I was wondering..

Do you think, it's ok if we mix between religion and politics?, like..make our political decisions depending on the religious ones?

I was wondering..

Do you think, it's ok if we mix between religion and politics?, like..make our political decisions depending on the religious ones?

no comment:os

huh?
What's so freaky:os?

Don't you know when Bush decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq it was because his god told him to do so?! :p

In my view, both are closely related although many today try to seperate the two. Specially in "modern" governments.

Don't you know when Bush decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq it was because his god told him to do so?! :p

How did i 4get that, silly me:XD:

In my view, both are closely related although many today try to seperate the two. Specially in "modern" governments.

So, U think we should? is it a good thing?

Is that what they call it 3ilmaniah?

I agree with STING that politics and religion are "closely related". As a matter for fact, all of the islamic sects are politically founded and all of the differences are due to politics rather than islamic teachings. Also religion has been used as a political tool for a very long time.

It is not a matter of mixing both, but the possibility of separating them. Sometimes it is even harder to figure if an action is politically or religiously based.

Politics (Also Science) withought religion is blind, religion is one of its bases.

So, U think we should? is it a good thing?

I personally think we should be ruled based on our religion. I am not sure if that is possible with other religions. But Islamic countries should certainly be ruled based on Islamic teachings.

U mean like Iran for example? and what about the "christian" countires , should they do this too?

I personally think we should be ruled based on our religion. I am not sure if that is possible with other religions. But Islamic countries should certainly be ruled based on Islamic teachings.
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You are being an idealist, which isn't bad, but how can you implement islamic rulings.

What exactly are the islamic political ruling and can all of them be used unquestionably in these days. Personally, I prefer being ruled a secular country (not an extreme one like Tunisia and france) rather than being ruled by an islamic country. Actually there is no such thing as an islamic country so I can't compare between the two countries.

You can manage alcohol, prostitution and such acts, but what about cigarets, beards, bank interests, insurance and country relations. There will also be the questions of extreme rulings, like women driving cars and compulsory hijab.
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I agree....on many things, I'd like to have the choice.

i don't think it's a good idea better not mix them...

im not gonna talk about other religions i'll just say what i think about it in islam..

first of all we are supposed to mix'em :rolleyes:

coz allah gave us islam as a whole complete life system..politically socially, etc..

separating them is called globalization..which i don't think is good (point of view) coz in life we have so many rules and things that is related to our religion and we are supposed to apply them..for example stealing..Allah told us to cut thieves hands..and allah knows better so when allah say cut the hand you cut the hand you don't go putting them in cells for a year or so :rolleyes:

I don't think religion should be mixed with politics because then eventually there WILL be a corrupt leader who will use religion as justification for doing whatever he wants to further gain power, wealth, etc. That's how Roman emperors managed to stay powerful for so long, by deifying themselves, as well as the monarch of England before the separation of church and state.

But I also think that politics shouldn't be a godless procedure, there needs to be a balance.

Guys, I think I am lost. Are we discussing the use of politics to make religious decisions and vise-versa or are we discussing Secularism vs Religion in government rulings? I don't know if you will understand what I mean. Actually, I am not sure if I do. I just hope someone will understand and explain the difference.

I know guys that it sounds bad and probably unrealistic. But I can't see a single non-Islamic giovernment that is successful in the long term. Muslims are too attached to teir religion unlike others. It is only the religion that can bring about their eventual best.

Iran does not have an Islamic government nor did Afghanistan. To be honest, I can't recall a single government!

When I say Islamic government, I don't mean one with a scholar as the leader. I simply mean one where all the ruling are made based on Islamic teachings. Specially those related to the social issues.

While I would support that we should be ruled based on our morals, I'd have to say that due to the ignorance of many muslims, many sects/ideologies/beliefs/dogmas I would have to say that they should seperate them. The reason so is aside from the rise of a corrupted leader, each sect or belief will try to spoonfeed the public and tell them they have the "one true religion" and extremists will denounce other ones even if they are moderate and claim that they are infidels.

Back during the golden age of Islam, I would have supported the mixing of politics and religion simply because it was a great civilisation where they were pursueing ways to better their societies and science, politics and religion went hand in hand...there were also few sects.

Fast forward to now and you have people argueing which foot to use to step into the bathroom, whom is the one true religion or what prayer they should recite when they do so and so.. and its quite pathetic in my opinion, simply because they're argueing over simple petty things that the past civilizations could care less of and were focusing on much more important things.

