Sallam,

Now, this is an interesting thing to read but its really pathetic and sad.

It’s astonishing how easy to some people to change The Halal to Haraam and The Haraam to Halal.

check the below links and you will know what i am talking about:

Alarabiya (http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2007/05/16/34518.html)


Alkhaleej (http://www.alkhaleej.ae/articles/show_article.cfm?val=386850)

I tried to look for an English version of this news, but I was not lucky enough to get it. I will try my best to feed our non-Arab readers to understand the story:

There was a Fatwa [a religious decision] made by Dr. Izat Atya a teaching member of The Hadith Department at Al-Azhar University in regard permitted a lady to breast-feed her male colleague at work. By breast-feeding the male colleague she will be able to take-off her Hijab and she will be to show any of her body parts infront of him and she will not have to worry that she is in an office with some one strange to her!

How does breast-feeding permits all the above, is by the same technique that Islam had allowed ladies to breast-feed little children/ infants and this automatically builds a motherhood and child relation. So any child who was breast-fed by a lady not his/her mother is levelled like his/her mother and the boy or the guy can never marry his mother by breast-fed. Also if the lady who breast fed that child had other kids, then they automatically become the child’s siblings by breast-fed. In that case a boy can not marry his sister by breast-fed. And they are meant to treat each other like real brother and sister.

So now Dr. Izat Atya is permitting a mature lady to breast-feed her mature male colleague in the name of permitting a relation that will allow them to be under the same roof of an office without having to have any restrictions. Plus the couple who had taken this action will get a certificate that the lady who is so and so had breast-fed the man who is so and so and they are free from any restrictions…

Dr. Izat claims that he had based his fatwa on referring back to the Hadith of the Prophet and the incidents that took place in his life time…

The Religion Scholars of the Al-Azhar University are against this teaching because this does not bring any good to the Muslim society, but it will bring more of sinful act and disrespectful. They asked for Dr. Izat to be stopped from teaching till they go through the whole investigation about his claims. They also say that the Hadith that he was referring to was no place of being a correct Hadith [saheh].

So far the religions Scholars are terminating any correctness in claims or fatwa of what Dr. Izat.

I read about this but I don't like to bring stuff like that up here in case it seems like I'm attacking or something.

But I did find it strange!

He had apologies for this (******) fatwa !

I really don't know what he was thinking when he said such fatwa :bomb:

hi,

But what can a word SORRY do for us?

He had ruined our picture and he caused damages and cracks to many, especially to those who are just awaiting an excuse to start sinning...


Allah yehdena wa yahdihum = May Allah guid us and guid them

I read about this but I don't like to bring stuff like that up here in case it seems like I'm attacking or something.

But I did find it strange!

its not only strange but its crazy and he was out of his mind for sure.

im speechless ! :)
i hope the women i work with will do the same to me ! :)
calcium is good for you ! :)

This is actually funny... who hired him ?
But blah, logically nonsense.

Here's an English version of the story:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708655924&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Now, I know it sounds ridiculous, but where is the guy's REASONING wrong?

I don't know much about it...I was surprised when I first heard about "breast-feeding mother and son" a few years ago. We don't have that idea at all....

Here's an English version of the story:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178708655924&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Now, I know it sounds ridiculous, but where is the guy's REASONING wrong?

I don't know much about it...I was surprised when I first heard about "breast-feeding mother and son" a few years ago. We don't have that idea at all....

Thank you Jeff for providing the link, as our intrenet services at work is going crazy and i couldn't do much with searching for this news in English.


:)

Ya! I know about this haha..

it's just sad..

Let's take a wild guess, what was going through his mind when he issued such a "ruling"?

That was a busty ruling

Let's take a wild guess, what was going through his mind when he issued such a "ruling"?

That was a busty ruling

DRUNK?:think:

I think Hitman is suggesting that he had somebody in mind and wanted to take his own advice! :p

That's a possibility!

"Come here sister and let's become relatives!"

Urgh...The way we're evolving. Seriously if some of our scholars are any slower, we'd be going backwards.

this is sick, very sick!

LOL WTF!!!
That is one crazy fatwa. I wonder if there are people who would actually take it seriously. :rolleyes:

The thing is...I've heard he said that when the "process" happens, lol..they'll be brother and sister, but wouldn't that make her his mum? LOL, I'm losing it :XD:

.. lol.. no comments!! .. what if i work say with a group of 10 or 20 ladies.. shall they all breast-feed me !!? that would take ages to be done!!

