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Intellective
29-04-07, 02:05 AM
The other day we were having this conversation about hair extionsions and braiding human hair on top of your natural hair. I really want to know about this.

Is it HALAL to have hair extensions, or get your hair braided or plated with human hair?

If you could please help me with this question or if i could ask someone who knows about this, or if there is any website i could visit and ask this question.

I'd really much appriciate your help.

Thanx.

Arabian Princess
29-04-07, 08:49 AM
وروي عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه { لعن الواصلة والمستوصلة , والنامصة والمتنمصة , والواشرة والمستوشرة . } فهذه الخصال محرمة ; لأن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لعن فاعلها ولا يجوز لعن فاعل المباح . والواصلة : هي التي تصل شعرها بغيره , أو شعر غيرها . والمستوصلة : الموصول شعرها بأمرها , فهذا لا يجوز للخبر , لما روت عائشة رضي الله عنها { , أن امرأة أتت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقالت : إن ابنتي عرس وقد تمزق شعرها , أفأصله ؟ فقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : لعنت الواصلة , والمستوصلة . }
Hadith (http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/library/BooksCategory.php?flag=1&bk_no=15&ID=99)
The Hadith above gives you the ruling, its haram to put hair extension.

Dam3eti
29-04-07, 07:35 PM
^ but why? I don't understand why extentions and threading the eyebrows are Haram.

Arabian Princess
29-04-07, 08:08 PM
Scholars come up with many reasons, some even say that plucking the eyebrow causes damage in some nerve in the eye (which I find it hard to beleive), but to me .. since I am convinced that its haram .. and that the hadith in guniune I am not doing it for that only.

Dark Project
29-04-07, 10:46 PM
who produce this Hadith AP ?

DodiKita
29-04-07, 10:58 PM
hmm.. I never actually thought of this before! Thank you AP :)

$w€€ŧ¥
30-04-07, 12:41 AM
I have read some where (im sorry i cant provide a source cause I dont remember) it is Haram because it changes the way god made you and you changing what god gave you is like you saying I dont like it...

LosT_SouL
30-04-07, 04:22 AM
plucking the eyebrow and the Hair extensions are under the rule of
fooling people with Ur look and It means U are not grateful for
How Allah create U in the first place ..

Thalia
30-04-07, 02:58 PM
plucking the eyebrow and the Hair extensions are under the rule of
fooling people with Ur look and It means U are not grateful for
How Allah create U in the first place ..
So, why is dying white hair halal? Why not be grateful of how God made you? Hair going white is a part of ageing. If dying white hair is halal, why is a face lift not?

Would anti-wrinkle cream also be haram?
Is make-up haram? What about perfume? Don't we have a natural scent? Why alter it? Why hide it? Are you not happy with your own smell the way God made it?

To stay to topic, hair extensions are not altering your own hair. They are "worn" by being braided or attached to your hair to give the appearance of longer hair. Something possible anyway, given time.

In our next issue of 'What's Haram Today', sunglasses will also be haram. Especially if they are fashionable. Or worse, made somewhere other than the M.E.

:rolleyes:

Saw a clip by Bilal Philips a few months ago and wasted like 10 minutes of my life, where he explains that hair colour is ok if it's to cover white. Otherwise, it's prefferable to not colour your hair so as to not copy the west. That's the reason. To not copy the west. (are you reading this all you jean clad misfits?) He could have just spelt it out and said that the biggest reason was because the great majority of hair dye is MADE in the west.

Arabian Princess
30-04-07, 03:13 PM
Fengy,
There is no hadith by the prophet prohibiting dying the hair for women.. so I will take that as an indication its halal at the same time, there is a hadith that clearly says that hair extensions are haram .. so I will follow it. This is why I said earlier, no matter what reasons (we) come up to explain why they are halal or haram .. they have a ruling .. and we should follow them.

Thalia
30-04-07, 06:18 PM
Fengy,
There is no hadith by the prophet prohibiting dying the hair for women.. so I will take that as an indication its halal at the same time, there is a hadith that clearly says that hair extensions are haram .. so I will follow it. This is why I said earlier, no matter what reasons (we) come up to explain why they are halal or haram .. they have a ruling .. and we should follow them.
The hadith you quoted above is all in arabic. I did access the site and even tried the english version but couldn't find the same page.

So could you explain what it says, please, for my benefit? I can't imagine hair extensions being used 1,600 years ago..

Arabian Princess
30-04-07, 09:09 PM
I dont know where can I find a proper english translation, will try to translate it as I understod:
Allah has cursed the pluker (who had thier eyebrows plucked on) and the one who plucks, the one who has hair extension and the one who does it, (washira and mustawshira I dont know what does it mean), and the one who seperate thier front teeth for beaty.

it must have existed those days then!

amo_l_oman
30-04-07, 10:01 PM
I can't imagine hair extensions being used 1,600 years ago..
Egyptians used wigs and added pieces of hairs, so probably the same happened in Arabia and it was like modern hair extension.
Anything added for cosmetic purpose, which changes the original shape Allah gave us, is forbidden.

Cute_Ting
30-04-07, 10:03 PM
when my hair was long down to my @$$ than i cut it and the hair that got cut off i sold it to the hair dresser cuz she uses it for brides and stuff...

