huh?

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1859797,00.html

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Cairo - An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa claiming that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars.

According to the religious edict issued by Rashad Hassan Khalil, a former dean of Al-Azhar University's faculty of Sharia (or Islamic law), "being completely naked during the act of coitus annuls the marriage". .....

.... and ??

LOL!
its either too wierd,
or too fake to hear.

I'm supposed to believe South Africa's 'premium' newspaper reporting Egyptian Islamic fatwas because you say so?

And just for the record: Al Masry al Yom is NOT Egypt's 'leading' independent newspaper. The Islamic scholar who is said to have also responded is only referred to as Abd al Muti, with no surname...So far so suspicious.

"being completely naked during the act of coitus annuls the marriage"



Not a bad idea

I heard this like 3 years ago ... :bored:

So now were not allowed to have sex naked?....
Wonderful!...lol

Don't some people have a sheet with a hole in it? The sheet goes in between the man and woman to eliminate any unneccessary contact.

What happened in history that made people think such weird, uptight thoughts about what comes natural?

LOL!
its either too wierd,
or too fake to hear.

Exactly. :)

Sheikh Salah on huda tv said is not true
End of the story

If I said this is nonsense, would everyone attack all over again? :p...ah well, do I care?

This is nonsense!!

It is nonesense!!

nonesene and pointless thread I would say!

You mean the cleric is nonsense and pointless
Correct ?

damn, what about handcuffs & whips? PLEASE don't tell me they annul the marriage!!

This is rediculous, if it's true.. They're not even going by the Quraan, the Quraan states that only anal sex is forbidden, full stop.

^ Says who? As far as I know, having intercourse in anywhere where God didn't admit is sinful. I don't see anywhere that oral sex is explicitly said as permissible.

^^ but oral sex does not involve any form of intercourse...so I am guessing it is not forbidden.

seriously? lol!

Wit insanity... do you see anywhere where it is explicitly not permitted?

Afaik it is not haram, but some scholars say it is makruh.

Now no oral sex... ?

Sheesh ...

Oral sex isn't haram! Annal intercourse is! And it's not haram, it's "makrooh". How can you have sex with your clothes on? hmm

Oral sex isn't haram! Annal intercourse is! And it's not haram, it's "makrooh"

Mesmie , ANAL sex is HARAM AND FORBIDDEN :) .

Nudity during sex ISN'T forbidden .. All scholars agree with that ..

Oral sex isn't haram! Annal intercourse is! And it's not haram, it's "makrooh". How can you have sex with your clothes on? hmm


Hey, thats what zippers / buttons are for !

Oral sex isn't haram! Annal intercourse is! And it's not haram, it's "makrooh". How can you have sex with your clothes on? hmm

Yes you can.. Haven't you tried it yet? The new technology rocks!

Every Sheikh and Mofti goes with whatever suits them.. Shia ones allow Anal sex or should I use "Sodomy", well most of its parts, Ibadhies go in between, Sunni tops the league..

Somebody here just said Qur'an specifies that Sodomy is ONLY forbidden.. Anything else is accepted. Full Stop.. That's a fatwa and it's heavy! You cannot just interpret the Qur'an as you please :help: :help:

For instance, some Islamic Divisions allow the act of "blowjob", others don't.. Everything is debatable.. Blowjob, I heard and I repeat I heard, is medically proven very healthy for women and I honestly have seen its brilliant affects..

Now my question would be, is having the lights on while having sex allowed or not? I know German girls will never allow this, but hey what the heck!! :p :p

One word: nonesenseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!

farazdaqi....... Hellooo can you give us proofs for your bla bla and disrespecting the people when they discuss something ..

All off topics edited/deleted.

Kindly Stick to the topic, and provide proof for your posting

Thanks

And thats why I never follow any of the so called "wise" scholars they're without a doubt one of the major reasons islam broke into fragments..

I'm quite doubtful of the source as well.. a south african newspaper following an independant egyptian newspaper? besides what kind of guy announces no nudity during sex? Who here actually has sex with their clothes on (except for quickies or public places =P )? Moreover, a guy and his wife will be all alone in the bedroom with their clothes off, who is going to annul the marriage anyway?

As for beliefs, I remember me and the class asking my arabic/religion teacher about whats allowed and he said everything is perfectly allowed except anal sex.. of course he also added the disturbingly weird "armpit sex" as allowed..

