Iraq is under occupation.
Iraqi’s are under occupation.
Invaders and puppets are giving them lesson, subject:, how they can be patriot?
This is the common feature of the occupier and their ally puppets.
When there was colony, ruler of the colony used to do the same.
Look back to the history, in colony who ever had opposed colony ruler by any means used to treat as insurgents, traitors.
Read the history of Asian and African country, plenty of examples can be found.
We condemn beheading, we ask not to kidnap foreigners, we never support the roadside bombing etc etc.
We shed tears when they attack Iraqi police station those who collaborating to continue the foreign occupation and part and parcel of the invaders.
Please don’t start blinking or don’t pose that you are attacked by melancholy.
These phrases are popping up by embedded media every day, all the moment "unprovoked attack," "unprovoked murder," "unprovoked killings."
Manipulating the evergreen youth conscious.
Creating division among people of the desert.
Should we believe the above highlighted phrase?
Should Iraqi’s accept the occupation, invaders and puppets?
Should Iraqi’s embraced humiliation, insult, oppression, injustice with out raising their finger against these thugs ?
Should we turn our face based on those lie?
Should we think, it is their turn, not ours?
Many more questions are there but we like to concentrate on the highlighted part, let us talk.

iraq is everything wrong with the muslim world today. i would even say that Palestine comes a distant second. the significance of Iraq is that it shows you how an entire nation can tear itself apart with a little help from foreign powers. it underlines the growing divide between different ideologies even if some would deny this. it also shows how the media can fabricate lies that are treated like truth. even those who know the truth have to deal with the lies like everybody else.

Iraq is going to be spited eventually.
Some mighty nations wants that and they are playing the key role.

You blame the occupiers>

What about the mosques being blown up by Sunni muslims?

Let's address that?

fatak

What about the mosques being blown up by Sunni muslims?

Hmm...well, do u even need an answer to your Q?

The media doesn't tell us the truth about the Wahabi Islamic nazi regime.....and their idea of Islam......at war with everyone else.
They are even supporting the Sunni death squads.....out of fear Iran's shia will take over.......

while everyone blames the liberators.........the real war goes on within Islam without notice......


PS.......Japan and Germany were defeated and occupied.......is their system of government and the lives of its citizens better off today then 60 years ago?
fatak

Hmm..well, they're all waiting for a civil war, so I believe most of the things happening are planned, those things made ppl believe all that about sunni and shia, because, in Iraq, few years ago, no one used to ask you whether u were sunni or wtever, now, they may ask u that b4 asking about ur name!

So, about the Q u asked earlier, I think...well, I'm kinda sure, no one is blowing up mosques but the US army, am sure many of u know so...they'd do anything to start a civil war!

[QUOTE=. I think...well, I'm kinda sure, no one is blowing up mosques but the US army, am sure many of u know so...they'd do anything to start a civil war![/QUOTE]

You are completely ignorant and in denial........to suggest that.

The fact is.........Al qaeda foreign fighters did it......why even bother debating it.

They are looking to keep Iraq in chaos

fatak

Hmm...and how do u know? what makes u so sure?

Well for starters, anyone who says they know 100% what is going on in Iraq from their cozy little desk (including myself) is just not living in the real world.

So, I am just like you......reading from different sources, news reports etc.

But, I am pretty sure......that if the US army did blow up mosques, it would be found out and reported.......plus what does the US gain from protracted civil war?

What does Al qaeda gain fron protracted civil war?

you see what I am getting at.........

fatak

So, I am just like you......reading from different sources, news reports etc.

fatak
Wrong! I'm Iraqi, I go there often..I don't get my info from the news, I get it from the ppl who live and work there...

and, about this qaeda thing...well, "It's said" that they have something to do with the US government, I'm not sure, but I've heard this, maybe it's not true, but who knows...even with the 9/11, many unknown things happened...and about the civi war..I'm sure many reasons are behind it, one of them is to let the Iraqi ppl make the job easier for the US army by turning themselves apart...and as u said earlier, the "media" doesn't show the truth...don't count on it to get info.

So have you noticed any things being done like building schools, hospitals etc etc by the USA government.......and you think the Al Qaeda is USA group....?

Sorry bro.......I am really sorry about what is happening in your country.

I can't say anymore about it.

Hope all goes well for the Iraqi people.....and let all the outsiders.......leave soon and let the Iraqis do it by them selves.....

Sayid fatak

Firstly, I wanna ask, u don't read other threads, do u? I'm a sis:D lol..

Anyway, no , nothing's being built..actually, they jus use the money for other stuff, nothing for the country..