BrAiKi
01-05-07, 01:07 AM
AP, I remember reading the hadith back in school, but I don't remember the hair extension part :think:

i'll look more into this and come back

BrAiKi
01-05-07, 01:23 AM
I did a quick search and found that there are some hadiths that have the extension part and some don't have it..

Fengy calm down mama :hyper: the M.E. thingy made me laugh :XD:

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 02:41 AM
Braiki , This is wut I have got .. U can Translate them for Fengy :)

عن أسماء (رضي الله عنها) أن امرأة سألت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقالت: يا رسول الله إن ابنتي أصابتها الحصبة فتمزق شعرها، وإني زوجتها، أفأصل فيه؟ فقال صلى الله عليه وسلم: «لعن الله الواصلة والموصولة»، وفي رواية عن أسماء رضى الله عنها: «لعن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الواصلة والمستوصلة» رواه البخاري ومسلم.

وعن عبد الله بن عمر رضي الله عنهما «أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لعن الواصلة والمستوصلة والواشمة والمستوشمة» رواه البخاري ومسلم وأصحاب السنن.

وعن عبد الله بن مسعود رضي الله عنه أنه قال: «لعن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم الواشمات والمستوشمات والمتنمصات والمتفلجات للحسن المغيرات خلق الله» رواه البخاري ومسلم. والمتفلجة هي التي تفلج أسنانها (تفرق بينها) بالمبرد ونحوه للتحسن.

وعن عبد الله بن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال: «لعنت الواصلة والمستوصلة والنامصة والمتنمصة والواشمة والمستوشمة من غير داء» رواه أبو داود.



We know also that we have to follow What the Prophet :PBUH: ask us ..

Jeff
01-05-07, 02:58 AM
You know this is all so strange from a Christian perspective.

We have some laws, too, but we always try to analyze things in terms of VIRTUE, not just law.

When people say, This is supposed to make people stick with the looks Allah gave them, that makes sense to me.

But in that case, why not just avoid make up, wigs, dyeing your hair, cutting your hair for looks, revealing dresses--pretty much everything that isn't a matter of health? I mean, isn't that what the law has to be about?

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 06:29 AM
Evidence if I could call it .. Fengy :)

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins (her or someone else’s) hair (with the hair of another man or a woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined (with the hair of another person) and the one who tattoos (herself or someone else) and the one asks to get tattooed.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 5589)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade this to such an extent that he did not even permit it for a woman whose natural hair had fallen off.

Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that an Ansari girl was married and became sick hence all her hair fell out. They (her family and friends) intended to join her hair with false hair, so they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) who said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins her or someone else’s hair (with the hair of another man or woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined with the hair of another.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no 5590)

Therefore, using human hair in any shape or form would be unlawful. It is prohibited to join one’s hair with the hair of another human or to wear a wig made out of human hair, regardless of whether the hair is completely joined and fitted into the hair or whether it is merely a wig which can be removed and re-worn whenever one desires. The ruling would be same even if one had a valid excuse in that one’s hair fell out, as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did not permit it even in such situations.

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 06:49 AM
So, why is dying white hair halal? Why not be grateful of how God made you?.

النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أمر باجتنابه قال" غيروا هذا الشيب وجنبوه السواد " ولقد ورد الوعيد الشديد على من يصبغ بالسواد

If the dying was by the use of black dying it is prohibited by Islam. The prophet PBUH allowed the changing of the colour of the white hair but to avoid blackening. He :PBUH: said, “Change this white hair but avoid blackening”, He warned of blackening the hair. However, it is permitted to dye it with colours other than black but even this permission also is limited by rationalization of the dying by other colours. In other words, dying by other colour must not be taken as a habit that change Muslim women and make then like non-Muslim woman. The Prophet PBUH said “Whoever makes himself like non-Muslim he is one of them”. Moreover, if the original colour of the hair was the black colour it is good to change it to another colour because the original in hair is black and its changing is act of deforming and disfiguring rather than decorating on beautifying. It also makes the Muslim woman like the non- Muslims ..

So dying it by other than Black for us(ppl with black hair) can not lie ..
Coz if they dying it means they have white or gray hair .lol .. :)

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 06:54 AM
If dying white hair is halal, why is a face lift not?

Would anti-wrinkle cream also be haram?
Is make-up haram? What about perfume? Don't we have a natural scent? Why alter it? Why hide it? Are you not happy with your own smell the way God made it?


Fengy :) .. We can discuss every Qs U have in different threads as there
are so many things Haram in Islam;) .. Some people could be confused by
so many different Qs in one thread:XD:

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 07:12 AM
cutting your hair for looks

Do U know that U have to Cut Ur hair equally from all sides .. :) if U want to cut it .. Or just leave it
long :)

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 07:14 AM
Thats all what I can say for now ;)

Angel_Eyes
01-05-07, 08:21 AM
Is there anything left in this world that isn't haram???? :shy:
I think it would be acceptable for a woman to clean her eyebrows(or pluck them..whatever u call it) if she looks like a man in the sense that she is hairy. I mean, those women who i have seen with my own eyes that have UNIBROWS (connected eyebrows), they look manly..It doesnt look right. What if the woman is really hairy? It's also not right for a woman to look like a man. The women that have light colored hair and they are not as hairy, then yeah, ok , they don' t need to pluck.

