http://www.moqavemat.com (http://www.moqavemat.com/) - an Iran-based website run by the Hezbollah terrorist group - is running this picture of what it claims is the Israeli ship it hit with a missile last month.

Now look at the Royal Australian Navy’s (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_Torrens_Destruction_by_Mk_48_lg.jpg)picture below

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_Torrens_Destruction_by_Mk_48_lg.jpg

- as published by Defence Industry Daily - of its sinking of the decommissioned Australian destroyer-escort HMAS Torrens off the coast of Western Australia in 1998 . We were told at the time the Torrens was deliberately sunk by a torpedo fired by one of our own submarines, the HMAS Farncomb.

Should we now think that we were in fact attacked by Hezbollah - or is this just the latest proof that Hezbollah will lie and lie again for propaganda gain?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/hezbollah_sinks_australian_warship/

More hizbollah lies.

They are indeed, specialists in the old art of Taqiyaa.

umm so you mean that the dystroyer ship was never hit?

Correct.

They used a picture of the planned demolition of a decommissioned australian warship and pretended that they destroyed an Israeli warship.

Not the first time they have been caught out.

this time I am sorry to say that you are wrong!

A colleuge was there in lebenon during the war and he did see the explosion in the sea after Nassrallah's speach!!

http://www.moqavemat.com (http://www.moqavemat.com/) - an Iran-based website run by the Hezbollah terrorist group - is running this picture of what it claims is the Israeli ship it hit with a missile last month.



kindly show us where in the posted link the image is referred as the Israeli ship, because I could not locate it

This will be interesting

lo0ol wudjy why don't u just accept the truth? people actually saw it with their own eyes
chillax dude don't believe wutever u read ;)

wudjab, it's time to get out of your box and open your eyes.

Even Israel didn't deny it.

That picture is still not an Israeli warship, it is an Australian ship, HMAS Torrens and there is no denying that. They should post the proper picture of the Israeli warship they blew up and not use something that MY tax dollars kept commissioned, decommissioned and blew up for target practice.

*edited- non-english is not allowed without transalation* Oh sorry Wudjab I thought you were kurdish. Anyway Yes, you are right, that picture is not the Israeli warship, I could tell so easily. However, that site does not represent Hezbollah or its officials to say they lie or not may be they use Taqyah, but Israeli officials admitted it's been sunk. The picture is clear that it's a boneyard ship decommissioned, and used as a target practice, the white crosses on its sides are clear indications. [click] (http://www.maktoobblog.com/email_post.htm?uid=juju_72&post=70002)

Hey *edited-Name calling is not required. Do avoid such methods, consider this an Unofficial Notice.*when will you stop lying. Israel has lost the war and even the Israelis have accepted it. Why do you think they are investigating their military leaders? Can't you post a single statement which is not a lie. You should have been a Zionist! :D

First of all, nowhere in the link you provided the ship the image of u shared is even mentioned. You are such a *edited-No need to use provoking words* that even the source of the picture is not related to the link you provided.

"http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_Torrens_Destruction_by_Mk_48_lg.jpg"

*edited- If you have anything to say to the Moderators then either PM or report the thread/post*

Secondly, when Hezbollah destroyed their first ship Israel denied that. But later they accepted it when various sources confirmed the destruction of their ship. Later, when the second ship was detroyed, Israelis denied it again, but again, various sources confirmed the news.

Perhaps you can translate for us sting..

http://moqavemat.ir/?lang=fa&state=showbody_news&row_id=1322

Secondly, when Hezbollah destroyed their first ship Israel denied that. But later they accepted it when various sources confirmed the destruction of their ship. Later, when the second ship was detroyed, Israelis denied it again, but again, various sources confirmed the news.

Israel tried hard to hide the loses during the war to avoide damage of it's image among Jews and the world but the truth always shining no matter what, now they are having internal problems and even a team was formed to invistiage the failures of zionists army in Lebanon. I sometimes wonder if the current sexual scandal is way to divert public opinion from the failure in Lebanon.

Perhaps you can translate for us sting..

http://moqavemat.ir/?lang=fa&state=showbody_news&row_id=1322

Sorry I don't read Farsi. However, I do have common sense unlike others ;)

Listen baby, I don't know what does an Iranian website has to do with Hezbollah's claims that it destroyed an Israeli Warship. Now please concentrate so you understand this.

Hezbollah claimed it destroyed an Israeli warship SAAR 4.5 and the media confirmed this. So did the Israeli government.

