personally i have two muslim wives and a British first ex-wife and I can tell you the benefits of having more than one wife :

1>full sexual satisfaction especially when my both wives don't have their monthly period at the same time!

2>they both take good care of me and always my stomach is full , frankly i become overweight!!

3>I always have free time with my friends as both my wives think i am with the other one, and doesn't matter what time i go back home.

4>Both wives they miss me a lot and can't wait to see me and their love to me increase by the day.

5>little or no arguments with both wives a total piece of mind.

6>I can take the opinions of both my wives if i am not sure about something and two heads is better than one!!

7>and the most important benefit of them all is more than one wife means more Muslim children to be born and that's what our prophet (pbuh) told us to do " Get married and multiply I will show you off in the day of judgement"
in Arabic "تناكحوا تكاثروا فاني مباه بكم الامم يوم القيامة"

to understand more why islam allows up to four wives read this article:

http://islamtomorrow.com/articles/marry_4_women_too.htm


That's all I can think of right now if I think of more I will let you know....

Are you liberty ?

Aaah...You're just kidding or being sarcastic, aren't you?
Because...There's more to having wives than getting your stomach full and having sex with different women :os

*goes into a corner and pukes*

Have you noticed that all the 7 reasons why you think having more than one wife is good, are all about YOU? I, I, I.. I get sexual gratification, I will be missed, I am well fed, I will have peace of mind, I, I...


Damn. I almost wish I could have a second husband myself. Or maybe even a third.


:rolleyes:


Afaik, none of the reasons above, except maybe the last, are the reasons why God, in your Quran, allowed men to marry up to 4 women.

*goes into a corner and pukes*

Have you noticed that all the 7 reasons why you think having more than one wife is good, are all about YOU? I, I, I.. I get sexual gratification, I will be missed, I am well fed, I will have peace of mind, I, I...


Damn. I almost wish I could have a second husband myself. Or maybe even a third.


:rolleyes:


Afaik, none of the reasons above, except maybe the last, are the reasons why God, in your Quran, allowed men to marry up to 4 women.


SORRY fengy it's so bad that you are not allowed to have more than one husband .

If only as you said the last reason is why God allow muslim men to marry 4 i am contended and happy with that.

It can be very practical & savior for a society in certain situations, Iraq's current situation is an example where men are dying in large numbers daily

It can be very practical & savior for a society in certain situations, Iraq's current situation is an example where men are dying in large numbers daily
if they stopped blowing themselves up, they wouldn't be creating the problem. LOL

Come on, are you telling me that women and children aren't dying in the same amounts in market blasts across the country? And if there ever was an over population of men, as there is in china, should it be reversed?

Clouds: Please, I was joking. I have one husband and he's more than enough. Still though, thanks for revealing the REAL reasoning behind why you defend your right to marry and sleep with more than one woman.

tis a shame, Ramses 2 is said to have around 100-110 of sons and daughters :p

But anyways I only believe it should be used when society's population is running low and should only be used if one man is capable of supporting 2 women and 2 families at the same time..

wow.. is there anything Ramsis 2 did apart from make babies? :hyper:

It's funny because not so many years ago, Muslims were careful to stress that in order to have more than one wife, you had to be sure that you could treat them all equally, with equal love and attention and equal provision.

And they would almost always add, in my experience, that almost no men were capable of such a feat.

Now, it seems to be popular just to say: Up to four; no problem!

I liked the old attitude better. Some of Cloud's thinking makes a certain kind of sense, but a lot of it just feels like a kid saying, "Ah-ha-ha! See what I can get away with. Life is good if it's good for meeee!" It has the same seriousness and weight as his attitude to lung cancer.

I wonder if men are really doing their duty as Muslims if they don't ask themselves very seriously how this affects their wives instead of looking at it all through their own eyes and their full bellies. I mean, do you bother to ask your first wife how she would feel if you took a second; would it be better or worse for her? Or do you just assume that whatever floats your boat must be fine with her?