The thing is...I've heard he said that when the "process" happens, lol..they'll be brother and sister, but wouldn't that make her his mum? LOL, I'm losing it :XD:

TRUE! :XD: so if he has to be her BROTHER, he has to look for her mom and get breast feeding from her..
Okay now whoever supports this fatwa will change their minds :XD:

Absolutely disgusting. He should be burned to death.

I've seen kinkier ... Sorrytry again

He is nuts. What better way to legitimize foreplay between non-mahrams, considering that women cannot breast feed unless they had a baby recently.

When I read 'breast feed' and 'grown man' or 'male collegue' I was :omg:

It's not like milk is scarce now, is it? :hyper:

its not but human milk is better than cow milk i guess ! :)

He is nuts. What better way to legitimize foreplay between non-mahrams, considering that women cannot breast feed unless they had a baby recently.

Well, I was thinking he had a situation in which milk was available in mind. But I guess then we need a fatwa on "What is breast feeding?"

i guess that also means that if a guy drinks milk brought from a cow then THAT cow becomes his mother ! :)
wow farmers have MANY mothers ! :)

loooooooooooooooooool wtf!


hahahahhahahahhahahahahahha

seriously what was he thinking?

lool!

LOOL! my god! this is just too funny hahahahahaha

exactly! i wonder what was he thinking when he came up with this

"Come here sister and let's become relatives!"

LOL! :hyper:

There was a Fatwa [a religious decision] made by Dr. Izat Atya a teaching member of The Hadith Department at Al-Azhar University in regard permitted a lady to breast-feed her male colleague at work.I don't think it's funny in the least. Maybe sad but not funny.

This is a Dr at a respectable ME university.

This is a Dr at a respectable ME university.

......... Was ...........

I'm still trying to understand this.

Okay, if you're a girl and your mom suckled your third cousin when he was a baby, can you be in the same room alone with him because he's your breast-feeding brother?

ya, he's like your brother then.

That's what I thought.

So, then, why is the fatwa incorrect? Or is it technically correct, but just bad or ridiculous for some other reason?

I mean, of course it SOUNDS kuku to me. But I'm trying to figure out the reality behind it.

These issues are well documented in several Hadith where the prophet said this was an acceptable way to deal with non related people living together.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3424

The mufti made his fatwa based on strong islamic precedence as documented in several hadith.

Wudjab is right:

Chapter 28: SUCKLING OF A YOUNG (BOY)


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Book 008, Number 3424:
' A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed


:think:

I know he is right
but if we use the rules for silly reasons to our personal advantage
Goodbye

That would only mean one thing then: a sudden huge increase in cases of incest.

Why would that happen ?

Back when they were not related to each other, sleeping together would be called adultery. Now that they are brother and sister, or mother and son, or whatever their new relationship is, sleeping together is called incest.

That hadeeth is one of the large number of fabricated ahadeeth in Sahih Bukhari/Muslim..et al

I've also thought of special punishment for all those so called scholars that issue such rulings

How about making him suckle all the gays in his neighborhood?

That hadeeth is one of the large number of fabricated ahadeeth in Sahih Bukhari/Muslim..et al

Now this is an interesting question that I would love to know the answer to.

I thought ALL the hadith in Bukhari and Muslim are rated strong.

So, are you saying, HITMAN, that you think a re-examination of the classical hadith ratings is a good idea? Or do I have the wrong notion about Bukahari and Muslim?

Wudjab is right:


:think:

Where did you get this hadith, BTW? Is there a link? Or can you give a citation to a written source? And what collection did it come from?

it is from the website that Wudjab provided, which claims to have Hadiths from Sahih Muslim, I have edited my post so you can easily find it..

*Off-topic*
No jeff, Shia believe that Bukhari and Muslims Hadiths are not all correct

This Hadith, if it's true, doesn't make sense to me at all

Thanks, Braiki.

Yes, this is probably THE standard site in English for academic work on ahadith. It is used by scholars of every religion, including Muslims. It is sponsored by the Muslim Student Association of the University of Southern California.

So, I think it's genuine.

