Come on let people express what they want to say as long as they are talking about the same subject .. Everything is connected some how .. Sabla is a place to express your opinion .. I really dont like this dictatorship or control by showing that a Mod could delete any post... ? let us feel free .. Yes you can delete or warn when some one insults directly another member or say something or disrespect others religion not only Islam .. A debate is good to understand each others opinion ...

If you got nothing to post dont jump around and show your presence by showing your powers .. Members do make this place ALIVE too... Its not a Royal Decree that you are a MOD ..A MOD should be reachable , friendly , assisting , encouraging , supportive , and a member too ....Dont you agree ?

P.S I just noticed that from MODS and its disturbing honest .. My posts were not deleted so far I am just stating my opinion ..

i agree ?????

okay..lets get straight to the point. which mod deleted which post and in which sabla?

Dear Dark Project,

Why do you say so? Where do you see such moderator posts other than in religion or politics, where moderators' presence has to be shown as so not to let things get out of control. Even if no offense or insults have been thrown, but a moderator can sense that the direction of the thread is going that way, and so s/he has to pop up every once in a while warning that no flaming or insutling is needed, warning that any off topic posts or chitchat would be deleted, because we both know that most of these off topics ruin the thread and drive the discussion elsewhere.

Believe me DP, we are a friendly team.. VERY friendly to be honest. What you see is temporary minor clashes between members and mods, and the way I see it, it's not always like that.. We are reachable , friendly , assisting , encouraging , supportive, and before being moderators we ARE members :) Afterall, we've all started out as members. And we only do what we do, which is our duty & job as mods, only out of love for sabla and keeping it neat, tidy, sane and most of all enjoyable to all members!

It makes me sad that you feel that way, for you are one of the senior members around here, and I thought you would understand how things are with mods. It's not a matter of power, it's just a responsibility.
Yes, I know it's only the internet, but real live people are involved.

When clashes occur, we think of all members but ourselves (No Im not being dramatic really), we try to cover all aspects of an issue or a matter, trying to be fair to both sides, members who complain, and the ones complained about.

We don't like to lock threads, delete posts or even notice/warn/ban members. But these things unfortunetly do happen every once in a while in order to keep the sabla in order.

Don't hate me for this long post! :p

okay..lets get straight to the point. which mod deleted which post and in which sabla?

It does not matter Nabhan I am just expressing my views and as a reminder and there is no need to pin point on which MOD :)

Dear Blind Melon ...

Thank you for your fruitful answer and its indeed nice of you to come forward and Express the MODs views which you and I and most of the Members know that being a MOD is not an easy Job ( believe me I know ) ..
But what I was trying to say is that There are choice of words and better ways to deal with a member .. For an example instead of Blowing the Trumpet publicly in a thread that " Hey don’t deviate from the topic " or I will Delete any posts if its not part of the subject " Or delete a line just because it did not suit the belief of a MOD .Why don’t they use the PM and directly give a nice message to the member who is chit chatting or deviating from the topic or even out of line !!

Many members I have seen left Sabla because the way the MOD's approach ..

Some of the MOD's are really great and we salute them 0f how they deal with situation .. You got to know that sometimes there emotions involved or a member had a bad day or woke up on the wrong side of the bed .. Its the duty of the MOD to make sure that they retain all the members by using better methods , better choice of words, better way of handling , and better way of explaining and communicating ...Thank you once again...

Why don’t they use the PM and directly give a nice message to the member who is chit chatting or deviating from the topic or even out of line !!
...

I have already adressed this topic in my last public announcement: Merged, locked, moved threads (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40531) . We cannot , and I repeat , cannot send a private msg reporting every single action we make..if we do that then we'll be spending all day doing just that and nothing else.

The members should just try and trust that we the team want the best for this place..and whatever action we take is for the best and done with the purest intentions to keep improving this forum which has grown so much (mashallah) during the last few years.

Thank you for your concern DP.