Later, after Qana masacre, Hezbollah claimed it destroyed the 2nd SAAR 4.5. The media confirmed it again.

I don't know why the hell are you trying to prove the whole world along with the Israelis wrong!

But just think about this and I am sure it will convince you, Hezbollah destroyed two Israeli SAAR 4.5 warships. I don't know what does that have to do with the Australian HMAS Torrens which is mentioned in your friend wudjab's post? :rolleyes:

And actually, Hezbollah never claimed it had images of its second attack on the Israeli SAAR 4.5 in Sur, south or Lebanon.

Now CHILL BABY and spreading lies will do no good I hope you understand. :cool:

Israel tried hard to hide the loses during the war to avoide damage of it's image among Jews and the world but the truth always shining no matter what, now they are having internal problems and even a team was formed to invistiage the failures of zionists army in Lebanon. I sometimes wonder if the current sexual scandal is way to divert public opinion from the failure in Lebanon.

IceTea despite all these internal problems caused by the war, we still see some morons around trying to convince us that Israel did not lose. Who should I believe? The Israelis who have acceted defeat or them? :D

As for the sex scandal, I think they are using the Bill Clinton tactic but only in the opposite direction :p

Sorry I don't read Farsi. However, I do have common sense unlike others ;)

Listen baby, I don't know what does an Iranian website has to do with Hezbollah's claims that it destroyed an Israeli Warship. Now please concentrate so you understand this.

Hezbollah claimed it destroyed an Israeli warship SAAR 4.5 and the media confirmed this. So did the Israeli government.

Later, after Qana masacre, Hezbollah claimed it destroyed the 2nd SAAR 4.5. The media confirmed it again.

I don't know why the hell are you trying to prove the whole world along with the Israelis wrong!

But just think about this and I am sure it will convince you, Hezbollah destroyed two Israeli SAAR 4.5 warships. I don't know what does that have to do with the Australian HMAS Torrens which is mentioned in your friend wudjab's post? :rolleyes:

And actually, Hezbollah never claimed it had images of its second attack on the Israeli SAAR 4.5 in Sur, south or Lebanon.

Now CHILL BABY and spreading lies will do no good I hope you understand. :cool:

I am not denying that Hezbollah bombed Israeli ships and I am not the one lying here my dear, I want to know the truth, which would be, why is this Iranian website is using this particular photo, not only is it anachronistic but it was nowhere near the ME when it was being used for target practice. What purpose does it serve other than lies and propaganda?

Alright, since you are not denying that the ships were in fact bombed, I think we can now talk seriously :).

Look dear, that image is obviously taken form a helicopter or something. And Hezbollah does not have any Helicopter. And as I mentioned earlier the ship is not SAAR 4.5 what Hezbolla bombed in the first place.

Now, regarding the Iranian website, I think we need someone who reads Farsi to corfirm what the Iranian wbesite is actually claiming. Maybe they just used this image in order to explain to the dumb that a similar ship was bombed in a similar way.

Now based on such data you can't say Hezbollah was or is lying. Let see what Wudjob has to say about his statement.

Well according to this thread Majestic speaks Farsi, perhaps they can read it?
It also says you would like to learn it.....so hop to it :color:

http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40978&highlight=farsi

Maybe they just used this image in order to explain to the dumb that a similar ship was bombed in a similar way.


Although I don't know if Israel own a Leander Class Frigate or has a similar ship that could only be where the similarities end. The HMAS Torrens was blown up by a Mark 48 torpedo fired from a Nuclear Submarine through the hull.

ANyway you are right, we do need someone who can read farsi.

Israel had 3 SAAR 4.5 according to an article I read. 2 of there ships were destroyed by Hezbollah.

Anyhow, lets see what Majestic says regarding the Iranian website. I am quite sure though that its just an image they used in order add some graphic to the article because real picture of the destroyed ships are not available.

I am quite sure though that its just an image they used in order add some graphic to the article because real picture of the destroyed ships are not available.

I feel then it would be better not to use a picture at all, then there wouldn't be all this fuss and it kind of makes them look very silly by using it, dont you think?

I don't think it's silly, even if the ship is not the same one but it's always nice to add a pic to celebrate the victory :p.

Next time the Zionists should think 100 times before getting close to Hizbullah.

I don't think it's silly, even if the ship is not the same one but it's always nice to add a pic to celebrate the victory :p.

Next time the Zionists should think 100 times before getting close to Hizbullah.

