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tarshiy2k
08-10-00, 10:57 PM
Hi, I would like to share with you a copy of this e-mail letter that I have sent to some international human rights groups expressing my deep disatisfaction and anger about the in-human marriage restriction that we have here in Oman. I would like to hear your thoughts.
Dear Sir,
This case may not be one of the serious cases you are dealing with. But for me and for thousands of my fellow citizens in Oman it is very serious. May be you already know about this, may be you don’t. It is not about torture, it is not about prisons, it is not about killing innocent people, it’s about a completely different thing; something which effect the entire life of a person. We in Oman have one of the most stupid and oppressing laws in the entire world.
No one can marry from outside Oman. If you are a man and love a non-Omani woman or a woman and love a non-Omani guy then you won’t be able to marry him/her under the current law. Isn’t this an abuse to one of the basic human rights?
I’m in love with an Egyptian girl and we would love to get married but we can’t. I have to get permission from the ministry of interior, which is impossible, because 99.99% of the cases are rejected; you either have to be an old man!! or a disabled person. But what about people who fall in love with each other and think their life wouldn’t be the same if they don’t get married to the person they love to death? What can they do? What will be their future? How will their lives be?
The other thing with this oppressing law is that if someone gets married with a person from outside Oman without getting the permission; his/her citizenship will be taken away from him/her (and therefore his/her passport) and he/she wouldn’t be allowed to work in Oman, and if they have children they wouldn’t know to which country they belong.
This is a truly serious human right case and thousands of people are suffering from this oppressing law, but unfortunately nothing we can do about it in a country such as Oman and we feel that humanrights groups such as your self could play a big role in trying to change such law by applying pressure on the Omani government. You and other humanrights groups are our only hope. Something has to be done or thousands of hearts will be broken and thousands of lives will be destroyed.
A.h
OMAN
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tarshi
did you really send the letter to human rights organization? MORE POWER to you man....
all i can say is keep trying at the ministry , they only want to see that you are serious about the marriage , in the past many of our fathers and uncles used to go to india or pakistan , egypt etc.... and marry woman from there and bring them here , few years later they would desert them , and then these woman would turn to thier embassies for financial assistance ... and thats when all the problems started.
so be patient , it will be no good to get on thier bad side , just keep going there and persisting.
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That's right. I believe that the Law will change at some point and it's great that you're doing so much to show how much you do care about this situation. That's love for you.
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7ashaash
09-10-00, 08:57 AM
tarshiy2k
Iswear wallah I know a guy got maried from a foriegner because he know one of the royal family member who spoke with the minester and got permit.
eli 7alale 3alehom howa 3aleena 7aram.
3yonena sahrana we 3oyonohom be tenam.
Wala 7ala why it's not the same for all.
why even marrage is prohebited.
tarshiy2k
leave the country and marry her wala ( mesr um el donia )stay there with your lover man.
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7ashaash laken sa7i
HATE_QOOM_LOOT
09-10-00, 10:11 AM
tarshiy2k
I support what you did by writting to the human rights organization.
I hope this will ended my a marrage.
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I LOVE YOU ALL BUT NOT THE GAY'S
The_Unscrupulous
10-10-00, 12:29 AM
Well before running into any comments or opninions we need to know why did this decree took place in the first place.
I guess the major reason was to prevent many social problems which arrised from having so many bachelor females in Oman. Even if you recall, this decree was followed by another one for stating the dowry to be R.O. 2000.
Now, do people stick to that amount??? NO. My friend got married and payed R.O. 20,000 as dowry!!!!!!
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"The Despotic"
7ashaash
10-10-00, 08:21 AM
If the goverment allow merrage from foreigners the (maher) merrage price will decrease because there will be ( monafasa ) and parents will recognise if they want high mahar the boy will not marry her ( but the poor girls will pay the price )(meskenat,, yeta3anaso),this may be one solution ,,may be.
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7ashaash laken sa7i
Please read this reply which was posted somewhere else in the web as a reply to the same topic. Hope you find it intresting and hope the author of the reply (SOLO, as he called him self) wouldn't mind me sending his reply to this sablah.
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REPLY START HERE:
"I would like to add my voice to Tarshi in calling for an end to this rather “uncivilised” marriage law to say the least. While I understand some of the reasons that may have driven the authorities to introduce this legislation. One of these reasons is to protect the family structure and culture of our society from foreign influence. I must admit that this is an acceptable reason if we define “foreign” as outside of the Arabic world. But since all Arabic countries share very striking similarities in religion, culture, tradition…..e.t.c this justification is simply invalid.
I think when it comes to true love, no national boundaries exist. You don’t decide which nationality the girl you will fall in love with should be, It’s not the way things happen.
