Quoting a member from a recent thread in Islamic Sabla:


Is there anything left in this world that isn't haram????




Ok, dear brothers and sisters, let's try together to make a comparative list of what is haram (prohibited) vs. what is halal (permissible)... we can start off anywhere: clothing, foods, drinks, you name it.

Once we've got a reasonable list, dicussion will follow...


Looking forward to your contribution.

Haram:

Alcohol


Halal:

Water
Sparkling water
Orange juice
Apple juice
Pinapple juice
Lemonade
Mango juice
Pomegranate juice
Lemon n Mint
Guava juice
Grape juice
Soft drinks (Pepsi, coke, mountain dew, sprite, shani, etc, etc..)
Milk
Laban
Coffee
Tea (all knids: green tea, Earl Grey, Black tea, herbal tea)
Smoothies
Fruit cocktails

And the list goes on..

Haram:

Pork

Halal:

Fish
Chicken, Turkey, Pigeons (falcons and such are haram, eh?)
Shrimp
Lamb
Beef
Rabbits

Don't know what else..

Haram

Gold
Silk

Halal

Cotton
Polyester
Nylon
Linen
Leather
Wool
Hemp
Latex
Spandex
Silver
Iron
Copper
Steel
Aluminium
Etc...

But I think that member, whoever it was...didn't mean this about food or drinks. It's more about the whole lifestyle, I guess. I bet this quote was in the sex thread, lol.

Moderator: please delete mocking off topics such as Morpha's and Jack's as I don't want this to turn into a silly thread. Thanks.

Let me get into women, :p

Haram:

Too much perfume, the men shouldn't be able to smell it(right?)

Tight clothes.

showing any body part other than hands and face.

Loud voice near men.

Dealing with men (For sad el thara2i3?)

Marry non-Muslims.

Can't inherit as much as the male does.

Have more than one husband.

plucking eyebrows.

hair extensions.

Will add later :p

Halal:

What's left I guess.

Let me get into women, :p

Haram:


Can't inherit as much as the male does


Is this haram or it becomes authomatically cause is against your expectations ;)

Is this haram or it becomes authomatically cause is against your expectations ;)

Isn't it haram? sorry, I didn't get what you meant.

haram:

muslim woman marring non-muslim

worshiping aphrodite

Isn't it haram? sorry, I didn't get what you meant.
Indeed is not permissible but when am asked of listing halal/haram stuff, I think more of objects, food and first things coming to my mind are those for what I have no quick logical explanation
Inheritance for me is not such big deal
This thread is interesting cause shows how human mind works in different ways

haram ...

sex without marriage ... bigtime haram

females traveling without their male escorts

cavorting with the opposite sex

Indeed is not permissible but when am asked of listing halal/haram stuff, I think more of objects, food and first things coming to my mind are those for what I have no quick logical explanation
Inheritance for me is not such big deal
This thread is interesting cause shows how human mind works in different ways

It's not? how come...to be it is. And, this is what I'm saying...that quote maybe wasn't only about "objects" maybe.

haram ...

sex without marriage ... bigtime haram

females traveling without their male escorts

cavorting with the opposite sex
I was told Sex before marriage isn't allowed in Christianity either...a Christian told me this.

And, many women travel alone...

Plus, what are you doing?! :p

I was told Sex before marriage isn't allowed in Christianity either...a Christian told me this.I think that's true.

And, many women travel alone...but it is haram ... there is a milage limit?

Plus, what are you doing?! :pWell i'm cavorting with the opposite sex! :p

I think that's true.

but it is haram ... there is a milage limit?

Well i'm cavorting with the opposite sex! :p

If it's true, then why did you put it in the Islamic haram list ?:p

I don't know if it's haram, but many do travel alone, all I know is that we can't go to mecca without our "mahram"

Cavort my friend, cavort :p

Women Beautification

Haram
Plucking Eyebrows
Tatoo
Hair Extension


Halal
Body wax
Creams
Makeup (makeup itself is not haram, how its used is haram)
Dying Hair
Perfume
Shampoo
Soap
Hair Gel

Dying hair non-black if Ur hair in black ..

For Men's hair ;

Haram
cutting ur hair with a style ..

Halal
Cutting Ur hair equally from all sides or save it all
or leave it ..

