Is it 7aram in islam?! Why?! :os

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=4610&ln=eng&txt=plucking

http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=2162&ln=eng&txt=eyebrows

http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=94325&Option=FatwaId

My Opinion/Understanding: it is haram to make any change in the eye brows unless it is very ugly that is not found in the average people.any other reason is not accepted even for the husband.

Some females got some hormonic problems and they got more hair,so from my understanding ..they can fix that.

But not like what the girls nowdays do with all these thin lines.I understand that some of them remove it and use some kinda lazer operations to shape it up.


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there's a hadeeth that says "God Cursed the woman who plucks the eyebrows & who gets her eyebrows plucked" I don't think there's any verse from the holy quraan that mentions this.. I'll look for it and provide it

But why?! You are not harming anyone :os

thanx for providing the hadeeth maverik, the funny thing is that many muslims think that women are allowed to pluck AFTER marriage :os

Every scholar can give you a reason, but there's no direct reason in the hadeeth, I remember that the hadeeth was about changing how a person normally looks, so I guess the idea is about that too

I been asking that question since school days and all teachers just ignored it and said that i shouldn't debate it! I just want to know why?!

From my learning and understanding, you change the creation of god with the unnecessary operations or jobs. Its like when a women go for plastic surgery because she don’t like how her lips look or she wants bigger things in her body.

But From what I understood, you may do them if it was harming you. I mean if your chest was too small and it Marjory affecting your life or you god too much hair ... etc

Am sure that Tattos area clear example :)

Ok, thanks Maverick and BrAiKi. But does it harm any1 in anyway?!:os If a lady plucks her's does that mean she's going 2 hell?!:os

Charm,non of us got the right to say that some one will go to hell or not,its all on god's hand.

There is a "Hadeeth" 9a7ee7 about and its clear that you only may do it if it was effecting negativly in your life and you are having problems becouse of it.But if it was for the fashion and fun then its not allowed.

Hmmm I don't know, would a person harm anyone if he commits a suicide? I don't think the point is about harming others :think: God knows better!
It's your choice after all, about heaven and hell its not up to us to decide, even if a 100 scholar tells you that you will go to hell if you do this, without a direct verse from the Quraan, that doesn't mean you will go to hell, its up to God to decide. He is the most merciful.

Hmmm, there are three types of women I know:
1. Believe it's 7aram don't do it, also say if you pluck you going to hell
2. Believe it's 7aram still do it, no discussing about what's gonna happen after death
3. Don't even know it's 7aram and they do it<< :os

Charm,

If you checked the links up there,you would understand its 7aram and you are cursed if you do it for FUN.

But its allowed if it was harming you,like you got hormonic problems or you were born with a genatic problem.Logiclly if you do some thing haram then you choose to disobey god and the matter of you will go to hell or not then it goes back to him.

ABout the girls whom dont know if its 7aram or 7alal and do it , its not good.We learned in school that if you have a doubt about some thing then dont do it until you know if you should or you shouldnt.

There is a "Hadeeth" about it even :)

Sallam Charm,

From my understanding of the Hadeeth that Braiki is referring and the reason of why the Prophet :PBUH: had to say it; It indicates that a lady should not pluck her eye brows for a fun or entertain or to show off purpose, if she had to pluck them then the main AIM or REASON is to minimise its thickness if the eye brows were very thick that she was mistaken by a man or people were teasing her to the extend that she got hurt with such action, as a typical thing that happens that peopel always like to laugh at others and pinpoint the black spots on others.

About the hadeeth to which i can't remember the whole of it but i remember this part " ...لعن الله النامصه و المتنمصه..." in the meaning of Allah [swt] curses the who plucks and who gets plucked.


What i remember from the reason of this hadeeth, that one of the Sahaba/ Prophet's :PBUH: companion came to him after one of the battles and he was asking the prophet if it was allowed for him to get a piece of iron to cover his wounded nose, as while he was in the battle some one touched his nose with a sward and cut some of it, so he looked bad and he wants to cover that wound with a small cover made of iron.

The prophet :PBUH: allowed him to do that because of bad affect that caused this guy after the battle.

Which many Scholars I believe say that they think it is allowed for persons to get something added to their body or facial surgery if they went through a tragic accidents or wars or battles referring to what happened to the Sahaba.