I personally have come across many people who are suffering from consequences of this marriage restriction law. One particular sad case that I recall is of a friend of mine who married his relative from East- Africa. Although he knew of this legislation but he thought the authorities would look at his case with a sympathetic eye, especially with the girl being his close relative. At the time the poor guy didn’t realise that his decision to get married, which should make him happy, would turn out to make the rest of his life a complete misery. What happened is that the guy has spent three years till now knocking on every door in the ministry of interior and sending countless number of letters appealing to the authorities to consider his situation with no success. He is now leaving with constant fear of loosing his job, being charged by the authorities and even being stripped off his national identity. Above all, he can’t live a normal family life with a person that he loves and would do anything to share his life with. To me, the only “mistake” that he did is marrying the person he loved who also happens to be his relative.
Also the way the law implemented is not consistent with big sharks and “influential” people being easily given the green light to marry from whenever they please and the poor normal citizens bearing the full blunt of this legislation. You can also notice this happening in many other areas of our legislation.
I would like to see this “stupid marriage law” as Tarshi called it, thoroughly reviewed taking into consideration all the effects it has on the citizens of this country. The least that the authorities can do is to widen the circle of countries that one can marry from to include Arab countries for the reasons that I explained above."
Regards
Solo
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alim
sukar zyadah
24-10-00, 12:14 AM
tarshy, well i think that what you are going through is really sad. no matter how strict the government or the laws are, no one has the right to choose or stop you from marrying whoever you like. i think that you really should try more. and best wishes. invite me to the wedding which i hope would be in oman, upstading against all the fake rules and misleading mentalities.
HATE_QOOM_LOOT
24-10-00, 07:45 AM
Mr tarshiy
What happened : did you married her or what : tell us the news.;)
Don't forget inviting us ok:)
( don't worry we will not eat too much );)
Nimr Mal Zibala
03-11-00, 01:25 PM
Are you dumb or something? get married and get another passport man? Who the hell wants an Omani passport ? There is nuthing to do in this hot sweaty country and anyway all arabs orignated from mesopetamia (a.k.a the fertile crescent, aka iran iraq egypt north saudia i think) so who cares which passport u get. So as long as you have an arabesque passport gor for it. Even better go for a British passport as you can travel anywhere in the world and work anywhere in the world!!! lol
Nimr Mal Zibala
10-11-00, 02:09 AM
oh and dont gor US cuz u'll egt blown up heheh!!!!
hi there
I dont know what to say but it seems likt this law is causing alot of problems to the "Guyes" ,ofcourse why should you bother about the females out there,and its the "guyes" who are shopping around for women from allover the globe.Have any one of you wondered what is it going to be like if an Omani girl fell in love"and I say fell in love since i saw this phrase used by mnay guyes on this thread and am asuming that men and women have equal rights" . so what if it was a girl who wanted to marry a foregner what would happen then?so funny isnt it.I dont think the law will have any role here would it?
and we will be talking about man-salughter..ops I meant women-slaughter..
Nimr Mal Zibala
10-11-00, 03:18 PM
Actually i have to thwart your attempt at trying to make this an equal rights thing, because there are a lot of women married to expats maybe more than men. So hahahahaha go back to front desk and continue your pillaging of the money box! (private joke no one else will get that btw )
fishfood21
..Do you have the statistics ?coz I need them for personal use:p
Nimr Mal Zibala
12-11-00, 02:19 AM
Theses girls taht get married to expats are clever tehy leave Oman and live somewhere decent, with big shopping centres, good paying jobs, fun things to do, disney land etc etc etc good night life. And if i gave you stats then you would know who they were, and that really is none of your business. Did you understand the front desk joke ?by the way?
Beach_lover
28-12-09, 08:49 AM
Sorry everyone, since the thread was year 2000, in 9 years ago..
I have the same thing to ask here, how about these Omani guy been married with Omani women, and they're finished now, meaning's divorced..and he's working with one of the goverment office...and he fallen in love with women which're not Omani...how to be consider ? in my opinion..at least ths guy has married once with the same nationality..
any idea to share?
Same thing applies, the chances of accepting might be higher though.
FAITH86
28-12-09, 09:17 AM
Well there are always ways that would help you go ahead with your marriage plan. And yah, am talking about "Wasta"...
Wish you all the best
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Braiki and Fatih said it all :yes:
So much for hoping the laws would change :rolleyes:
Do you have the same laws in the UAE, Cherry?
Pecadora
28-12-09, 12:16 PM
This is weird, because my uncle got married to a non-Omani a number of years back, but I do not re-call any troubles faced during the process of getting married.
Do you have the same laws in the UAE, Cherry?
Yes, but it's not as strict. The permission can be easily granted as long as there is consent from the parents. Besides, within the GCC countries is also fine.
I didn't even know such a law exists!!
Why?? :os
Its not up to the government who we marry! wth, thats insane.
