on some members(admin and mods included), I have noticed that the total post dosnt reflect the actual number of posts minus the number of post made in Members Trivia.

im suspecting it due to the upgrads that were done long time ago .. since the posts are lost or hidden why is the system still count those.

something should be done ,,, either correct the system to reflect the actual number of posts or restore those hidden/lost posts.

Appart from the post that have been lost with the 2002 upgrade the rest of the posts which you couldn't find are still around but within our hidden section. I hope it's clear to u now that there is no error in the system.

but what if i want to read those 5000 posts of urs.. if i cant then it shouldnt be counted ,,

why are posts made in the Members Trivia not counted ??
From now on , posts made in this sub sabla will NOT be counted towards your total posts. The # of Posts a member had should be and indication of how active he/she is along with the quality of his/her posts , and to be honest posting in games where you have to type one or two words just to get your posts up does not make you the greatest member.

This is for the best and sorry for any inconvenience .

from that quote, we should apply the same rule on the hidden posts. Since we cant even read those post .. they are there only to increase the number of total posts.

yeah i gotta say i totally agree with the professor on this 1. he's got a pretty strong case :)

some members will say "get a life man" and i'll agree with them on this. :bored:

Miss G ,,, thanks 4 the support ...

for the ppl who missed the first thread that was locked
here is the link
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40013

The members might not be able to read them but we (The team) can. Those posts are important decisions that are being made on day to day basis for this forum..they can in no way be compared to the 'trivia' sabla which contain silly tag games and hi , hello , good morning posts.

Anyways..this is nothing new really and its being done in all online forums.

let me guess those hidden post were posted between jun 2001 and may 2002 in all of the sections in sabla. if u search sabla u wont find any post between those dates but surprisingly u will find plenty of empty threads but the number of reply are greater than or equel to 0 !!!. guess where those hidden post belong to (non other than the empty threads)

here are a few important empty threads i found that contains important hidden posts.. i would love to read a few of them too bad i aint a mod .


how to say I Love u in 100 languages! (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2034) contains 3 hidden posts (thanks thugy for starting this important thread :D )

a joke on skin graft... (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1825) contains 3 hidden posts

I'm Coming Back!! (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1781) contains 20 hidden posts

anyways if those posts are really important to u and the team then i guess its fine by me. case closed i guess.

btw i wonder how many forums have those empty threads with hidden posts.


im out

err..I don't think u understood what i meant by hidden posts. :os , I am talking about the moderators posts in the admins and mods hidden forum. I am not talking at all about the corrupted threads that were started b4 may 2002... thats a totaly different case.

Nabhan, I am not sure if Professor is talking about all the hidden posts that members can't directly access (like those written daily by the mods in the Moderation and Administration Sabla)...or if he is talking about all the posts that were lost due to the upgrade or change of server?

I understood that he is refering to the second part. It seems that he would suggest the admin to deduct all unreadable (or lost) posts for every single account! View the fact that since 2001 the Sabla counts hundreds of members, it seems a very long and painful task....+ without forgeting that you will have to be great in math to calculate all that :)

as i said this problem dosnt affect only mods but also old members.. how can old members post in admins and mods hidden forum !!!. Look at normal members .. take icetea for example.. he has a couple of 1000 hidden posts ... he never once been a mod

anyways just wanted to show the admins/mods that there is a problem with the total posts .. its up to them to do what ever they want ,,,

x-press its not a coplex calculatetion ... how did i get NaBHaNs actual posts without the hidden posts !!!!!!

im out

Professor..

Thus you have valid point here I too have suffered a lot with Old Mods.. :color: where they would use their Absolute power to delete any of thread without a warning..:) In short you will never WIN with Mods..:) :)

^^^ i know its a hopeless case ... but at lest i hope ppl notice whats really going on ...

seriously i dont care about the number of posts ... surprisingly if we dont count those hidden post guess who will be the top poster ,,, icetea ... so officially he should be sablas top poster.

Lost posts, but doesn't that mean that those members did post them? Which means they are counted the only problem is they are not there anymore. So why deduct the effort of all these posts? To make numbers right? But arent numbers there to represent the # of posts a member made despite what is readable or not.