But now I wonder if I have the right idea about Sahih Muslim...is it in fact all strong hadiths? Do you know? Ah, well, I guess I'll have to go try to find out...

Here's what Wikipedia says about Sahih Muslim:

Imam Muslim (full name Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Nisapuri) was born in 202 A.H. and died in 261 A.H. He traveled widely to gather his collection of ahadith, including to Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt. Out of 300,000 ahadith which he evaluated, only 4,000 approximately were extracted for inclusion into his collection based on stringent acceptance criteria. Each report in his collection was checked for compatibility with the Qur'an, and the veracity of the chain of reporters had to be painstakingly established. Muslim was a student of Bukhari and Ahmad ibn Hanbal.

Apparently, it's one of the basic hadith collections for Sunni scholars. But Wikpedia says that Ibadis have their own collection....

Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out why the guy got fired if he's right! Did they just think he shouldn't be recommending this to his students even if he was technically correct?

Sunnis Believe that it is, I am a Sunni however I don't believe that all the stories/hadiths that were told about/by the prophet are correct, even the most correct books are believed to have such incorrect Hadiths, thats my personal view tho.

*Off-topic*
No jeff, Shia believe that Bukhari and Muslims Hadiths are not all correct

This Hadith, if it's true, doesn't make sense to me at all

Yes, but most here are not Shia, is that right? And this scholar is Sunni.

Anyway, I think all of us find some things in our religion that don't make sense to us! Sometimes after years of meditation, we come to understand. Sometimes, we just have to accept without understanding!

Here's an example from the Bible:

On the journey, at a place where they spent the night, the Lord came upon Moses and would have killed him.
But Zipporah took a piece of flint and cut off her son's foreskin and, touching his person, she said, "You are a spouse of blood to me."
Then God let Moses go. At that time she said, "A spouse of blood," in regard to the circumcision.

Exodus 4: 24-26.

That's the whole story! :think:

Sunnis Believe that it is, I am a Sunni however I don't believe that all the stories/hadiths that were told about/by the prophet are correct, even the most correct books are believed to have such incorrect Hadiths, thats my personal view tho.

That's an interesting view and one I respect. But I don't think it's the traditional Sunni view.

Anyway, the heart of our religions don't change, but some things do change because we have new experiences and ideas that people haven't had before and so we need to ask new questions.

I think the whole issue of photography, for example, brought up a lot of new questions for Muslims about 100 years ago and made them think more deeply about the whole issue of images than they had done before.

And maybe in a world of nuclear weapons and biological weapons we will both have to rethink our approach to war and justice.

Probably the issue of adult suckling will not be the major issue for any of us! :p

I guess it just made sense to the scholar. That suckling a bunch of grown men would be better than a woman working among a bunch of men that aren't related or forbidden to her.

Afaik, Islam does not say when suckling should be stopped (or even how young a bride could be. Even an infant could get married if its parents married it off.)

When life is lived according to a manual, some people will find loop holes in the manual to 'get away' with stuff that common sense would tell us is wrong.

Does it mean that a scholar working in Al Azar doesn't know which are the fake hadith ?

yeah i read about this before,i got it via e-mail.

i think it's absurd to think such thoughts i mean what the hell ? a woman breast feeding a man ? never happened before .

that Dr i s just horn.y .

Hey lookie...EVERYONE is ignoring the last paragraph. And no one had read the articles provided or what :os?
The explanation to this from another scholar:
والخلاصة تتمثل في الرأي الذي تفرد به الشيخ محمد بن صالح العثيمين فهو يقول في كتاب "الشرح الممتع على زاد المستنقع في الفقه الحنبلي" الجزء 13 صفحة 435 و436: بعد انتهاء التبني لا يجوز ارضاع الكبير ولا يؤثر ارضاع الكبير.. أي أنه في الأصل محرم ولا يؤثر، لأن الرضاع لابد أن يكون في الحولين وقبل الفطام..

Translation:
And the summary is in the opinon that was adapted by Sheikh Mohammed Bin Saleh Al Othaimin who says in one of his books (that has quite a tough name), part 13, pages 435 and 436: 'After the end of the adaptation it is NOT PERMISSABLE to breast feed the adult, that is, in its core it is Haram and does not affect any relation and breastfeeding should only be in the two years of infancy only.