Women Beautification

Haram
Plucking Eyebrows

but the thing is: it is haram depending on how much you pluck and not the fact that u do pluck..if it's only a little bit to separate the connecting eyebrows , then i see nothing wrong with that. I heard from a scholar that it is haram to take all of the eyebrow hairs off and draw with a pencil. I dont see why it would haram to remove extra hairs to make them look nice. Some people dont do it because they want to attract men..some do it because it makes them feel better and cleaner....like me..i dont do it to make myself attractive to men..ASHEEMA! i do it because it looks better and cleaner. But there are others however, that DO remove too much and make them look attractive to men.

Angel Eyes, if I understand well this thread is not about how much you pluck or why it is haram .. its just stating the Harams and Halals ..

I beleive plucking is haram period!.. you dont agree and you other understanding to the hadith its up to you ..

Sallam,

Bimmi, well done in starting this thread, and inshallah it will be a very good guidance to every one who doesn’t know what to do or what to choose of Halal and Haram.

I couldn’t think much at this moment, but I could only think of the following, I hope it will be useful to every one.

Haram:

• To over cook or cook or order lots of food for a small number of people
• To fill your plate with lots of food more than what you need
• To eat a little of your plate and then throw the rest away
• To eat using your left hand or hold a glass to drink from


Halal:

• To cook a reasonable amount of food that serves the right number
• If it happens that you have cooked a lot and was sure no one else will have it, then you are ought to give it to those who are in need of this food [Sadaqa = give out]
• To fill your plate with a reasonable amount of food that you are sure you will finish it off your plate.
• To use your right hand for eating and holding a glass to drink

*If you are left handed then try your best to use your right hand to eat and hold your glass/cup to drink off and keep on practicing you will find you self getting there.

Haram:

• To show your hair in public and infront of strangers

Halal:

• To show your hair when you are surrounded with family and female friends
• To style your hair in which ever style but not to show off in public, but you can in an indoor environment such as in occasions if you are invited to a wedding or parties with female friends only or close family members

Haram:

In public,

• To wear tight clothing or jeans with short shirts or the ones that are transparent
• To short/mini skirts showing your legs
• To wear sleeveless or very tight T-Shirt

Halal:

In public,

• To wear reasonably loose shirt or T-Shirt with long sleeves
• Wide Jeans or trousers
• Long skirts and reasonable width, not too long because you don't want to clean the streets :p

• But you can still wear what ever you want in private as long as you don’t appear infront of strangers and the clothing is not that disrespecting or seducing, especially if you are to spear infront of your father, brothers, uncles and cousins.

Haram:

If you are a student abroad (for girls):

• To share a flat/house with a male gender who is not your brother or father or uncle or son.

Halal:

• To share a flat/ house with any female gender if she was related to you or not as long as there is an understanding and respects to each others religion and believes.

Haram:

If you are a student abroad (for guys):

• To share a flat/house with a female gender who is not your sister or mother or auntie or daughter.

Halal:

• To share a flat/ house with any male gender if he was related to you or not as long as there is an understanding and respects to each others religion and believes.

Women Beautification

Haram
Plucking Eyebrows
Tatoo
Hair Extension


Halal
Body wax
Creams
Makeup (makeup itself is not haram, how its used is haram)
Dying Hair
Perfume
Shampoo
Soap
Hair Gel

Isn't it haram for strangers to smell your perfume? males I mean. My Islamic teacher that if they do, you'll be considered "zaniyah"

Read her post again, answer is there

Thanks brothers and sisters for the constructive contributions, we can still continue with the list.. However, I want you to stop for a moment and think about the question that was posed at the start of this thread:

Is everything Haram in Islam?


Unfortunately, both muslims and non-muslims alike have this misconception: everything is haram.. what do we have left that is not haram.. etc...

Well, brothers and sisters, the concept of Halal and Haram in Islam is very simple and clear: Everything is HALAL except that which Allah Almighty Has declared to be Haram... So, notice here that Haram is the exception not the rule.. you can see this demonstarted in the lists provided.. (we will have a further discussion of post # 7 later).

Allah has prohibited a few things for specific reasons. The range of Halal is very wide compared to the range of Haram. So, everything is HALAL, unless it is clearly mentioned in the Quran/Sunna that it is Haram..


Now, we might or might not be able to understand the wisdom behind these prohibitions. Some things are beyond our scope of understanding. A true believer is he who blindly tusts His Creator with what He has delivered in His book and through His prophet.. A true believer is he who says "we have heard and we shall obey" without doubting that what Allah he declaired for us is for our best..


What we need to understand is that, as believers, we are to be LOYAL to our faith.. and LOYAL to Allah.. :

"Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with God: of them some have been true to their vows to the very end, and some still await their end: but they have never changed (their determination) in the least." [Al-Ahzab: 23]


Needless to mention, the most important sign of loyalty is obedience..

