Proof From The Bible...Prophet Mohammad Was Expected To Come!

[Haroundb]

[18] "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
[Deuteronomy 18:18]

History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age when he was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed was terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues. Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:


"Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created[1] Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood[2] Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful[3] He Who taught (the use of) the pen[4] Taught man that which he knew not[5]."
(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

Now When you put words into someone's mouth, what are you doing actually? You are teaching him? This is how Allah did put His words in the mouth of prophet Muhammad. The striking fact is that prophet Muhammad is NOT LEARNED! So this is "EXACTLY" applicable to him. Allah did put his words in the mouth of prohet mohammad, which is Quran, since prophet Muhammad was not taught by anyone before. So Allah commanded him to "READ" not in the sense of reading, but in the sense of proclaim, that Allah knew sure that prophet Mohammad doesn't read!

[12] And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
[Isaiah 29:12]

I don't know what to say more!! The above verse is from the King James Bible, Old Testament. This is exactly what happened to prophet Muhammad in "Ghar Heraa" while he was sitting in a cave in the mountain near Mecca. I have mentioned up:

[19] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
[Deuteronomy 18:19]

The first verse in Sura Al-Fatiha or the 'opening' is; 'In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful'[Holy Qur'an 1:1]. This is the first of the first of whatever mentioned in the Holy Book of Quran, and the sura "chapter" that we read in every prayer. All the suras of Quran (with no exception starts with the same statement 'In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful', the only prophet who's speaking literarily "ln the name of God" "unto my words which he shall speak in my name" [Deuteronomy 18:19]! :


"In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful'
"In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful[1] Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds[2] Most Gracious, Most Merciful [3] Master of the Day of Judgment[4] Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.[5] Show us the straight way,[6] The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.[7]
[Holy Qur'an 1:1-7]


"In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful'
"Say: He is Allah, the One and Only[1] Allah, the Eternal[2] Absolute[3] He begetteth not, nor is He begotten[4] And there is none like unto Him[5]"
[Holy Qur'an 112:1-5]


'In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful'
"To thee have We granted the Fount (of Abundance).[1] Therefore to thy Lord turn in Prayer and Sacrifice.[2] For he who hateth thee, he will be cut off (from Future Hope).[3]"
[Holy Qur'an 108:1-3]

Source thread:
Friendly Debate...Why Christians Don't Want To Talk About It? (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41686)

[Haroundb]

Our brother Christians give different explanations for the "very obvious text", it is up to everyone to believe that he wants. So this post is in the Islamic sabla for Muslim members to read and remember. Strengthen your faith brothers, we are on the right path.

Request: Please dear mods, make this thread sticky, we need it there for a long time.

Thanks.

[wudjab]

Quoting the Quran as evidence is not proof, because it means nothing to non moslems.

[Scorpio27]

Is Muhammad Foretold in the Bible?

Try reading the work please.

TARGET : by John Gilchrist (http://answering-islam.org.uk/Gilchrist/muhammad.html)


During 1975 Ahmed Deedat held a series of lectures at the Durban City Hall, two of which set out to prove that Muhammad is foretold in the Bible. The first lecture, entitled "What the Bible Says About Muhammad", dealt with the prophecy in Deuteronomy 18.18 in the Old Testament, and in it Mr. Deedat sought to show that Moses was predicting the coming of Muhammad when speaking of a prophet to follow him who would be like him. During 1976 Mr. Deedat published this lecture in booklet form under the same title. In his second lecture in 1975 he spoke on "Muhammad the Natural Successor to Christ" and here he endeavoured to prove that Jesus was foretelling the coming of Muhammad when he exhorted his disciples to wait for the coming of the one he called the Comforter who, he said, would follow him.

Deedat's lectures were typical of numerous similar attempts that have been made by Muslim writers over the years to make these two particular prophecies fit Muhammad. The effort has generally arisen from a verse in the Qur'an which states that the coming of Muhammad was foretold in the Jewish and the Christian Scriptures. It reads:


Those who follow the Apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) - in the Law and the Gospel.
Surah 7.157
:sunsmile:

[Hotlink 017]

Islam determind every single thing in a humanbeen life even how to reply to any if he dont want to listen give me any religion have the full solution for any case ANY!!

[Storm]

Enjoy mature discussion :)

[monotheism]

I find it quite odd that you quote a book whose legitimacy you reject to "prove" your religion.

[wudjab]

It's not corrupted when it agrees with their theology.

It's corrupted when it doesn't.

Kind of like having your cake and eating it too.

