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This is a very disturbing video footage & I'd rather paste the link only
A drunk Jewish claims that: "we killed Jesus, we're proud of it"
What are your views?
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M539PgDjbas)
Threadlike
11-02-07, 11:39 PM
He's drunk. So I don't think he was for real...But he was sober enough to see the camera and tell the dude not to take a picture!
All the same, disturbing and offending for all!
And why should the words of one drunk man mean anything to those who believe the Jews killed Jesus?
It's just words. So petty and "of this world".
Jesus is more than that. He forgave these people a long time ago. Why shouldn't we?
People say all kinds of things!
A faction of the Jews including the Chief Priest petitioned the Roman governor to have Jesus executed. But many Jews loved him; all of his followers were Jews originally.
Many Jews today admire Jesus; many others have mixed views. Some regard Jesus as a blaspheming and evil man who deserved death.
No surprise! There is a similar variety of views about Mohammed among Christians!
So, to this guy: Peace, man. God bless you. And sober up! ;)
Fengy is right. From the Cross, Jesus prayed for those responsible for putting Him there and spitting at Him and mocking Him. "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing," He prayed.
Amen.
Mel Gibson said some nasty stuff about jews when he was drunk and now the jews hate him, yet when some ordinary jew says something nasty about christianity the world is ready to forgive and forget. how ironic.
Pygmalion
12-02-07, 12:42 AM
And why should the words of one drunk man mean anything to those who believe the Jews killed Jesus?
It's just words. So petty and "of this world".
Jesus is more than that. He forgave these people a long time ago. Why shouldn't we?
I do not accuse any of the today Jews for Killing the prophet Jesus but those who tried to kill him and Allah saved him, were JEWS.
Mel Gibson said some nasty stuff about jews when he was drunk and now the jews hate him, yet when some ordinary jew says something nasty about christianity the world is ready to forgive and forget. how ironic.
True enough! The secular West hates Christianity worse than anything.
But Mel Gibson is a good Christian and he does not believe in hate. He would say the same thing as any other Christian: Poor knucklehead! God forgive him. We Christians are supposed to be in the business of blessing, not cursing and asking forgiveness for others, not hating them.
And we are also in the business of being fair. Drunks sometimes say what they really think. But sometimes they say any old stuff that pops into their heads, even if they don't really feel it. Mel Gibson isn't anti-Semitic and he Jewish friends know that and say it all the time.
Anyway, if you think Jesus is a fake Messiah and a blasphemer, why wouldn't you hate Him? This guy was brought up with a negative view of Christians and of Jesus, so we have to factor that in, too. He doesn't understand; he's ears have been blocked.
I wonder what Monotheism would say, hmm? He defended Baruch Goldstein the other day! :os
Even as a Christian, this poor drunk guy is MUCH easier to forgive than Baruch Goldstein:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein
How can son of God be killed? remember 1 + 1 +1 =1
All the off thread topic posting that arn't discussing the thread topic were deleted ...
Stick to the main topic of the thread
Jeff, surely you can squeeze in Baruch Goldstien in your daily prayers, you know, maybe between Bin Laden and Saddam ?
Why this discrimination ?
Jeff, surely you can squeeze in Baruch Goldstien in your daily prayers, you know, maybe between Bin Laden and Saddam ?
Why this discrimination ?
Who told you I don't pray for Baruch Goldstein?
Bin Laden and Saddam are in my FAMILY's daily prayers because they are (or were) our country's ENEMIES. When you are fighting against people, that's when the danger of hating them arises. And Our Lord tells us that we should pray for our enemies. Baruch Goldstein--like many other people--deserves my prayers and gets them. But he wasn't our enemy. He was the enemy of the Muslims and the Palestinian.
And what discrimination? I haven't been attacking Jews here, but rather defending them.
How can son of God be killed? remember 1 + 1 +1 =1
Ahhh. You forgot this answer already? ;)
Okay:
1. Jesus has both a Divine and a Human nature. He died in His human nature, not in His Divine Nature.
2. Even when ordinary humans "die", it is only their bodies which die, not their souls. People's souls are immortal. Jesus died in His body, but as with all other men, His soul did not die. When Jesus died, his human body perished, as ours will perish when we die.
3. Jesus did not just die. He was KILLED. And He was killed by His own permission: "No one takes my life from me; I give it up freely." Jesus would not have died had He not been killed; nor could He have been killed had He not submitted to it for our sakes.
I'm not sure where the math comes into it, but I'm glad to see you can add like a good Christian! :p
:
1. Jesus has both a Divine and a Human nature. He died in His human nature, not in His Divine Nature.
2. Even when ordinary humans "die", it is only their bodies which die, not their souls. People's souls are immortal. Jesus died in His body, but as with all other men, His soul did not die. When Jesus died, his human body perished, as ours will perish when we die.
3. Jesus did not just die. He was KILLED. And He was killed by His own permission: "No one takes my life from me; I give it up freely." Jesus would not have died had He not been killed; nor could He have been killed had He not submitted to it for our sakes.
I'm not sure where the math comes into it, but I'm glad to see you can add like a good Christian! :p
1. Does Jesus has two souls, one human and the other Devine?
2. Who took his soul?
About the math part, the logic says 1 + 1 +1 =3.
Actually the correct equation would be 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.
1. Does Jesus has two souls, one human and the other Devine?
2. Who took his soul?
About the math part, the logic says 1 + 1 +1 =3.