All who obey God and the messenger shall dwell in the company of those whom God has favoured with His Grace: the prophets who teach, the sincere lovers of Truth, the witnesses who testify, and the Righteous who do good. Ah! what a beautiful companionship! [Al-Nisa: 69]


At the end of the day, it doesnt really matter how much haram stuff there is... if we truely love Allah, we would obey Him with no questioning... with no saying uffff everything is Haram... it should come deep down from the HEART...

"But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance to Your decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction" [Al-Nisa: 65]



Finally I will leave you brothers and sisters with this verse to ponder about:

"O you who believe! Give your response to God and His Messenger, when He calls you to that which will give you life." [A-Anfal 24]

I think it would be more meaningful to list the reasons as well.. things are not forbidden just like that for no reason!!

There are things as well ( Not likely and Likely ) can anyone add the list here . I mean Jazzakum Allah Khair but Islam is not only Halal and Haram !!!

Haram things most of the time surrounded by temptations, that is why humans get attracted to them.

"Females traveling without their male escorts." <--- How is that haram ?

Haram

Gold
Silk

Halal

Cotton
Polyester
Nylon
Linen
Leather
Wool
Hemp
Latex
Spandex
Silver
Iron
Copper
Steel
Aluminium
Etc...

:os :os

They dress in iron and steel? :o

Man, even socks made from steel would get me down and ruin my day...

Jeff, maybe that is war dress.

"Females traveling without their male escorts." <--- How is that haram ?

I heard this too from Muslim girls and not Wahhabis either..."if we go out, we have to have our brother or our dad or our husband with us, unless it's an emergency..." And maybe it's okay for hajj, I think.

Of course, in America it's always an emergency, I think.

There are things as well ( Not likely and Likely ) can anyone add the list here . I mean Jazzakum Allah Khair but Islam is not only Halal and Haram !!!

If you read Bimi's last post, you would understand that the reason of opening this thread was not to list the harams and halals .. she was trying to make a point there ..

Obli, like makeup .. if its used well its halal .. if its used badly its haram .. this is why I put it in the halal side.

I think Bimi made what I am trying to say clearer .. Allah has ordered us to follow certain rules .. we might try to reason .. thats good by itself and I am sure Allah will reward us for that because Allah reward any action that leads us to think and learn about our religions .. However, if our reasoning wasnt convincing .. or if we couldnt find a reason .. it is still haram .. and we are still ordered to leave it .. so if we want to lessen our sins and obey Allah .. we should follow what he orders.

Dying hair non-black if Ur hair in black ..

:mmhmm:

I think u mean dying your hair black.

u cant say things are haram not EVERYTHING is haram things can be makrooh ya okay but i u guys take it to the extreem

But nowadays alot of halal are falling in to haram therefore,one should differentiate between the do's and donts which are stated in quran/Hadith and the one which are made by Shyookh from here n there.

I understand why ppl think this way about islam, its not because of the religion itself, its because of the few scholars who give this indication.

For example, in my last Umra in Ramthan, during (Tawaf) i was approached by 4 different shyookh , asking me to cover my face!!
Now who made that rule?? its not haram for a woman to reveal her face , Infact prophet :PBUH: said it clearly, hands and face do not fall in the circle of 3awraa.

:mmhmm:

I think u mean dying your hair black.

Wut I said is HALAL

Wut U said is HARAM

But nowadays alot of halal are falling in to haram therefore,one should differentiate between the do's and donts which are stated in quran/Hadith and the one which are made by Shyookh from here n there.

I understand why ppl think this way about islam, its not because of the religion itself, its because of the few scholars who give this indication.

For example, in my last Umra in Ramthan, during (Tawaf) i was approached by 4 different shyookh , asking me to cover my face!!
Now who made that rule?? its not haram for a woman to reveal her face , Infact prophet :PBUH: said it clearly, hands and face do not fall in the circle of 3awraa.
Exactly.

Also, who can tell me if music is halal or haram?

The thing is this. When something is unclear, a scholar or imam will tell you to stay away from it just as if it were forbidden. Just incase.

So, before something unclear is halal, it is first haram. And this is why we (my family) have been eating nothing but chicken and lamb for the past 4 years. Because of the whole 'meat from the people of the book' saga thingy.

