Are these translations accurate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58

yeh they pretty are

Ok

thanks

Transaltions are acceptable. But what the man in the first video is saying is inaccurate. And of course, one needs to hear his full speech to understand better what point he is trying to make.

So if a girl was being physically abused as a child then she should be abused by her husband?

honestly he made what he wants to say pretty clear
but they DID emphasize on beating on that video though it DOES say that they do that ONLY if it was needed and not just something the husband MUST do
im a muslim and personally at this time of life if i had problems with my i would sit and talk with her in a civilized manner or even go to counseling together if its needed,thats my choice

honestly it was kinda wierd when he was like
-EAT -NO -SO HE BEATS HER
i was like "HUH !?...WHA...!?"

^ apparantly thts coz she was used to that since she was a kid.. wht the hell.

haha ... I'm married to a muslim and my husband should dare try and lift a finger on me to learn first hand what I think of this. :bored:

Aggression and mental/sexual abuse is unacceptible in a marriage. If a person truly loves you, he or she would never resort to physically or mentally hurting you.

So if a girl was being physically abused as a child then she should be abused by her husband?

Yeah that makes no sense. Even "beating children" is an issue that he needs to read about. Buts lets not judge him by this. His speech is incomplete here.

Come on sting, you know that in reality many muslims beat their kids and wives dreadfully and then look towards the Koran as some form of justification.

Now someone will pipe in with "don't judge islam by the muslim", but seriously, how else do you expect a muslim to think when his learned preacher drums this kind of BS into his head every Friday? If those who teach Islam are doing it the wrong way or teaching a warped message, using the Koran, then how on earth does anyone ever expect the "goodness" of Islam to REALLY make good people and really practise the word of God?

I can probably get the Bible and brainwash someone that feeding his enemies to the lions is ok. You can get any book, even a fictional Danielle Steel novel, and use it to brainwash people to do this or that. So, I would think that it is important to keep an eye on these people who passon the wrong message, because if they are allowed to do that, it would be no use blaming "terrorists" and "ignorant muslims" for their misguided atrocities. right?

Come on sting, you know that in reality many muslims beat their kids and wives dreadfully and then look towards the Koran as some form of justification.

Muslims are not the only people who beat their wives, Christians and Jews also do that..and then put alcohol as a justification. I don't believe this man chose his words wisely, especially when he said that women “need" to be beaten. To me that is ridiculous..no human being deserves to be beaten especially for a small reason like ignoring her husband.. what if he ignores her and goes out with his friends till after midnight..is she allowed to beat him?

I believe that Islam created men and women with equal rights even though men can be the protectors they can also be the enemies. People always say that women can't do certain things because their bodies are not strong enough to endure certain things (e.g. the job she chooses) so how come her body is strong enough to be beaten by the stronger figure? Even hitting lightly is humiliating. I would never accept my husband to hit me unless I feel like I deserved it (the only way ill see that I deserved it is if we had children and I hurt them or if I cheated on him).

Again I’m not here to argue against a rule in Islam. I’m just expressing my opinion, and I’m sure there's some misinterpretation done there.

As His Majesty said in Samayil, people often confuse Islamic religion with Islamic culture : indeed they're connected but not exactly the same.

Aggression and mental/sexual abuse is unacceptible in a marriage. If a person truly loves you, he or she would never resort to physically or mentally hurting you.

ًWhat you have mentioned above is very common in the western world like divorce rate but very rare in the muslim countries, if you don't believe me then try to search from some statistics.

People always say that women can't do certain things because their bodies are not strong enough to endure certain things (e.g. the job she chooses) so how come her body is strong enough to be beaten by the stronger figure?

A VERY trenchant question...

Maybe with many of these rules, God expects us to judge ourselves first.

How many men beat out of true concern for their wives? Vs. how many just beat to express anger or to be dominant and then justify themselves?

But St. Paul says, "Husbands love your wives the way Christ loved the Church and gave up His very life for Her, bringing Her to holiness." (Ephesians 5: 25). Can we beat and make it a part of a love so deep that we are willing to die for our wives? If we can, then we can justify ourselves. But I bet almost none of us can.

ًWhat you have mentioned above is very common in the western world like divorce rate but very rare in the muslim countries, if you don't believe me then try to search from some statistics.

I'm not sure there are statistics from Arab countries on domestic violence. Do they collect them?

But such stuff certainly goes on!

Here's famous Saudi journalist Rania al-Baz before and after her husband "corrected" her:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40225000/jpg/_40225119_rania_al_baz_203.jpg

Here's a story from a Bahraini woman:

http://web.amnesty.org/actforwomen/bhr-251106-shelteraction-eng

Less or more beating of women in marriage in Muslim countries? I don't know, but I'd love to see the statistics you suggest...

