Why Problems Within Families Are So Common in Saudi Society
Maha Al-Hujailan

A woman, in the eyes of society, is just a troublesome child who needs continuous discipline, monitoring and terrorizing if she is to discharge her duties. The perfect wife is the one who is paranoid and suspicious of her husband — always dreading the moment he’ll marry another woman. In other words, without such direct or implied threat from her husband she can never be a devoted, loving or caring wife.

Whole article here

http://www.arabview.com/articles.asp?article=785

do you think the Saudis need reform?

This is my favourite part.

"In fact, Saudi culture assumes that the woman is an underage creature lacking in mental and psychological maturity. "

Now watch icetea defend this way of thinking.

It's all very sad

I wonder how they will change - perphaps Tea will tell us?

On another note, I see the author has written a few other articles. Apparentky you will rarely see Saudi Men playing with their children on swings etc - that is the job of the mother

http://www.arabview.com/articles.asp?article=746

There's nothing political in this
To be moved in social problems

its sad...BUT TRUE !!

It falls under Politics if you think that changes in the law will help

or would that make it under Religion?

Again
and you should understand my point cause come from a civilised country and are educated man
people behaviour in society is the result of many factors : dsnt matter if secular or not, religion has an important role in it but is just one of the factors
See if you cut some of the lines in the articles and throw in one of those about pacs and dico which is going on these days in Italy, it would perfectly fits

How can a woman nourish and protect her husband, family and household when she’s under the threat of losing her man to another woman?
This is valid for example in a society like ours where having relations out of marriage is perfectly normal or where, if civil union is allowed, will be much more difficult to find traditional families

To be honest I didnt get what you trying to prove cause not following anymore the other thread
Might be anyway that you're showing how women are submitted in this part of the world due to religion obligations
If you take a look at Arab human development reports made by UNDP in the last years [which can be surely criticised but being the only available source, we must take them in some consideration] you will find that :
1] the problem of Arab people in their societies is the access to all ways of partecipation to their life
2] women are the most who suffer this

I wouldn't say though, this is entirely due to religion
Is a matter of education and of mentality
You can stand up for their rights how much you want but dnt let's hide ourselves behind a finger [as they say in my country of origin] : we've been helping this process by supporting their governments and til this was good for us then it had to be good for them also
Now that there's this wave of politically correct prissiness we're discovering that Arab Muslim women are oppressed by veil, by husbands, by kings
Is not fair
Is about time we give them the chance to grow and find their way by themselves otherwise we'd fall in the same mistake

Such threats are common in the Arab World but what if - if those 'threats' are turned the other side round ! ;) What will happen even jockingly ! Am eager to see what the female Sablanian got 2say on this !




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Again
and you should understand my point cause come from a civilised country and are educated man
people behaviour in society is the result of many factors : dsnt matter if secular or not, religion has an important role in it but is just one of the factors
See if you cut some of the lines in the articles and throw in one of those about pacs and dico which is going on these days in Italy, it would perfectly fits


This is valid for example in a society like ours where having relations out of marriage is perfectly normal or where, if civil union is allowed, will be much more difficult to find traditional families

To be honest I didnt get what you trying to prove cause not following anymore the other thread
Might be anyway that you're showing how women are submitted in this part of the world due to religion obligations
If you take a look at Arab human development reports made by UNDP in the last years [which can be surely criticised but being the only available source, we must take them in some consideration] you will find that :
1]the problem of Arab people in their societies is the access to all ways of partecipation to their life
2] women are the most who suffer this

I wouldn't say though, this is entirely due to religion
Is a matter of education and of mentality
You can stand up for their rights how much you want but dnt let's hide ourselves behind a finger [as they say in my country of origin] : we've been helping this process by supporting their governments and til this was good for us then it had to be good for them also
Now that there's this wave of politically correct prissiness we're discovering that Arab Muslim women are oppressed by veil, by husbands, by kings
Is not fair
Is about time we give them the chance to grow and find their way by themselves otherwise we'd fall in the same mistake

I'm not entirely sure I understood your post, (even though I know you did your best to be clear) ...

I agree on the fact that the problems lie with the mentality but I think we can also agree that these mentalities in KSA are somewhat tied to wahhabism and the way religion is applied with extreme strictness and no flexibility what so ever.

So what does KSA need to do to fix this?

Honestly I have no idea as I dnt know much about Saudia apart the things I read and is not enough

even though I know you did your best to be clear) ...
Dnt worry am not Einstein and i can do better but there's nothing worse in this world than a deaf who dsnt want to listen