:D

[Snooky]

It's corrupted to us we are hypocrite agree with what we like and leave what we dont. What about you? Do you also agree with what you like and dissagree with that you dont in the Bible? Quoting the Quran means nothing to you, you are non-muslim, ok. What about the very first quote above from your religious book?

I do not understand why no one from the other side talks about this while referring directly.

[monotheism]

What about you? Do you also agree with what you like and dissagree with that you dont in the Bible? What about the very first quote above from your religious book?

No, I accept everything in the Hebrew Scripture, which is the living Word of the Creator. As for the verse mentioned in the 1st post above, Haroundb has rehashed this question from another thread. I fail to understand how it is reasonable that he asks me a question, I answer his question, he says nothing in response, but then goes and starts another thread on the topic using that same text, as if the question hadn't already been asked and answered??


My answer is here. (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showpost.php?p=651676&postcount=43) This post is also related. (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showpost.php?p=682150&postcount=73)

[liberty]

It is interesting that Christians and Jews feel as being brothers and sisters, but neither feel that way about Muslims.

Islam is a whole different deal. Not directly related to either Christianity or Judaism.

[Black Lolly]

It is interesting that Christians and Jews feel as being brothers and sisters, but neither feel that way about Muslims.

Yeah...very :rolleyes:

[Snooky]

Maybe becuase you are starting that attitude. It is going very good with my non-muslim friends, they are feeling the same too. What I understood from your answer is that it is mentioned a prophet speaking words of God is going to come, but you do not beleive it is ours. I am sorry, my knowledge of the current Bible is very limited, but we beleieve that it was mentioned in the Bible (or Torah cannot remember) that a prophet whose name is Ahmed is going to come later, whic another name of our prohpet Mohammed (PBUH).

You did say it was mentioned you beleive another prophet was expected.

[monotheism]

It is interesting that Christians and Jews feel as being brothers and sisters
Yeah, feelings ofprofound brotherlihood to those who slew Jews en masse (http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_45_-_The_Crusades.asp) for many centuries. :rolleyes:

Snooky, did you read the post I linked to in my lost post?

[Jeff]

It is interesting that Christians and Jews feel as being brothers and sisters, but neither feel that way about Muslims.

Islam is a whole different deal. Not directly related to either Christianity or Judaism.

Many Christians do feel that way about Muslims. Including me.

The Second Vatican Council gives a whole list of similarity and proclaims that the Catholic Church therefore "esteems the Muslims." I esteem them.

[wudjab]

You should probably speak only for yourself Jeff.

[Jeff]

Well, the Council speaks for all Catholics, including you.

And the fact remains that many Christians I know feel brotherhood toward the Muslims and express it. And it is reciprocated.

So why should I be forbidden to say those things?

[STING]

Quoting the Quran as evidence is not proof, because it means nothing to non moslems.

Deuteronomy and Isaiah are The Holy Qur'an? They mean nothing to you?

:os

I am confused now! Are you an atheist?

[STING]

It's not corrupted when it agrees with their theology.

It's corrupted when it doesn't.

Kind of like having your cake and eating it too.

:D


On the other hand, its ignored when it asks you to do/believe in things you don't want to do/believe but its right otherwise!?

If Muslims say that the Bible has been modified you translate that into "corrupted"?

Anyhow, lets not argue about what Muslims think about the Bible. I ask you now, if we all were to follow the Bible, should we not follow Prophet Muhammad :PBUH: as the verses from the bibles above indicate?

Do you believe in the bible? Then why not follow these verses?

[STING]

Well, the Council speaks for all Catholics, including you.

And the fact remains that many Christians I know feel brotherhood toward the Muslims and express it. And it is reciprocated.

So why should I be forbidden to say those things?

Jeff, thanks once again for being honest. I think you should open some thread educating the Christians on this forum about how the Council for Catholics ask the Christians to behave with such issues.

I am getting sick of the whole Dhimmi vs. Dummy issue :p

[Jeff]

Thanks, Brother STING! ;-)

[liberty]

To my knowledge, there is no such thing as the "Council of Catholics", and if there is such a thing, it has no Catholic authority at all.

Jeff, we agree in our faith in Jesus Christ and in the Word and in our marvelous Roman Catholic faith.

We also agree that Omanis are wonderful people. . I love Omanis. And not like Bwana, but as equals. I will always carry a high opinion of the Omani people, and tell others about them.

But there is a very sharp distinction between Christianity and Islam. Muslims are taught that they are compatible, theologically, yet Mohammed had Christians murdered for their faith (and Jews as well).

Read about who and what Mohammed really was, and compare him to Jesus, the Son of God. it's like comparing a protazoa to a human being. Maybe a too poor analogy, but I know Jesus, and Mohhamed is no Jesus.