Also I heard oral sex is 2nd dirtiest form of sex (the first being anal or was it the otherway round? I wouldn't know but eithercase if yur not sure go for a shower)

Armpit sex ?

Do tell us more.

I'm really enjoying this thread, keep it up :heart:

Keep what up ?

Oral sex from the Islamic prospective ;

Islam's stance on oral sex (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/fatwah_story.asp?service_id=318)

أخرج أحمد (5/3-4)، أبو داود (4/304/4017)، الترمذي (5/90/2769) عن بهز بن حكيم عن أبيه عن جده قال: قلت: يا رسول الله عوراتنا ما نأتي منها ومن نذر؟ قال: احفظ عورتك، إلا من زوجتك أو ما ملكت يمينك قال: قلت: يا رسول الله، إذا كان القوم بعضهم في بعض قال: إن استطعت أن لا يرينها أحد فلا يرينها قال: قلت: يا رسول الله إذا كان أحدنا خاليا، قال: الله أحق أن يستحيا منه من الناس". فالنظر إلى عورة الزوجة أمر مباح، كما أن نظرها إلى عورة زوجها أيضا أمر مباح كما صح عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وغالب ما يكون ذلك في حالة الجماع أو الغسل أو التمريض، أما ما سوى ذلك فالأولى هو الستر فإن الله حيي ستير. فحفظ العورة لا مع الزوج ولا مع غيره، هو كمال الخلق والحياء وسلامة الفطرة، فإن الإنسان السوي مجبول على ستر عورته، ودليل ذلك أن المرأة التي كانت تصرع جاءت تطلب دعوة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يدعو لها ألا تنكشف عند الصرع فدعا لها [رواه البخاري (5652)]، وفي صحيح الإمام البخاري (364) في قصة حمل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم للحجر أن العباس رضي الله عنه قد اقترح عليه أن يجمع ثوبه على عاتقه ليقيه الحجارة، وحينئذ سقط النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ورفع بصره إلى السماء وطلب أن يُرَدَّ إزاره عليه ويستر عورته سترا كاملا، فما رُؤِي صلى الله عليه وسلم بعد ذلك عريانا، وقد أفاد الإمام البخاري في صحيحه فبوب على هذه المسألة فقال: باب كراهية التعري في الصلاة وغيرها.

Summary: is it allowed to see your wife naked, but it is better to cover yourself up (according to my understanding, walking around in the room naked, etc should be avoided) ~ BrAiKi


السؤال
هل يوجد نهي من النوم بدون ملابس، ولو كان من الزوجة؟
ملاحظة: لا أقصد أثناء الجماع، إنما النوم اليومي، وجزاكم الله خيراً. الجواب
العورة يجب سترها في كل الأحوال إلا عند الحاجة كحالة الاغتسال أو الجماع أو قضاء الحاجة ونحوها، أما بدون حاجة فيجب ستر العورة؛ لما رواه بهز بن حكيم عن أبيه عن جده قال: يا رسول الله، عوراتنا ما نأتي منها وما نذر؟ قال:"احفظ عورتك إلا من زوجتك أو ما ملكت يمينك"، قال: فالرجل يكون مع الرجل؟ قال:"إن استطعت ألا يراها أحد فافعل"، قال: فإن كان أحدنا خالياً، قال: فالله أحق أن يستحيا منه" رواه الترمذي (2769) وغيره.
بناءً على ما سبق لا يجوز لك أن تنام بدون ملابس تستر عورتك، سواء كان هذا النوم مع زوجتك أو بدونها، إنما يجوز كشف العورة عند الحاجة فقط، والله –سبحانه وتعالى- أعلم.



Translation:
Question: Is is allowed to sleep naked with the wife?
PS: I am not talking abour having sex, I am talking about sleeping at night.

Answer: It is better to cover up the whole body, except when it comes to making love, cleaning, etc.. Prophet Mohammed :pbuh: said: "always Cover yourself except when it comes to your wife or what your hands possess, then someone asked, what about when a man is sitting with other men? He said: If you could keep yourself covered up then do it, They asked: what if a man was alone? He said: God has the priotiry to cover yourself up in front of Him"

^ Thanks a lot for the fatwa! I guess I might have interpreted it wrong then.

So oral sex is not just talking about sex ?

So oral sex is not just talking about sex ?

do you call this a Qs .. Wut do u mean by
talking about sex

And thats why I never follow any of the so called "wise" scholars they're without a doubt one of the major reasons islam broke into fragments..