I thought the Holy Quran says that the food of the people of the book is Halal to Muslims :think:

Anything that brings you extreme pleasure seems to be haram in islam, and while I can understand that reason behind forbidding specific things (alcohol), I cannot understand or accept the forbidding of some other things such as music and drawing. Actually the fact that some people say that drawing is haram makes me extremely angry. How can something so beautiful and healing be bad for you? why are you given a gift from god if you can't use it?

Yes, we've got loadsa harams...

I thought the Holy Quran says that the food of the people of the book is Halal to Muslims :think:
Remember that thread a while back? Different scholars have different meanings for:

a) 'people of the book' in 2007
b) what does and does not make a slaughtered animal halal, exactly.
c) whether or not you can scrap all the above because you are living in a foreign country where islamically certified halal labelled food is miles away.

A muslim is unsure. What does he do? He treats the food as haram. Just incase. You don't want those scales tipping on the wrong side, remember?

There's always that fear at the back of your head, that, (excuse my sarcasm here - but I'll just say what's on the tip of my toungue) makes 'fun' and 'ease' something bad and wrong. Everything has to be a tad more complicated and difficult, a little bit less fun, to really count.

Like being a good person in God's eyes is all about how difficult you manage to make your life. Cover this, do that but not this, don't eat with your left hand, (what do lefties do? worse even, what do amputies do? lol), don't have a stylish haircut, don't draw living things, don't listen to music, don't shape eyebrows and other silly (in my opinion) things that just serve to make life less colourful.

I can accept not consuming alcohol. I could even accept not consuming pig. Along with not killing, not committing adultery, not stealing, not lying and other serious stuff... but I really can't see the 'horrible bad person making traits' in shaping eyebrows and removing a moustache from a woman's face, or drawing a picture of a horsey. lol

I'm sure God does a much better job at making a horsey than people do at drawing one.

Heaven is expansive Fengy!

And I think it's ok for a woman to shave her moustache (because women are not suppose to have it).

If there is a doubt about something like finding 'halal food', a muslim should always select the safe side espacially if he has other options on the table.

Drawing is harram!?

Never heard that be4, all i know is drawing human beings is harram..

Drawing is harram!?

Never heard that be4, all i know is drawing human beings is harram..

Hi,

What i know is drawing a living creature [that eats, moves, breeds... such as human, animal, sea creature] is HARAM but drawing plants, trees or any natural scene is fine like the sea, ocean, mountain....etc

Heaven is expansive Fengy!

And I think it's ok for a woman to shave her moustache (because women are not suppose to have it).



What do you mean women aren't supposed to have it? We don't do anything to aquire it. It's 'God given'. Are you saying God made a mistake? Or that we have to fix something God gave us that we shouldn't have? Who gave you this notion that women shouldn't have a moustache if we naturally have one?*

If we were not to touch or change our bodies and leave them as God gave them to us, women would not even shave their legs.

I'll not be annoying and pick on nails, because I guess if you don't clean them, dirt gets under them.
I'll not pick on underarm hair, as if you don't wash properly, you're bound to smell more with it.
I'll not pick on circumcision even, cos you don't want sand stuck in there either. :hmm:

But women's moustache/leg hair.. it's not exactly "unhygienic" is it? So why touch it? Why not leave it to grow?

Why waxing moustache yes but shaping eyebrows no? Where is the logic behind it?



*Just to be clear, I SO remove my (politically correct) upper lip hair :hyper:

^^^

I wonder if a woman can dye her moustache, so long as it's a light color and not a dark one?

^^^

I wonder if a woman can dye her moustache, so long as it's a light color and not a dark one?
Wouldn't it also be altering God's original creation?

I mean, if I was the original creator of a painting and someone comes along and starts to retouch it, I ask myslef.. "What kind of retouching would I allow him to make?"

I would say... "Nay! You may not make my maiden's hair longer..you may not make her breasts fuller..."

"Why", he would ask...

"Because my creation is perfect already."

"Ok, so which bits can I alter, please?"

"Oh, this bit, this bit here and this bit and that bit over there and ... "

:rolleyes:

gettit? :cute:

To those who insist on having a "reason" for everything that is haram, can you please explain why is pork haram?

As far as I know, there is no reason in the Quran or sunnah!! so now, we can go eat pork because we dont know why its haram?

Anything that brings you extreme pleasure seems to be haram in islam, and while I can understand that reason behind forbidding specific things (alcohol), I cannot understand or accept the forbidding of some other things such as music and drawing. Actually the fact that some people say that drawing is haram makes me extremely angry. How can something so beautiful and healing be bad for you? why are you given a gift from god if you can't use it?