I think this is not an issue to be bothered about. Let's see what the admins decide about it.

Thanks for ur comments ... but if we to follow ur rule then we should also count those posts made in Members Trivia.. they put an effort in posting in that sabla ,,, at lest we might learn something there .. but how would we learn from something that is not there. !!!


From now on , posts made in this sub sabla will NOT be counted towards your total posts. The # of Posts a member had should be and indication of how active he/she is along with the quality of his/her posts , and to be honest posting in games where you have to type one or two words just to get your posts up does not make you the greatest member.

This is for the best and sorry for any inconvenience .
can someone explain the reason why they created the above rule..

As explained, Trivia Sabla is as its called Trivia. And since Sabla is more of a discussion board then a Trivia board; then those trivial posts are not considered in the count.

Why do we have a Trivia section/Sabla? It's for light entertainment to all those different type of members we have in Sabla. Simple...

^^ but still those lost post have no value whats so over ,, even if u compare them to those Trivia posts... they are there simply to increass the number of posts

how can old members post in admins and mods hidden forum !!!.Professor, you confuse me a bit :think: ... [b]No member can post in the Administration Sabla (which is hidden).[/b[ Only the mods open their own threads and reply there. It is a private section for them only where they discuss daily Sabla matters and make decisions. Previous mods could also post but only when they had the title. As soon as they became member again the could no longer access that particular Sabla.

Look at normal members .. take icetea for example.. he has a couple of 1000 hidden posts ... he never once been a modIf you are now talking about unreadable posts written in year 2000-2001-2002 by anyone who was registered at this time, it is only due to a change of server or a Sabla upgrade. It is unfortunate that we can't read them, but there is nothing the admin can do to retrieve them. I understood that though they are unreachable, they are still dormant somewhere (unless I am wrong).

Conclusion: Even if we might no longer be able to access these very old posts, this doesn't mean that members did not put the effort to write them in the past. Because they did and because these posts did exist at a time, their owners should still get the credit for it.

I hope it is a bit more clear now :).

prof: They arent there to increase anything, cause they have already been there all along. Their value was in them being made.

If this was based on some bug in the count then I totally agree. But it's not a bug, we know exactly what is the count and where are the posts. And the rest I explained.

Professor, you confuses me a bit :think: ... No member can post in the Administration Sabla (which is hidden). Only the mods open their own threads and reply there. It is a private section for them only where they discuss daily Sabla matters and make decisions. Previous mods could also post but only when they had the title. As soon as they became member again the could no longer access that particular Sabla.

well my point was that the posts that im talking about are not those that belong to the private section.. as a proof there are normal members (not mods or admins) who have those unreadable/lost posts. they never were mods so we can conclude that they never posted in the private section.

the problem im talking about are those empty threads. they contain unreadable posts that are still counted. The post has no value what so ever to mods or normal members.. only to increass the number of posts

^^ but still those lost post have no value whats so over ,, even if u compare them to those Trivia posts... they are there simply to increass the number of postsProfessor....imagine that we take your case :).

You registered in March 2005 (so about a good year ago) and have nearly 2000 posts. You put some effort over all these months to participate in this forum via these posts and give your opinion.

Imagine that we need today to upgrade the Sabla or change the server to a better one. While making the transfer of the threads written so far, all the datas can not be read in the new server....meaning all your 2000 posts are lost. You are still an active member, so to be fair as you said, should we erase all your count and write "0 post" under your nick?

prof: They arent there to increase anything, cause they have already been there all along. Their value was in them being made.

If this was based on some bug in the count then I totally agree. But it's not a bug, we know exactly what is the count and where are the posts. And the rest I explained.
if u knew where the post are why not restore them :D ...

were there any efforts made to try to restore those posts? did u give it a try ?

We know what they represent.

About restoring, I havent personally been involved in this issue, since I am not an admin nor was I even around back then. I recall kamakazy mentioned long time back, that he tried to restore the data but it wasn't possible. Or something in that context.

Professor....imagine that we take your case :).

You registered in March 2005 (so about a good year ago) and have nearly 2000 posts. You put some effort over all these months to participate in this forum via these posts and give your opinion.