Like for example, a lady had a car accident and lost half of her facial skin, so she is entitle to have the surgery done to cover the injure that happened on her face.

But then you are not allowed to change or add any thing to your body or face if there was nothing that was harming you or causing you any mental pr physical harm.

It’s the same as when you add hair extension tied to your natural hair, or adding the French or artificial nails to your original/natural nails or adding artificial eye lashes, this is all forbidden in Islam but only exempt if there was a serious reason behind wishing to proceed in doing such thing.

It is haram, theres a hadeeth that states : "God will curse women who pluck". But i guess these days ppl ignore this hadeeth. It isn't mentioned in the Quran though, and when i asked my islamic teacher last year she said it is haram but then i saw her daughter with plucked eyebrows :mmhmm:

I tend to hear so many things about it, some say if you are just removing the extra hair without changing the shape then its okay.

Well we'll find all sort of excuses to justify it!:p

Allah Yhdeena!

yeh its haram
changin the look god gave you
i dont and wont do it :p

yeah I believe it's 7aram, but yet i still do it ... because it simply looks bushy ! Also, people do things which are way worse than plucking eye brows ...

yeah I believe it's 7aram, but yet i still do it ... because it simply looks bushy ! Also, people do things which are way worse than plucking eye brows ...


Sallam,

YES its true that people do worse than just plucking the eye brows, and the later act is only counted as minor thing to some!

But if a girl starts plucking her eye brows, then she moves to using artifical nails and eye lashes, then hair extension and having her hair uncovered in other word not wearing hijab or showing part of her hair.

How many thunub/sins do you think she have already incounted?

For sure the answer is many thunub/sins, is like when you have 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 10, so now its not only 1 but 10 and for sure number 10 is higher than number 1. :)


"كل صغيرة كبيرة ,و ليس كل كبيرة صغيرة = Every Minor is major, but not every Major is Minor"

"But if a girl starts plucking her eye brows, then she moves to using artifical nails and eye lashes, then hair extension and having her hair uncovered in other word not wearing hijab or showing part of her hair. " <------------- Not necessary ...

The second of Maverick's links says it's also wrong for women to TRIM their eyebrow hair because this involves changing the creation of God. So, does that mean that cutting the hair on your head is wrong?

But they say dyeing the hair on your eyebrows is okay.

Now, why is dyeing not haram but trimming is haram? Aren't they both "changing" something? I'm not impressed with the reasoning power there...

The first link praises Shaykh Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz who was Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia for many years and a very conservative Wahhabi. So maybe these links don't really represent the consensus of Muslim scholars, but just the Wahhabi interpretation. Why follow the Wahhabis on eyebrows if you don't follow them on niqab?

Anybody got a clearly non-Wahhabi source?

There's no need to create chaos about this topic .. just do what you believe .. and what really pisses me off is people attacking you and saying you did a sin bla bla , meanwhile they're doing what's even worse.

"But if a girl starts plucking her eye brows, then she moves to using artifical nails and eye lashes, then hair extension and having her hair uncovered in other word not wearing hijab or showing part of her hair. " <------------- Not necessary ...

Sallam Juve'ntiniya,

Sorry, i did not get your comment of the above, can you please clear it more?

whatya mean changing what God gave you.. why not apply the same thing to head hair, beards, armpits and all that.. i mean hey if you leave all of those then you won't be changing what God gave you.. you will however look like an ageing hybrid of a caveman and a hippie. I'm not argueing the hadith itself, i am however argueing the reason behind the scholars..

Yes, I think surely JUVE has to be right. Some hairs you can pluck, apparently, they say, because they're too long, but you can't pluck TOO MANY hairs...etc., etc. Everybody is just going to have to figure this out for themselves. They can't have a Shaykh looking over their shoulder every time they fix their face saying, "Yes, you can pluck THAT one...STOP! NO! You can't pluck THAT one! Five hairs is okay, but six hairs is too much..."

Incidentally, I am a great fan of UNplucked eyebrows. To me, they are often much prettier.

The second of Maverick's links says it's also wrong for women to TRIM their eyebrow hair because this involves changing the creation of God. So, does that mean that cutting the hair on your head is wrong?