What do you guys say? Is it really just the man's unfettered decision or does it matter what the wife thinks or how she feels?

tis a shame, Ramses 2 is said to have around 100-110 of sons and daughters :p

But anyways I only believe it should be used when society's population is running low and should only be used if one man is capable of supporting 2 women and 2 families at the same time..

How many did the previous ruler of Kuwait have then? (may he rest in peace). The dude married a girl every night I guess. Divorcing her after the next day I guess.

Cloud, 6>I can take the opinions of both my wives if i am not sure about something and two heads is better than one!!

I never thought of it, great reason. God asked us to always take our wife/wives opinions about everything.

It's funny because not so many years ago, Muslims were careful to stress that in order to have more than one wife, you had to be sure that you could treat them all equally, with equal love and attention and equal provision.

THat's absolutley true Jeff I try my best to be fair to both of them but only God alone is the JUST.

And they would almost always add, in my experience, that almost no men were capable of such a feat.

If you can give them love and affection and satisfy their needs i am sure you can make it all fine.

Now, it seems to be popular just to say: Up to four; no problem!

If you living in a society like the Arabian gulf states where having more than one wife is common you will surley say : Up to 4; no problem.

I liked the old attitude better. Some of Cloud's thinking makes a certain kind of sense, but a lot of it just feels like a kid saying, "Ah-ha-ha! See what I can get away with. Life is good if it's good for meeee!" It has the same seriousness and weight as his attitude to lung cancer.

Thanks for the compliment and I am not showing off that i am all happy and saying life is so good but i surely have my good and bad times.
I am still convinced though that cigarettes smoking is not the direct reason for lung cancer; pollution is the main cause.

I wonder if men are really doing their duty as Muslims if they don't ask themselves very seriously how this affects their wives instead of looking at it all through their own eyes and their full bellies. I mean, do you bother to ask your first wife how she would feel if you took a second; would it be better or worse for her? Or do you just assume that whatever floats your boat must be fine with her?

Frankly I didnt consult my first wife when i took the second wife simply because she would say no way!! that's the attitude of most women.

What do you guys say? Is it really just the man's unfettered decision or does it matter what the wife thinks or how she feels?

For muslim women they can understand and accept (eventualy) why their husband will re-marry especially if they are true believers.

I'm sorry but the prophet (PBUH) did not encourage us to go crazy and marry four wives and have as much children as possible. What PBUH adviced was to have children, not to have children as much as we can.

Next time mention from the begining that this crap is from your point of view, not Islam's. Thank you.

I'm sorry but the prophet (PBUH) did not encourage us to go crazy and marry four wives and have as much children as possible. What PBUH adviced was to have children, not to have children as much as we can.

Next time mention from the begining that this crap is from your point of view, not Islam's. Thank you.


I didn't say every muslim MUST marry four wives!!! God said in the Holly Quran :
" And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice".(Surrah4:verse3)

so the main condition to marry more than one wife is to do justice between them.

The hadeeth of the prophet(pbuh) i mentioned before islamic scholars explained it as i mentioned before: get marry to more than one and have more children (multiply:تكاثروا) .

so this is not my own point of view it's from the Quran and Sunnah.

It's also mentioned that men will never be fair to more than one wife..

I didn't say every muslim MUST marry four wives!!! God said in the Holly Quran :
" And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice".(Surrah4:verse3)

so the main condition to marry more than one wife is to do justice between them.

The hadeeth of the prophet(pbuh) i mentioned before islamic scholars explained it as i mentioned before: get marry to more than one and have more children (multiply:تكاثروا) .

so this is not my own point of view it's from the Quran and Sunnah.
So, it's important to consult with your wive(s) unless it's when you're making that really small whimsical non-important decision of marrying a second wife, having more kids and creating more heirs?

Yeah. Some justice THAT is.