. We cannot , and I repeat , cannot send a private msg reporting every single action we make Maybe so but again Nabhan I am not Stupid neither are the members for you to repeat that you the MODS can not send a private msg thats what I said Choice of words can make any member accept any ruling . ..if we do that then we'll be spending all day doing just that and nothing else. Thats the price the MOD pays is to watch over and to assist and to guide then he /she should post [/QUOTE]..

. The members should just try and trust that we the team want the best for this place..and whatever action we take is for the best and done with the purest intentions to keep improving this forum which has grown so much (mashallah) during the last few years.

Thank you for your concern DP. Indeed But our voices count and not only the MODS should be trusted .. we as members should be trusted too its a 2 way communication .. thats my point .
Thank you for your clarification ...

Life is NOT perfect....why do you expect this online forum to be.......

I support the mods 100%........and they are doing a fine job considering all the time they spend changing people's diapers......including mine occasionally.

sayid farouq Al Fataki

DP: Well we cannot really control the members sensitivity towards our choice of words. Some might find it alright and some might not. example..I don't think using the word 'stupid' in your post above was appropriate while you probably thought it was fine to use it.

so you see it goes both ways. :)

Well we cannot really control the members sensitivity towards our choice of words. Some might find it alright and some might not. example..I don't think using the word 'stupid' in your post above was apropriate while you probably thought it was fine to use it.

so you see it goes both ways. :)

Sensitive !!! There you go I meant to use the word to see how would some of you react and this is what I get throwing the ball back at me . Why cant you and some other MODS balance it .. You always seem to be offensive and defensive .. You are the role model in here thats my point .. Anyways I merely wanted to state a point to assist ( since it is a suggestion thread ) dor members to feel comfortable and become loyal to Sabla .. Its not a fighting thread .. Thanks I rest my case .

Fatak stick to Poltics thread ;) Cause thats a place many of us need Large diapers :) :) .. You are entitled for your opinion .....And I am not seeking for a perfect life either and specially not in Sabla ;)

haha..i'm not fighting with you at all. I just don't agree with your suggestion on fixing the problem. Yes we will try to tone it down a bit..but thats pretty much all we can do. We don't have to agree on everything to be friends you know. :p

And anyways..I'm sure this suggestion came out in responce for the heavy moderating done in both politics and religion sabla. Those sablas are a huge mess..members don't get along and they expect the moderators to side with them (either with muslims or with non muslims) If we side with non muslims..we get a bunch of attacks that we're not doing our job..if we side with the muslims then we're biased and again we're not doing our job...so you see in the end we just do what 'we' the team feel is best..which is why i ask you to trust our judgment becuase so far it has served us well alhamdulillah. :)

I think that's pretty much all i have to say about this.. thank you for your suggestion DP. :sabla:

;) Thanks for being a sport too Nabs.. God bless ...

As a religion moderator, I know how hard it is to eliminate the off topics or unnecessary comments which might provoke a deviation in the thread that's why I edit them as soon as I spot them. There is a major sensitivity when it comes to religion sabla, and an authoritarian reminder needs to be heard for members to stop insulting, throwing accusations and diverting the topic.

An example is the Muslim X Jews thread which was a mess- literally! I've warned members over and over again not to divert the topic or widen the scope of it because it will get ugly as it did at the beginning. One comment can divert the whole topic, that's why it's crucial for moderators to monitor each post regularly. In the Religion Sabla Moderating Guideline which is in the Religion Sabla, I stated already that comments about the "stupidity" of the thread or the intention of the thread initiator will be deleted immediately, and that's exactly how I moderated that thread which caused some members to be sensitive and disappointed in my editing or deleting of their posts. With this thread also, I take into account what the initiator wanted the thread to serve, in this case Haroundb wanted to know why Muslims dislike Zionist Jews, he didn't want an off topic debate about what each religion did wrong, but I was a little flexible because as you said it encourages people to understand and express themselves.

I personally can't PM everyone who is diverting the topic or insulting or being rude, because it's better to announce a warning publicly to everyone so they know exactly what to expect. I can warn member A via PM, but member B wouldn't know about the notice at all. As expectedly Member B does the same mistake as Member A, his/her post is deleted and they get angry because they didn't know about the warning. It's a major obligation and I personally can't handle it. Warning publicly ensures that everyone is aware about the diversion or the actions I've taken or will take.