Here are the bases in the ahadith of the condemnation of images in Islam, I THINK. This is Bukhari, the premiere collector of ahadith. Muslims correct me if I am wrong:

1. Narrated Abu Talha:
The Prophet said, "Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or there are pictures." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 833)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.833

2. Narrated Salim’s father:
Once Gabriel promised to visit the Prophet but he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out and found Gabriel and complained to him of his grief (for his delay). Gabriel said to him, "We do not enter a place in which there is a picture or a dog." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book
72, Number 843)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.841

3. Narrated ‘Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet)
I bought a cushion having pictures on it. When Allah’s Apostle saw it, he stopped at the gate and did not enter. I noticed the signs of hatred (for that) on his face! I said, "O Allah’s Apostle! I turn to Allah and His Apostle in repentance! What sin have I committed?" He said, "What about this cushion?" I said, ‘I bought it for you to sit on and recline on." Allah’s Apostle said, "The makers of these pictures will be punished (severely) on the Day of Resurrection and it will be said to them, ‘Make alive what you have created.’" He added, "Angels do not enter a house in which there are pictures." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 844)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.844

4. Narrated ‘Aisha:
The Prophet entered upon me while there was a curtain having pictures (of animals) in the house. His face got red with anger, and then he got hold of the curtain and tore it into pieces. The Prophet said, "Such people as paint these pictures will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 130)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/073.sbt.html#008.073.130



I don't know if there are any ahadith in the opposite direction. Are there?

What do you mean women aren't supposed to have it? We don't do anything to aquire it. It's 'God given'. Are you saying God made a mistake? Or that we have to fix something God gave us that we shouldn't have? Who gave you this notion that women shouldn't have a moustache if we naturally have one?*

If we were not to touch or change our bodies and leave them as God gave them to us, women would not even shave their legs.

I'll not be annoying and pick on nails, because I guess if you don't clean them, dirt gets under them.
I'll not pick on underarm hair, as if you don't wash properly, you're bound to smell more with it.
I'll not pick on circumcision even, cos you don't want sand stuck in there either. :hmm:

But women's moustache/leg hair.. it's not exactly "unhygienic" is it? So why touch it? Why not leave it to grow?

Why waxing moustache yes but shaping eyebrows no? Where is the logic behind it?



*Just to be clear, I SO remove my (politically correct) upper lip hair :hyper:

I meant that the default and normally women don't have moustache like also don't have or grow beards like men. So in that case if a woman have some light hair in her moustache it's ok for her to remove it (as far as I know) if she wish, same as leg or arm hair. However, there is a clear ruling regarding shaping eyebrows.

If there is a doubt about something like finding 'halal food', a muslim should always select the safe side espacially if he has other options on the table.

fully agreed!! .. i remeber the followin hadeath that we studied , if im not mistaken, in grade 9 or 10 in school..according to the hadeeth of the prophet PBUH:

عن أبي عبدالله النعمان بن بشير رضي الله عنهما قال : سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول : ( إن الحلال بيّن والحرام بيّن ، وبينهما أمور مشتبهات لا يعلمهن كثير من الناس ، فمن اتقى الشبهات فقد استبرأ لدينه وعرضه ، ومن وقع في الشبهات فقد وقع في الحرام ، كالراعي يرعى حول الحمى يوشك أن يرتع فيه ، ألا وأن لكل ملك حمى ، ألا وإن حمى الله محارمه ،.... ) رواه البخاري و مسلم

Book 10 ,Number 3882:
Nu'man b. Bashir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon himn) as having said this (and Nu'man) pointed towards his ears with his fingers): What is lawful is evident and what is unlawful is evident, and in between them are the things doubtful which many people do not know. So he who guards against doubtful things keeps his religion and honour blameless, and he who indulges in doubtful things indulges in fact in unlawful things, just as a shepherd who pastures his animals round a preserve will soon pasture them in it. Beware, every king has a preserve, and the things God his declaced unlawful are His preserves.


http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/010_smt.html

To those who insist on having a "reason" for everything that is haram, can you please explain why is pork haram?

As far as I know, there is no reason in the Quran or sunnah!! so now, we can go eat pork because we dont know why its haram?
Wasn't it because the pig doesn't perspire? (so toxins remain in the animal..)

Not sure, but afaik, that was the reason.

I meant that the default and normally women don't have moustache like also don't have or grow beards like men. So in that case if a woman have some light hair in her moustache it's ok for her to remove it (as far as I know) if she wish, same as leg or arm hair. However, there is a clear ruling regarding shaping eyebrows.
I never mentioned a beard. I said moustache. All women get one.

