Do you personally consider piracy a crime?

I seriously don't know..

When it comes to movies, I'd rather save up and buy the real thing, and not be ripped off by crooked traders selling pirate DVDs from the car boot!
Lots of countries consider it a crime to buy pirate DVDs, how buying pirate DVDs results in funding criminal gangs..

In the UK the message is clear: buy a pirate copy and you not only risk disappointment from a poor quality copy but you may also be unwittingly supporting crime in your area... :hmm:

When it comes to music though... I download it so welcomingly! lol if that's a word!

But seriously, most of the times, and when you can afford it, buying the real deal is so much better.. :)

^agreed
we tend to try to save as much as we can but it IS better to get the ream thing when we can since after we get what we pay for

Well I'll post something I wrote off another forum. It mostly consists of games though..

Ahem

Ah piracy.. what can I say about it... I'm somewhere in between. It helps those who greatly need it and is a great tool used by thieves in the market. See, I've always believed that games shouldn't be pirated and that I always buy my games (and because of my limited budget, I read reviews or watch videos of the game and buy it) no matter what.

I hail from the Almighty (not really :p) Grand nation of Egypt.....where they like to confiscate or censor media... CD's that are sold locally are censored when it comes to talk about swear words or some political figure. Movies played in the cinema are usually re-edited and censored with anything about insults or sex and the like. Movies that may influence people to break the law or just goes "against the islamic values" (movies such as the fast and the furious or car stuff... heck they even banned the matrix reloaded) are banned immediately.

Should a person arrive in Egypt and they found the person carrying DVD's, they confiscate them and review it and decide whether its "worthy" to be seen by you or not and then they either destroy them or auction them (depending on material) to local stores or some other electronics store where they sell the DVD for triple the price or even more! Portable consoles such as the DS and the PSP are worth $300 and $500.. and the games well lets just say they cost more than home console games sold in the US.

Videogame consoles only exist here if they're capable of being easily pirated and because of that the only home console available right now is the ps2.. which exists for that crappy soccer game Winning 11 (okay its not crappy but imagine having everyone you know buy the console just for THAT game and that game alone... no GTA or final fantasy or anything else). With the Nex gen consoles looming for us, so far the xbox 360 core model is sold for $877 while the ps3 is being sold for $1000 (20 gb) and $1600 (60 gb).. and the sad thing is they have no plans on selling any nintendo products.. (they're starting to sell some ds games but the poor ones like picto chat or polarium) but should I ask for DS games they're like "you know it can play GBA games right?" or "Why don't you buy a psp instead?" and I just stand there feeling somehow insulted >_>

So then you have Video game stores selling pirated copies of PC/PS2/GBA games claiming their games are perfectly legal and with that they increase the price...


So what does one do in such a sad country like this? You pretty much have no choice but to download movies/music or games.. I believe piracy is useful as long as it isn't being used to con and fool people and sell it to them.
While I travel to the US/Canada, I do buy the movies that I have downloaded.. sort of a thank you for producing such quality titles Most of the games I buy are nintendo games and rarely do I buy pc games (half life and C&C games).. I don't really download music over there as I just rely on my friends and share with them the media stuff..


and thats all I have to say about it :D

wow its even tougher in egypt ! :p
and yeh MK WINNING ELEVEN SUX BALLS

i agree with BM about the quality, though most of the time i download movies with good quality... lucky me ^^
anyway to answer the question... i'll say no cause it's just musics and movies we aren't doing any 'crimes' :rolleyes:

without a doubt piracy is WRONG but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a crime. I personally and as a student with a budget depend on piracy when it comes to Movies and music because I simply cannot afford to buy an original copy of every single movie I feel like watching, or every single music album I want to listen to because they are extremely over priced in this country. I never downloaded music b4 I came here and actually own over 300 original music albums back at home but because they're over priced in Jordan I had to settle for music downloads.

The price of a pirated DVD is around 1 dinar and sometimes even less while the price of an original dvd is betweem 17 - 20 Dinars , so I can basically watch 20 movies instead of 1 single original movie, yes the quality of the original is better, yes you guarantee that it will last a lifetime..but I don't really care about all that at this point, all I want is to get my 2 hours of entertainment and move on to the next thing.

When it comes to games however I always get the real thing, and as I said many times I plan on replacing all the music album downloads I really liked with original copies once I can afford to do so because despite everything I prefer having the real thing.

without a doubt piracy is WRONG but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a crime. I personally and as a student with a budget depend on piracy when it comes to Movies and music because I simply cannot afford to buy an original copy of every single movie I feel like watching, or every single music album I want to listen to because they are extremely over priced in this country. I never downloaded music b4 I came here and actually own over 300 original music albums back at home but because they're over priced in Jordan I had to settle for music downloads.