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 08:45 AM
Is there anything left in this world that isn't haram???? :shy:

Another Sarcastic reaction joining Fengy and Jeff:XD:


I mean, those women who i have seen with my own eyes that have UNIBROWS (connected eyebrows), they look manly..It doesnt look right. What if the woman is really hairy? .

well , From wut I know hair in between the eyebrows is not considered as
eyebrows :)

Angel_Eyes
01-05-07, 09:01 AM
So plucking between the eyebrows is ok? what about under the eyebrows.. Just taking enough to clean the look of the eyebrow.. I would understand why it would be haram if a woman would take all the hair and draw with a pencil . Now that is more understandable!

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 09:23 AM
So plucking between the eyebrows is ok? what about under the eyebrows.. Just taking enough to clean the look of the eyebrow..

As U know they are so many Scholars and so many Views .. It depends which
group U follow . . I read about it from different views ..
Examples ;

* Abadhiya follow Quran and Sunnah . . So when they go with Prophet :PBUH: VERSE .. So it is Haram even (i think) wut in between the
eyebrows ..

*Suni and Shiy'a Groups .. Also have different views in the same subject
and as U know (may be) they are a bit flexible in views to go with the
modern life as they say .. So they say that if U pluck wut around the
eyebrows , it is ok and even if U thinning the eyebrows IF they
looked like a man eyebrows thick and gives U a bad Look .

But as I said .. It's U and Wut U follow ..

$w€€ŧ¥
01-05-07, 04:32 PM
so that means that braces are haram?good question but then braces are done for medical reasons more than cosmetic though they have beauty side! :mmhmm:

there is a difference between changing the shape of ur teeth to the normal to eat normal and changing the shape of your eyebrow for a change!

LosT_SouL
01-05-07, 08:19 PM
good question but then braces are done for medical reasons more than cosmetic though they have beauty side! :mmhmm:

there is a difference between changing the shape of ur teeth to the normal to eat normal and changing the shape of your eyebrow for a change!

Braces may sometimes be used as a kind of treatment and some other times as a beatification. In both cases, there is no problem with using braces as they do not fall under the category of "changing the creation of Allah", which is prohibited in Islam.

Charm
01-05-07, 09:02 PM
well , From wut I know hair in between the eyebrows is not considered as
eyebrows :)

:think: Really?! Wut is it then?!:p

Dam3eti
01-05-07, 09:07 PM
I don't feel that cleaning ur eyebrows changes the creation of Allah..

A lot of things changes the creation of Allah, even a person who eats junk everyday and becomes obese changes the creation of Allah if they were skinny be4..

The whole body changes, eyebrows are a small part of ur body.

IceTea
01-05-07, 09:33 PM
Dem3eti, would you like to be cursed by Allah if you shape your eyebrows?

Arabian Princess
01-05-07, 10:53 PM
I don't feel that cleaning ur eyebrows changes the creation of Allah..

A lot of things changes the creation of Allah, even a person who eats junk everyday and becomes obese changes the creation of Allah if they were skinny be4..

The whole body changes, eyebrows are a small part of ur body.

Exactly!! this is why I am saying maybe its not the reason .. maybe there is another reason why its haram .. but the buttom line, there is a hadith that says that a woman is cursed if she does it .. so its haram.

Dam3eti
01-05-07, 10:56 PM
No Ice tea I don't want to be cursed.


Ya maybe there's another reason, but in the explanation of the hadeeth it says tantef or sumthing like that, are u sure that means plucking? Cze threading is not tanteeef..

i dunno.

Arabian Princess
01-05-07, 11:03 PM
The hadith says nami9a .. and according to scholars it means taking out the eyebrows hair .. maybe you can research the arabic word of nam9 and what exactly it means ..

I dont know too, some people try to say that cleaning is different than nam9 .. it could be .. but unless I am 100% sure I dont want to be cursed for someting I can give up easily.

LosT_SouL
02-05-07, 01:01 AM
Dam3eti .. If U said Threading is not Tnateef and Tanteef is not thinning . .

So many Verses with the same message .. and U still doubt it ..

Thalia
02-05-07, 01:25 AM
Evidence if I could call it .. Fengy :)

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins (her or someone else’s) hair (with the hair of another man or a woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined (with the hair of another person) and the one who tattoos (herself or someone else) and the one asks to get tattooed.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 5589)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade this to such an extent that he did not even permit it for a woman whose natural hair had fallen off.

Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that an Ansari girl was married and became sick hence all her hair fell out. They (her family and friends) intended to join her hair with false hair, so they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) who said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins her or someone else’s hair (with the hair of another man or woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined with the hair of another.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no 5590)

Therefore, using human hair in any shape or form would be unlawful. It is prohibited to join one’s hair with the hair of another human or to wear a wig made out of human hair, regardless of whether the hair is completely joined and fitted into the hair or whether it is merely a wig which can be removed and re-worn whenever one desires. The ruling would be same even if one had a valid excuse in that one’s hair fell out, as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did not permit it even in such situations.
Phew! I was starting to think one couldn't use non-human hair extensions either. Thank goodness it only applies to human hair. :rolleyes:

Dam3eti
02-05-07, 01:32 AM
Dam3eti .. If U said Threading is not Tnateef and Tanteef is not thinning . .

So many Verses with the same message .. and U still doubt it ..


I didn't say that.

Tanteef is not thinning?

Where did you get that from?