Lacrymosa
28-12-09, 12:30 PM
Oh, I won't be able to marry a Japanese. :( Haha - lol. :p
This law is not stupid. It's studied and experienced. And it's applied after seeing the problems of letting marriage to whoever Omanis want. Some foreign women get married to Omanis just for the nationality. Then divorce happens then homeless and with not clear identity kids and it becomes more complicated at the end. And the letter is to the international human rights? LOL
Lacrymosa
28-12-09, 12:47 PM
This law is not stupid. It's studied and experienced. And it's applied after seeing the problems of letting marriage to whoever Omanis want. Some foreign women get married to Omanis just for the nationality. Then divorce happens then homeless and with not clear identity kids and it becomes more complicated at the end. And the letter is to the international human rights? LOL
Wow - thanks for elaborating this up..
Elvenblade
28-12-09, 12:48 PM
Nimr Mal Zibala .. what a nickname :XD:
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Pecadora, its different when someone has the magical "W" wand ^^
ENEMY_OF_GURLZ
28-12-09, 12:53 PM
Let us talk with more sense, you letter will be put in file 13 and your all efforts will go with wind. Second point about the rule itself; it doesn't make sense that only elderly people +60 are allowed to marry ,exactly from India and particularly from Hyderabad, still I cant find any reason for that.:os
Let us come to the consequences of such rule and discuss them honestly.Most of old people are not able to satisfy their young wives which motivate them to look for pleasure somewhere else and that will create another disaster in Omani society , the same apply here with some handicaps
Government here will not consider the love -what love * what melon -as an essential factor to any marriage from foreigner and they will advise you to try your best to marry from Oman ignoring all your suffering and social status
Yes, they have no objection of the wide spread number of Chinese Myonese (mayonnaise) and some North African nationalities here to practice adultery without lifting a finger in despite they are aware of what happining behind the curtains in health clubs, just because fat cats here are benefiting and earning wealth from their business.
I don't want to say any more than already said because really it makes my heart burns more ( keep it covered)
May Allah guide them to the right path
This law is not stupid. It's studied and experienced. And it's applied after seeing the problems of letting marriage to whoever Omanis want. Some foreign women get married to Omanis just for the nationality. Then divorce happens then homeless and with not clear identity kids and it becomes more complicated at the end. And the letter is to the international human rights? LOL
It is not stupid, placing laws was never stupid anyways. But it's taking away the freedom. Preventing the public from marry what they love because "they don't know what's good for them."
Besides, it created another problem, some families are taking advantage of that and increasing the mahar rate to crazy prices.
I hate to bring this similarity example, but this is what happens when you have monopoly over a product; sellers get to crazily increase the price.
Very Beatifuly written , I hope we see changes coming from them!
It is not stupid, placing laws was never stupid anyways. But it's taking away the freedom. Preventing the public from marry what they love because "they don't know what's good for them."
Besides, it created another problem, some families are taking advantage of that and increasing the mahar rate to crazy prices.
I hate to bring this similarity example, but this is what happens when you have monopoly over a product; sellers get to crazily increase the price.
Am completely with you about the high dowry stupidity from the parents and I remember discussing this in one of the previous ES threads about dowries in Oman. But this is another case. I know it's a very tough decision from the government but eventually it's done to serve the country and its people. No laws satisfy everyone. And for those who fall in love with foreigners, there are always ways to get what you want ;)
B S Al Hassani
28-12-09, 09:45 PM
Am completely with you about the high dowry stupidity from the parents and I remember discussing this in one of the previous ES threads about dowries in Oman. But this is another case. I know it's a very tough decision from the government but eventually it's done to serve the country and its people. No laws satisfy everyone. And for those who fall in love with foreigners, there are always ways to get what you want ;)
yallah admit it el rey you wanted our housemaid ha:yes: hehehe:p
but yeah i agree with Braikoz n El rey , ppl start playing with this rule in a negative way,, and again no one likes rules, finally: we agree in to not agree.. ma 3ajebna shai" we dont like anything set"
Romantic
29-12-09, 04:53 AM
to be frank , and this thread is opened for real discussion :) i dont give a shit for this law !
if the law applied to every one in country even the son of minster , then i will follow the drift , otherwise they just block the public and they enjoy the pretty fishes :bored:
:inno: i would like to marry russion girl + one more japaness + one more french and i will create world family ,,, looool :p
if you look at the community , you will figure out that we have more stupid things
that the bulshi never marry real omani girl , and the omani gril nerve marry zufari man
and the bedwi man nerver marry civilian women , and the lawati people never marry siny people
so , every thing is blocked , what else we have !!!!!!!