Is that what they call it 3ilmaniah?
Yep, that is it in simple term....

I think religion is (and should be) in everything we do....
and politics is one big area where religion is playing a major role...
but applying religion in politics is rather difficult and needs a very good understanding of the concepts of religion....
Isalm is a great religion cause it covers all (and it is by the mean of all) the aspects of a man's life....

yes i think some people are stupid they say they don't support Hezbullah coz they're shia forgetting that in the days of Fatimeyeen all muslims shias and sunnas gathered under the leadership of Salahuldeen against their enemy

stay stupid Arabs go back to sleep

I don't know where I stand from this issue. And I think it's rather embarrassing that I don't. Im not a political person nor am I a very religious one.

I believe that almost all countries now go for seperating religion from politics, but all wars and conflicts happening now are because OF RELIGION.. So no one really is going by "3ilmania" right? :os

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Whats the meaning of the word in English?

Whats the meaning of the word in English?

Secularism. So this thread is about secularism, not how has religion been used for political benefits.

personally i never thought religion is the problem.. Its the people who control religion that make it seem unpure.. I mean back in the very old days muslims, jews and christians trusted one another and were not as hostile towards one another as they are now.

I say rid the world from the sheikhs or "scholars", priests and rabbi's along with ones who take everything to the extreme (conservative or liberal)

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Max Payne again.
Thanks :cute:

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So this thread is about secularism, not how has religion been used for political benefits.

Well.. I suppose they're interrelated. From what we see around us nowadays, and as Max Payne mentioned using religion for political benefits, I think it's impossible to SEPERATE between politics and religion. They wil always conflict..

Politics (Also Science) withought religion is blind, religion is one of its bases.


Strongly agree....
I too believe that they R connected....

Look back on the days of Prophet Mohd - :PBUH: - whenever he went to war or had any politics decetions regarding Quraish or others, he would ALWAYS implement Religious rules to it... not only that... every single things.. marriage, trading...etc

This is how always its suppose to be... but our current Arab/Muslim Rules of the world seem 2 4get this point....

I was wondering..

Do you think, it's ok if we mix between religion and politics?, like..make our political decisions depending on the religious ones?


.. there is no problem if we "relate" religion n politics.. but make decisions according to situations more than depending on religion!!

although im not a politics type of person i strongly beleieve that both relegion n politics r in contect ..


for excapmle.. look at all the wars that are happing ? they r all agaist muslims.. most ! whenevr some none muslims feel that an islamic country may be at stength ( iraq - afghanestan ) they try to break it down..
ok let's go bk with time.. since the day of prophit muhammad PBUH metinaries were send to fight agisnt muslims in the islamic world.. which was 1 country then n i agree with Sting that all muslims should be leaded by 1 leader.. it'll make us stronger.. most of the wars were just to invaid the muslims relegion.. even when the islamic world was cut into seperate counties it's main goal was to weeken the islamic country n make each person say im soudi or omani or iraqi n that im better or your better n hate each other secretly!

But, if ur country had an Islamic government, I mean...like Iran or Afghanistan, many things will be forced on you...and, I personally, don't like to be forced to do something....and, time is changing, we can't live the same way we did ages ago...I don't know..it's complex.

Religion is the base of politics these days. Plus, it is the spark that ignites the fire to Politics sometimes.

Nice to see such a good thread.
Politics and Religion are two different concepts under the modern state.
Emergence of modern state has changed lots of values.
Religion is your own affair, personal matter.
Politics is a method that guide your state policy, state economy.
There is no Islamic country in the world that run on the base of Quarn and Sunna.

Both of them are related to each other and in face all religion are part from politics in all countries ( either fully or partly )

Just take a look at what is happening in the world now, each single war is basid on religion ( Islam, Christian, Jew ) !!! and each balm is pointed to the religion first then the politics !!

I know guys that it sounds bad and probably unrealistic. But I can't see a single non-Islamic giovernment that is successful in the long term. Muslims are too attached to teir religion unlike others. It is only the religion that can bring about their eventual best.

Iran does not have an Islamic government nor did Afghanistan. To be honest, I can't recall a single government!

When I say Islamic government, I don't mean one with a scholar as the leader. I simply mean one where all the ruling are made based on Islamic teachings. Specially those related to the social issues.


Couldn't agree more !!!