Allaah is not too shy to tell the truth. Does a woman have to do ghusl if she has an (erotic) dream?” He said, “Yes, if she sees water (fluid).” In this hadeeth, he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded women to do ghusl if they see water, i.e., maniy.
Al-Baghawi said in Sharh al-Sunnah (2/9): Ghusl for janaabah (impurity following sexual activity) is waajib (obligatory) if either of the following applies: either the tip of the penis penetrates the vagina, or the gushing liquid is emitted by the man or the woman… The scholars said that ghusl does not become obligatory unless one is sure that what one feels of wetness comes from the gushing liquid.
Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni (1/200): The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) connected doing ghusl to seeing (the fluid) when he said: “If you see the water and if the water gushed out , then do ghusl.” The ruling does not apply otherwise.
Ibn Hajar said in al-Fath (1/389): This indicates that ghusl is obligatory for women, if they emit fluid at the point of climax.
Ibn Rajab said in al-Fath (1/338): This hadeeth indicates that if a woman sees an (erotic) dream and notices the fluid when she wakes up, she has to do ghusl. This was the view of the majority of scholars and no dissenting view is known except for that of al-Nakha’i, who is the odd one out.
This hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) makes the matter quite clear, which is that if any fluid is emitted by the woman – whether it is a little or a lot – then she has to do ghusl.
On the basis of the above, if a woman feels that some fluid has come out of her vagina, even if it is only a little, then she has to do ghusl, because of the report to that effect. It is not sufficient for her to do wudoo’ in this case unless the fluid which was emitted was not the kind of fluid for which ghusl is required, such as madhiy (lubricating secretion) etc., in which case wudoo’ is sufficient. And Allaah knows best.
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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Women do ejaculate, although quite rare.
May I ask what do they ejaculate? I thought their eggs are produced in accordance with their period cycle as in women don't ejaculate their eggs, so what do they ejaculate instead?
sophis^catrina 30-05-07, 06:50 PM May I ask what do they ejaculate? I thought their eggs are produced in accordance with their period cycle as in women don't ejaculate their eggs, so what do they ejaculate instead?
Female ejaculation is believed to be caused by a release of fluid from the Skene's glands. These glands are located inside the urethra.
www.coolnurse.com/sex_glossary/glossary_f.htm
Female ejaculation refers to the expulsion of noticeable amounts of fluid from the urethra by women during orgasm. The largest component of this fluid is said to be generated by Skene's glands. The fluid is said by some simply to be urine (due to stress incontinence), but others report a clear or milky fluid which emerges (sometimes with force) and has a composition similar to the fluid generated in males by the prostate gland.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation
For more info check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation#The_.27female_prostate.27_and_f emale_ejaculation
they do while having a sexual intercourse, its a white liquid like sperms but it has no effect on anything (I think) it rarely comes out in a sexual intercourse..
So, if the girl "lubricates" down there as biology refers to it, then should she perform ghusl as well? I think when that happens, it is not the same as when she ejaculates, so I am wondering, does the same thing apply when she "lubricates"?
Thread has been Edited, you guys can continue the debate at Islam & Embyology ("http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46940) as the posts concerning that topic were moved there
Ice tea's pst summed it up.
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