Why is there a clear ruling for eyebrows? Was it "in fashion" to completely remove the eyebrows 1,400 years ago?

fully agreed!! .. i remeber the followin hadeath that we studied , if im not mistaken, in grade 9 or 10 in school..according to the hadeeth of the prophet PBUH:

عن أبي عبدالله النعمان بن بشير رضي الله عنهما قال : سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول : ( إن الحلال بيّن والحرام بيّن ، وبينهما أمور مشتبهات لا يعلمهن كثير من الناس ، فمن اتقى الشبهات فقد استبرأ لدينه وعرضه ، ومن وقع في الشبهات فقد وقع في الحرام ، كالراعي يرعى حول الحمى يوشك أن يرتع فيه ، ألا وأن لكل ملك حمى ، ألا وإن حمى الله محارمه ،.... ) رواه البخاري و مسلم

Book 10 ,Number 3882:
Nu'man b. Bashir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon himn) as having said this (and Nu'man) pointed towards his ears with his fingers): What is lawful is evident and what is unlawful is evident, and in between them are the things doubtful which many people do not know. So he who guards against doubtful things keeps his religion and honour blameless, and he who indulges in doubtful things indulges in fact in unlawful things, just as a shepherd who pastures his animals round a preserve will soon pasture them in it. Beware, every king has a preserve, and the things God his declaced unlawful are His preserves.


http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/010_smt.html
Ok. So I was correct in saying that before something is halal, it is first haram.

It's not what you can't do. It's what you can do.

It's "hmm, I wonder if I am allowed to do this" as in not being allowed or having restrictions is usually the general rule.

To those who insist on having a "reason" for everything that is haram, can you please explain why is pork haram?

As far as I know, there is no reason in the Quran or sunnah!! so now, we can go eat pork because we dont know why its haram?

And as a good Christian (well, I try :p ), I have to respect this attitude.

The basic reason for keeping God's law has to be that it came from God. Understanding has to follow from from obedience and belief.

Still, God is not completely irrational. If God teaches something is true or if he commands that something be obeyed, there is usually some reason for it. And the better we can understand it, the better we can appreciate the beauty and wisdom of God's revelation.

That's why Muslims say, "Look at the advantages--the peace, the dignity, the health, the happiness--that following God's law brings." And Christians and Jews say the same. So, unless we are going to skip all that completely, we will have to try to understand and explain the best we can.

I saw a Muslim post the other day on the health benefits of avoiding pork.

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43255&highlight=Pork

That's a good thing! So, then, others will ask, "What is the benefit of this other law and what about these problems it seems to cause?" That's natural.

nice topic...

I never mentioned a beard. I said moustache. All women get one.

Why is there a clear ruling for eyebrows? Was it "in fashion" to completely remove the eyebrows 1,400 years ago?

Well some women also get little hair in their chins, if you don't have it doesn't mean all women like you.

Even if shaping eyebrows wasn't practiced at the prophet time, you should understand that the prophet was inspired by Allah and would know that women in the future will practice it widely.


ToomuchaT, thanks for proving the hadith.

Here are the bases in the ahadith of the condemnation of images in Islam, I THINK. This is Bukhari, the premiere collector of ahadith. Muslims correct me if I am wrong:



I don't know if there are any ahadith in the opposite direction. Are there?

To be completely frank and blunt, no amount of Hadiths or fatwas will convince me that illustrating figures with a soul is haram. It seems like a ruling that was made for the stone ages because people used to worship these illustrated figures but we are wiser than that now and in the end I believe that it's the intention that matters the most.

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Arabian Princess: It's is scientifically proven that many parasites live in pigs because they feed and live on dirt and filth so that's why it's haram. There's a reason and I can understand it.

To those who insist on having a "reason" for everything that is haram, can you please explain why is pork haram?

As far as I know, there is no reason in the Quran or sunnah!! so now, we can go eat pork because we dont know why its haram?

There is an endless list of why pork is haram, and subhan allah they are discovering more new things about it .