[Jeff]

To my knowledge, there is no such thing as the "Council of Catholics" :omg: , and if there is such a thing, it has no Catholic authority at all. :omg: :p :no: :help:

Jeff, we agree in our faith in Jesus Christ and in the Word and in our marvelous Roman Catholic faith.

We also agree that Omanis are wonderful people. . I love Omanis. And not like Bwana, but as equals. I will always carry a high opinion of the Omani people, and tell others about them.

But there is a very sharp distinction between Christianity and Islam. Muslims are taught that they are compatible, theologically, yet Mohammed had Christians murdered for their faith (and Jews as well).

Read about who and what Mohammed really was, and compare him to Jesus, the Son of God. it's like comparing a protazoa to a human being. Maybe a too poor analogy, but I know Jesus, and Mohhamed is no Jesus.
The emoticons were added by me for effect! :D

Eh? You've never heard of an Ecumenical Council?

Who do you think defined the nature of Christ's divinity? The Council of Nicaea. Who do you think defined that justification involves good works as well as faith? The Council of Trent. Who do you think defined the POPE's infallibility on matters of faith and morals? The First Vatican Council.

This is from the classic Catholic Encyclopedia:


"All the arguments which go to prove the infallibility of the Church apply with their fullest force to the infallible authority of general councils in union with the pope. For conciliary decisions are the ripe fruit of the total life-energy of the teaching Church actuated and directed by the Holy Ghost."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04423f.htm

Here's a quote from the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, paragraph 23:


"The supreme power in the universal Church, which this college [that means the Second Vatican Council itself] enjoys, is exercised in a solemn way in an ecumenical council. A council is never ecumenical unless it is confirmed or at least accepted as such by the successor of Peter; and it is prerogative of the Roman Pontiff to convoke these councils, to preside over them and to confirm them." (Which was done for the Second Vatican Council by Blessed John XXIII and Pope Paul VI.)

And what do we owe to the teaching of a General Council of the Bishops of the Catholic Church?

From paragraph 25 of that same Dogmatic Constitution:


"In matters of faith and morals, the bishops speak in the name of Christ and the faithful are to accept their teaching and adhere to it with a religious assent." (No ifs ands or buts!)

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html
Please note that this is the Vatican website itself.

And what does the same Council teach us about the Muslims?

From paragraph 3 of Nostra Aetate from the same Council:


"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom."

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

Catechism review time, man! Sheesh! Like I said, the Second Vatican Council speaks for all Catholics, including you, Liberty.

And I've read all about Islam and Mohammed from many sources: from Islamic sources to anti-Islamic including those who criticize Islam most strongly. I've read deeply in Ali Sina and Ibn Warraq and Serge Trifkovic and my good friend from college Bob Spencer (all of whose books I own) and whom I respect, so I know all the stuff you are talking about. I bet I know all about their ideas better than you do.

But don't blame me if I follow the Roman Catholic Church and show esteem (means 'respect' and 'prizing') to my friends, the Muslims here in Sabla.

[liberty]

But don't blame me if I follow the Roman Catholic Church and show esteem (means 'respect' and 'prizing') to my friends, the Muslims here in Sabla.


And don't blame me if I see the big geographic and civilizational picture.

I respect my friends at Sabla, but I also know that many thousands of Muslims would love to cut off my head for being a Christian. Jeff, that is a fact! They would happily behead you as well. All in the name of Allah.

So I suggest some refining about what we esteem. I do not esteem Islam, but I do esteem some Muslim friends.

I would like to esteem this board, but I cannot because posts mysteriously disappear. This board is kind of like the Twilight Zone.

[Haroundb]

I respect my friends at Sabla, but I also know that many thousands of Muslims would love to cut off my head for being a Christian. Jeff, that is a fact! They would happily behead you as well. All in the name of Allah.


You missed something liberty, we also eat crocodiles in lunch and we use camels for transportation. I think you found no way is effective to bend Jeff's mind about Islam. You now scaring the man to convince him quit his noble ideas. That is weakness from your part. No one wants to cut your head, this is what your authorities in the US wants you to belive. This is the media at its top destruction.

Fool who have beheaded other human beings no matter their religion is are just either agents of the "faulty power", or stupid bastards who just act blindly on any word of stupid mouth.

Liberty, please quit spoiling people's mind with your ill image of beheading and terrorism sense terrorism doesn't have a religion. Either you like what I say or not it is up to you, and sure it seems that the "Twilight Zone" is just a synonymous to the "Silly Western Mentality" many like you possess.