I'm quite doubtful of the source as well.. a south african newspaper following an independant egyptian newspaper? besides what kind of guy announces no nudity during sex? Who here actually has sex with their clothes on (except for quickies or public places =P )? Moreover, a guy and his wife will be all alone in the bedroom with their clothes off, who is going to annul the marriage anyway?

As for beliefs, I remember me and the class asking my arabic/religion teacher about whats allowed and he said everything is perfectly allowed except anal sex.. of course he also added the disturbingly weird "armpit sex" as allowed..

Also I heard oral sex is 2nd dirtiest form of sex (the first being anal or was it the otherway round? I wouldn't know but eithercase if yur not sure go for a shower)
well, I've spoken with a few omanis that have told me they knew of people who don't let their wives undress for sex and don't even look at her, thinking this is wrong. It's def not the majority, of course, but such "overly religious people" who must think their behaviour is more pleasing to Allah, exist. And in Oman.

That's why I don't find it that hard to believe the report. Then again, I'm surprised no one here had mentioned that it happens. That there are actually people who would take that imam's advice!

What next? Put a paper bag over her head? It's ridiculous and farazdaki is right. "scholars" should stop giving advice to people on their own unique interpretation.

It's either ok or not. Anal sex is either ok or not. Oral sex is either ok or not. Everyone giving their own interpretation is really confusing and is putting cracks and rifts between followers. (then comes the genius who blames secterian hatred on foreigners. hah)

This is ridiculous. Now we can't sleep completely naked IN OUR OWN HOME WITH OUR OWN PARTNER? why don't they lock us all in a solitary prison cell and get it over with.

This is ridiculous. Now we can't sleep completely naked IN OUR OWN HOME WITH OUR OWN PARTNER? why don't they lock us all in a solitary prison cell and get it over with.
hey. You can always put a curtain up in the middle of the bed and hold hands. ;)

There's a difference between saying something and doing it. :D
And those who do do it, don't claim to be doing something righteous, backed up by what God's supposedly approves of. One is a shameless act, which I'm sure has been practiced on your very own omani based prozzies. The other is a obsession and fervent following of faith to a silly extreme.

If you read all my posts ,then you will see that am against wut he saying ..
And what he saying in nonsense .. One of my posts has the Islam's stance on oral sex as well ..

Look , There are so many scholars in this world .. But we dont do wut all they say .. We go with the trustful people and the ones who are known of their knowledge and research in the Islamic Shari'a ..

well, I've spoken with a few omanis that have told me they knew of people who don't let their wives undress for sex and don't even look at her, thinking this is wrong. It's def not the majority, of course, but such "overly religious people" who must think their behaviour is more pleasing to Allah, exist. And in Oman.



If that is true (which I doubt) then does it bother you?

Going back to the Hadith I guess there are other options from other sects .. To me she is yours and you are hers and as long as you sleep naked that’s all right! I guess those days the houses were not secure enough and see-through and it was safer to cover to avoid embarrassment.

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Don't some people have a sheet with a hole in it? The sheet goes in between the man and woman to eliminate any unneccessary contact.

What happened in history that made people think such weird, uptight thoughts about what comes natural?

That's just too weird:mmhmm:

Breathing while having sex, is it allowed? :bored:

Oral sex from the Islamic prospective ;

Islam's stance on oral sex (http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/fatwah_story.asp?service_id=318)

How can you not sleep naked with your wife?! I mean no wonder the divorce rate is inceasing by the min! Having sex would be like raping your partner if you they don't really enjoy it. This is all so extreme

This guy was the "dean" of a respectful Islamic uni teaching "sharia law".

So much for ask a scholar :rolleyes:

LOL Jack .

Now come on people has any one read how Islam encourage to satisfy women equally in sex and not to be mean and some hadith talks about even sexual position and kissing . Now who in hell said that we should not be naked .

Here are some information ,

Although the Quran has placed so much emphasis on acquiring knowledge, and in the days of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) Muslim men and women were never too shy to ask him questions including those related to private affairs such as sexual life.

as Muslims in the days of Muhammad (S) used to do". They used to come up to him and ask and discuss issues pertaining to sexuality; shyness is indeed a virtue of a Muslim- male or female, but not in matters of knowledge or deen/concept of life (Islam). Any person will come across the teaching pertaining to reproduction, creation (32:7-9)), menstruation (2:222), family life, sexual positions (2:223) and even ejaculation (86:6)(75:38) along with the moral and the social ethics in the light of Islam. This is the basics of Islamic Sex education: treating it as a blessing form the Almighty, a gift to human nature, a source of peace and tranquillity, as well as hasana in the light of high social and moral ethics.