Thalia
02-05-07, 01:35 AM
Dem3eti, would you like to be cursed by Allah if you shape your eyebrows?
Why is altering the image ok in some cases but not in others? I mean, when one explains why you can't wear a wig, they tell you it's because it alters God's original 'shape' of things that he gave to you.

Isn't, for example, circumcision also drastically altering the shape of something given by God? What about finger nails? What about removal of the pubic hair? The armpit hair?

There's always this rule, and then, just to complicate matters, a whole other set of exceptions to that same rule. Then why the rule in the first place? Is plucking your eyebrows really changing your body? What's the difference between trimming your nails and removing unwanted facial hair?

I don't get it and I'm obviously not alone.

IceTea
02-05-07, 09:58 AM
Why is altering the image ok in some cases but not in others? I mean, when one explains why you can't wear a wig, they tell you it's because it alters God's original 'shape' of things that he gave to you.

Isn't, for example, circumcision also drastically altering the shape of something given by God? What about finger nails? What about removal of the pubic hair? The armpit hair?

There's always this rule, and then, just to complicate matters, a whole other set of exceptions to that same rule. Then why the rule in the first place? Is plucking your eyebrows really changing your body? What's the difference between trimming your nails and removing unwanted facial hair?

I don't get it and I'm obviously not alone.


Nothing is complicated, muslims should follow the Quran and the prophet teachings, Allah says in the holy Quran:

And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it). And fear Allâh; verily, Allâh is Severe in punishment.

If there is a clear rule about certain thing then a muslim should not argue about it. Trimming your nails is part of sunnah while plucking your eyebrows is not.

It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.

Arabian Princess
02-05-07, 10:06 AM
my dear fengy, you are fixating on changing the look when no where in the hadith it mentions that.. its a reson people made to understand it .. whether its the reason or not we cant be sure .. but we can be sure its haram (at least for the people who beleive in prophet mohammed and his ahadeeth)..

whether we do it or not is also another story .. we are all striving and working to be the best of muslims .. but are we? personally I know I am not.. but I am trying to at least stop the things that its easy for me!

amo_l_oman
02-05-07, 10:25 AM
Is plucking your eyebrows really changing your body?
If plucking eyebrows was not a matter of changing our body appearances then we women wouldn't make a fuss out of it :D

Angel_Eyes
02-05-07, 11:09 AM
I don't feel that cleaning ur eyebrows changes the creation of Allah..

A lot of things changes the creation of Allah, even a person who eats junk everyday and becomes obese changes the creation of Allah if they were skinny be4..

The whole body changes, eyebrows are a small part of ur body.
sounds logical..i agree

Angel_Eyes
02-05-07, 11:20 AM
I have to say that i agree with what Fengy said... sounds understandable..
You can't just hear the word "Haram" and believe it right away blindly..you have to search for the answer. Anyone that says that something is haram but doesnt have proof and has doubt, then Allah will judge him and for making others believe him and follow what that person said.Religion is serious. It's not a joke. You have to think...IF it was Haram to pluck eyebrows..can't anyone think WHY it is? There is no such thing as a rule for no purpose..What could be it? Someone told me that drawing people is haram...and i was like "what the?" i was shocked and thought, "How in the world could drawing people be haram?" They said because that when you draw, you are trying to copy what Allah has created when you draw people's faces!" that does not make any sense to me all ,sorry.
You can't believe EVERYTHING you hear..you have to hear with your heart and common sense... It really makes no sense when i hear that CLEANING the eyebrows it haram. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, i would understand if taking ALL of the eyebrows off and drawing with a make-up pencil would be haram..because that to me is something that changes the face dramatically..do you all see what i am saying here. I'm not being rebellious or anything. I just want the truth, the proof and the reason. Some may have interpreted the Hadith wrong. Hadith language is not an easy language.No one talks like that anymore so we can't really know the real meaning. Only Allah knows... IF it is haram, i ask Allah to forgive me and forgive those who do it. But I am sorry, i dont want to have a unibrow like the lady in the movie FRIDA! :shy:

LosT_SouL
02-05-07, 11:54 AM
A_E .. Nobody tell U to follow wut we wrote .. We searched for the truth ..
The Big truth that we can see is A VERSE from the Prophet that tell Us
wut we do .. If U think , its not in Ur way of life or Ur lifestyle ..
The Hadeeth said PLUCK is forbidden .. So ppl try to stay away .. Is it
the whole eyebrow or some of it .. U have to think about it more ..

Btw the hadeeths have been under studies so many years and
scholars have interpreted wut best for U ..

Also , Believe me .. U can not live as A PROPER muslim thesedays ..
Just try Ur best ..
Also U asked God for forgiveness for something U know and knew it is
Haram and U still do it .. Wut they call it !! think about it ..
U have the Proof .. Is it matter wut is the reason . . !!

I'm not saying I'm proper muslim and U have to get wut I say and follow it ..
I read and try to do my best ..

LosT_SouL
02-05-07, 11:56 AM
BTW People .. We are Off-Topic .. The thread is about Hair Extension ..

LosT_SouL
02-05-07, 11:59 AM
Phew! I was starting to think one couldn't use non-human hair extensions either. Thank goodness it only applies to human hair. :rolleyes:

Sorry to interrupt ur happiness .. But some scholars apply the rule to
all hair .. Humans, animals , etc ..:)

IceTea
02-05-07, 12:06 PM
AE, looks like you ignored the verse I posted above.