And, I don't know if it's true that they're group, but since 9/11, I've been reading alot, and I found some interesting umm..I could say, interesting facts!

And thanks for what u said, what made u stop arguing tho? lol..

Anyway, thanks again.

I don't believe you ever visit Iraq since you apparently know very little about what is really hapenning there.

Ironeyes, another member, is Iraqi and can set you right on several misconceptions you have.

I don't believe you ever visit Iraq since you apparently know very little about what is really hapenning there.

I don't think you can go around... accusing people of not telling the truth... she said she goes there often..therefore, she goes there often!! no questions asked!!

I think that Iraqi's should get themselves together... and quit this civil war nonsense!! This civil war is weakening them and only making it easier for the US... to occupy and take over!!

I don't think you can go around... accusing people of not telling the truth... she said she goes there often..therefore, she goes there often!! no questions asked!!

I think that Iraqi's should get themselves together... and quit this civil war nonsense!! This civil war is weakening them and only making it easier for the US... to occupy and take over!!
I agree...

And oh, I do go there very often..hmm..do u want me to count how many times? or, U sld see my passport, this is better!

I don't debate in politics often, I jus replied bcoz he asked a Q, and I jus felt like replying...I don't fake things to show-off, when I'm not sure , I say so..on the other hand, I'm very confident with what I do know..

And, I'd love to get more info from the member u mentioned:)

"May you never satisfy a ruler" by Imam Husayn http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i96/HitmanCalgary/as.gif

Those people are still there in Iraq to whom the Imam addressed the above quotation

You seem to believe that I cannot have my own opinion.

I said I did not believe you, and that is my right to do so .

You might be going to Iraq or you might not.

I can choose to believe that you do not.

Me going to Iraq is not an issue u know...anyway, true, it's ur right to believe what u wanna believe.., I jus don't see the point of lying, why would I claim that?

^^ the guy's out looking for an argument!!!

hitman.. very well said...!!!


I don't debate in politics often, I jus replied bcoz he asked a Q, and I jus felt like replying...I don't fake things to show-off, when I'm not sure , I say so..on the other hand, I'm very confident with what I do know..


And you have every right to... thanks for your opinion!!!

Firstly, I wanna ask, u don't read other threads, do u? I'm a sis:D lol..

Anyway, no , nothing's being built..actually, they jus use the money for other stuff, nothing for the country..

And, I don't know if it's true that they're group, but since 9/11, I've been reading alot, and I found some interesting umm..I could say, interesting facts!

And thanks for what u said, what made u stop arguing tho? lol..

Anyway, thanks again.

Well little sista......don't believe everything you read.......the Saudis are shaking in their boots......if Iran spreads it's Islamic revolution into Iraq.....where 60% or more of the population are shia muslims, and have lived for 30 years under the Sunni baath party's brutal agenda.

Saddam murdered them and their children.......now they want pay back.

The whole Islamic revolution is based on the hatred of the west....the values, the religion etc etc.......

If a western style of democracy is firmly established in Iraq, it will stop the revolution in it's tracks.....

This morning the news reported a Tunisian man was arrested for the bombing of a Shite mosque.......

BTW......I don't like to argue with a muslim lady, cause they are just too damm good looking, and I melt under the heat......

Sayid fatak

You blame the occupiers>

What about the mosques being blown up by Sunni muslims?

Let's address that?

fatak


Mr.Fatak, Mr.Fatak,
Was there such incidence there before occupying Iraq?
Don’t feel embarrassment to reply.
Come up.

1.The media doesn't tell us the truth about the Wahabi Islamic nazi regime.....and their idea of Islam......at war with everyone else.

PS.......Japan and Germany were defeated and occupied.......is their system of government and the lives of its citizens better off today then 60 years ago?
fatak

What you are advocating?
Speak clearly please.

OMG!!! you are a real peice of work FATAK!

i will reply to only 2 things that cought my attention. we Saudis are not shaking in our boots, and where were you when Fallujah got bombed? it had over a thousand mosques that are not there no more. also, you have no right to inforce your view over others. you are not Iraqi, and i doubt you care about any of them in the first place. if youre honest, you would not try to acquit the US governemt of its crimes.

Listen up........I have no intention to prove anything to a Saudi........because 18 of your citizens attacked my country and killed innocent people......so basically get this straight.......you have some serious problems.

If I hear one more Saudi imam tell me about Islam I think I am gonna puke.......you should be ashamed that you abuse Islam in the most hoorible way.........it's a shame that the holest place in Islam is left to the most ignorant people on this planet......and we wonder why Islam is going downhill......

You talk about crimes of the USA government, when they support your fasict Saud family.....they are the worst infidals odf Islam......they stink.
They can go to hell.......