Before I start typing my comments,I would like to list the Civil Omani Laws:
1- That the parties should seek a marriage permit from the Interior Ministry and the conditions for approval are as follows:
a. There are medical or social conditions that require a marriage of a non-Omani. (Yes people, you get to marry the defective ones!)
b. The non-Omani who is seeking this permission should have the financial ability to marry and care for their spouse.
c. The Omani may not be married to an Omani female while seeking this permit, unless she is unable to meet her martial requirements. (I don’t know. I guess it means if she can’t bare children)
2- A committee is formed to review the request. The committee will consist of:
a. Two people from the Interior Ministry, in which one is the head of the committee.
b. One person from the Ministry of Social Development.
c. One person from the Omani Royal Police.
The committee then sends a report to the Interior Minister to give the proper decision.
3- The following instances are exempt from the first and second law:
First, Omanis can marry non-Omani’s after permission from the Interior Minister in the following conditions:
a. If the non-Omani is from the Gulf countries.
b. If the non-Omani is the son of an Omani female that has lived in Oman for 18 years. (Women do not pass their citizinship to their children in Oman)
c. If the Omani female who is seeking the permit is divorced or widowed with children. (this is just too much!)
Second, the Interior Ministry can issue a permit for marrying non-Omanis in the following conditions:
a. If the person seeking marriage lives in borders of the country, and wants to marry someones from the neighbouring country. (I think this applies for Yemen because it is not considered a Gulf country)
b. If the person seeking marriage is an Omani through naturalization. (If they have the citizenship, why would they need a permit!!?)
4- Consequences for not following the proper procedure:
a. A fine that is no more than 2000 Omani Rials.
b. You cannot enter your spouse in the country.
c. You will not be employed. (I don’t know if private sector is included or if it is just goverment employment)
http://www.moi.gov.om/moi/marriagelaw.asp
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Now...despite these rules look unfair to many of you, but are there for valid reasons such as; preventing non-Omanies to take advantage of Omanies and get the passport, To keep the Omani identity, some times its there to protect the Islamic identity....etc
However, our government is lean enough and it gives permission to many cases.
I've known many people from different countries who got the Omani passport, even some are not muslims.
Keep Omani identity my @$$.
There is someone who got the permit after a phone call on the same day. Just because his father is a known person in the country.
If the rule applied on all with no exception it would look better.
But Applying it on some and leaving others doesn't make sense.
And usually, rich people get those permission, well guess what? Rich people have higher possibilities to be taken advantage of.
Like a rich old man marrying a Moroccan who's got a young boyfriend.
and many other stories.
This law doesn't have any value as long as there are 'exceptions' who get 'wasta' all the time.
First of all, thank you for your replay, but I would love if you avoid using inappropriate statements.
As per our religion:
Man: Can marry non-Omani lady (Christian, Jew ) “Ahl al Kitab”
Lady: Can only marry Muslims.
I have never came across a case where a girl in oman marry a non-Muslim, in most cases the man declares Islam (at least public “I will not discuss the integrity of his Islam here”) then he is allowed.
I’m sure that there are many exceptions which been driven by some influences, but most of these influences are to speed the process and not to break the rules. There are many Omani citizens’ married different European ladies and got the permissions after some time. I actually know few non-Omani friends whom married Omani ladies and they got the permission in no time with no “influence”.
It’s true that its bit frustrating to see “exceptions” , but without these rules, it will be a chaos…
Yes, these rules do protect the Omani identity. Imagine that these rules are not there! First thing will happen is that all Indians/ Bangali /… (non-muslim Labour in general) will convert to Islam and pay Omani girls some cash to get the Omani passport and take over your job and your lands.
These rules are there for valid reasons.
I've known many people from different countries who got the Omani passport, even some are not muslims.
Keep Omani identity my @$$.
There is someone who got the permit after a phone call on the same day. Just because his father is a known person in the country.
If the rule applied on all with no exception it would look better.
But Applying it on some and leaving others doesn't make sense.
And usually, rich people get those permission, well guess what? Rich people have higher possibilities to be taken advantage of.
Like a rich old man marrying a Moroccan who's got a young boyfriend.
and many other stories.
This law doesn't have any value as long as there are 'exceptions' who get 'wasta' all the time.
I totally agree :super:
My question is why are the rules so strict? What is Oman afraid of?
Is it really so because Oman is such a multicultured society that most are bound to marry other nationalities?
Why are such rules put in place with so much limitations to prevent Omani's to marry?
I don't get it. As Braiki put it, if Omani Identity isn't the reason, then what is?
Yes, these rules do protect the Omani identity. Imagine that these rules are not there! First thing will happen is that all Indian / Bangali /… non-muslim Labour in general will convert to Islam and pay Omani girls some cash to get the Omani passport and take over your job and your lands.
Seriously Portal? Are Omani women that daft to accept money in exchange for expats getting a passport? (no offense ladies) Why is the guy getting a passport anyways? He can remain with his nationality, and she's an Omani - whats the harm? Doesn't sound like a valid reason to me!
Cherry,
Omani goverment only put limitation regarding non-Omani marriage .It has nothing to do with other stuff like (dowry , origin, religion section ..etc).