But they say dyeing the hair on your eyebrows is okay.

Now, why is dyeing not haram but trimming is haram? Aren't they both "changing" something? I'm not impressed with the reasoning power there...

The first link praises Shaykh Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz who was Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia for many years and a very conservative Wahhabi. So maybe these links don't really represent the consensus of Muslim scholars, but just the Wahhabi interpretation. Why follow the Wahhabis on eyebrows if you don't follow them on niqab?

Anybody got a clearly non-Wahhabi source?

Sallam Jeff,

I shall admit that i haven't read what Maverick provided above, so i wouldn't be able to help you on that exact comment.

In regards to dyeing hair, what i know is that is not allowed to dye your eye brows to, as you mentioned it changes the natural and original look of the person's face. But ladies are allowed to dye their hair if their husbands asked them to do, or got their husbands permission to do so. As to my knowledge there are some husbands who don't like their wives to either dye or even have a hair cut, they want them to stay as natural and original as they found them when they married them!

whatya mean changing what God gave you.. why not apply the same thing to head hair, beards, armpits and all that.. i mean hey if you leave all of those then you won't be changing what God gave you.. you will however look like an ageing hybrid of a caveman and a hippie. I'm not argueing the hadith itself, i am however argueing the reason behind the scholars..

Well, another thing I don't understand is that these sites rarely tell us what the strength of the hadith is, strong or weak or even rejected! These is easy to say, why don't they tell us? Okay, they mentioned that two scholars, Bukhari and Muslim have this hadith and that's helpful. But both of them rate their ahadith; why don't they give us the rating?

Okay, Solama, here is what the first link says about dyeing:

With regard to dyeing the eyebrows or a part of them with a blonde colour or a colour similar to that of the skin, there is nothing wrong with this, as was stated in a fatwa issued by our Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him and raise his status). He also stated in a fatwa that it is permissible to remove hair growing between the eyebrows because this is not part of them, but he stated that it is not permissible to trim the eyebrows if they are not troublesome or causing harm.

Okay, now surely this is a bit nutty, isn't it? First of all, ibn Baaz disagrees with you; you can dye blonde but not black, because it's "skin color"? Isn't that fruity? I mean, God made the eyebrows dark, how come it's okay to make them more skin color but not darker? :os

God puts hair between your eyebrows and you can pluck it even though he put it there! But you can't trim it even if you don't take any out! :help:

So, these sites often have good and interesting advice, but wouldn't you be better off asking your own shaykh if you want guidance? Because sometimes the reasoning makes about zero sense!

whatya mean changing what God gave you.. why not apply the same thing to head hair, beards, armpits and all that.. i mean hey if you leave all of those then you won't be changing what God gave you.. you will however look like an ageing hybrid of a caveman and a hippie. I'm not argueing the hadith itself, i am however argueing the reason behind the scholars..

Sallam Morpha,

The Hadith in regards to eye brows was mainly directed to women, as i don't think men really plus their eye brows unless if they are gay or following the trend that now days is spreading very fast, as part of looking COOL!

In regards to armpit and other hairy parts of the body, it is mainly a hygene issue, you are meant to trim or cut for its part of personal cleaning process, so there is no harm in that.

Not every scholar is right, this is why we are outh to read Quran and Hadeeth many times to understand them well and base what we think and believe with what it was said, despite the variation in sects. This is why Human were blessed with BRAIN :yes: Alhamdullilah

Not every scholar is right, this is why we are outh to read Quran and Hadeeth many times to understand them well and base what we think and believe with what it was said, despite the variation in sects. This is why Human were blessed with BRAIN :yes: Alhamdullilah

There you go! :yes:

Okay, Solama, here is what the first link says about dyeing:



Okay, now surely this is a bit nutty, isn't it? First of all, ibn Baaz disagrees with you; you can dye blonde but not black, because it's "skin color"? Isn't that fruity? I mean, God made the eyebrows dark, how come it's okay to make them more skin color but not darker? :os

God puts hair between your eyebrows and you can pluck it even though he put it there! But you can't trim it even if you don't take any out! :help:

So, these sites often have good and interesting advice, but wouldn't you be better off asking your own shaykh if you want guidance? Because sometimes the reasoning makes about zero sense!