Another thing I've noticed is that if the moderator is lenient, then members take advantage of that and continue to do whatever the moderator told them not to do. I'm all for friendly tones and whatever, but it gets too much when I have to repeat it 5 times to the same group of members.

I'm all for friendly tones and whatever, but it gets too much when I have to repeat it 5 times to the same group of members.


Well said... Reminds me of school days! :p

Some members like yourself DP, could be annoyed by such warnings and reminders, but it's not like members actually listen when we tell them!!
Plus, I think it's also better done publicly than in PMs (that's if PMs were possible) because on the other hand there are members who do get annoyed by off topics and the diversion of threads, specially the thread initiators.

This is a way to let them know mods are watching, and their efforts in creating threads were not in vain! And yet.. You can also see mods being mocked when a thread is a mess and insults and accusitions are flying left and right, and mods are abit "late" in noticing, so we mods are accused of sitting around and doing nothing!

lol..No one is happy.. :hehe:

DP, anyone who's been in an authoritative position for years and years on eventually let go of the '24x7 friendly' attitude and in some sorts take his/her position for granted. The chances or %s of that happening in real life situations (jobs, govt. positions, etc) are rare because the 'people' have greater power. I'll stop with the govt. analogy before thugy squeaks about how sabla isn't a government.

So, coming straight to the point, I think Nabhan should step down from his position and perhaps stay a normal member. Not a personal attack (which he's bound to mention), but every month 3 out of 4 issues dealing with member-mod issues directly involve him.

And quite frankly, most of the other mods here are relatively very new and of course they'd be more friendly and approachable as compared to the rest. My point being, them being very friendly and accepting doesn't mean squat regarding this issue. =)

Ok myself and Nabhan have come to terms LOOOL Now back at you Lym .. Can you explain to me what is sabla all about .Likewise I have seen many members trying to force their religion on others ( none muslim) and seen very much how you support it since you are a Muslim and how the muslim members get so emotional and wack the other religion members and its ok since you are a Muslim and anyone can see it clearly that you are supporting your religion and forget that you are a MOD .

I would like to salute all none muslim members for their tolarence and accepence of how Muslim members mock them and they still come back to share their views .
As for deleteing posts or warning that you would close a thread I say there are better words or choice of words .. I did not attack you Nor I did judge you being a MOD I only say that easy and open up a bit more .. We were at the hot seat once upon a time ;)

Blind Melon ... Try harder LOL LOL supporting your fellow MOD ;) its good but you got to understand that you accepting that responsibility ( it comes with its headache ) and look at it both side all the time .

Shino you are right some how but lets give Nabhan a credit the guy is on his PC 24/7 and that by itself he needs to see a shrink LOOOL ...

All MODS should not influence eachother just because they like few members or relative and they get away with murder ;)
Take my answer and turn it in to a positive energy not negative.. I have always wondered why they never picked ICe Tea since he was there from day one ;) and other old members and on what bases they chose a MOD

An example is the Muslim X Jews thread which was a mess- literally! I've warned members over and over again not to divert the topic or widen the scope of it because it will get ugly as it did at the beginning. One comment can divert the whole topic, that's why it's crucial for moderators to monitor each post regularly. In the Religion Sabla Moderating Guideline which is in the Religion Sabla, I stated already that comments about the "stupidity" of the thread or the intention of the thread initiator will be deleted immediately, and that's exactly how I moderated that thread which caused some members to be sensitive and disappointed in my editing or deleting of their posts. With this thread also, I take into account what the initiator wanted the thread to serve, in this case Haroundb wanted to know why Muslims dislike Zionist Jews, he didn't want an off topic debate about what each religion did wrong, but I was a little flexible because as you said it encourages people to understand and express themselves.

I know what you mean lol
i have deleted lots of my posts in that thread :yuk:

i agree with what DP said though as nabs said some member will take it in a good way and some not, all about to be sensitive or not ^^

I would like to salute all none muslim members for their tolarence and accepence of how Muslim members mock them and they still come back to share their views .
:)

Dark Project...