I won’t really discuss this, but we already have many prostitution cases in our courts, am sure that these ladies won’t mind temporary marrying a non-Omani for some cash.
However, its not like the government fully rejecting non-Omani marriage, they just added restrictions to limit and monitor this process, any one can apply for approval and I know many people getting it.
Cherry,
Omani goverment only put limitation regarding non-Omani marriage .It has nothing to do with other stuff like (dowry , origin, religion section ..etc).
I won’t really discuss this, but we already have many prostitution cases in our courts, am sure that these ladies won’t mind temporary marrying a non-Omani for some cash.
However, its not like the government fully rejecting non-Omani marriage, they just added restrictions to limit and monitor this process, any one can apply for approval and I know many people getting it.
You have many OMANI women prostitution cases? :o
Ok, so what? It's better for her - the halal way. Doesn't make a difference when discussing this. Why is he getting the passport?
Does a non-omani guy get the passport just because he's married to an Omani woman?
Cheery, hold.
you are miss-leading yourself. In my previous post I said "Imagine" and that was to
allow you to feel what could happen if these rules where not there.
Cheery, hold.
you are miss-leading yourself. In my previous post I said "Imagine" and that was to
allow you to feel what could happen if these rules where not there.
I'm asking why are these rules in place? and you told me Imagine. Give me a better answer other than imagine then...
Anti_XXX
29-12-09, 12:56 PM
The guy need a good slap to wake him up!
Long story short, I don't think it should concern the goverment who we can or can't marry.. we already have families to that job for us.
And the fact that this rules can easily be broken by was6a (trans?) is making it sound even more ridiculous.
Even though the idea of Omani guys wanting to marry non-omani women is not all that appealing to me, but in the end its thier personal choice and I don't think anyone has the right to put such rules for it :os
Ma 9ar passport hatha (all this for passport issues)
there should be some conditions, I agree, but from what I read above it seems to be like they are trying to make it impossible for anyone to get the permission.
Again, I don't like the fact that Omani men wanna marry non-Omanis :p
But what I like and don't like is not the point here :p
Cherry,
I'm not the ruler of this country or a minister to justify "why these rules are in place”. My first post states clearly why "I’m in the favour of these rules".
Oman is a secured / clean / healthy / friendly / cheap country comparing to most gulf/world countries.
Now lets imagine that these rules are not there:
Business wise:
There are many investors would love to keep their core company in Oman because its safe/economic..Etc BUT there are many restrictions for non-Omani’s to gain full access of their investments...
If these rules are not here, then they can easily marry an Omani woman just to take over your family/my family business and reduce our chances to investments.
Social Wise:
If they open the door for Men in Oman to marry non- Omanies then …
This leads many women to stay single. I know you will say “these women can marry non-omani too .Well, Women are restricted only to marry Muslims, and most families do not allow their daughters outsiders.
Also, each country got their different rules. Example: If an Australian divorces his wife, she gets 50% of all what he got, even if she wasn’t working.
There are many cases where non-Omani women cant stand the living here and they end up running back to their countries with their children and never hearing about them again because their country rules protect her.
These are very simple conflicts which you may get with non-omani marriages.
National rights:
In Oman and most other countries; Once a non-Omani guy been given the permission to marry an Omani lady, her Son/daughters will not get the Omani passport, they will get the fathers nationality.
If an Omani girl marry a guy from China.. all her children will get Chinese passport and not the Omani passport. Mainly, they will not have national rights.
Btw, most of the applications are rejected are from couples whom got married abroad without informing the government then applying for it .The government usually accept most applications given, but some just take longer time to be processed.
I believe that limiting non-Omani marriage is ideal.
I know that in perfect scenarios things looks so perfect but they are not.
You have many OMANI women prostitution cases? :o
Ok, so what? It's better for her - the halal way. Doesn't make a difference when discussing this. Why is he getting the passport?
Does a non-omani guy get the passport just because he's married to an Omani woman?
Cherry,, Hold a Minute
Portal did not explain his statement well!! I am quite sure He meant foreigners Prostitution who are doing business here in oman to gain more income in a very disgrace way of selling their bodies,,, But not Pure Omanis Ladies going in that direction.
Girls and Boys
I guess the Govenment they have a good reason why they have these restriction, I am sure they went into deep study and see the side effect of having a children of multinationa, keeping into consideration the effect with introducing different culture and behavior that their mothers will bring into our society where we always Love and try to keep everything MADE IN OMAN:):)
Again why would you Love to Marry A Foreigners where we have the Most beautiful Chicks HERE IN Oman!!!
Trust Me Oman Ladies are Picking Up..