^

Don't listen to the guy. This thread contains some BS.

i'm impressed i simply love the benefits !

Man, make sure you don't have sex always here and there. By the time your power machine cannot perform, somebody needs to get satisfied, eh? :p

How many did the previous ruler of Kuwait have then? (may he rest in peace). The dude married a girl every night I guess. Divorcing her after the next day I guess.

Cloud,

I never thought of it, great reason. God asked us to always take our wife/wives opinions about everything.

I don't know why you specifically mentioned ONLY the ex-Emir of Kuwait (allah yer7omma) and I assure you, your information regarding this matter is full of crap :p

^^ i feel tension going on :P chill you two ! leave the dead alone - allah yr7amihom. There's no point of 7ishing feehim (talking about them) now after they're dead.

I am chilled but I am gonna be more chilled just because you asked. See you're appreciated :p

" And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice".(Surrah4:verse3)

the verse explains it all :yes:

You can have up to 5 wives only if you can offer them the same amount of attention, love, and financial freedom, which is imposible and I think you are out of your mind!


I would ask you in God's Name to read a Koran!

^^

Yeah, this is more like what I used to hear.

What's so disheartening about clouds' idea is that he seems just to assume that if you want more than one wife, you can have her. Justice? Why worry? That's EASY.

And the bizarre-seeming idea that any wife who is a "true-believer" couldn't possibly have any objection.

The Quran verse Braiki cited doesn't seem to say, "Don't worry; if you want more than one wife, you can have one, no sweat!"

I'd like to see some hadith or some other authoritative source on this question.

Is there anything to stop a woman from saying this:

"Sure men are permitted under some circumstances to marry more than one woman. But I want to marry one of the men who want only one. Are you one of those? Or are you one of the ones who want to marry more than one? Because if you are, I don't want you."?

Can't she say that and still be a True Believer?

Everyone here basically ... sucks. The guy's happy, his wives are obviously happy. No harm done ..

You're all just jealous ..

Believer or not ...

But he only can be with me!

I don't like to be shared nor to share what's mine!

Yes, that's the problem I have understanding all this.

I want to belong to my wife the same way she belongs to me: Completely.

^^

I'd like to see some hadith or some other authoritative source on this question.

Is there anything to stop a woman from saying this:

"Sure men are permitted under some circumstances to marry more than one woman. But I want to marry one of the men who want only one. Are you one of those? Or are you one of the ones who want to marry more than one? Because if you are, I don't want you."?

Can't she say that and still be a True Believer?


This could be the answer to your question Jeff:

a group of scholars made it lawful for a woman to make it a condition for the man who proposes to marry her that he must not get married to any other woman as long as she is his wife. For these scholars, If the man accepts this condition he must fulfill it. Their evidence is the Hadith of Oqbata Ibn Amer (May Allah be pleased upon him) that Prophet Muhammad (Blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The most worthy conditions to be fulfilled by you (Muslim men) are the ones, which made the (women’s) vagina lawful to you". This is a sound Hadith narrated by al-Bukhari and others. But this condition is false and the man is not asked to fulfill it because it goes against the Quran which has made it lawful for the man to marry two, three or four women. Allah says: {…then marry women of your choice two or three or four}. [4:2]. And the Prophet Muhammad (Blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever stipulates a condition that is not in the Book of Allah (i.e. Qur’an), it is considered false even if he stipulates a hundred conditions”. Narrated by both Muslim & Bukhari. And Allah knows best

Source : islamweb.net

That can't be true, it seems to me.

It is lawful to sell and buy property, but you can put conditions on it.

It's lawful to agree to drive someone to the movies, but you can put conditions on it.

It's lawful to go to work for someone, but you can put conditions on it.

We are allowed to make promises about limiting our freedom to other people.

So the quotation from Bukahari must mean something else besides: Never any conditions. And I notice that they don't give a source for the quote or give the context or tell us what Mohammed was talking about when he said that or even what the strength of the hadith is.