Hi,

LOL at the qoute!

The truth i am really surprised with what was stated in there!:o

Well it shows a clear contradiction of what this Sheikh is saying.

Personally I don’t see the point of dyeing your eye brows, as normally your eye brows hair always matches up with your true head hair. So if this girl had her eye brows coloured in blonde and her head hair is in black, what will she gain to such variation? Plus its not even beautiful, well to me its not. Also to me it will be changing the colour of what Allah [swt] had already given her.


As to my understanding you are only allowed to change something in your body if something in it was harming you or was causing troubles or was a reason to create disease or you went through bad accident or injury that you required to cover up the wound, as I mentioned before, or for a hygienic reason such as trimming or cutting the armpit hair, otherwise nothing is permitted, unless that person is not satisfied with what Allah [swt] had created him/ her!

Seriously folks, do you think God/Allah is really bothered about whether you pluck your eyebrows or not ?

Well, I am happy with whatever you guys choose to do. I'm sure you all look wonderful whether you pluck or dye or don't pluck or dye. But like you said, don't pluck or dye your brain. Don't let yourself be too easily bullied by people who act like they know what they are talking about, but are often just giving you their own opinion, sometimes pretty weird! Think for yourself and if you need advice, you can always ask people near you who you know are wise, not just online sources.

Just wanted to add, that chemically dyeing the hair in Islam is not really preferred and it is only preferred if it Henna was used as a natural remedy or mixture. I don’t know any fatwa in regards to this but the scholars go after what the Prophet :PBUH: used to practice on, as he used to use Henna to dye his grey hair and bear.

This is why you will find many Asian scholars with reddish bear because of the henna used!


Sorry Charm for going off topic with this post, but just wanted to add this information.

Seriously folks, do you think God/Allah is really bothered about whether you pluck your eyebrows or not ?

Haven't been reading your Old Testament much lately, hmm?

Just wanted to add, that chemically dyeing the hair in Islam is not really preferred and it is only preferred if it Henna was used as a natural remedy or mixture. I don’t know any fatwa in regards to this but the scholars go after what the Prophet :PBUH: used to practice on, as he used to use Henna to dye his grey hair and bear.

This is why you will find many Asian scholars with reddish bear because of the henna used!


Sorry Charm for going off topic with this post, but just wanted to add this information.

So, you know about henna in the beard! Whenever I threaten to put henna in my beard on Sabla, people say, "Guys use henna!?! :o " )

There's always the New Testament, eh Jeff ?

So you apparently agree that is is a sin for a woman to pluck her eyebrows.

Interesting.

No, I don't! But I have to believe that God once wrote a lot of little teeny tiny laws that He expected people to follow, so the idea of God "caring" about things like the way you cut your hair (which He does legislate about in the Old Testament) is not ridiculous.

I mean, God didn't ask people to follow a bunch of laws before Christ came and then say, "Ha! Ha! I wasn't serious! I never really cared about all that. Joke's on you!"

So, you know about henna in the beard! Whenever I threaten to put henna in my beard on Sabla, people say, "Guys use henna!?! :o " )

LOL at you Jeff

I guess you are free to do whatever you want, though my personal opinion is henna does not suit men only women.:p

Seriously folks, do you think God/Allah is really bothered about whether you pluck your eyebrows or not ?

Just a simple question for you wudjab,

If Allah [swt] does not bother about your look or whether you pluck or cut or any thing that changes your look;

Do you think HE would have bothered to create you in the shape, look or perfect creation that you are created in, with every specific detail of inner and out parts of your body and specifically of how your body parts works?

For sure that HE created us in this way and for sure HE will want us to go back in the same way, unless you had to lose something or part of your body then you are excused!

No , I don't believe that God 'wrote anything' .

I believe that the Bible was written by man, inspired by God.

You must be confusing me with the moslems.

No , I don't believe that God 'wrote anything' .

I believe that the Bible was written by man, inspired by God.

You must be confusing me with the moslems.

LOL i never confused you with any one, i was answering your post.

It's good that you believe that the Bible is written by man, but sure the bible beholded by the people now is not the one that was sent by Allah [swt] to Issa [as] via Jibrail [as].

Thank you:angel:

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any way we are btter off sticking to the topic and not divert it as you always DO.:rn:

Sure ... here's your perfect body/creation.