Imagine that we need today to upgrade the Sabla or change the server to a better one. While making the transfer of the threads written so far, all the datas can not be read in the new server....meaning all your 2000 posts are lost. You are still an active member, so to be fair as you said, should we erase all your count and write "0 post" under your nick?

of course ,,, if u took 200 rials from an atm and then a strong wind came by and blow ur money away and all the remains is the reciet . should the atm display ur current balance plus those 200 rials ??

how came the data before jun 01 is there and readable??

well the system is doing all the calculation ,, so if the posts are there then they will be added to the number of posts. if in case the data was lost how would the system calculate something thats not there.

but here the case is that the data is availabe , the system counts it and the empty threads shows the numbers of replies but some how dosnt display them... so im guessing there might be a chance that the posts can be retrived. in the future those posts might case a serious issue during upgrades.

What would anyone gain from adding fake numbers to their post count? :os And even if they (out of complete saddness) did, who really cares?

^^lol i love ur comment ....

anyways im out ... i only wanted to inform u guys about the problem .. and show how its unfair to count those fake posts..

Thanks for your concern prof. Though am suprised that you are considering them fake posts, despite all what have been mentioned. Anyway thats your opinion. And you do have a valid point about the condition of those posts. Perhaps the admin should look into it once again and see if anything can be done about it.

What would anyone gain from adding fake numbers to their post count? :os And even if they (out of complete saddness) did, who really cares?

those who add fake number add it to boost about it, I suppose. So, alhamdullah we do not have such a fairy tale in Sabla. Therefore, the fact that those post counts are fake is theortically impossible and practically didnt happen.

Now back to the point that they are posts based on posts that were posted by those members back then and unfortunately not accessible or avaliable anymore.

Okay..I missed alot I see.. I seriously don't get this "hidden posts" thing! Someone please explain??? So, why cant we access those posts in the threads Professor provided? (No I can't see anything) and whats the point of hidden posts!? :think:

ok... To try and get this straight... DO the posts exist or do they NOT exist???

and if or if not... why would it bother anyone? I'd like to know that... unfairness over the number of posts?...what does it determine to you? Those with bigger numbers of posts are better than the rest?
If I come up to someone and said I've over 30,000 posts in sabla, he/she is not gonna go like: wooow... you're smart or you achieved something great. It's just a number. Wherever those posts went... I personally wouldn't think it necessary to get all worked up about it.

BM and TTT: Basically back in 2001 ... we did an upgrade of the server, after that there has been a number of posts by a number of members which couldnt be seen anymore, you can find threads but they would be empty. Though before the upgrade these posts existed. So that is why the post count has them counted.

I hope this explains the mystery of the "hidden posts"

the hidden post are those post that belongs to mods and admin in their private section. this is not the problem

the lost post are those post that were lost between jun 2001 and may 2002 .
well thats a whole year worth of posts that are lost..

anyways .. it dosnt really matter to me :D .. if the admins decide to fix the problem or leave it as it is.

lol guess what... i managed to get some facts on the problem ... anyways here is the story.. the problem occured on the first of may 2002 when they upgraded from version 1.1.3 to 2.2.5. The upgrade wasnt stright forward. U had to upgrade from 1.1.3 to 1.1.6 then to 2.2.4 and finially to 2.2.5 .. guess the first upgrade went smooth but after that a problem occured and around 46000 post were lost/unreadable. guess thats the full story on those mysterious lost/unreadable posts.

Get a life

Have a bud

Whatever man

Chill out

They are only freaking posts, dude.

Am I making any friends today. :D

^^ lol look whos talking ,,, to actually go through the whole thread u definatlly need to get a life :D

Nope I didn't.. :D

This is what came through my mind so I can have a chat with you. :D

Sorry.. gtg... Need to get a life.

^^ lol . i knew u never read the whole thing cuz if u did u would see that i clearly stated that i dont give a damn about those posts in seviral posts.

lol .. only reason i said u read the whole thing is to get u back here so u can post and prove my calms are wrong ...

i guess this is a start of a new friendship :D

and I guess this means this thread is over???

yup ... unless someone whats to contuine this thread

............Done :)