I'll draw one for them. I think it is silly considering the story behind it, I mean it wasn't in comission, all its weapons had been stripped off it and it was being used for target practice like tin cans on a fence. Perhaps I'll draw them tin cans on a fence... it equates to the same thing.

Have to admit though this image is probably alot more impressive (explosion size) than the actual explosion on the proper israeli ships done by Hezbollah. Probably why there is no actual images on the net, would be nice to see them.

No one needs to know farsi, there an arabic and english version of the pic. It doesnt say that its the ship hizbollah destroyed .. its just a picture!!

Well since its clear that this thread was opened by Wudjab to further spread the propaganda of some moron form his blog, I think its time to lock it and work on helping wudjob understand facts better :p

First of all some loser liar blogger posts some nonsense in his blog & unfortunately some believe it, nothing wrong with that because people opt to believe whatever pleases them, not everyone is happy that Hezbollah defeated the Zionist terrorist state of Israel

Ok there is nothing wrong with discussing, but I did not read any statement in that Iranian website stating that "This is the picture of the destroyed Israeli ship"

I actually revisited that pathetic blog. I think it is a perfect example of Pro-Zionist and Anti-Islamic media.

I submitted my comment there regarding the issue and now lets see if the moderator allows it in his blog. Lets see how much freedom they allow the blog visitors to practice.

*edited- Use PM for personal comments*

I sent a comment to the Iranian website asking why they are using that image. Although I sincerely doubt I'll see it on their website.

Kara, did or did not Hezbollah hit two ships of the Israeli terrorist state?

I believe I have already answered that in this very thread. But that is not the issue.

Then what is the issue Kara? :os

Kara, that is the issue, because the thread was initiated to deny the fact that Hezbollah ever hit those ships

No the thread was started because an Iranian website is using a picture of a boat that is now used as a diving site off the Western Australian coast. And I want to know why.

And using it along with other photos that actually could be Israeli ships is very misleading.

Kara did you ever see anybody claim that they have pictures of the Israeli boats being destroyed? Or even after destruction? The closest media ever got was when some news channels broadcasted videos of Israeli warship sending SOS signals and then when the helicopters went to their rescue.

So why are so bothered if an Un-official Iranian website uses another image just for illustration? I think you are just desperate now and you are trying to deviate us from the whole issue of this thread being based on lies.

If you are such a truth searcher, maybe you should work on revealing the truth about Holocaust being a myth ;)

If they don't have pictures of it then don't use an obvious fake one.

Kara, many websites use images that are not real to illustrae the holocaust

So was the holocaust a myth & fake?

So why are so bothered if an Un-official Iranian website uses another image just for illustration? I think you are just desperate now and you are trying to deviate us from the whole issue of this thread being based on lies.

Because I am a patriotic australian and I don't like them using it for their propaganda. 'nuff said.

How can u call it fake if the website never claimed it being the picture of the destroyed ship?

Lets say I killed a snake in my backyard, later when I want to show you the type of snake I killed, I email you a snake of similar breed getting the picture form google, will I be lying?

Accept it, you are just desperate :p

Because I am a patriotic australian and I don't like them using it for their propaganda. 'nuff said.

I suggest you report to the Australian government then. :hyper:

HITMAN, that is a good question.

Kara, many websites use images that are not real to illustrae the holocaust

So was the holocaust a myth & fake?

If they are using fake photos then they should stop. Yet that does not mean that the holocaust didn't happen.

How can u call it fake if the website never claimed it being the picture of the destroyed ship?

Lets say I killed a snake in my backyard, later when I want to show you the type of snake I killed, I email you a snake of similar breed getting the picture form google, will I be lying?

Accept it, you are just desperate :p

Desperate no, rolling on the floor laughing...yes.

If you ask me, and I'm guessing you aren't, 'tis the Iranian website that is desperate to use that image.

I suggest you report to the Australian government then. :hyper:

HITMAN, that is a good question.

I took matters into my own hands and asked that website to take it off. The government is pretty useless sometimes.

*Off-topics have been and will be deleted. Members that continue posting off-topics will eventually recieve an official notice for disturbance*

Basically, it is ok for a Muslim blogger to deliberately mislead...........like it is ok for photographs to be deliberately altered

Imagine the reaction if they were Jews...........

I can't believe this whole fuss over a picture that was used to enhance an article. you people really amaze me.

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On a side note:

- Stop calling each others liars.
- Stop name calling each other.
- Stop altering each others nicknames in a provocative way.
- Stop provoking each other by telling them to stop posting or that they have low I.Q..etc etc.