Now whack that forskin off!

Here we go, the twin had appeared and tries to change the topic.

I wonder why do you even bother to reply in such threads that does not concern YOU!:rn:

No , I don't believe that God 'wrote anything' .

I believe that the Bible was written by man, inspired by God.

You must be confusing me with the moslems.

Wudjab, I know that you are a faithful Catholic despite our disagreements. Here is the solemn pronouncment of the First Vatican Council on Scripture:

7. These books the Church [the canon as defined by the Council of Trent] holds to be sacred and canonical

* not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed by unaided human skill,
* nor simply because they contain revelation without error,
* but because,
o being written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,
o they have God as their Author,
o and were as such committed to the Church.


~Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Chapter 2, On Revelation

http://www.dailycatholic.org/history/20ecume1.htm

An inspired book is a book which has God as its author, as its PRIMARY author, as the expression goes.

Here is how the Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, using standard terminology:

The Bible not only contains the word of God; it is the word of God. The primary author is the Holy Ghost, or, as it is commonly expressed, the human authors wrote under the influence of Divine inspiration.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02543a.htm

"Inspiration" doesn't just mean what we mean in popular usage. It literally means that the Spirit went IN the human authors in a special way and caused them to write just what God wanted them to Write, such that He is the Author of Scripture in the primary sense.

Now that doesn't mean that the human authors were ignored by God. He respects men, who are His Creations and He uses their minds and experiences and culture to write what He wants written. He doesn't simply hypnotize them.

But God is the primary Author of Scripture, though the pens were wielded by Apostles and Prophets.

Here is the Second Vatican Council's teaching on the question in 1963:

For holy mother Church...holds that the books of both the Old and New Testaments in their entirety [please note this, Wudjab: Old Testament, too], with all their parts, are sacred and canonical because written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author and have been handed on as such to the Church herself.(1) In composing the sacred books, God chose men and while employed by Him (2) they made use of their powers and abilities, so that with Him acting in them and through them, (3) they, as true authors, consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted. (4)

Therefore, since everything asserted by the inspired authors or sacred writers must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit, it follows that the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings (5) for the sake of salvation.

Dei Verbum, 11.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V2REVEL.HTM

LOL i never confused you with any one, i was answering your post.

It's good that you believe that the Bible is written by man, but sure the bible beholded by the people now is not the one that was sent by Allah [swt] to Issa [as] via Jibrail [as].

Thank you:angel:

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any way we are btter off sticking to the topic and not divert it as you always DO.:rn:

I wasn't referring to Jeff, not you.

Would you like me to answer your off topic question of would that be off topic ?

:hyper:

Muslims are killed everywhere! and you worry about your eyebrows!!!!

Well, Wudjab, the Muslims don't believe that God "wrote anything" either, if you are speaking literally. They believe the Angel Gabriel told Mohammed to recite God's words and others wrote down what was said later.

We believe that God the Holy Spirit caused the Sacred Writers to write precisely what God wanted written, such that they have God as their Author.

The only difference I can see is that we say God willed to use human authors in their human capacity, such that they are true secondary authors and wrote in their own styles etc. There is no secondary author in Islam.

But God the Holy Spirit asserted EVERYTHING in the Old Testament--including all those teeny, tiny laws about hair style. According to the solemn teaching of the Catholic Church in two ecumenical councils. And that's my on-topic point.

So, if you think it's ridiculous to think God is concerned about such issues as grooming, then He must not have been the author of the OT or else He was joking around.

I wasn't referring to Jeff, not you.

Would you like me to answer your off topic question of would that be off topic ?

:hyper:

Then my apology for replying you, but it will be better if you state the name of the person you would like to reply next time.

In regards to the off topic, well you can answer it some where else and it has nothing to do with me. :angel:

Wudjab, I know that you are a faithful Catholic despite our disagreements. Here is the solemn pronouncment of the First Vatican Council on Scripture:



~Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Chapter 2, On Revelation

http://www.dailycatholic.org/history/20ecume1.htm

An inspired book is a book which has God as its author, as its PRIMARY author, as the expression goes.