Maybe what it means is that the woman cannot use the force of law to stop a man from breaking his word to her if he promises to be true to her only. But she can look him in the face and say: "Liar! You are not a man of your word."

And there's always the first group of scholars that even this source admits exist. I think they are surely right.

Anyway, I guess it's not my problem. I believe, One Man, One Woman, til death do you part. And alhamdulillah that I believe that.

Here's another opinion from a Muslim:

No woman can be forced into this kind of marriage
if they do not wish it, and they also have the right to exclude it in
their marriage contract...

What the Qur'anic decrees amount to,
taken together is discouragement of polygamy unless necessity for it
exists. It is also evident that the general rule in Islam is monogamy and not polygamy. It is a very tiny percentage of Muslims that
practice it over the world...

Permission to practice polygamy is not
associated with mere satisfaction of passion. It is rather
associated with compassion toward widows and orphans. It was the Quran that limited and put conditions on the practice of polygamy
among the Arabs, who had as many as ten or more wives and considered
them "property".


http://www.jannah.org/articles/misc.html

Here's more:

Also, Islam has emphasized that the basic objective of healthy marital life comes from mutual love and benevolence between the husband and the wife which normally can be found in the form of regular marriage - monogamy.

a) What if a woman does not accept polygamy

First of all, marriage in one of its phases is a legal contract between the wife and the husband. Both partners have the right to add any condition that they think it will help them to protect their future life. So, if a woman thinks polygamy is against her interest, then she has the full right to announce her objection during the marriage contract as a condition and a right for a valid contract or else it will be nullified. Based on that, the husband has to commit to that condition or he would have no right to keep her as a wife if she decides to get divorced and was approved by the Islamic court, especially if divorcing the husband is controlled by the wife.

http://www.islamology.com/Overview/Women/Polygamy%20In%20Islam.htm

"Permission to practice polygamy is not
associated with mere satisfaction of passion. It is rather
associated with compassion toward widows and orphans"

This is why it existed in the first place. But, as you can see, it is NOT the reason so many men take second wives in this day and age. And that must hurt the first wife in some way, the knowledge that their husband is taking another wife for shallow reasons other than reasons of compassion towards a woman with children who's husband has died and needs a husband to maintain them.

I can *almost*, just barely, understand and accept the widower situation, but other than that... it completely disgusts me how people take an 'allowance' from the kuran and selfishly exploit it to their own full benefit.

Because...There's more to having wives than getting your stomach full and having sex with different women :os


Yeah, think of the Credit Card bills to be paid each month !!

In Islam, if a woman can make it condition that divorce is in her hand (and no longer the man's), and the husband accepts, then I'm perfectly sure that she can stipulate a one wife policy in the contract, and it would be legal.

Marriage is a contract, and you can add conditions onto it as long as the husband accepts, and it is nothing against Allah's book (marrying one wife is not against Islamic teachings).

I think one of the reasons is to prevent adultry, Islam said zina (adultry) is haram so if you men want more women then marry up to 4. Closing one door while opening another door, this is the beauty of Islam.

Beside that in heaven men also can have more than one wife, so are women going to complain also in heaven or modify the contract?

So the quotation from Bukahari must mean something else besides: Never any conditions. And I notice that they don't give a source for the quote or give the context or tell us what Mohammed was talking about when he said that or even what the strength of the hadith is.

Actually, they do. Your information is completely wrong.

In Islam, if a woman can make it condition that divorce is in her hand (and no longer the man's), and the husband accepts, then I'm perfectly sure that she can stipulate a one wife policy in the contract, and it would be legal.

Marriage is a contract, and you can add conditions onto it as long as the husband accepts, and it is nothing against Allah's book (marrying one wife is not against Islamic teachings).

But what about trying to limit the ability to marry more than one wife as a condition? This is not considered against Allah's book, as you claim.

It goes exactly the same when a girl puts a condition for how many kids she wants.