If you fail to do so then the team will just hand out notices and warnings till you're all gone , even if it means that the politics and religion sabla would end up without any discussions at least it will save us the headache of dealing with your complaints all day long.

Thank you

Nabs, the issue is that the Lebanon was largely a propaganda war.

Google Adnan Hajj and you will learn quite a bit.

Hizbollal stringers have been providing altered pictures, setting up fake scenarious and basically controlling what pictures and video have been coming out of Lebanon.

This is just the latest example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lM57WpO-ww&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmypetjawa%2Emu%2Enu%2F

Nabs, the issue is that the Lebanon was largely a propaganda war.



I happen to disagree with that..and I think Israel wanted any excuse to attack and enter Lebanon. Hezbullah might have wanted and liked the extra attention on them but I don't think they were aiming for a war on the lebanese people. I am sorry but there is absolutely no justification to what Israel did and the west are trying so badly to justify it by blaming hezbullah for every little thing.

We are talking about media propoganda, not whether the war was justified or not.

News reporters are supposed to report... not slant the reporting in one directon.

We are talking about media propoganda, not whether the war was justified or not.


Media propoganda derives from the feeling that the whole war was a propoganda as well which is what I commented on.

But I agree that both sides of the story should be told by the media and not be covered to fit their own personal benifit...but anyways..I think we all mostly established that the image they showed was just displayed as an example.

"I can't believe this whole fuss over a picture that was used to enhance an article"

I can't believe you are ok with deliberate deception........especially bearing in mind your probable reaction if deliberate deception was committed by a Westerner

wudjab , I think u should now that when Sayyd Hassan Nasralla says something he means it. he said he will destroy the battleship and he did, he also said that hezboalla will help in rebuilding Lebanon and they are.

this web site will help you know more about hezboalla, it also has got an English version.
http://www.wa3ad.org

All fine and dandy, but show the picture of the battleship you attacked, rather than choose a dramatic picture of a sinking and pretend that you did that.

The way I see it, they didnt have a camera at the time to take pictures of the israeli warship they sunk so they just googled for anything. I mean so what really..

besides this picture was most likely shot with a helicopter, something hezbollah doesn't have.

All fine and dandy, but show the picture of the battleship you attacked, rather than choose a dramatic picture of a sinking and pretend that you did that.

I see that you are still insisting on supporting the lies that you started this whole thread on! Even after all those posts that proved you wrong!

Show me one single Hezbollah official statement where they claimed that they have images of the Israeli ships being destroyed. They broadcast all images they have and they never claimed they managed to take pictures of the ships.

They simply said they destroyed two ships and Israel confirmed. What the hell does an image used by an Iranian website have to do with Hezbollah? Hezbollah is the national resistance of LEBANON and LEBANON is not IRAN. Lebanese are Arabs and Iranians are not. Lebanese speak Arabic and Iranians speak Farsi.

I really don't know what are you trying to prove? I wonder why are you supporting a stupid blog owner who is simply trying to brainwash the ignorant readers that Iran and Hezbollah are actually one entity.

*edited-do avoid using methods of name calling with other members. It is starting to become disturbing. Consider this an unofficial notice*,

Did the author write: " This is not a picture of the Israeli ship being bombed......this is in fact a representation of what it may have looked like"

Anything else is a deliberate deception

Am sure you understand

Sting,

Did the author write: " This is not a picture of the Israeli ship being bombed......this is in fact a representation of what it may have looked like"

Anything else is a deliberate deception

Am sure you understand

Well Mr. P,

Everything else is not a deception. It might be in your culture. But showing an image of a similar ship in a similar situation (ie. being bombed) to people who obvously know that no real pictures exist as Hezbollah said that itself. I don't see what is the deception and I don't see who was being deceived.

Find me a single mature person who thought that ship was the one that Hezbollah destroyed.

you call freedom fighters , terrorists ,
what about your country , Australia and USA too ,
are not they the extreemest terrorests in the world , you stole Palestian
by terrror and Australia alike , it stole whole Australia from Uporiginies ,
while USA stole the Read Indians north america , after killing 112,000,000
red indians
and you dare to call freedom fighters terrorests ,
truth will never vanish ,
the whole world started to know the real Terrorste state of Israel ,
it will not be too far before we GET you ,
Tabash

tabash, the funny part is when the Americans were fighting the British for their freedom, they were considered as heroes and freedom fighters although the British called them outlaws. Despite the fact that the land actually belonged to the Red Indians! Who were killed by the same people!

World is an ironic place isn't :D