I know that many members here are not happy with many decision made by the team cause simply it doesn’t match their opinion or that they felt that it's not fair to delete/edit/lock their threads.

But as you said it's not easy to be MOD and in the same time it's not easy to satisfy all the members ( if it's not possible sometimes !! )

What I want to say that the team is really trying to do their best with all members here and try to balance between all the cases ( ex: Muslim and non Muslim ) as much as possible, sure some won't like it !

Interesting thread and as usual the same tune of the old flute.

Step down and miss out on all the fun of banning and deleting? nah..it's too soon..and I am just getting started. :p

Blind Melon ... Try harder LOL LOL supporting your fellow MOD ;) its good but you got to understand that you accepting that responsibility ( it comes with its headache ) and look at it both side all the time .

Hey..I know what kind of headache being a mod comes with.. But who said I'm complaining! ;) I love every bit of it!

Btw, what you and Shino said about NaBHaN is rather unfair..
I would say the reason behind you guys thinking he is involved in 3 out of 4 issues dealing with member-mod issues is only because he is the only one who dares to speak out bluntly! Seriously.. So he gets the beating..?:lift:

Step down and miss out on all the fun of banning and deleting? nah..it's too soon..and I am just getting started.:p

That's the spirit! :sabla:- er... Not about the banning and deleting though..

for me am away from the Ideal Mod duties...
and for whom that see me biased or not doiny my volountry work here in Sabla perfectly pard me But hey!!! Sabla is Not a country ;) (right?)

we are all here to have fun and am sure that English sabla is well known among all forums to be VERY VERY friendly to the extent that some envious people envy us and blame us for this!!! (compare if you want!)

Our rules are very clear and we (try to our best bests) to apply them on us first and members then *personal opinion and ideals I got*

Simply some members DONT respect themselves so how do U expect us to respect them in our actions if they were warned 300 times before for the same wrong doing over and over????

Am here to have fun...learn, kick any negatives away...and gain what is positive...am NOT here to pamper Babies and bottle fed some 20 to 50 years old members!! ;).....

This issue wont reach to a conculusive constricive ideas (am SURE)...But its fun to see members responses and opinions ;)
In the END
my golden quotes again:
Sabla is Not a country
and
Ya cant satisfy every one ;)

Okay for this thread to be beneficial, I will try to become more friendly and if it does not work, I guess I will act the way I see fit. Then no one can complain! :p

And by the way Dark Project, by my own admission I'm more compassionate toward the Non-Muslims members than the Muslim ones. They're the minority and many of them are attacked/insulted/offended/disrespected in relation to their religion. We do try to be fair to both sides but with a little more compassion for the non-Muslims and yes I do salute them on their tolerance - truly! We gain so much insight from them and I will be happy if Muslim members respect their views even if it contradicts with your own. This does not mean that Non-Muslim members who're insulting do not go unpunished.

Sorry to whomever was angry with my actions, but I don't regret taking any of them. As others said, I can't satisfy all of the members participating in a thread I happen to moderate :shy:

Mashallah... lots been said... most of it is funny.. Especially what Shinoda sugguested about Nabhan. It coming from him makes it amusingly expected.

Overall, as most of the mods mentioned, the team tries to do their best to Moderate that will never satisfy everyone in one time. At times it will for some and in other times it will for others. It's a responsibility we took and inshallah -In Allah's will- we will keep trying our best to satisfy that responsibility as much as possible.

Hey..I know what kind of headache being a mod comes with.. But who said I'm complaining! ;) I love every bit of it!

Btw, what you and Shino said about NaBHaN is rather unfair..
I would say the reason behind you guys thinking he is involved in 3 out of 4 issues dealing with member-mod issues is only because he is the only one who dares to speak out bluntly! Seriously.. So he gets the beating..?:lift:



That's the spirit! :sabla:- er... Not about the banning and deleting though..

Good to know Blind Melon :) ...