You have Variety Of Choices... You Just Think about any specs that suits your Requirents You will find them within our Oman Chicks..:yes::)
Srour King
29-12-09, 02:04 PM
I think the law was made to protect Oman identity for the marrying couples.I don't support the idea of calling the law stupid because that implies that even those who sat down and decided to pass it are stupid.
The law requires an applicant to lodge their applications to the Ministry of Interior.I think the problem is with those who are responsible to issue the permit but not the law itself!
If the parameters are met, they have to issue the permit,but if they start deciding beyond those parameters then they are to blame.I would like to think that they are acting irresponsible when it comes for An Omani Arab applying to marry an Egyptian Arab.
I would like to think that they are acting irresponsible when it comes for An Omani Arab applying to marry an Egyptian Arab.
Srour King
The law allows Omanis to Marry without restriction within AGCC (Saudia/Kuwait/UAE/Bahrain/Qatar/Oman),
But I guess the Dowry and marriage celebration in those Countries are even beyond your Dream,, May be in Bahrain and its reasonable...
I would have loved to see The Government adds more countries such as YEMEN, and IRAQ then slowly we can add other Arb Countries...
Srour King
29-12-09, 03:48 PM
Well,then it is a pitty that one can't marry the partner he loves Sleyum.I have one example where a permit was given to a man who married his cousin out of AGCC,yet she was not Omani.
My apologies for using bad language in the reply to you post, Protal.
With all due respect tho, I can't come with a conclusion that makes sense from your posts. :os
There are many who are married to omani women and they never got the passport.
Marrying an Omani lady doesn't grants anyone a green card kinda thing nor make them eligible for the passport. That's ONE.
The law is there to forbid Omanis from marrying women from outside the GCC countries. Having a permission (which is impossible to be granted) is just twisting the forbiding law.
NOBODY gets it without wasta, except handicapped/disabled people or a person with a flaw. I know many who are married to foriegners and they all got it WITH wasta.
I will stop here as I don't to open doors to dead ends.
At the end of the day, as long as I am living in this country, whether I like the law or not, I will have to follow it and respect it.
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Braiki,
You probably went throught my posts very fast.I didnt say that you will be granted a passport.
The current law only give marrige permit without giving nationality.The second example I gave was if we didnt had all these rules, and if it granted "green" card or a passport and I explained its impact.
I assure you that I had a non-Omani friend whom married a healthy Omani girl without using "wasta".it took him around a month and half.Most of the rejected casses are the ones whom married without getting the permission then they came back asking for it.
I appreciate your input Braiki.
Romantic
29-12-09, 06:20 PM
Cheery, hold.
you are miss-leading yourself. In my previous post I said "Imagine" and that was to
allow you to feel what could happen if these rules where not there.
Just give me a sense for your speech or what you " imagine "!! i will mention some basic things : what a paradox
- Passport issue
-Marriage issue regarding omani girls
-Our tradition issue
1)short glimpse :
your entire point is circulating about protecting the society from other invading nationality ? am i right !!
so, let me clear this out , before a decades when oman was ruled zienjabar and many omani married zanijabari womens whatever if they were black or white for " islam spreading "
and the islam mentioned that : this is an excerpt from Quran
"وجعلناكم شعوبا وقبائل لتعارفوا أن أكرمكم عند الله أتقاكم "
which coincide the goal of getting socialite and spreading the ethic and values of islam and didnt mention the specific tribe or if he/she is black or white ,whats important is what inside of your heart ? do you agree with me ,that oman were a multicultural country before the decree has circulated and that being multi-cure enrich the community regardless of the negative points , and the claim that our tradition and ethic will gone if we interact with external world ! we are in 2010 and an internet can do much worse than being marriage of other culture
sence please , and one more thing if every one obey the decree even the sons of minsters then we will follow the drift ,you cant fool the public.
we have our own a race even though that some orginal omani citizan Despise blushi or zenjabari or zufari or bedwai or he is lawati " dont generalise your point to other country we have our own problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALLAH created every one in this earth with deep wisdom and set up basic rules , we should respect any one regardless of his origin as islam said .
contempting aisan people " poor majority " you named as indian or banglai or whatever
initially i am not the lawyer or official spokenman about these nationality , but as i can see that you are despise them as other do , please dont get this wrong islam said that there is no diffrent beteen arabic or Ajami ,except his loving the ALlah and doing what islam is said .Am i right buddy ? what ever he is white or black , poor asian or black African , ugly or monster ,human or alien we should respect them and being good person and reflecting fairly good impression about oman.
I am not racist , but i do recommend that govement opens the door for marriage from these countries " Japan - France - Russia- UK- Egypt -Malaysia "
these countries will be good alternatives as well as gulf countries , the goverment should not concern about the " identity or multiculture issues " as the world becomes more smaller place and media for example tv channels , internet can be more worse influenced in our culture, as i said we were a multiculture country before 1970 ! nows whats is important is oman should have a link to these countries
" japan - france - russia- UK- Egypt -malaysia " to be more prosperity countery where others find oman as place to settel down .