Here is how the Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, using standard terminology:



http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02543a.htm

"Inspiration" doesn't just mean what we mean in popular usage. It literally means that the Spirit went IN the human authors in a special way and caused them to write just what God wanted them to Write, such that He is the Author of Scripture in the primary sense.

Now that doesn't mean that the human authors were ignored by God. He respects men, who are His Creations and He uses their minds and experiences and culture to write what He wants written. He doesn't simply hypnotize them.

But God is the primary Author of Scripture, though the pens were wielded by Apostles and Prophets.

Here is the Second Vatican Council's teaching on the question in 1963:



Dei Verbum, 11.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V2REVEL.HTM

Thank you Jeff for the above information, at least there is something new that i learnt from this thread in exact about Christianity. :)

^^

You are welcome! I've learned many, many things about Islam since coming onto Sabla, so it's good to be able to return the favor. :)

^^

You are welcome! I've learned many, many things about Islam since coming onto Sabla, so it's good to be able to return the favor. :)

I always believe that to have a conversation with the oppose person with shouts, screams and sarcastic comments and pinpointing mistakes does not lead you to any where.

But

Having a conversation around a table with cool mood and with low tune with no criticism and with a good session of listening first then talk after that, while sipping a good cup of coffee, for sure will lead you to a good conclusion and a clear peaceful ending with understanding.:yes:

Mmm, coffee sounds good about now! ;)

I think Oblivious said it best.

This round goes to Oblivious.

well then I'll quote that in every single thread she started and get them locked, shouldn't I?
Every person has the right to ask & get answers

well then I'll quote that in every single thread she started and get them locked, shouldn't I?


LOL Mr. Moderator you are indeed learning from Nabhan:XD: [j/k]

I think Oblivious said it best.

This round goes to Oblivious.

Well, if you are now worrying about attacks on Muslims then indeed the round goes to Oblivious! With trumpets and drums!

I see her point and I agree that it's a comparative triviality, as my many posts here make clear. BUT...you can't simply say that it's ridiculous to think God could care about laws on regulating minutiae of human behavior. Not as a Catholic, anyway.

LOL Mr. Moderator you are indeed learning from Nabhan:XD: [j/k]

lol I didn't mean it that way, I meant, Oblivious herself has good topics that are similar to this topic, nobody goes there and says muslims are dying and you're worried about this and that.. She is right, but people should respect other people's questions as well..

lol I didn't mean it that way, I meant, Oblivious herself has good topics that are similar to this topic, nobody goes there and says muslims are dying and you're worried about this and that.. She is right, but people should respect other people's questions as well..



don't take it that way, i was just joking, and i am sure that Oblivious has some seriouse topics posted around. every one has the right to ask and to get the answers, plus every one has the right to go funny in their topics too, but not in a constant mood. :cute:

as i don't think men really plus their eye brows unless if they are gay or following the trend that now days is spreading very fast, as part of looking COOL!


I disagree, while i don't pluck them out, i do somewhat trim the edges because they make me look hideous and like Abu Lahab or even worse, Groucho Marx and he's jewish and I'm certain muslims don't want me to follow the trend of another culture ;)

http://www.jesuslist.com/blog/images/groucho-marx.jpeg

Know what I mean? :D

^^LOL :XD:

I can understand the reason behind it(Hadeth) now thanks Solfa:D

I agree with what Oblivious had said. Muslims are dying everywhere and people are concerned about their eye brows.

There is a limit for everything, a balance - don't be too self conscious and spend all your time trying to look like a super model and be more aware of other issues like your poor brothers and sisters who are suffering in the world.

Now ... ladies who do get their eyebrows plucked, they must get them plucked every fortnight.... and usually it costs around £3 per plucking session. Now.........if this woman decides not to go to hr appointment her eyebrows will become jungle like.......

These women are trapped in this vicious cycle ............. best thing is ....... dont get them plucked/threaded to such a thin line or shape in the first place... its a nuisance for these women.

There are more important things in life.

If there was no guidelines in the religion, even for these little issues ........muslims will simply cross the limit and be heedless. For example, tattoo's and even alcohol. If a prescribed amount of alcohol was made halal for muslims, u know what would happen? They would get drunk because they won't follow it.

So over all to my rambling, some things are just strongly discouraged and forbidden to make life easier.

scotty