It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.

The hadith is clear but some people try to give excuses to make it 'halal'.

LosT_SouL
02-05-07, 12:08 PM
Ice Tea, They said it before .. Do not argue with a Woman ..

Oblivious
02-05-07, 01:12 PM
Ice Tea, They said it before .. Do not argue with a Woman ..

Whoa...now you don't really mean that, do you? :rolleyes:

Thalia
02-05-07, 02:17 PM
Nothing is complicated, muslims should follow the Quran and the prophet teachings, Allah says in the holy Quran:

And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it). And fear Allâh; verily, Allâh is Severe in punishment.

If there is a clear rule about certain thing then a muslim should not argue about it. Trimming your nails is part of sunnah while plucking your eyebrows is not.

It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.
haha and by argue you mean discuss right? Meaning, just do what your told to do and shut up, or else... right?

Sure, sure. :hmm:

Arabian Princess
02-05-07, 04:19 PM
Angel Eyes,

Do you beleive in prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) and his ahadeeth?

if yes, then you have the hadeeth infront you .. if you think you are knowledgable enough to decide what does tanmee9 means .. good I am really happy for you .. go ahead and do it and inshallah you are in the safe side ..

but for me, I am not that knowledgable in arabic ..and scholars tell me that tanmee9 means plucking eyebrows .. and cleaning is part of it .. so I choose to follow that .. and I choose to obey Allah and the prophet even if I dont understand whats the reason behind it .. my personal choice.. you think I am wrong .. its alright .. you think I am following blindily .. ok .. I dont care becaue I beleive I better take the safe side and decide not to do this very simple act than being cursed .. my personal choice really ..

and you have the facts infront of you .. you can really choose the path you want to take.

Thalia
02-05-07, 04:51 PM
Ice Tea, They said it before .. Do not argue with a Woman ..
...because she's usually right. Even when she's not.


:D

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 04:38 AM
...because she's usually right. Even when she's not.


:D

Absolutely :D

Angel_Eyes
03-05-07, 09:42 AM
then can someone post the hadeeth here??? even if it's in arabic
and that wasnt nice what you said:
Do you beleive in prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) and his ahadeeth?
That broke my heart. How could you ask such a question? Of course i believe...:yes:

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 09:47 AM
Which one do U mean ?!

Angel_Eyes
03-05-07, 09:50 AM
what have we been dicussing all this time?? figure it

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 09:52 AM
what have we been dicussing all this time?? figure it

Hair Extension .. ..

The Whole verses are in the first page ;)

Angel_Eyes
03-05-07, 09:57 AM
Ok i read it.. i will try inshAllah to find the best english translation

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 10:01 AM
Evidence if I could call it .. Fengy :)

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins (her or someone else’s) hair (with the hair of another man or a woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined (with the hair of another person) and the one who tattoos (herself or someone else) and the one asks to get tattooed.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 5589)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade this to such an extent that he did not even permit it for a woman whose natural hair had fallen off.

Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that an Ansari girl was married and became sick hence all her hair fell out. They (her family and friends) intended to join her hair with false hair, so they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) who said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins her or someone else’s hair (with the hair of another man or woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined with the hair of another.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no 5590)

Therefore, using human hair in any shape or form would be unlawful. It is prohibited to join one’s hair with the hair of another human or to wear a wig made out of human hair, regardless of whether the hair is completely joined and fitted into the hair or whether it is merely a wig which can be removed and re-worn whenever one desires. The ruling would be same even if one had a valid excuse in that one’s hair fell out, as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did not permit it even in such situations.

.... :) :) :) ....

IceTea
03-05-07, 10:15 AM
Ok i read it.. i will try inshAllah to find the best english translation

Is it the first time you read it, and after reading it would you follow it or ignore it until you find a logical reason?

Angel_Eyes
03-05-07, 10:20 AM
what are you trying to start here? Could you just give me some space and back off. I have my opinions and you have yours.so respect that. If you think you know everything, why don't you explain it then. Why is it haram? or maybe it doesnt matter to you , since anyways you are a man.

IceTea
03-05-07, 10:39 AM
Didn't know that I'm occupying your space.

Same fatwa can be applied here:

هل يصح للمرأة أن تصبغ شعرها الأسود بلون آخر ؟


الجواب :

هذا من تبديل خلق الله ، وهذا من الاقتداء بالآخرين ، تريد المرأة أن تشقر شعرها لتخرج عن الفطرة التي فطرها الله تعالى عليها ، هذا غير جائز .


Anyway, am backing off now!

Angel_Eyes
03-05-07, 10:41 AM
who said anything about dying their black hair now?

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 10:50 AM
Didn't know that I'm occupying your space.

Same fatwa can be applied here:

هل يصح للمرأة أن تصبغ شعرها الأسود بلون آخر ؟


الجواب :

هذا من تبديل خلق الله ، وهذا من الاقتداء بالآخرين ، تريد المرأة أن تشقر شعرها لتخرج عن الفطرة التي فطرها الله تعالى عليها ، هذا غير جائز .


Anyway, am backing off now!


Ice Tea .. U can dye it but not black :)

IceTea
03-05-07, 11:01 AM
Lost_Soul, I think that is what the fatwa is about. The question is about dying the black hair.

AE, my point is that adding another hair also can be considered as change of Allah creation like dying the black hair.