In Islam, sex is more than just a means of procreation. It has a very specific role within the context of marriage, a concept that differs from some religions in that it is integral to the process of pleasing one's partner and creating a loving, nurturing relationship. As children get older and more able to mentally handle the subject, sex should be taught to be the beautiful able to convince you. Sex, in most cases, is an act that is between two people observed by God, and if one of those three is not comfortable with it, then something is wrong. The reality is that it happens, for non-Muslims and Muslims alike, and not talking about it or discussing it and its consequences can only make the problem worse thing that it is, within the context of marriage, so that once they grow up, they will be able to appreciate it for its inherent beauty and purpose.

Since the purpose of marriage is to be a mutual source of comfort, peace, and enjoyment for each other, like a garment that protects and covers, the sexual aspect of marriage is an extension of this. The husband is asked to be gentle, considerate and loving with his wife, and to try to satisfy her needs. The wife must reserve herself exclusively for her husband, and make efforts to be attractive, as well as making herself available to him whenever he is in need of her. This latter obligation also applies to the husband. In Islam, any sexual relations are reserved EXCLUSIVELY for the confines of marriage. Both husband and wife are also obligated to honor the privacy of the intimate relations between them, and should not speak of them to anyone.

Now, wheredid this info come from and who said nudity is not allowed .. There is no statement whatsoever in the Islamic Books ...

It actually depends on who you're sleeping with.. I mean "Generally"

When a person is able to breathe while having sex only has one meaning.. :mmhmm: :mmhmm: :mmhmm: :mmhmm:

Oh yeah: haram..

Perhaps, this guy wanted to suggest not to have the lights on while having sex.. Technically speaking, it's almost the same.

Who'll follow it?! :XD:

Wow, there's a broad spectrum of ideas about all this in Islam. From nudity is haram all the way to everything is permitted except anal sex!

This is all clear stuff in the teaching of the Catholic Church.

If that is true (which I doubt) then does it bother you?
I don't know. Would it bother you? Maybe if they were westerners, your pov would be ever so slightely different. :rolleyes:

Wow, there's a broad spectrum of ideas about all this in Islam. From nudity is haram all the way to everything is permitted except anal sex!

This is all clear stuff in the teaching of the Catholic Church.
this is why one never gets a straight answer to any question. Because there are too many scholars saying too many different things. Too many different interpretations of the same Quran verse or hadith.

And then comes the audacity to claim the Bible is corrupted! How ironic!

guys please keep this topic serious, off-topics have been deleted/edited :)

Well, I'd film us....!!

this kinda fatwas is sickenin me,,,, why would someone tell me what to do on bed ?? hmmm, why dont this scholar join us on bed and show us exactly how it should be done ???... I bet he is too shy to have sex... insecure ppl.

Umm Fengs...
If the scholars are saying too many different things on the same subject...
You just choose the one suting you best...
Is that...hard?

Umm Fengs...
If the scholars are saying too many different things on the same subject...
You just choose the one suting you best...
Is that...hard?
No. Actually, that would be great. Where you get to pick and choose which 'meaning' is more appealing to you.

But then, what is the point of having God's word if people can interpret it in anyway they see fit? Who are these people who interpret the verses? Who certifies them? What makes them able and capable of deriving and deciphering meaning from Godly words and then give conflicting answers at the same time? What gives them this authority?

Can I read the Quran and come to my own conclusions about what the verses mean and how and when I should apply them, if I do?

^No...
That is why we call them 'scholars'...They are people who have studied Islam for years and had taken the da'wah or Islamic scholarship as their job. Like priests in Christianity who you may ask, 'Is this right or wrong according to Christianity?'.
All you have to do is to dig up or ask some good scholars if it's a matter of conflict among the scholars. The good scholars are the ones who are certified, and believe me they come a lot on TV usually with their qualifications. I personally trust the Egyptian Dar al Iftaa (Egyptian Department of Islamic Guidance). Then, after hearing some of the opinions or reading them, just choose the one you see fit.