Here is a story from Gulf News about domestic marital violence in the UAE that shows it is quite common:

http://www.crescentlife.com/psychissues/innocent_victims_of_violence-uae.htm

And here are the results of a survey in Pakistan:

Setting: The study was conducted in three public sector hospitals in Rawalpindi and Islamabad, among women who were either themselves visiting or accompanying others who were visiting the Obstetrics and Gynecology Departments.

Main outcome measure: Assessment of domestic violence in marital setting.

Results: Only 7 (3.2%) out of the 216 women did not report enduring any type of domestic violence ever. Rest of the women reported enduring multiple types of violence. Being shouted or yelled at was the most frequent, while use of a weapon e.g. gun or knife was the least common type of violence reported. Among the 193 women who had been pregnant in the past, 48 (24.9%) reported that violence in general increased during pregnancy, 98 (50.8%) reported a decrease and the remaining 47(24.3%) reported no change in the violence level. Nonconsensual sex was reported by 98 (46.9%) of the women interviewed. No statistically significant association was noted between domestic violence and either living arrangements (nuclear or extended) educational and income levels of the respondents or their husband’s, and pregnancy status.



I can't get the table to reproduce here properly, but 55.9% of non-pregnant wives report being slapped, 40.3% report being punched, 39.5% report being kicked by their husbands. And the statistics are not much better when they ARE preganant!

http://www.crescentlife.com/psychstuff/is_domestic_violence_endemic_in_pakistan.htm

No, it doesn't sound "very rare in Muslim countries" to me...

I'm not saying it's rare over here either, but the "very rare in Muslim countries" sounds like nonsense to me.

These are the verses:
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in the husband's absence what Allah would have them to guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full knowledge and is acquainted with all things”. (4:34-35)

Men who beat their wives like in that article Jeff provided above can not justify their sick conduct by what Islam has taught them.
Because Islam did not allow for men to beat their wives in such a way.

And btw whoever read the article, the husband does not even fit the description provided by the verse above of what a muslim husband should be and what he must do.
“I was really hurt by my husband -- he used to beat me up and once he raped me. He took drugs and stole from the house. He didn’t work, didn’t provide money to the family and didn’t treat me wife or the children well”.
Evidently, he is not following the Islamic teachings, so you can not say his misconduct (of beating her) was because of our religion.

Brutally beating the wives and causing bruises to their bodies is prohibited in Islam.

“Islam gives respect to dignity of the individual, Prophet Mohammad forbad striking on the face for anyone, even slaves, because it is mere humiliation”.
It is not permissible to strike anyone's face or any sensitive part or cause bodily harm.
In a hadith, the Prophet Mohammed mentioned ‘dharban ghayra mubarrih’ which is interpreted as light beating or tapping that leaves no mark.

The authority is limited in harshness as well as in circumstances.
Force is applied only when sin against Allah Ta'alah (masiyah) is feared.
Nushuz, disobedience, or ill- conduct.
Something significant and very serious, not any simple and silly thing like she burned dinner. Only as a last resort as we are clearly told in the verse 4:34.
When it is necessary and is certain or highly likely to help/solve the situation/problem.

'Aishah was reported as saying, 'The Prophet (pbuh) never beat any of his wives or servants; in fact, he did not strike anything with his hand except in the cause of Allah or when the prohibitions of Allah were violated, and he retaliated on behalf of Allah.'

"It was reported to the Prophet (pbuh) that some of his Companions beat their wives, whereupon he said, 'Certainly those are not the best among you [as reported by Ahmad, Abu Daoud, and al-Nisai. Ibn Hibban and Al-Hakim classify it as sound, as narrated by Iyas ibn 'Abdullah ibn Abu Dhiab].'

http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sr&ID=SR2704

Twinky, why not post the COMPLETE memri link instead of just cherry picking the stuff you like ?

Aren't we back to the same old saying:
When you want to study Islam, study the Qura'an and the Sunna, not the Muslims!

Such people who claim that they did this with Godly support are sick and deserve the maxmimum punishment!

Twinky, why not post the COMPLETE memri link instead of just cherry picking the stuff you like ?

:D

The report is too long
If you read it you would know that it is all repeated anyway.
It says almost the same things over and over but from different sources.
I posted what I thought were the main points.
I provided the link haven’t I, anyone’s welcome to read the whole thing if they wish to. So even if you still believe I was 'cherry picking’ there would be no point in me doing so since the link is right there.
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