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 11:04 AM
Didn't know that I'm occupying your space.

Same fatwa can be applied here:

هل يصح للمرأة أن تصبغ شعرها الأسود بلون آخر ؟


الجواب :

هذا من تبديل خلق الله ، وهذا من الاقتداء بالآخرين ، تريد المرأة أن تشقر شعرها لتخرج عن الفطرة التي فطرها الله تعالى عليها ، هذا غير جائز .


Anyway, am backing off now!

Look Again :think: !!

What I know And I have a verse for it is ; U can dye Ur hair any color
but not black ..:yes:

Dam3eti
03-05-07, 12:47 PM
You can dye ur hair any color but not black, why would it be harram if the girl should be mu7ajaba anyway.

jack
03-05-07, 12:51 PM
You can dye ur hair any color but not black, why would it be harram if the girl should be mu7ajaba anyway.

Oh hu ... How about all those 70/80 year olds ... like the saudi king, mubarack and others that I can say without a doubt that they dye their hair. :yes:

Oblivious
03-05-07, 12:53 PM
Why not Black? I don't get it...help?

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 12:54 PM
You can dye ur hair any color but not black, why would it be harram if the girl should be mu7ajaba anyway.

Btw Dam3eti ,wut I meant is Dying the white hair .. U are not allowed
to dye the black ones .[Is like using the hena to make it red].
I'm not sure about using other things .

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 12:55 PM
Oh hu ... How about all those 70/80 year olds ... like the saudi king, mubarack and others that I can say without a doubt that they dye their hair. :yes:

And who said Countries leaders ARE proper Muslim and U have to follow them !

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 12:59 PM
Why not Black? I don't get it...help?


This was in my post #20 ;
If the dying was by the use of black dying it is prohibited by Islam. The prophet PBUH allowed the changing of the colour of the white hair but to avoid blackening. He said, “Change this white hair but avoid blackening”, He warned of blackening the hair. However, it is permitted to dye it with colours other than black but even this permission also is limited by rationalization of the dying by other colours. In other words, dying by other colour must not be taken as a habit that change Muslim women and make then like non-Muslim woman. The Prophet PBUH said “Whoever makes himself like non-Muslim he is one of them”. Moreover, if the original colour of the hair was the black colour it is good to change it to another colour because the original in hair is black and its changing is act of deforming and disfiguring rather than decorating on beautifying. It also makes the Muslim woman like the non- Muslims ..

Angel_Eyes
03-05-07, 01:26 PM
ok but how did the subject divert to dying hair?..i dont dye my hair..

LosT_SouL
03-05-07, 01:32 PM
Believe me people can not stick to one subject .. The main subject was
Hair Extension .. Some people talked about plucking, Armpits , pubic etc ..

IceTea
03-05-07, 04:06 PM
You can dye ur hair any color but not black, why would it be harram if the girl should be mu7ajaba anyway.

Is breast enlargement allowed? sure she covers that area also!

Dam3eti
03-05-07, 05:23 PM
okay? so ur saying that dying ur hair any color is harram?

$w€€ŧ¥
03-05-07, 05:59 PM
now im confused!!

I lady can die her hair any color but not BLACK!
true or false!

IceTea
03-05-07, 07:11 PM
About dying the hair:


ما حكم صبغ الشعر بمختلف الألوان بالنسبة للمرأة ؟

الجواب :

أما صبغ الشعر من السواد إلى اللون الآخر فذلك من تبديل خلق الله ، وأما إن كانت ابيضّ شعرها فلها أن تصبغه بالحناء وأجيز لها أن تصبغه بالسواد لأجل التزين لزوجها من غير تدليس عليه .


So from above fatwa dying black hair to another color is not allowed, but if her hair turned to white then she can die it with 'hena' and it's allowed for her to die it with black for the purpose of beautifying to her husband without deceiving him.

Dam3eti
03-05-07, 11:41 PM
whos this fatwa from?

And why henna? what if you don't like the color? If ur hair is black and u put henna it turns red, why can't u just use red hair dye?

it says she can dye it black for her husband, what if her husband wanted it blonde?

Oblivious
03-05-07, 11:43 PM
I still don't get why not "black"

Nella
04-05-07, 12:55 AM
^ same here :rolleyes:

CuRiOuS_GiRl
04-05-07, 01:06 AM
irts a very interesting thread... keep it up ...

BrAiKi
04-05-07, 01:08 AM
Just a reminder of the topic, Hair Extensions and Human hair so please stick to it

$w€€ŧ¥
04-05-07, 02:14 AM
About dying the hair:


ما حكم صبغ الشعر بمختلف الألوان بالنسبة للمرأة ؟

الجواب :

أما صبغ الشعر من السواد إلى اللون الآخر فذلك من تبديل خلق الله ، وأما إن كانت ابيضّ شعرها فلها أن تصبغه بالحناء وأجيز لها أن تصبغه بالسواد لأجل التزين لزوجها من غير تدليس عليه .


So from above fatwa dying black hair to another color is not allowed, but if her hair turned to white then she can die it with 'hena' and it's allowed for her to die it with black for the purpose of beautifying to her husband without deceiving him.Thank you, clear now :cute:

IceTea
04-05-07, 09:21 AM
You are welcome sweety.