Fengy
Why is there a clear ruling for eyebrows? Was it "in fashion" to completely remove the eyebrows 1,400 years ago?

yeh i think so and they used to use kohol instead of it. Seriously, eyebrows can change ones face, so many gurls look soo different with/without threaded eyebrows.
where for upper lip, its more of a cleansing , it deosn't really beautify you but you feel clean .(akh hate it :yuk: )

Haram :
Making islam looks stupid and creating anything based of what you personally believe and tearing the real image of Islam to people.
Halal :
presenting whats Islam really is :bored:

There is an endless list of why pork is haram, and subhan allah they are discovering more new things about it .


but non muslims have been eating pork for so long, and they have survived .. how come only muslims and jews are not allowed to eat it?
dont get me wrong, I understand there must be a reason .. but what I am trying to say that failing to find a reason doesnt stop it from being haram .. and it shouldnt stop us from following Allah's order .. we should follow, and also continue to look for a reason ..

any way, I am really tired from repeating the same thing over and over again :p
I just want to let you guys know .. that we shouldnt always associate reason with a rule .. if there is a strict ruling saying its haram like plucking, then its haram .. we found a reason excellent .. we didnt we should look more .. if there isnt a clear rule, then we can argue about it and try to discuss it with evidence and logic.

Ok. So I was correct in saying that before something is halal, it is first haram.

.. actually the islamic fiqh law, i dont know abt urs, says: كل شئ حلال في الإسلام حتى تثبت حرمته بالدليل القطعي or .. everything is halal till its forbidness is proven with a strong evidence.

.. assume that everything is haram.. how we would start to live.. we won't be able to do anything coz everything is haram!!

.. but if everything halal, then we do this n that.. but with life goes on we start to refine things!!

.. i guess!!:yes:

well said ..ToomuchaT:)

Intention is everyting..

but non muslims have been eating pork for so long, and they have survived .. how come only muslims and jews are not allowed to eat it?
dont get me wrong, I understand there must be a reason .. but what I am trying to say that failing to find a reason doesnt stop it from being haram .. and it shouldnt stop us from following Allah's order .. we should follow, and also continue to look for a reason ..


Look dear sweety habibty....:shy: some things make sense to us when we hear that it is haram and some other things just doesnt make sense to us. Pork obviously is haram because they are a dirty animal and they are what they eat. Whether we have the science to prove that now or not, it's just makes sense that it would be haram because think of it, you are eating a PIG..why do you think the name was changed from PIG to PORK? So people wouldnt feel so grossed out when they eat it. And you should always seek the answer to things in life, not just about religion, but about everything. You have to be wise and understand the reason why is like that..or the reason why it is like this. Does that not mean anything to you? You just follow rules without knowing why it is a rule? True we should trust Allah's jugment and Orders, but we should try to find out why. I didnt say anything to upset you or offend you, so please don't take it the wrong way. It's just talk from sis to sis :cute:

Intention is everyting..

Intention should not be based on disobeying the Prophet or committing a sin.

You have to be wise and understand the reason why is like that..or the reason why it is like this. Does that not mean anything to you? You just follow rules without knowing why it is a rule? True we should trust Allah's jugment and Orders, but we should try to find out why.

The prophet also ordered muslims to pray certain 'rak3at' for each prayer, do you know why? or you don't pray until you know the reason?

The prophet also ordered muslims to pray certain 'rak3at' for each prayer, do you know why? or you don't pray until you know the reason?

Now I want to know Y!!:)

could some of you please STOP attacking me!!! I'm not attcking anyone in here so please do the same for me

All i can say......(because I'm getting frustrated now) La howl wala quwata illa Billah

could some of you please STOP attacking me!!! I'm not attcking anyone in here so please do the same for me

Is not an attack .. But U said for every rule , there is a reason ..
So as U pray .. Do U know Y ..
I don't know .. :rolleyes: .. But I still pray :D ..

*shakes head* you mean you don't know why you pray?
Prayer is a time to ask Allah for things and Thank him for everything. Also a scientific reason: When we bow down all the way, the blood flows to our brain and that is healthy to keep the circulation going. You know, when we get up , then make raka3at, that makes the blood flow. which is why i think is the reason we pray 5 times a day. To keep our body healthy.(That's from a healthy point of view)

AE, you didn't answer my question yet.

The prophet also ordered muslims to pray certain 'rak3at' for each prayer, do you know why?



Do not worry .. I pray .. The Qs is why certain Rak3at !

Exactly, and AE seems failed to know the reason.

Ok 'attack on AE day' huh?
ok listen. I didnt say that i wont follow God's rules unless i have the reason. I just said that i always like to find the reason..regardless of whether i have it or not, i still try to good. I cover, and truely don't understanding why it has to be this way, but i still do it. You think i like it? NO! I do things even though i may not always find the answer. I focus on the big things rather than the small (like plucking eyebrows)But there are some things that i do wonder about and so many people make up stories and you dont know what's real and what's made up. So try to understand, i am not rebelling against my religion. I just think..think think! that's all. So many people will just say it so easily,,"haram this..haram that" and yet it really isnt haram..so try to understand the confused world that we live in.. I wish you wouldnt take me the wrong way when i say things.