As for Nabhan I merely said it in a Jokefull way and I wonder why you have judge us by been unfair !!:os .. as for Shino he had voiced his opinion and every member is entitled for one and I know Nabhan is capable of giving an answer which he did and it was a good one .. We just voice our opinion and you got to take it or leave it period . Right Shino ;)...
We do not want to topple the Admin ;) or topple the MODS we are trying to give suggestions so please dont be defensive dear ...

Now DD you are the Man and thats the Spirit .. Thug Get some coffee Gosh for a while I thought you were the President of Sabla City ;) LOOOOOL

Good to know Blind Melon :) ...

As for Nabhan I merely said it in a Jokefull way and I wonder why you have judge us by been unfair !!:os .. as for Shino he had voiced his opinion and every member is entitled for one and I know Nabhan is capable of giving an answer which he did and it was a good one .. We just voice our opinion and you got to take it or leave it period . Right Shino ;)...
We do not want to topple the Admin ;) or topple the MODS we are trying to give suggestions so please dont be defensive dear ...

oh lol.. Ofcourse you have the right to voice your opinions but so do we.. I wasn't being defensive at all, I was just saying..And Shino knows! ;)

here's the problem with members... they talk and judge the mods out of the blue without even knowing what's going on behind the scenes...
firstly, when you say most of the probs are between the members and nabhan... you fail to see that the moderation in this team is not nabhan's decision alone... so again that argument is nonsense...

I just think that as long as the members are dignified the mods will co-operate...


yet coming down to the point... DP... what exactly is it that you want from them to do?

DP owes me a cup of coffea thats why he opened this thread :D
right Dark Project :)
soo No constructive suggestions so far that are new :)

^^ Ooh can I come too?! I owe you a cup of coffee too remember! You and Blossom! lol

Hey, I wasn't trying to stir up an argument. Like DP said, I was just saying what I thought would be the right way to go. And regarding Nabhan, I agree that members push him to the brink of frustration and like anyone else, he bites back. I would do the same and matter of fact, thats how I have been when I was a mod/super-mod... even towards some fellow mods.

Blindy, yep you're entitled to your opinion as well and fair or not, that was my opinion and of course its very expected that all mods would stand up for each other no matter what and some members, the opposite. Its all good though... besides, what fun would sabla be if all members were mod-kiss-***** type. :p

Thugy, other than for creating sub-sablas and tagging new emoticons, has there ever been "constructive suggestions" by members? Makes me wonder if they only get called "constructive" if mods/admins agree... =)

DD, glad to finally tap on your neanderthal sense of humor.

No kaufee for moi? :(

here's the problem with members... they talk and judge the mods out of the blue without even knowing what's going on behind the scenes...
firstly, when you say most of the probs are between the members and nabhan... you fail to see that the moderation in this team is not nabhan's decision alone... so again that argument is nonsense...

I just think that as long as the members are dignified the mods will co-operate...


yet coming down to the point... DP... what exactly is it that you want from them to do?

Weeeeeee Cool down TTT and read again my posts and you will see its not Nonsense :Shock: ...As I said We Know what the Mod's go through and I gosh I am not going to re-type what I said just read before you draw your guns TTT . Are you planning to become a MOD ;) LOL ? Do I smell new MOD on the Way :shy:

^^ trust me bro... I was in my coolest state when I wrote that :p...lol

nah, I am curious... I read most of the posts and what I got so far was...
you want mods to be more friendly, just, assisting, supportive etc etc... and a member...
you said they shouldn't abuse their power... yes...
what i would say is not abusing it... but using it according to their judgements.
just like me directing a play... I told everyone what to do and how to act and they labeled me as bossy... they didn't see that as per my job... I HAVE to be bossy...
same with the mods... in order to get the members to listen to them they have to take measures... and trust me when I say... not every member is co-operative... so you're asking them to step down and let those members roam around as they please?... no... wouldn't be a good Idea now would it?... would cause chaos if the forum was left to over 3000 members...

I see there were complaints about certain mods... I haven't visited the religion sec... but perhaps one could link an example of how lym abused it?