IceTea
06-05-07, 09:45 AM
These are a couple of fatawas by (Al-khalili) about dying the hair with different colors:


السؤال(32(



ما حكم استعمال أصباغ الشعر الحديثة ، وإذا كان ذلك جائزاً في حالة دون أخرى فهل للتاجر أن يبيعها دون السؤال عن غرض استعمالها ؟



الجواب :


حقيقة الأمر إذا كان هذا تغييراً لخلق الله كما يرغب الكثير من النساء في تشقير الشعر الأسود فإن ذلك غير جائز ، أما إذا كانت المرأة تفعل ذلك من أجل التزين لزوجها بخضاب شعرها الأبيض فلا مانع منه . فإن كان هذا الذي يبيع يرجو أن يكون من يستعمل هذا الصبغ من النساء إنما تستعمله لأجل تلكم الحالة وهي خضاب الشعر الأبيض لأجل التزين للزوج ففي ذلك سعة بفضل الله ، والله تعالى أعلم .

Question 33: what is the rule of using modern hair dye, and if it is permitted, can the seller sell it without asking (the customer) about the reason of purchasing it?

Answer: If it was changing the looks that God gave it to women, given the fact that many women nowadays dye their hair to blond then it is NOT permitted.. But if she does it to hide the white hair (or any flaw) then it is permitted.. So if the seller does ask about the reason used just to make sure it is permitted (i.e. to cover a flaw, or hide the white hair) then there's a reward for that, by Gods will, and God knows better

السؤال(33(


هل تصبغ المرأة شعرها بالسواد ؟


الجواب :


رُخص للمرأة في ذلك ، وإن شُدد في ذلك على الرجل .

Question 33: Can a woman dye her hair black?
Answer: yes it is allowed for her, but not allowed to the male


السؤال(34(


وتشقير الشعر الأسود؟



الجواب :


لا ، لأن أحسن الشعر فاحمه وإنما هذا من تغيير خلق الله إلى الأسوء .

Question 34: what about dying black hair to blond?
Answer: not permitted, because "the more black the hair the better"(not sure).. and that would be changing the way God created you to the worse.


السؤال(35(


والأبيض إذا حولته إلى أشقر ؟


الجواب :

لا بأس لأن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلّم أباح الخضاب بالحناء .

Question 35: what about white hair being dyed to blond?
Answer: It's okay because the Prophet :PBUH: allowed using henna to color the hair
Translations added ~ BrAiKi

Angel_Eyes
06-05-07, 03:48 PM
This is ENGLISH Sabla......

BrAiKi
06-05-07, 04:08 PM
Ice Tea if you have an english translation then please provide it, if not, then allow me to translate it

IceTea
06-05-07, 04:13 PM
Braiki, you can translate it.

BrAiKi
06-05-07, 06:21 PM
the reason of why hair can be colored black but can't be colored blond doesn't make sense to me :os

IceTea
06-05-07, 07:10 PM
Which question you are reffering to?

Dam3eti
06-05-07, 07:29 PM
excuse me?

u just contradicted urself, so its ok to dye white hair to blonde coz the prophet used henna, whats the difference if the hair was black and dyed blonde then?

What if the girl is born blonde? Is it okay for her to dye her hair black? It'll change the way she looks that way wont it?

IceTea
06-05-07, 07:38 PM
excuse me?

u just contradicted urself, so its ok to dye white hair to blonde coz the prophet used henna, whats the difference if the hair was black and dyed blonde then?

What if the girl is born blonde? Is it okay for her to dye her hair black? It'll change the way she looks that way wont it?

First of all, am not the one issuing these fatwas, so don't say 'u just contadicted yourself'! And I don't see any contradiction. The way I understand it is that a black hair is not allowed to be colored, however when the woman become old and her hair turns to white, she can either color it with 'hina', black or blond for the purpose of beautifying to her husband.

About your second question, no idea, maybe you can ask the mufti.

BrAiKi
06-05-07, 11:56 PM
i mean the mufti said something in arabic that can be translated "the more black the hair, the better it looks" or something like that, doesn't that seem like a personal preference? also dam3eti explained my point in her 2nd question, what I understand from the fatwa in question 33 is that women can dye their hair black, is he talking about older women who got white hair or younger women who have a different color by nature?

Thalia
07-05-07, 12:19 AM
Jeepers! This is making me dizzy.


Black yes.

Blonde no.

Blonde yes.

Black no.






Just dye it blue. That should solve the problem.



http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/graphics/blue1.jpg

BrAiKi
07-05-07, 12:32 AM
Fengy u're not blonde are you :p
when they say "coloring hair to blond" they're giving an example, it means dying it to any other color, thats what I understand

Thalia
07-05-07, 12:35 AM
Fengy u're not blonde are you :p
when they say "coloring hair to blond" they're giving an example, it means dying it to any other color, thats what I understand
oh no.

so blue is bad too? :(

Thalia
07-05-07, 12:36 AM
What about red. Seriously.

Mine is like fire red. Am I halal?

BrAiKi
07-05-07, 12:44 AM
that rule applies on muslims only ;)

Angel_Eyes
07-05-07, 08:31 AM
*SHAKES HEAD*.........this thread could go on forever!

IceTea
07-05-07, 08:41 AM
i mean the mufti said something in arabic that can be translated "the more black the hair, the better it looks" or something like that, doesn't that seem like a personal preference? also dam3eti explained my point in her 2nd question, what I understand from the fatwa in question 33 is that women can dye their hair black, is he talking about older women who got white hair or younger women who have a different color by nature?