The man also adds that the story is actually about a boy called Salim and his story is SO rare because it came JUST after the prohibition of adapting children, and hence with the cancellation of the circumstances, cancels the belief itself. (you'll need to read more on that if you wanna know the whole 'prohibition' idea too).

Another scholar, Sheikh Mahir Aql that when Ibn al Qayem (a great scholar as you may have heard) when he mentioned this hadeeth said that it was a fatwa that was SPECIFICALLY MADE for Salim the step-son of Abu Huthaifa because breastfeeding lasts only two years after birth and from its conditions is that it strengthens the bones and helps build up the body and breastfeeding the adult only causes sexual desire.

So it was okay for Salim, no longer an infant, to breast feed from a grown woman ?

I THINK that makes sense, Threadlike.

At least what I'm hearing is that in the opinion of at least one noted scholar, this hadith has no application outside itself. Is that right?

So it was okay for Salim, no longer an infant, to breast feed from a grown woman ?

Wudjab--no sarcasm intended!--I must say it's great to see you back and feeling yourself.

Salim had JUST passed puberty (which would be around 12 years considering the conditions back then) but it was a special case and the prophet PBUH had allowed it for him, so yeah...It was okay for HIM only.

And yes Jeff, that is right...
And if people who know Arabic actually bother to read the whole article, there are many scholars who disagree with Dr. Izat Ataya...This guy is just one of the people who object. Not to mention that IBAN AL QAYEM, one of the greatest Islamic scholars, said this was not allowed and that the case of Salim was a complete exception. I'm sorry, but beside Ibn Al Qayem, Mr. Izat, with whatever Ph.Ds he might have...doesn't stand a chance.

What a strange story this is.

Why would the Prophet recommend that a 12 year old boy be breastfed by someone other than his mother ?

Always trying to get people attention .. Another sad story ..

that's how you can go 2millions years back! this guy lost his mind!:yell:

Why are we discussing this ? i see no point , i received this in my mail i didnt forward it to anyone , i was soo offended by what was written about Prophet :PBUH: . :(

The wannabe Mufti apologised so now we all know this is a complete Bull .end of the story.

Salim had JUST passed puberty (which would be around 12 years considering the conditions back then) but it was a special case and the prophet PBUH had allowed it for him, so yeah...It was okay for HIM only.


I think it is very important to note that the Quran recommends to breastfeed until the baby reaches the age of two.

I think it is very important to note that the Quran recommends to breastfeed until the baby reaches the age of two.

Sallam,

Exactly my point…

In the Quran it was made clear about the breast-feeding.


Although even if the story about Salim and Sayyda Aisha is correct, then we should not forget that there are many things that happened in the life of our Prophet and they were many thing were permitted at his life time and are not permitted to us any more.

There were things that only suited their life time to go with and they don’t suit our current life time.

There are many examples and some of them are:

*When the prophet :PBUH: allowed the Muslim who were battling with him to lengthen their hair and not to cut or trim, for to cut the hair will require a bit of time and they did not have enough time to spend cutting their hair instead of battling with the Prophet:PBUH: . Although sometime later he requested all the Muslim who were battling with him to cut their hair or shave their head completely and trim their beard or shorten them or even arrange their hair and tie them, because the Kuffar at that time used to pull the head hair and the beards of the Muslim and uses it as a weak point to drag the Muslims while in the battle.

In our current life, there is no reason for Muslim men to have long styled hair, cause it is easy to trim, cut or even shave their head with no time taken. There are barber shops every where and are not expansive. Plus there are many shaving tools sold every where and any one can get their hands on.

*The prophet :PBUH: allowed the temporary marriage for those who battled and stayed away from their wives and families for many months. The only reason for such temporary marriage was because Muslim men are human and they needed to fulfil their needs too, and because Islam does not allow adultery or having sexual relation out of marriage, then the temporary marriage was allowed for them to fulfil their desire in the correct way. Also another reason for allowing such marriage was because of the long travelling distance that took them to travel from one point to another, that will keep them away from their families. So it was difficult to cope with the challenge of many months of travel and being away…

In our current days, Alhamdullilah things are easy and the travel is not challenging any more. You can fly from one point to another within hours and even less. Also you can take your wife or kids with you without any difficulties of travel or the type of travelling method that you will use. So there is no need for such temporary marriage to be allowed in our current days for there is no reason for such act to take place.