Specify your complaints with the exact examples... not complain about which of the team ain't good enough and bla bla... if anything they're doing this job for you...

oh no... you smell nothing but mere arguments DP... :p :hmm:

It was this that made him start this thread and this is taken from Muslims X Jews :


Please please stay within topic, I'd hate deleting anymore posts but I will be forced to if it continues after my warning.

Nicobambi, you know you could post in this thread as long as you answer the question in this thread without commenting solely on the thread and the author's motive. You can easily answer why do you think Muslim hate or don't hate Jews Zionist because of our posts in this thread.

Dark Project commented :


Come on let people express what they want to say as long as they are talking about the same subject Lym .. Everything is connected some how .. Sabla is a place to express your opinion .. I really dont like this dictatorship or control by showing that a Mod could delete any post... and where did he go wrong ? let us feel free .. Yes you can delete or warn when some one insults directly another member or say something or disrespect others religion not only Islam .. A debate is good to understand eachothers opinion ...

I replied to his comment:

I'm trying to, but this turned into a debate between what Islam did wrong. That's not the topic. We'd millions of discussion about this and it's repeated over and over again. According to the author his topic is why do Muslims hate or don't hate Zionist Jews/Jews? Tha's all.

True everything is connected but what has fabricated video have to do with this discussion. Anyways, I'm being flexible but then if it takes a direction too far from this thread, then it is either going to be deleted or another thread will be opened for the diverted topic.

I don't dictate but I am trying to keep this thread serving its purpose. Thank you Anyways this is all off topic. Anyone who has anything to say about this, PM me. Don't reply here or it will be deleted.

And then he initiated this thread. I deleted all those posts from that because we're sorting it out here already and it was spoiling the thread.

^^... I barely believe that shows anything about taking sides... does it DP?...
her points were clear... either stick to the topic or open another one regarding YOUR topic... one way or another... you are free to talk about what you want as long as it's within your circle and not spoiling someone else's.

It's not abuse... just a way of keeping things in order...
I think we have that fairly explained.

for what it's worth i think lym is doing a great job in moderating religion sabla..and the members should really thank her for it because it takes alot of patience and hard work to keep that place in order.

^^... I barely believe that shows anything about taking sides... does it DP?...
her points were clear... either stick to the topic or open another one regarding YOUR topic... one way or another... you are free to talk about what you want as long as it's within your circle and not spoiling someone else's.

It's not abuse... just a way of keeping things in order...
I think we have that fairly explained.


No taking sides here TTT and I am not complaining I was suggesting I repeat suggesting !!! After all this is a Thread Called Suggestion thread right ? eh ! And it should be taken positively ... It seems that you all rub one another’s back as if some one has pin pointed at MOD's and they want to justify their actions .. I am just saying there are better choice of words ..

For an example : Hey Guys dont you think you are off the topic :) with a smile ..
Or Come on dont make me kick some lines out I sense there is a bit friction and we are way out of the topic !!
Lets get back to what we have been discussing !!

Or the Best line " Guys SABLA RULES " and you state it !!
I mean in a jolly way ... Unless its totally out of line then you just go and delete and state Sabla rules by saying "you can PM me "!!

Again SUGGESTIONS !!

For an example : Hey Guys dont you think you are off the topic :) with a smile ..
Or Come on dont make me kick some lines out I sense there is a bit friction and we are way out of the topic !!
Lets get back to what we have been discussing !!

Or the Best line " Guys SABLA RULES " and you state it !!
I mean in a jolly way ... Unless its totally out of line then you just go and delete and state Sabla rules by saying "you can PM me "!!


I kept on doing that in many threads!!! check post your adult pix thread!!!
this jolly nice smile dont work unfourtionatly with MANY members. Rules are clear now...give a notice once! but right to delete and edit is still preseved regardless...
as I said...pampering 20-- to 50 years old members isnt our work here :cutenote::mushroom::sunsmile:

I can be considered the MOST calm mod around...YET my brushy approach isnt appreicated I noticed ..so YES I support Team total current approach as per Sabla rules :flag: LONG LIVE SABLA LONG LIVE OMAN LOL

OK OK :) Done and this thread should be locked ;) .. Thank you for your patience ... Dp Has spoken

^ your wish is my command..

Locked :cute: