Long time back, I had once a discussion with a friend about how people discuss or argue about different issues. Like in a meeting, when two different teams meet and need to come to an agreement on a work plan or on how a certain work implementation should take place.

The main point I want to discuss in this thread is the follow: "A liar always wins". In a way or another the truth will prevail and the rightous side will be known. But that isnt the point here.

The point is, if we have to deal with such liars that keep twisting and turning every single fact to their favour. Especially if proof of facts were not present at that time. What will you do?

- Do you agree/disagree with the quote? (based on the above scenario)

- How will you deal with such person?

- Why do you think such people tend to lie even though that eventually they will be fall into the hole of lies they made? (Is it runaway of responsibility technique?)


Lets read what you think...

I belive they win only in the begining but as the saying states "Liyng Rop is short" :p the truth gonna be revealed sooner or later.

To me it is all about self respect not wininng a stupid discussion....

Liars win in the beginning and lose in the end... the opposite is true with honest ones...

so in other words I agree with el7ilwa.

Sometimes it's just difficult to face the truth or to admit to ones faults which leads to lying and in order to prove that lie they end up lying some more. I think it's some sort of weakness and insecurity in the person which needs to be taken care of before falling in a hole u'd never be able to climb out of.

They might have their temporary 'victory' but I truely believe that in the end they WILL fall flat on their face and loose.

Do you agree/disagree with the quote?

disagree

How will you deal with such person?

try to show that i already know that he/she is lying :rolleyes: if it didn't work i might face him/her if the lies were becoming unbearable :mmhmm:
but if nothing helped i'd probably ignore..in the long run the truth will be revealed :duh:

Why do you think such people tend to lie even though that eventually they will be fall into the hole of lies they made?

originally posted by NaBHaN
I think it's some sort of weakness and insecurity in the person

exactly..
they tend to lie just to make themselves look good in others eye..or to just win a debate :rolleyes:

- Do you agree/disagree with the quote? (based on the above scenario)

I slightly agree....they usually win in the beginning.

- How will you deal with such person?

If he/she was my friend, I'd avoid him/her..and end the relationship. If I was their boss, I'd fire them :D

- Why do you think such people tend to lie even though that eventually they will be fall into the hole of lies they made? (Is it runaway of responsibility technique?)

Yes, it is a run away, and...I've crossed many ppl, who lie jus to make some action in a relationship...I swear, they just do it for fun, because they get bored and need some action...for some ppl, it's an illness, many ppl always have to lie about the silliest things..specially when they're insecure and have weak personalities.

Not always

They kind of winning at first and at the end of the day truth will sure win.

Sometimes they tend to fix mistakes with more lies and this when the end be more difficult for them to handle.


I think it's some sort of weakness and insecurity in the person

Right.... and this is a good presenting of their personality to others to know excalty who are these people are !!

I don't think Liars can ever win unless the person on the other side is extremely stupid, weak, has no personality and is incapable of thinking on his own. In short, a LOSER.

And if that is not the case, I think one must first be smart enough to realise what is the meaning of lying and whether the so called Liar side is actually lying.

Anyhow, in order to better judge, we will need some examples to prove our points. But in general, the Liars should not win. Of course, he we must define and understand what "WIN" means.

Do you agree/disagree with the quote?

disagree

How will you deal with such person?

try to show that i already know that he/she is lying :rolleyes: if it didn't work i might face him/her if the lies were becoming unbearable :mmhmm:
but if nothing helped i'd probably ignore..in the long run the truth will be revealed :duh:

In most cases it's not you who needs to or believe that person is lying since you already know so. The person is conviencing others not you that he/she is the rightous one and your the one at fault.

- Do you agree/disagree with the quote? (based on the above scenario)
Disagree

- How will you deal with such person?
Call the deal off

- Why do you think such people tend to lie even though that eventually they will be fall into the hole of lies they made? (Is it runaway of responsibility technique?)
Because they just cant stop lieng, it runs in their blood

STING: An example was given. But more details about is that out of each team there is one person responsible. And lets say person A did his/her work fine, while person B didnt finish his/her work properly.

Now in such meeting, the above are the facts, but only those two know about it for sure as in there is no place for doubts. So now in the meeting person B claims his/her work is done. but because of person A the work itself is not properly complete. Other people in the meeting will not really know who is lying and who is saying the truth, so there a conflict takes place.

Based on this example, the focus here is the lying person. I dont really know how you can conclude that the rightous person is a LOSER...

By winning, it's the discussion / arguement at that particular time.