God in His Divine Nature has no soul. He has no parts or divisions. He is simple and pure.
God became a man, He took flesh to Himself from love of His creatures and the desire to save them. He became a real man and real men have human souls. So, Jesus has a human soul, just as He has a human body. He is fully human, with a complete human nature.
What do you mean, "Who took His soul"? I don't understand that question. He HAS a soul and a glorified Body, too. Christ reigns in Heaven, Body and Soul, at the right hand of the Father.
Logic says about separate, physical objects: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. God is not a physical object. He is a Divine Spiritual Substance Who Exists for Himself in Three Ways, in Three Persons. The Ones are not Separate Things. So, when God comes into the question there are 3 persons in 1 God. I see a Mystery. But I don't see a math problem.
Ahmad Deedat, the Muslim debater, says on one of his videos: "God is like NOTHING YOU CAN EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE!" Exactly. That's our point. Physical limitations don't apply to Him.
"Praise the Holy Trinity!
Undivided Unity!
Holy God!
Mighty God!
God Immortal, Be Adored!"
http://www.twoheartsdesign.com/images/clipart/catholic/trinity/images/trinity5.jpg
Actually the correct equation would be 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I like that comparison.
monotheism
20-02-07, 04:57 PM
It was probably some anti-semite who made the video, to make Jews look stupid.
I don't know who killed Jesus becuse I wasn't there and I consider the Christian account is totally unreliable, but I do know that he was a false prophet ( aide from being a false god) who deserved death according to Jewish law.
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.
To be accepted by the people, the false prophet would sometimes pretend to be a righteous Jew who fulfills the Law, but at key moments he would turn against certain details of the Law in order to make the breach (v. 6, 7). This is the reason that verse 1 commands us not to add or subtract any details from the Law, and verse 5 warns us to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law.
In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man.
Actually the correct equation would be 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
also 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 ;)
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11). In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.
hmm I never knew that! I read the verse you were talking about. I have no comment about it :shut:
Well, there you have it from the mouth of Monotheism! He essentially agrees with the drunken fellow in the YouTube! :p
That's okay. They don't understand.... But it's worth noting that the Jews are not always cute and cuddly!
Mr. Moslem fanatic please meet Mr. Jew fanatic.
:D
Ghost477
21-02-07, 02:10 AM
I would have punched the guy.
yasirb51
21-02-07, 02:21 AM
so...umm....basicially,this WHOLE is for us to discuss something a DRUNK+ JEWISH guy said !?
WOW i bet he will be flattered if he saw this thread ! :cute:
Jihad4Truth
21-02-07, 03:59 AM
How can son of God be killed? remember 1 + 1 +1 =1
How can an illiterate merchant write the word of God?
Why would Muhammad ascend to heaven from Jerusalem when he never set foot there and died in Medina?
How did Noah find and cram all those animals in his ark?
How does Santa Claus visit millions of homes across the world, in just one night?
How can son of God be killed? remember 1 + 1 +1 =1
I was abou the ask the same question! Anyhow, he was not killed. We Muslims believe that and I know some Christians who are also convinced now after reading some debates.
also 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 ;)
hmm I never knew that! I read the verse you were talking about. I have no comment about it :shut:
But then again, (1 x 1 x 1) - 1 = 0 right? :inno:
Well HITMAN thats some funny video to be honest. But good thing the world can see what these zionists think! At least being drunk removed their hypocrite mask.
I do know that he was a false prophet ( aide from being a false god) who deserved death according to Jewish law.
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d.
So according to the Jewish law Jesus deserved death for being a false prophet
But did the Jews kill any other messenger before Jesus?
A VERY good question!
The Old Testament mentions only Balaam and Urijah as prophets killed. The New Testament mentions John the Baptist, though it is arguable whether you can blame that on Jews.
I've always taken the "stoned the prophets" line of Jesus to refer to insult and injury, rather than execution, like: "threw stones at them". If you read it like that, there are many examples of prophets persecuted in various ways. Jeremiah in his pit springs to mind...
If you read the Old Testament, you see the Jews are always being convicted of evil and of running away from God. But neither Jews nor Christians read this as a racial indictment of the Jews, that they are worse than others. Rather, we read it as an indictment of human beings. We always manage to pervert the true Religion and make it serve ourselves. And if anyone points that out to us--that would make him a prophet in the basic meaning of the word--we turn on him like beasts!
It was probably some anti-semite who made the video, to make Jews look stupid.
... but I do know that he was a false prophet ( aide from being a false god) who deserved death according to Jewish law.
... G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.
Sounds like following Jewish "law" would be more than adequate to make any Jews look stupid - and brutal to boot. A classic combination.
Civilized and educated people these days would simply ignore people who claim to be prophets. Perhaps provide them with medication and a safe room with soft walls. But folks stoning or hanging the mentally ill in the name of their gods, and those that think that is OK, are themselves Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
Are you Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, Monotheism ?
monotheism
03-03-07, 06:17 PM
So according to the Jewish law Jesus deserved death for being a false prophet. But did the Jews kill any other messenger before Jesus?
I don't know of any false prophets executed (again, I don't know ho whe died, I wasn't there; all I stated was that he deserved death) by the Jewish court (in general the Talmud says that the death penalty was used only on extremely rare occasions, as I've mentioned elsewhere on this forum). That doesn't mean it didn't happen, as only a small number of events were chosen by the Jewish sages to be included in the Jewish canon.
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