You pretend to have any feelings for the muslims who suffer, Bull$hit......you are only comforted that you have your top position in the Islamic world......

SO Ki$$ my *****......Saudis have no right to say anything.......

An American who cares.......you have no idea.

Any Saudi trash can not imagine how superior in morals and virtue we are to you........

Sayid fatak

Well for starters, anyone who says they know 100% what is going on in Iraq from their cozy little desk (including myself) is just not living in the real world.


fatak

You are correct.

Listen up........I have no intention to prove anything to a Saudi........because 18 of your citizens attacked my country and killed innocent people......so basically get this straight.......you have some serious problems.

If I hear one more Saudi imam tell me about Islam I think I am gonna puke.......you should be ashamed that you abuse Islam in the most hoorible way.........it's a shame that the holest place in Islam is left to the most ignorant people on this planet......and we wonder why Islam is going downhill......

You talk about crimes of the USA government, when they support your fasict Saud family.....they are the worst infidals odf Islam......they stink.
They can go to hell.......

You pretend to have any feelings for the muslims who suffer, Bull$hit......you are only comforted that you have your top position in the Islamic world......

SO Ki$$ my *****......Saudis have no right to say anything.......

An American who cares.......you have no idea.

Any Saudi trash can not imagine how superior in morals and virtue we are to you........

Sayid fatak

:bomb: :bomb: :bomb:

For 18 or 1800, can you blame a nation?
You have raise valid point and don’t loose temper , Mr.Fatak.


:yell: :yell:

Mr.Fatak, Mr.Fatak,
Was there such incidence there before occupying Iraq?
Don’t feel embarrassment to reply.
Come up.

Honorable Mr. Shamsery.......of course I am ashamed to see the history of Iraq.......when the USA government support Saddam Hussein against the Iranian government.

They illegally take hostage our citizens.......that is an act of WAR.......

So Saddam promised to teach the Iranians a lesson......1.000,000 muslims killed.

How can anyone sleep well these days......??

fatak

Honorable Mr. Shamsery.......of course I am ashamed to see the history of Iraq.......when the USA government support Saddam Hussein against the Iranian government.

fatak

Friend Mr.Fatak,
Please take the terminology in your consideration, “geopolitical relation”
Till the end of last century, there was little hood on the face of imperialism.
Now the empire has no clothe.
You need not to ashamed, at least you are one that don’t support war and killings, so far I know.

None of us support war.

We also don't support the type of hypocrisy you indulge in Shammy.

When you call a spade a spade and can honestly admit that things are rotten in the Islamic world, we can have an honest discussion.

None of us support war.

We also don't support the type of hypocrisy you indulge in Shammy.

When you call a spade a spade and can honestly admit that things are rotten in the Islamic world, we can have an honest discussion.

Do you read my reply?
I have never seen any antiwar post from you.
Evry one knows on board that you are devoted supporter of inveders ,Zion's and enemy of Islam

I also don't consider www.antiwar.com to be a reputable site.

As I said, when you stop being a hypocrite and acknowledge the failings in the moslem world, you can have a discussion.

None of us support war.

Do you support Iraq's occupation?

Occupation by whom?

The US/Coalition Forces

or

Jehadists from all over the world ?

No to both.

No to both.

Then you indeed don't support war

I also don't consider www.antiwar.com to be a reputable site.

Reason is well understood.
Antiwar site goes against US neo cons and establishment.
Goes against Zion’s.

They don’t hesitate to remove hood from the face of Imperialist US.
They are not embedded writers.
It is not necessary that every one have to agree with each article published in anti war or here.
Prove, US did not lie.
Prove Iraq is not under occupation?
Come up with the proof that US have made mess in Iraq.
Prove that US is not trying to establish colony in Iraq.
Can you?

Then you indeed don't support war

You will never get answer.
Beside that try to think that US has generally taking the trouble to teach democracy in Iraq and in ME.
Surprisingly there is no shortage of puppets here and there.

Occupation by whom?

The US/Coalition Forces

or

Jehadists from all over the world ?

No to both.

Innocent!

Exposed.

Please don't expose yourself.

Please don't expose yourself.
:os :os :os

this topic is going personal and i dont like that.

Apologies......to mY saudi fellow member......didn't mean to make it personal......

As I read your posts more and more, I feel we have some common points...

Sayid fatak

you have a lot of rage. i dont know you that well, but try not to take it out on me, my country or my people. you got me upset. you said 'sorry' so i will forget about it.

Dear Mr.Fatak,
Thanks,
A nice gentleman behaves nicely.
Common citizen is the victim of the hand picked politicians.