How is shaping the eyebrows is a small thing and the woman who do it will be cursed by Allah. Is cursing a small thing now a days!


So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it.
And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it.

Is taking the hair from between the eyebrows to reduce a manly look really SHAPING them? Would someone be cursed then?

If the hair between the eyebrows is not part of the eyebrows then I think it's ok to be removed.

But I think the discussion here is about shaping the eyebrows itself.

If the hair between the eyebrows is not part of the eyebrows then I think it's ok to be removed.

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OMG! Thank God something go through to you..
that's what i've been trying to say all this time! omg! *sigh*
sheesh! 7asha!

ok what about the little hairs that are between the eyebrow itself and the eye..know what i mean?..not actually the eyebrow. I don't take from the eyebrow..just in between. I try to take as less as possible.

Here is the fatwa by our mufti:


ما حكم قص الشعر بين الحاجبين ؟


الجواب :

مادام متصلاً بالحاجب فهو من الحاجب ، أما لو كان شعراً آخر منفصلاً عن الحاجب فذلك لا مانع من إزالته .

Here is the fatwa by our mufti:


ما حكم قص الشعر بين الحاجبين ؟


الجواب :

مادام متصلاً بالحاجب فهو من الحاجب ، أما لو كان شعراً آخر منفصلاً عن الحاجب فذلك لا مانع من إزالته .


who ??? ..

The mufti of Oman.

but non muslims have been eating pork for so long, and they have survived .. how come only muslims and jews are not allowed to eat it?
dont get me wrong, I understand there must be a reason .. but what I am trying to say that failing to find a reason doesnt stop it from being haram .. and it shouldnt stop us from following Allah's order .. we should follow, and also continue to look for a reason ..

any way, I am really tired from repeating the same thing over and over again :p
I just want to let you guys know .. that we shouldnt always associate reason with a rule .. if there is a strict ruling saying its haram like plucking, then its haram .. we found a reason excellent .. we didnt we should look more .. if there isnt a clear rule, then we can argue about it and try to discuss it with evidence and logic.


Arby :cute: , ma akhtlfnaa i entirely agree with you, I for one do not try to question much if its beyond my understanding coz then i will fall in the circle of kufr wil 3yath BILLAAH ,like for instance a father who has only daughters and wife , his brothers will inherit him after his death, i seriously failed to see the reason (astghfor allah) but i believe HE who set the rule Knows better, so we just believe and follow.

Here is the fatwa by our mufti:


ما حكم قص الشعر بين الحاجبين ؟


الجواب :

مادام متصلاً بالحاجب فهو من الحاجب ، أما لو كان شعراً آخر منفصلاً عن الحاجب فذلك لا مانع من إزالته .


Could you write the translation in english so that i can get a better understanding and so that others can understand?

I thought you will understand it better in arabic.

Anyway, let me try:

Question:
What is the ruling of cutting the hair between the eyebrows?

Answer:
As far as it's connected to the eyebrow then it's part of the eyebrow (which means not allowed to remove it). But if the hair is another hair not attached to the eyebrow then it's allowed to remove it.

Related to food... in South Africa we have about 3 halaal authorities monitoring our food and drinks.

They print a list of goods which have been certified halaal by the authorities, if it is not certified halaal by them it is haraam for consumption. And it includes things which are imported like chocolates, sweets, crisps etc.

Is there something similar in Oman?

Oman is a muslim country, so most of the things if not all here are halaal.

Well some women also get little hair in their chins, if you don't have it doesn't mean all women like you.

Even if shaping eyebrows wasn't practiced at the prophet time, you should understand that the prophet was inspired by Allah and would know that women in the future will practice it widely.


ToomuchaT, thanks for proving the hadith.
no actually, I wasn't wondering if it wasn't practiced. I was wondering if it WAS. Which is what I think. Kudos to you if you can guess why I would bet on it that women removed their eyebrows at the time and people got seriously sick when they ate pork.

Oman is a muslim country, so most of the things if not all here are halaal.
even unibrows.

http://home.earthlink.net/~smithster/Biggifs/unibrowtitl.jpg


:D

Just 'pulling your leg' a little there ice-tea.

Am I allowed to? I mean, virtually? :hyper:

lol you never seen Bankmuscat ads :D
does anybody have that old pic of the unibrow lady, she will like it