- Gulf countries >> ranked as first choice
-Japan - France - Russia- UK- Egypt -Malaysia >> ranked as second choice
2)marriage issue regarding omani girls :
you said it by your self if omani girls marry one chinaness as example " no offance "as result of that the childerens will be counted for father nationality >> so , i can see this is a girl decssion which comes after an official written approval from her fathers and family , and the only axis of our discussion that girls cant go for countries thats does not give benefit or credit to our community ? so it will be invain move if girl decide to marry one poor asian nationality , and bring more troubles .
malasiay or Japan or UK are good restriction , so dont be afraid of what in your mind , if the goverment specify a few development countries that they have no interested or crowd out in our omani passport , there is no problem in my prospective .we have only the nature , not a luxurious living standard , so why we block these deveploment countries from getting married with our girls , they dont want to make a bundle from our girls , we have nothing only stunning nature spared from north to south , thatz all .
Eventually the overview , oman is a multicure country before 1970 !!!!! and marriage issue is related to human decision and basic rights followed with goverment interset " as i mentioned malaysia or Japan or UK or France " would be good choises for our country , every individual can head publiclly there and get married with a mutual approval from our minstery and thier minsetey >>> they are not seeking the passport thing
that in your mind , they are a head countries and far away about our thinking and technology
, we can take advantage of them not vise ,,
this prospective of being open-minded regarding marragie issue will take us to next level of being a democratic country. and oman was a multiculture country before 1970 !! isnt it ? why the a fuss ?
Finally if she is a muslim and pretty and from these develpoment countries " malaysia -Japan-France -UK " , there will not be any stumbling block form my side .
we are in 2010 , no more " lame excuses " , public deserve to get some freedom as i mentioned , the government should permit these countries publicly " Japan - France - Russia- UK- Egypt -Malaysia " officially without any restriction.
cheers
I'm sorry, but the way I see it, this law is causing more harm than good. I'm yet to hear a good reason for it.
Cherry,
I already pointed what I think.You dont have to think like me.
You probably need to direct this energy to http://www.moi.gov.om/
They might give you reason which fullfill your desire.
What baffles me is that you Omani citizens also don't understand this rule and why it's implemented. I'm an outsider and this rule strikes me as weird. So I was just wondering where this idea came from... what triggered it in other words, because all other GCC countries aren't that strict.
Cherry,
Please do not generlise.The rules posted by our goverment are clear and I posted the english version of it.Its normal that many people dont know there rules! simply because they got no interast in it.Its like when you ask some about other labour laws.
what triggered it in other words, because all other GCC countries aren't that strict.
Really ?!
Please check the following links:
Saudi Arabia: http://www.ahsa.gov.sa/order_req.htm
Saudi Arabia:Rules: http://www.ahsa.gov.sa/order_req.htm
Qatar :http://mn940.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7276
If you really wish to understand these rules,try to google all the chaos which it creates.
These are interasting statistics about UAE : http://www.uaeec.com/vb/t29219.html
Cherry,
Please do not generlise.The rules posted by our goverment are clear and I posted the english version of it.Its normal that many people dont know there rules! simply because they got no interast in it.Its like when you ask some about other labour laws.
Really ?!
Please check the following links:
Saudi Arabia: http://www.ahsa.gov.sa/order_req.htm
Saudi Arabia:Rules: http://www.ahsa.gov.sa/order_req.htm
Qatar :http://mn940.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7276
If you really wish to understand these rules,try to google all the chaos which it creates.
Thanks Portal, now we're talking not imagining :p
Interesting read, it seems they've placed restrictions on men working in government, and influential positions in the country, and students who studied abroad etc.
According to my Saudi friend marrying a foreigner isn't that difficult. That is what I was referring to when I said they're not that strict. Well anyways, thank God our rules are relaxed. :)
This is What SAUDIS thinks about marrying a Foreigners
Umm Faisal’s son married a Syrian woman after his first marriage to his cousin ended in divorce. She praised the current wife and says her son is really happy.
Yet a professor in sociology has warned marrying non-Saudi women can have a damaging effect on future children.“Children end up living in a constant psychological struggle,” she said.
The sociologist explained that children are usually influenced by their mother’s culture and background. Therefore, they never feel at ease mingling in their father’s society.
“They usually feel instability due to the clash of identities,” said the sociologist.
A nurse at a local hospital said her brother had married a Syrian woman who insisted on maintaining her own identity, accent and traditions and therefore could not integrate into Saudi society.
“The family didn’t welcome her because of her attitude. She eventually lived in isolation and it negatively affected my brother and their children. They divorced after much conflict,” she said.