Fengy...Me and you will never be nicer than Allah. If you did something with the true belief that it was the right thing and that was backed up by Islamic sources and scholars, then inshAllah Allah will accept it :)

وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْمَحِيضِ قُلْ هُوَ أَذًى فَاعْتَزِلُواْ النِّسَاء فِي الْمَحِيضِ وَلاَ تَقْرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىَ يَطْهُرْنَ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرْنَ فَأْتُوهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَمَرَكُمُ اللّهُ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُحِبُّ التَّوَّابِينَ وَيُحِبُّ الْمُتَطَهِّرِينَ (222)
نِسَآؤُكُمْ حَرْثٌ لَّكُمْ فَأْتُواْ حَرْثَكُمْ أَنَّى شِئْتُمْ وَقَدِّمُواْ لأَنفُسِكُمْ وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّكُم مُّلاَقُوهُ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ (223)

[222] They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they are purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allâh has ordained for you . Truly, Allâh loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves (by taking a bath and cleaning and washing thoroughly their private parts, bodies, for their prayers).

[223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth, when or how you will, and send (good deeds, or ask Allâh to bestow upon you pious offspring) for your ownselves beforehand. And fear Allâh, and know that you are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give good tidings to the believers (O Muhammad (peace be upon him))

.. However, there r always some اداب or behaviors, that the couple should behave when practicing their sexual life.

How about we all just get to the point here. What's the final word?
A person has to be covered..even infront of their wife/husband?? that sounds ridiculous! Some one just say it in a clear and SIMPLE language and explain it to me?

How about we all just get to the point here. What's the final word?
A person has to be covered..even infront of their wife/husband?? that sounds ridiculous! Some one just say it in a clear and SIMPLE language and explain it to me?
Erm, apparently, you just get the scholarly reasoning that you like best and apply that.

I want the ISLAM reasoning! Not someone's opinion!

I want the ISLAM reasoning! Not someone's opinion!
Isn't a scholar's 'advice' the meaning or explanation of an islamic verse?

nope, it doesn't have to be.. Personal preferences, culture, MENTALITY, etc, they all count in a scholar's advice

just use a blanket and thats it.

If they're going to *beep* then there's nothing they can not do! :XD:
lol, isn't it absurd? If they can not get naked infront of each other, then I think they shouldn't be comfortable having sex either..

What is it about anyways? being ashamed?

just being over protective which happens to be a negative thing (imvho)

How lame and stupid... Is this really islam ? fatwa?

I will have sex the way I want, fake shiekhs bungholes.

every scholar has a different view and understanding of some things

before anyone goes furthur with this......"silliness", the next step will be, "Oh dont look at yourself in the mirror unless you're covered!" OMG! :XD:
where did this whole thing come from? alright, you out there, speak up! come clean! CONFESS! Or you will be on trial!
I mean come on! you can't see your own spouse uncovered??? what the hell? When a person get's married, they make vows infront of God and with God as their witness, the are HUSBAND and WIFE,so i seriously dont think it matters wiether she's covered or not! Whatever goes on in the bedroom or house, is not others' business.

I mean come on! you can't see your own spouse uncovered??? what the hell?

Ur Qs means that U have not read Wut the others wrote
and the evidences ..
U can be naked when U r with ur Partner .. But U don't just stay
in the house uncovered even if it is only Ur husband there ..
It's more preferable or accepted in Islam to cover
Ur body ..
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Just give the situation U want to be naked except during sex or having
shower or changing Ur clothes?!!! :os

huh?

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1859797,00.html

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One thing which you MUST understand is that, it was the Egyptians who brought clothing civilisation to the world. Egyptians means the Africans, and it was the Europeans who in turn corrupted the rest of Africa. But original African civilisation is still lingering in the region inhabited by the great people of Kara the Karamojongs ;)

I hear, some parts of europe have begun to practice the great culture of nudity.


Link:

http://www.ugpulse.com/articles/daily/Heritage.asp?ID=501








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What exactly does it mean when it is said that she should be covered? meaning the scarf or clothes in general? what?

What exactly does it mean when it is said that she should be covered? meaning the scarf or clothes in general? what?

In which Situation U want to know !?:mmhmm:

Ok , If a women having sex with her Husband (alone).. Why on Earth she want to wear scarf ?!! or clothes !! ..

But ,, if U talk in general which means away from sex !!
Isn't obvious that she should wear clothes is she is not having sex ..