The mufti when issuing fatwas doesn't follow his personal prefrences but based on evidences, knowledge. And about question 33 I believe he is reffering to old women or in other words hair that turns to white due to getting old (sha3r shaib).

LosT_SouL
07-05-07, 02:34 PM
Guys , this is the abad'iya (plz translate) view .. I have read about it in the suni and shi'a and they are so many fatwas about it .. which made it so difficult to understand .. Some scholars try to make their Fatwa to be flexible with the recent days issues more than considering the right thing ..

Intellective
08-05-07, 12:25 AM
Therefore, using human hair in any shape or form would be unlawful. It is prohibited to join one’s hair with the hair of another human or to wear a wig made out of human hair, regardless of whether the hair is completely joined and fitted into the hair or whether it is merely a wig which can be removed and re-worn whenever one desires. The ruling would be same even if one had a valid excuse in that one’s hair fell out, as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) did not permit it even in such situations.


So are you saying the wigs or the extensions which are made form HUMAN HAIR is HARAM but the extensions which acremic (i dont know if thats how its spelled ,basically plastic extensions))..is not haram?

BrAiKi
08-05-07, 02:47 AM
IceTea, when he said "A7san al sha3ri Fa7imoh" which I translated above "the more black the hair, the better" better according to who? or is it an arabic saying?
I love & respect our Mufti very much but what he said there doesn't make sense to me!

LosT_SouL
08-05-07, 03:46 AM
So are you saying the wigs or the extensions which are made form HUMAN HAIR is HARAM but the extensions which acremic (i dont know if thats how its spelled ,basically plastic extensions))..is not haram?

First , I don't say :) .. The Fatwa says ..
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1) Asma', daughter of Abu Bakr, reported that a woman came to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and said, "I have married my daughter whose hair has fallen out. Her spouse likes her hair to be long. O Messenger of Allah! May I add false hair to her head?" He forbade her to do this...while in other narrations 'Aisha, her sister Asma, Ibn Mas'ood, and Abu Hurairah all report that "The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) cursed al-wasilah and al-mutawasilah," referring both to the wig-maker and the wig-wearer and describing the use of false hair a "forgery." (Bukhari and Muslim)

2) Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that an Ansari girl was married and became sick hence all her hair fell out. They (her family and friends) intended to join her hair with false hair, so they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) who said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins her or someone else’s hair (with the hair of another man or woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined with the hair of another.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no 5590)

×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×.×
In both Hadeaths, We can see that Using False hair is not permitted ..
The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade this to such an extent that he did not even permit it for a woman whose natural hair had fallen off.

BUT, Some scholars disliked the joining of even synthetic and animal hair if it was completely attached and fitted to one’s own hair in a way that it is difficult to differentiate between the two, as it is a form of deception. However, many scholars permit it even if the wig or synthetic hair was completely fitted into one’s own hair.


Again , There are so many view in this matter ;
Aisha her sister Asma, Ibn Mas`ood, Ibn`Umar, and Abu Hurairah report:

"The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) cursed alwasilah and al-mustawsilah." Bukhari

Wasilah is a woman who is professional maker of wigs and hairpieces, and mustawsilah is the user.

One can easily deduce from the above hadith that men can in no way be permitted to use artificial hair and hence prohibition for them is greater. A man, whether he is a wasil (hair dresser) or a mustawsil, like effeminate longhaired `hippie` of today.

The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) never put up with any forgery, whether in faith or action. He never lost time in eradicating evils of falsification and fraud. He was against deceptions so much so that he did not allow it to some women who were actually in need of false hair.

What the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had remarked about a girl who had lost her hair before her marriage has already passed. Hadrat Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) reports:

"A certain girl of the Ansar who was married and subsequently fell ill, loosing her hair. Some people wanted to add other hair to her own, but when they asked the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) about this he remarked:

"Allah has cursed the wasilah and the mustawsilah." Ibid

Sa`id bin Musayab reports that Muawiyah delivered a public address during his last visit to Madinah. In the course of it he took out a strand of hair, saying"

"I have not seen anyone using this beside the Jews. Indeed, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), referring to the adding of hair to one`s own hair, called it forgery.” Ibid

According to another report, he said to the people of Madinah.

“Where are your scholars? I have heard the prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) prohibiting the use of this and saying:

"The Children of Israel were destroyed when their women started using this." Bukhari

Use of false hair stands prohibited in Islam because the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) has termed it " a forgery." It is because a fraud and falsification have no truck with Islam.

Khattabi says:

"Harsh punishments are promised (in the Hereafter) for such practices because they involve deception and fraud. If any of these is allowed the door will be open for other types of forgeries. Moreover, this involves the alteration of God-given features, as mentioned in the hadith of Ibn Mas`ood concerning "The alterers of Allah`s creation." Fath al-Bari, in the chapter entitled "Adding to the Hair

However, material other than hair, such as thread or cloth, which can be interwoven with natural hair is not prohibited. Sa`id ibn Jubair (may Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:

"There is nothing wrong with tawamil.” Fath al-Bari, on the authority of Abu Dawud

Tawamil means the use of wool or silk to make braids. Imam Ahmad bin Hambal (may Allah have mercy on him) has also commented on its permissibility. Fath al-Bari.