I Guess it doenst Help Marrying a Foreigner Let Us stick to our Own Brand:p
Sporty4life
04-01-10, 09:57 PM
BULLS@#$, Oman is the bomb.
no one messes with the best. :flag:
BULLS@#$, Oman is the bomb.
no one messes with the best. :flag:
Elaborate Further I am Lost!!!!
BeachBambi
09-01-10, 12:30 AM
I am a foreign woman married to an Omani. We have no cultural, religious or familial issues or problems. Our daughter has been bought up to know and respect both cultures and religions. She speaks English, Arabic, Jebbali and Mahri and is in the middle of learning the language of the country we recently moved to. She has the most open mind of anyone I know due to how we bought her up, is well adjusted and is an exceptionally happy person.
Restricting who people marry is silly and out of date. The marriage law in Oman really needs up dating / changing
marianna
09-01-10, 06:36 AM
Amen beach bambi. That marriage law affected me. Some people still want to live in the dark ages when it comes to the "mixing" of races. If a person wants to "stick to their own kind" fine but don't blanket that thought towards everyone else.
marianna if You Go To Rome Do what Romans do... That's natural You can not Change someone Culture, Traditional just To Please Your Guest... Naturally If I decide to go and Live in Puerto Rico, I will do what they do..
and if Puerto ricons Comes to Oman they need to Follow our Way.. I dont see any complains grievience will help..
many Western are exposing their Body 90% naked, which was not the case 50yrs ago... I would not like to see they Import their behaviour in my country.
^^
And what on Earth does that got to do with anything?! I'm quite sure the foreigner getting married to the Omani and decide to live in Oman would respect the culture and what not. I don't think they'd be too ignorant not to know what they are involving themselves into (culture wise). Respecting a culture is there and I'm quite sure the Omani wife or husband would make that clear from the start.
Rummy Thanks
This is the whole problem when most of the western women married to Oman Boys.. they dont want to go along with our Culture, Instead they wants to Import their unaccpetable behaviour and atitude into our Society which it doesnt work based in our close society that we do live in..
^^
But I still don't find it reasonalbe for that being the sole reason. Many things get imported through the TV shows and music videos people watch today. If you compared those so called unaccepted traditions you are talking about. I hardly find any of those got introduced by those who married foreigners rather its media that has acted on chagning our young generations' views on clothign and other social behaviors. Its totally unjust to assume that its all imported because of foreigners that intermarried with our own flesh and blood.
Rummy You are Absolutely Right Importation of Various bad Behaviour can Come from Different direction.. And that's why Parents has the duty to Monitor and control What their Kids Are Watching Through TV/Internet etc and why On earth as Muslim parent Allow your Kids to Listen to Music or go to Cinema that is part of Astry to Join Evils, Parents has a lot to do and to answer in the judgement Day how they brought up their Kids...
But again to Answer your Q, wether we like it or Not Mothers are the Key and the most Influencial to their Children more than a father, And most Foreigner Mother are Potential WMD to their Kids they can Influence their kids anything they wish to!!!
marianna
10-01-10, 07:02 PM
Not everything about the West is so decadent and distasteful. To say so is an insult for those of us who live honest and fulfilled lives. What bothers me is telling people who they can marry which is an insult to the very core of a person's nature to chose whom to love. If I lived in Oman I would respect the cultural mores in that country and the rules the same as I would expect an Omani to obey the rules of my country. There are good Christian woman who live good lives and have wonderful families, a good education, solid job etc...but even that isn't good enough. I applaud individuals like Beach Bambie who made a go at it and are succeeding despite the put downs from whence she came and flies in the face of stereotypes from the M.E. when it comes to Western women.
Beach_lover
13-01-10, 04:30 PM
Just came in my mind to ask, how about if this omani men which are still married with omani women and wanna to marry non -omani women as a second, what do you think if this case, will ministry of interior will agree and allowed him to marry? its high chance? or less chance?
business girl
14-01-10, 02:47 PM
sorry guys am with this low
ask ur self this question
why this low is exsist in Oman???
of cors bcoz of the huge problems and effects of this marrige
let the love story a side and thin about later the futur the marrige the children and other things
and what the thing that the forginer wo/man has and Omani not has????
Just came in my mind to ask, how about if this omani men which are still married with omani women and wanna to marry non -omani women as a second, what do you think if this case, will ministry of interior will agree and allowed him to marry? its high chance? or less chance?
It will be the same rule, having an Omani wife and planning for a non-Omani wont change the chances.
He still needs to apply for a permission.It might make things worse if he got the second wife "non-Omani" secretly,the government then might jail him/take his passport away or ask him to pay a high fine..
Beach_lover
15-01-10, 08:24 AM
It will be the same rule, having an Omani wife and planning for a non-Omani wont change the chances.
He still needs to apply for a permission.It might make things worse if he got the second wife "non-Omani" secretly,the government then might jail him/take his passport away or ask him to pay a high fine..
Portal,
thanks for the info!:love:
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