Any way there are many other examples but I only wanted to mention these two because they are the most common acts within the Muslim society and people do not want or may be even ignore to know that there are things were allowed temporary for that certain time with strong reasons that served that period of time, and can not suit our current time. They should only keep it for the past and not bring it to the present for there is no place for them.

Such as this story about the breast-fed, it happened at that time for some reasons, and I don’t think it requires happening now, because there is no strong reason for it to happen or to take place.

Some of these Scholars, instead of opening Muslim minds to the correct path and enlighten them to do right things; they send them back to the Stone Age and teach them un-necessary things.

I just feel sorry for those new Muslim comers and they way they will understand such things. Also feeling sorry for those already Muslims who try to find a way to commit the wrong act in the name of Islam.

But Wikpedia says that Ibadis have their own collection....




That is true and it's the most authentic book after the holy Quran.

Don’t ask me then why I get pissed of religion sometimes and religion experts as will?

check this out ....

http://www.alwatanvoice.com/arabic/content-88613.html

LMAO!!! WTF?


EW!!...
And thats why i don't trust these people!!!!

I heared of this ages ago ... and I still get majorly grossed out :yuk:

What mentality haha

to be honest i have never been proud of Al-Azhar fatwa's, they already have an image of being the most complicated un-united fatwa makers; this happens because there is no "marji3iya" in this institution and thats why you'll find a weird fatwa issued every other day from there.

There are always the extremists and the people that take the wrong approach, no need to get pissed off at religon, just do what you believe in, we all have different limits :)

As for this fatwa; it is one of THE worst and most embarrasing things they have ever come up with ! A dude here has been going around saying pineapple is ''haram'' :s
Just gotta learn to ignore sometimes ...

This is so old.

Basically the fatwa was saying that if a boy or girl wanted to be together then the boy could suckle the girl because suckling makes the child mahram to the adult. However, then the man can't marry the girl. So, presumably they want to be together because they like each other, but then he suckles from her and she becomes haram for him to marry, which doesn't make sense. And moreover, there is this hadith in Malik's Muwatta:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar said, "There is no kinship by suckling except for a person who is nursed when he is small. There is no kinship by suckling over the age of two years." (Book #30, Hadith #30.1.6)

So, you can't suckle someone over two years of age and expect them to be made your mahram as Allah says in the Qur'an:

The mothers shall give suck to their offspring for two whole years 2:233

We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: In pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth. The carrying of the (child) to his weaning is (a period of) thirty months. 46:15

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:XD: these people r really turning the world upside-down they should be kicked b4 saying anything:yes: and the other al-azhar fatwa regarding kissing is other circle wave these people r sick:XD:

I think they're gone completely NUTS.

This is quite old, nevertheless nasty!
I think the scholar was kicked out of Al Azhar, and the fatwa discarded.

Good for him. Pervert. :bored:

I think there was a thread about this long time ago.

This what happens when people ask for fatwas for anything and everything and dont use the gift that God gave them in their thick skulls. :bored:

Threads were merged

Old Fatwa...

I strongly believe in this quote : "أفتي نفسك ولو أفتاك الناس"
Some muslim scholars are just so pathetic and insane! And most of their fatwas are no sense.

^Well that guy was not completely insane.
He WAS using a Sahih hadith in his fatwa.
Unfortunately, he interpreted it completely the wrong way and didn't keep in mind that with the ban of adoption which followed the prophet's PBUH's ruling, this ruling in the hadith is not applicable anymore to our times.

I remember when it came up months ago, the Egyptian newspapers had some of the funniest caricatures where a man holds some biscuits in one hand and approaches a co-working female as he goes, 'I just want enough for breakfast' :XD:

LOL! Nice Thready!

He's not the top dude, the Mufti of Egypt, or necessarily the chosen mufti of anyone at all. So "a guy from Al Azhar says" is not the same as "Al Azhar says". Personally I have a lot of respect for Ahmed Tantawi. And he never said I should munch on some lady's norks.

The thing about Al Azhar is that it's a school of theological research. It is a forum for debate, discussion, revision and hypothesis. The man is question is just a scholar. Any scholar. I.e. just a guy who chooses to study things, and give his opinion (which is all a fatwa is).

