View Full Version : Croissant's History


Riahy
07-08-06, 09:12 PM
Hello everyone. This is the first topic i put other than the Pics one, hope it is well.

I found some info on another Qatari forum, and this is it . CLICK (http://forum.frsanq.com/showthread.php?t=6131) , It's in arabic and it has the source.

Anyway, here is the source, CLICK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croissant)

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once I saw and read it, I didn't know what to say ...

STING
07-08-06, 09:53 PM
I think croissant was first made in Romania. Right? :os

NicoBambi
07-08-06, 09:59 PM
ahah i wasnt sure u were talking about that in ur first link but the 2nd prove me i was right ...
what do u want to talk abt ? :p
croissant rocks all the way :D
love my french croissant :6:

Origin

Fanciful stories of how the pastry was created are modern culinary legends. These include tales that it was invented in Poland to celebrate the defeat of a Muslim invasion at the decisive Battle of Tours by the Franks in 732, with the shape representing the Islamic crescent; that it was invented in Vienna in 1683 to celebrate the defeat of the Turkish siege of the city, as a reference to the crescents on the Turkish flags, when bakers staying up all night heard the tunneling operation and gave the alarm; a version that is supported by the fact that croissants in French Language are referred to as Viennoiserie (a Romanian version is partially referenced in the movie The Terminal); tales linking croissants with the kifli and the siege of Buda in 1686; and those detailing Marie Antoinette's hankering after a Viennese specialty. Alan Davidson, editor of the Oxford Companion to Food states that no printed recipe for the present-day croissant appears in any French recipe book before the early 20th century; the earliest French reference to a croissant he found was among the "fantasy or luxury breads" in Payen's Des substances alimentaires, 1853.

===>>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Croissants.jpg (i'm hungry now :p)

MorphaKnight
09-08-06, 01:14 AM
and how is this breaking news exactly? 0_o

I never thought a piece of pastry could have such a unique history.

hey that rhymes! :p

Arabian Princess
09-08-06, 01:20 AM
and would eating it do? make us worse than what we are?

We should stop concentrating on breads and misquitos and concentrate on whats really wrong with our side of the world :(

Riahy
12-08-06, 02:27 PM
that's not the thing ... this is something i found and thought of sharing, but than be left eating something that has such a history. that's all ... and to show what level we reached, eating stuff that make them write history of our defeat in our face.

anyway, the point of this is .. knowing this before eating, that's all. better than not being said

Arabian Princess
12-08-06, 02:29 PM
I am not asking you why did you post it, I am just saying that we as a muslim nation concentrate more in whats the history was than what we do right now .. just a point of view ..

Riahy
12-08-06, 02:39 PM
We learn from history ... and I agree with you on the that.

nezitiC
12-08-06, 03:08 PM
This is an explanation.

It's an interesting story. Is it true? Alan Davidson, noted food historian, expresses his doubts:

"Culinary mythology--origin of the croissant
According to one of a group of similar legends, which vary only in detail, a baker of the 17th century, working through the night at a time when his city (either Vienna in 1683 or Budapest in 1686) was under siege by the Turks, heard faint underground rumbling sounds which, on investigation, proved to be caused by a Turkish attempt to invade the city by tunnelling under the walls. The tunnel was blown up. The baker asked no reward other than the exclusive right to bake crescent-shaped pastries commemorating the incident, the crescent being the sympol of Islam. He was duly rewarded in this way, and the croissant was born. The story seems to owe its origin, or at least its wide diffusion, to Alfred Gottschalk, who wrote about the croissant for the first edition of the Larousse Gastronomique [1938] and there gave the legend in the Turkish attack on Budapest in 1686 version; but on the history of food, opted for the 'siege of Vienna in 1683' version."--Oxford Comapion to Food, Alan Davidson [Oxford Companion to Food:Oxford] 1999 (p. 232)

While the history of pastry dates back to ancient times, the history of the croissant [as we know it today], seems to be a relatively new invention. Part of the problem may be how one defines "croissant." Food history sources confirm that crescent-shaped pastries were baked in Vienna during the 17th century and that they migrated to France soon thereafter. They recount, but do not confirm/deny the story of the brave bakers who supposedly created the first croissants. This is what Mr. Davidson has to say:

"...croissant in its present form does not have a long history...The earliest French reference to the croissant seems to be in Payen's book "Des substances alimentaires," published in 1853. He cites, among the "Pains dit de fantasie ou de luxe," not only English 'muffins' but 'les croissants'. The term appears again, ten years later, in the great Littre dictionary [1863] where it is defined as 'a little crescent-shaped bread or cake'. Thirteen years later, Husson in "Les Consommations de Paris" [1875] includes 'croissants for coffee' in a list of 'ordinary' (as opposed to 'fine') pastry goods. Yet no trace of a recipe for croissants can be found earlier than that given by Favre in his Dictionnaire universel de cuisine [c. 1905], and his recipe bears no resemblance to the modern puff pastry concoction; it is rather an oriental pastry made of pounded almonds and sugar. Only in 1906, in Colombie's Nouvelle Encyclopedie culinaire, did a true croissant, and its development into a national symbol of France, is a 20th-century history."
---Oxford Companion to Food (p. 228) [Click (http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodbreads.html#croissants)]