The price of a pirated DVD is around 1 dinar and sometimes even less while the price of an original dvd is betweem 17 - 20 Dinars , so I can basically watch 20 movies instead of 1 single original movie, yes the quality of the original is better, yes you guarantee that it will last a lifetime..but I don't really care about all that at this point, all I want is to get my 2 hours of entertainment and move on to the next thing.

When it comes to games however I always get the real thing, and as I said many times I plan on replacing all the music album downloads I really liked with original copies once I can afford to do so because despite everything I prefer having the real thing.Duhh it IS a crime, if you can't afford the sh**, don't buy it. Whether it's music, movie,s videogames...etc. It is a crime to also make a business out of it, and even buy it. Unless you initially bought it, and would like to have copy, then it's all good

I guess the argument about buying pirated software or movies goes around what are you buying. When buying a software, you are not buying something that is physical and you can touch it (its a computer program). Some people think, why pay $$$$ for something that I cannot see? Plus the fact that these things are easily copied makes it even more convienent to copy a cd for $ cents instead of paying a $100 plus for a software. They fail to value the efforts spent by the creator of the product, a software or a movie that is.

It is a crime, I would never want my product to be copied and sold for cents while I spent years building it.

Duhh it IS a crime, if you can't afford the sh**, don't buy it. Whether it's music, movie,s videogames...etc. It is a crime to also make a business out of it, and even buy it. Unless you initially bought it, and would like to have copy, then it's all good

My argument is that considering the large black market in the middle east, people try to rip others off with copied games, movies and music. And if you want to buy the "original" stuff from here, good luck with that.. I remember buying "The eminem show" on cassette and I virtually can't listen to anything due to it being constantly censored... Not only that but 2 songs were taken off the cassette!

So you have both the government and the blackmarket trying to rip consumers off with terribly overpriced copies one of which is censored.. What is one to do in such a place? Download! Besides if you do in the end decide to buy it then where is the harm?

Movie Piracy - It's a crime

In my opinion, why most don't care whether it is a crime or not is because:

We get away with it

Piracy is a crime but not in the 3rd world were a man gets a salary of 60 $ / Per month! You want to enjoy technology fine, the poor also have souls that needs to enjoy! Provide the poor with a way to gain legal copies without dying from starvation, then jail them if they pirated after that!

It is unfair to break the law...True, and it is also unfair not to support those who ant to follow it!

Piracy is not a crime!!!

I don't think that it is a crime that we USE these CDs, I find it better saying that the people who SELL these DVD's are the real criminals.. I'm talking here about the vid posted by Hitman.. It says that we steal the movies by buying them from those people who copy.. Nope, I don't think so..

i believe that their prices are not very reasonable
i mean yeh there are movies that i wouldnt mind paying alot to get and add to my collection but some i just want to watch them once n thats it

Its not a crime since I benefit from it :D

Piracy is a crime, but it is a "Robbin Hood" crime. The people who cannot afford any will be able to enjoy what they love and the companies still benifit somehow!:think:

If I stole 4 million dollars from Donald Trump, he wouldn't notice!

My argument is that considering the large black market in the middle east, people try to rip others off with copied games, movies and music. And if you want to buy the "original" stuff from here, good luck with that.. I remember buying "The eminem show" on cassette and I virtually can't listen to anything due to it being constantly censored... Not only that but 2 songs were taken off the cassette!

So you have both the government and the blackmarket trying to rip consumers off with terribly overpriced copies one of which is censored.. What is one to do in such a place? Download! Besides if you do in the end decide to buy it then where is the harm?Like I said, if you can't handle the overpricing...then that doesn't give you the right to pirate/steal whatsoever. Now that you have purchased an original, and the content wasn't satisfactory because some of it has been stripped down...then like I said...you meant to buy the original, therefore...it's okay to get a pirated "spare" copy.

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It's simply logic everyone...it isn't rocket science. Just many idiots don't seem to ge,t it.

I pirate most of my software. Why? Because I can't afford to purchase it all...even though i don't have the right to so. I am commiting a crime, but I'm not feeling bad about it because everyone does the same and we all get away with it...easily.

Piracy to me is like buying stolen property, not stealing. Honestly, if people want to avoid piracy, they should of decrease the price in the first place. Since it's expensive, they can kiss my glorious golden as*.

Like I said, if you can't handle the overpricing...then that doesn't give you the right to pirate/steal whatsoever. Now that you have purchased an original, and the content wasn't satisfactory because some of it has been stripped down...then like I said...you meant to buy the original, therefore...it's okay to get a pirated "spare" copy.

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It's simply logic everyone...it isn't rocket science. Just many idiots don't seem to ge,t it.

I pirate most of my software. Why? Because I can't afford to purchase it all...even though i don't have the right to so. I am commiting a crime, but I'm not feeling bad about it because everyone does the same and we all get away with it...easily.


This type of logic however is only applicable in the nations where the product gets actually stolen (the western nations).. In places such as the middle east however, when you buy censored songs, it is most probable that the government buys a few original copies and then edits and censors them out to be sold in retail. Thus people who buy such products are sold stolen material. Aside from that, all the money that you pay for stores here to buy any of their products goes to the retailers themselves, not the record and movie companies. Even if they were originals, I can guarantee you that the profit goes to the retailers. So even if you become a "law abiding person", you're buying stolen goods that which none of the creators take any benefits from them. Which is why I buy the original products in western countries than the middle east.

Many countries consider if a crime, which I can understand it

Personlly I think it is a bad thing and wrong that we shouldn't do it, as long as we can buy the original, but as many said, many are with limit budget and some don't care alot about the quality, or keeping if for lifetime, it is just the couple of hours and you most of the time won't see/listen to it again so why !

Piracy to me is like buying stolen property, not stealing. Honestly, if people want to avoid piracy, they should of decrease the price in the first place. Since it's expensive, they can kiss my glorious golden as*.

YES, THAT IS THE SENTENCE, "Piracy is like buying stolen property, not stealing"

Piracy in general is a crime if the project involves excessive capital and intellectual property like in Software for example.

But sometimes the producer of the media item abuse the concept, my friend attended a lesson in a mosque, before the lesson they announced in the mic that Company X has reserved the right of producing this lesson and any other recording is an act of piracy which is Haram. That is bull$***, I do not consider copying a CD of Quran produced from a Tarawih prayer as piracy, the producer got the money of the CD and for the effort of recording.
Also I do not sympathize with a company that sell a CD for hundreds of dollars and keep gaining in royalties forever, after a period of time has elapsed, the product should be released to the public just like invention patents, after 20 years or so, the inventor will no longer keep the right to his invention from other manufacturer.

So my answer: I can’t say

Some music is just not in the markets...You wanna listen to it, you gotta find a way of doing so. In that context, I don't know...Does that explain piracy? Maybe. Movies...I don't know. Usually, I never download or get cheap DVDs...And I always buy new books. So what's left :D?

^^ I think the music industry is the most effected from Piracy?

^I would think so...
No one bothers with CDs nowadays...LimeWire does it all.

mmmm not realli sure....but look at it this way...Someone takes his time,money and efforts to make something for himself and the public and of course expects something in return right? but well... he dosent:hmm: . Its like you go to rent a room in a house but u run away and never pay the landlord.....isnt that stealing:think:

So piracy is a lawful crime for many

^I would think so...
No one bothers with CDs nowadays...LimeWire does it all.

even without LIMEWIRE
CDs are pretty much "LEGALLY" dead thanx to iTunes !

Piracy according to law is a crime and that's that. There's no using arguing about the cost, if you don't have the money it's simple you don't buy it.

I downloa pirated software myself, but I don't try to justify my actions because there is none.

And people still do bother with CDs nowadays there's no substitute for the feeling of ripping off the plastic covering and holding the album booklet in your hands, just because of a few p2p programmes and iTunes, does not mean the death of the CD, it's just here in the middle east that no one bothers with it.

It is a crime, But we do it anyway...:p

cant realy say...........
in term of movies... i never buy CD... pirated nor original coz i prefer watching it in the cinema...........

in terms of songs........ i always get them downloaded from the net like the majority of the ppl whom listen 2 songs !!

can't really say, most of people agreed that it is a crime, we still download pirated programs :os
nobody hates getting things for free :p

Of course it's a crime
and we're all criminals :p

nobody hates getting things for free

Yes, best things in life are free :super:

piracy fo lyfe yo!

If you won't take it from me, then at least take it from this hacking legend!

Ramzi teh h4c|<3r

Piracy is like stealing, so it can be considered as a crime. Though to me I like getting the original stuff, going for online downloading is the last option, & I talk more about these stuff being unavailable in the market here.

piracy fo lyfe yo!

If you won't take it from me, then at least take it from this hacking legend!

Ramzi teh h4c|<3r


nice
your older than i thought ! :cute:

Fatwa of His Eminence Ayatullah Sayyid Ali al Sistani:

Question: What is the ruling on copying computer software, movies, audio CDs and other such things, which bear the wording “All Rights Reserved” or “Copyright”? Does this rule apply equally to Muslim made products and those made by non-Muslim individuals or companies?

Answer: Copyrights must be respected; it is not permissible to copy a software product, if it is against the law.


2 Question: A lot of Islamic books and software have copyrights on them. What is the Islamic view of copyrights? If I photocopy a book or duplicate a CD with a copyright am I doing a sin?Answer: Copying or duplicating a book or software without their owner's permission is not permissible.