I have two big issues about this:

1. We set waaaay too much store by so-called "scholars" and "sheikhs" and "muftis". These titles mean nothing in themselves. Anyone who studies is a scholar, even if he's an idiot. Anyone who is looked up to by a group of people is a "sheikh", and anyone who is asked for a religious opinion is a "mufti". There are some great scholars, some wise muftis, some venerable sheikhs in this world. But there are also some half-wits and monkeys who use these titles, and that's why we have to be extremely wary of listening to them.

The source material of the Qur'An and the Sunna is available to all. And the day we are scared to read it and think about it without permission from some reactionary old muppet with a henna'd beard, is the day we created a whole group of Muslim priests and bishops. That's a baaad thing.

2. We need more places like Al Azhar. Of course not every institution of study can have the same history and tradition, but any place on Earth can allow free debate and discussion of religion. I think the Islamic World is in a very dark place right now, where the most intelligent are bullied into silence by the most dogmatic and ignorant. More debate, more questions, more genuine seeking of knowledge and challenges to received wisdom, are needed to keep Islamic practice strong and proud.

I am actually happy that this dude gave his fatwa. Of course I think it's nonsense, but the point is that he had the right to say it, and then the people had the right to ridicule it. This is very healthy - more stupid fatwas and more derision for them please!

That fatwa is an insult to women and to Islam. Disgusting.

sounds like one of those nappy clad adult guys on Jerry Springer.

That fatwa is an insult to women and to Islam. Disgusting.

Exactly...He doesn't represent Islam anymore in my view :)

I totaly agree with Mimosa .. we need open discussions and free debate .. but I doubt the masses are ready for them .. we are very used to close our minds and follow blindly without questioning .. after all, its the easiest way! This is why, when a fatwa like this comes, it shakes them .. because it shows them that they need to know more about thier religion, something they are very lazy to do.

LOL! Nice Thready!

He's not the top dude, the Mufti of Egypt, or necessarily the chosen mufti of anyone at all. So "a guy from Al Azhar says" is not the same as "Al Azhar says". Personally I have a lot of respect for Ahmed Tantawi. And he never said I should munch on some lady's norks.

The thing about Al Azhar is that it's a school of theological research. It is a forum for debate, discussion, revision and hypothesis. The man is question is just a scholar. Any scholar. I.e. just a guy who chooses to study things, and give his opinion (which is all a fatwa is).

I have two big issues about this:

1. We set waaaay too much store by so-called "scholars" and "sheikhs" and "muftis". These titles mean nothing in themselves. Anyone who studies is a scholar, even if he's an idiot. Anyone who is looked up to by a group of people is a "sheikh", and anyone who is asked for a religious opinion is a "mufti". There are some great scholars, some wise muftis, some venerable sheikhs in this world. But there are also some half-wits and monkeys who use these titles, and that's why we have to be extremely wary of listening to them.

The source material of the Qur'An and the Sunna is available to all. And the day we are scared to read it and think about it without permission from some reactionary old muppet with a henna'd beard, is the day we created a whole group of Muslim priests and bishops. That's a baaad thing.

2. We need more places like Al Azhar. Of course not every institution of study can have the same history and tradition, but any place on Earth can allow free debate and discussion of religion. I think the Islamic World is in a very dark place right now, where the most intelligent are bullied into silence by the most dogmatic and ignorant. More debate, more questions, more genuine seeking of knowledge and challenges to received wisdom, are needed to keep Islamic practice strong and proud.

I am actually happy that this dude gave his fatwa. Of course I think it's nonsense, but the point is that he had the right to say it, and then the people had the right to ridicule it. This is very healthy - more stupid fatwas and more derision for them please!

Amen to all that. :yes:

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I am actually happy that this dude gave his fatwa. Of course I think it's nonsense, but the point is that he had the right to say it, and then the people had the right to ridicule it. This is very healthy - more stupid fatwas and more derision for them please!


It is not good for him because if he keeps on issuing wrong fatwas (that contradicts with the Islamic teachings) people will not consider him a reliable source.

LOOOOOL .. niiice!

What was the Hadith ? .. anyone has it ?

It is not good for him because if he keeps on issuing wrong fatwas (that contradicts with the Islamic teachings) people will not consider him a reliable source.

You miss my point Brother Tea: He is NOT a reliable source, so let him speak out so people know it. And maybe seeing so-called scholars say daft things will help people to remember that they should use their brains as well as their ears when learning about religion.