[IceTea]

Interesting information and it's clear that prophet Mohammed pbuh mentioned either by the name Mohammed, Ahmed or sometimes he is described in ways that can only apply to him.



Question:
What sort of references can I use to confirm that what GOD intended as regards His will, and that His will has been changed by christian scribes/translators? Also, if you could tell me where in the Bible it speaks of the Prophet Muhammad, does it mention his name or it is symbolic?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Allaah says in His Book (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’”

[al-Saff 61:6]

“Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad) whom they find written with them in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)— he commands them for Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At-Tayyibaat (i.e. all good and lawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khabaa’ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allaah’s Covenant with the children of Israel), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad), honour him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur’aan) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful”

[al-A’raaf 7:157]

These two verses indicate that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel (the Bible), no matter how much the Jews and Christians claim that he is not, for the word of Allaah is the best and most truthful of words.

Some of the things mentioned in the previous Books are as follows:

1 – In the Torah, in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18-19 it says:

“I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.”

(New International Version)

This text is still extant among them. With regard to the phrase “from among their brothers” – if that prophet were to be from among the Children of Israel, it would have said, “I will raise up for them a prophet from among them.” But it says “from among their brothers” – i.e., from among the sons of Ismaa’eel (Ishamel).

Secondly, it says in the Gospel of John 16:6-8, 12-13:

“It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor [Paraclete] will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin…

I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.”

(New International Version)

This cannot apply to anyone except the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Secondly: Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It says in the Torah, in the fifth book [Deuteronomy 33:2]:

“The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes [or: from his right hand went a fiery law for them].”

(New International Version; alternative version of last phrase – the meaning of which is unclear in the original Hebrew texts – is from the King James Version)

This refers to the three Prophethoods: the Prophethood of Moosa (Moses), the Prophethood of ‘Eesa (Jesus) and the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). “Coming from Sinai” refers to the mountain where Allaah spoke to Moosa and called him and told him he was a Prophet. “Dawning over them from Seir” refers to the appearance of the Messiah from Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem). Seir is a village that is still known there to this day. So this was a foretelling of the Prophethood of the Messiah.

“Paran” refers to Makkah. Allaah likens the Prophethood of Moosa to the coming of the dawn, and the Prophethood of the Messiah after him to the rising of the sun, and the Prophethood of the Seal of the Prophets to the sun rising high in the sky and its light reaching all over the earth. And it came to pass exactly as foretold, for Allaah dispelled the night of kufr with the Prophethood of Moosa, and the light increased with the Prophethood of the Messiah, and was completed and reached everywhere on earth with the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). These three Prophets who were mentioned in this foretelling were also mentioned in the beginning of Soorat al-Teen (interpretation of the meaning):

“By the fig, and the olive.

2. By Mount Sinai.

3. By this city of security (Makkah)”

[al-Teen 95:1-3]

End quote. See Hidaayat al-Hayaara, p. 110; and Ibn al-Qayyim’s comments on the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 33:1.

Fourthly: Shaykh ‘Abd al-Majeed al-Zandaani said in his book al-Bishaaraat bi Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) fi’l-Kutub al-Samawiyyah al-Saabiqah that in the 22nd chapter of the Gospel of Barnabas it says:

“And this will continue until there comes Muhammad the Messenger of God who, when he comes, will expose this deceit to those who believe in the laws of God.”

And it says in the Book of Isaiah:

“I have made your name Muhammad O Muhammad, O beloved of the Lord, your name will abide forever.”

And it says in the Book of Isaiah:

“What I have given to him I will not give to anyone else: Ahmad, because he praises God and this praise comes from the best part of the earth, and this will bring joy to mankind and they will recite the word of divine unity on every hill and glorify God in every high place.”

Many scholars have mentioned the places in the Bible where the name of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is mentioned. Sometimes his name is mentioned clearly, and sometimes he is described in ways that can only apply to him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

You should note that the books of the Bible as they exist today have been altered and changed. This fact has been stated by non-Muslim historians, but despite all that we still find in the Bible the foretelling of the coming of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Shaykh Rahmat-Allaah al-Hindi stated that every time the Christians were able to change something they did so, hence you will find that some of the ancient scholars quote passages from the Bible that no longer exist. But there are still other passages that foretell the Prophethood of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his coming.

It should be noted that we have to arm ourselves with adequate sound knowledge in order to debate with the Christians, because even if they have no proof, they will still try to sow the seeds of doubt in people’s hearts so that they will give in to these wrong ideas and so that the truth will be concealed. “But Allaah will bring His Light to perfection even though the disbelievers hate (it)” [al-Saff 61:8 – interpretation of the meaning].