- Do you agree/disagree with the quote? (based on the above scenario)
Disagree

- How will you deal with such person?
Call the deal off

It's not in your hand to call it off. You and that person are simply implementers but not the decision makers.

I'd try to find his weakness, and attack

I'd try to find his weakness, and attack

Good idea, though I am not sure how practical it is, if its on the scenario's I mentioned above. At least for the time of the meeting.

Prepare it for the 2nd meeting

Rossonero: Which means proof of your work and that other person work right? Or you have something else on mind?

That and check any weakness to make him stop lying...

Liars are all over. I was even one of them about three years ago. Sometimes I used to lie, so I would get out of trouble. Lie, to make myself look better.

But always, at the end, truth is revealed. So, about them always winning. That might be so for the moment, untill something happens about that issue, and it'll go away.

Some lie, cause they are simply used to it for getting stuff and everything, to prove a false point. That also will be revealed at a moment.

Lieing can delay the faliure but it is coming as long as u keep lieing..

Whatever,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
the Lies has no legs and in any day will what is reveald.....................

Its Unfortunately International liars Always WIN..:angry:

Criminal Jews state They have been lying for the last 50yrs since then they have been lying up till to date...:yuk:

Based on this example, the focus here is the lying person. I dont really know how you can conclude that the rightous person is a LOSER...

By winning, it's the discussion / arguement at that particular time.

If you do have to face such people than I think it will be smart to prepare the relevant facts and answers for his lies. If you fail to convince than you better not complaint at all. It is your responsibility to defend yourself.

However, sometimes there are times where you can't be ready, in those cases, you should retreat and then when you are ready, prove that you were RIGHT all along.

Sting: That makes sense, but again you are not focusing your opinion on the liar.

STING: An example was given. But more details about is that out of each team there is one person responsible. And lets say person A did his/her work fine, while person B didnt finish his/her work properly.

Now in such meeting, the above are the facts, but only those two know about it for sure as in there is no place for doubts. So now in the meeting person B claims his/her work is done. but because of person A the work itself is not properly complete. Other people in the meeting will not really know who is lying and who is saying the truth, so there a conflict takes place.




DD,

Its not unnatural that liar could win at one occasion/meeting, nd the honest on particular cases shouldn’t blame himself a lot, cus he is only part of the loop , and final decision is within is with the boss/judge..
For some works there are always cetain key performance rating for each part of the project and that’s where both A and B measured against.. and the main two parts of that is quantity and quality.. if quantity is measurable and both came to same point, than quality will be left and there the ‘turning point’…. So there the boss deal

But,
The problem is if this gets repeated. Now, the part of the blame should be put on the 'honest', cus he didn’t make his case clear with supporting document and didn’t make the required effort to prove so... so why complaining :p

.. what i have recently agreed on that dealing with matters require some sort of cunning with some of double-dealing!! and i agreed on that because now days even if u r 100% right ppl wouldnt give u ur right and wouldnt deal with u with fairness!!

.. if liying is required try to be smart!!

.. how to deal with such a person.. omanies says: أتبع الكذاب لرز الباب or follow the lair tell the door step!! lol

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.. how to deal with such a person.. omanies says: أتبع الكذاب لرز الباب or follow the lair tell the door step!! lol

According to that saying

On reality, do u know where is that door step !! :D

Sting: That makes sense, but again you are not focusing your opinion on the liar.

I really don't know how can I focus on the liar. A liar is a liar just as a hypocrite is a hypocrite. You can't stop people from being liars. The only problem I see in your story is with the person who is taken on a ride in those meetings.

One needs to be stronger, wiser and more responsible to defend the truth. TO defend himself.

According to that saying

On reality, do u know where is that door step !! :D

.. u dont but the lair will lead u to it lol.

- Do you agree/disagree with the quote? (based on the above scenario)
I kinda agree.

- How will you deal with such person?
If there are no facts that'd prove the person is lying so, then I guess, I wouldn't be able to do anything and actually believe the person if he/she was the type who present themselves well with their lies!

- Why do you think such people tend to lie even though that eventually they will be fall into the hole of lies they made? (Is it runaway of responsibility technique?)
Because it's their time.. and then eventually the time will come when truth will be revealed one way or another.

do i agree to that qoute, no, cuz there is sometimes when the lies is proved to be lies, he or she wouldnt be a winner.
i never dealed with a person who lies, but what i think to do is confronting them and be careful to not make them feel trapped, cuz he or she will lead to the lying path again.
because lying would be like making an other truth that they can control for their benefit or possibly safety

hmm i don't believe the quote as well, because it's the excat opposit...because a person would start a lie, and may win in the beginning, but how long could they keep it up?