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FaRaSHa
23-06-06, 09:51 PM
US accuses Iran over Iraqi Shias

US forces have clashed with Shia fighters ever since 2003
The US military commander in Iraq has accused Iran of providing covert support to Shia extremists in Iraq.
Iran equips and trains Shia militia groups, Gen George Casey said, adding that its influence had risen recently.

Although the US has no evidence that Iranians were operating directly in Iraq, Gen Casey said "surrogates" regularly attacked US troops.

He also suggested that some troops were likely to leave Iraq this year, but no final decision has yet been taken.

He noted that troop levels had fallen since late 2005, and said he was "confident" more troops would leave during the rest of 2006.

Gen Casey is working with the US ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, to draw up a proposal for potential US troop withdrawals.

He spoke as the US Senate rejected two Democrat measures calling for troop withdrawals to begin later this year.

Democrat leaders in the Senate tabled two proposals - one calling for a phased withdrawal starting in 2006, the other for all troops to be pulled out of Iraq by mid-2007.

Republicans criticised the plans, labelling one "cut and run" and the other "cut and jog".

Iranian 'surrogates'

Speaking alongside Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon, Gen Casey said intelligence on Iranian activities now confirmed previously-held suspicions.


Since January we have seen an upsurge in [Iranian] support, particularly to the Shia extremist groups

Gen George Casey
US commander in Iraq


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The US has often accused Iran of aiding Shia groups in Iraq, but has offered little proof of Tehran's alleged activities.

BBC world affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds, says both the American and British military in Iraq have claimed for some time that Iran, or factions within the Iranian government, have been supporting Shias politically and militarily.

For example, the British ambassador to Baghdad William Patey accused the Iranian Revolutionary Guard of helping to supply the technology which has been used in bomb attacks against British troops in the south.

"Since January we have seen an upsurge in their support, particularly to the Shia extremist groups," Gen Casey said.

"They are using surrogates to conduct terrorist operations both against us and against the Iraqi people.

"We are quite confident that the Iranians, through the special operations forces, are providing weapons, IED [improvised explosive device] technology and training to Shia extremist groups in Iraq," he said.

Training was probably carried out in Iran and possibly in Lebanon, Gen Casey said.

He suggested that Lebanon's Iranian-backed Hezbollah guerrillas were also likely to be involved in training Iraqi militias.

However, some analysts said Gen Casey was wrong to accuse Iran.

"It has not been Shia militants who have fuelled the insurgency in Iraq, it's been by all accounts Sunni Islamist groups and the Jihadis from the outside have been coming from Sunni countries such as Syria and Saudi Arabia and Jordan," Karim Sadjadpour, of the International Crisis Group in Washington, told the BBC.

"So to think that Iran is among the reasons why the US enterprise in Iraq has been unsuccessful I think is really a scapegoat."

Direct contacts between the US and Iran over the security situation in Iraq have been suspended recently.

Iran accused the US of exploiting the issue amid continuing diplomatic wrangling over Iran's nuclear programme.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5108496.stm)


....My Personal view: That the USA are trying to creat a new excuse to try to persuade the UN to attack Iran.......


*Whats your thoughts?

shamsery
23-06-06, 10:53 PM
They never care about whether there effort is ethical or unethical.

Draconus
24-06-06, 01:18 AM
let them do iran. what do we have to lose?

shamsery
24-06-06, 01:38 AM
let them do iran. what do we have to lose?

Next is your turn.

Draconus
24-06-06, 04:49 PM
bring it on!

Pineapple Thief
24-06-06, 06:08 PM
Its funny. You say you want them out of Iraq, but you say let them do Iran? Do you think they'd EVER leave Iraq if they were going to attack Iran?

Draconus
24-06-06, 10:45 PM
does it matter either way?

shamsery
25-06-06, 01:08 AM
Yes its a matter for the new generation.

Draconus
25-06-06, 04:19 PM
come on. the Iranians live shitty lives, like the iraqis after 1991. they may not be under as a stringent imbargo, but they are poor people living under a cutthroat government that aint shy over killing people to stay in power. they are also an agressive regime that openly supports terrorists like Hizbolla. they are also supporting the sheite insurgency in iraq right now. they have it coming.

if you are worried about the children of Iran then why dont you save them? fact is you didnt save the children of iraq. so if the US ivades Iran tomorrow, it would just be another Iraq. or would any of you fight for the Mullahs?

shamsery
25-06-06, 06:39 PM
Question is not about Iranians live style.
Question is not how poor or rich they are?
Question is, should we support any invaders to invade any country?
Considering pen is mightier than sword , we are taking part in discussion to fight out evils instinct.

Draconus
26-06-06, 01:18 AM
evil does get its way. if youre so rhitchous, then ellaborate how we may save Iraq/Iran.

personally, is did not object to the idea of invading iraq to get Saddam and his goons. i did relize back then that the USA would hump the place like nobodys business, but i also relized that what i thought would not change anything.

its the same story with Iran. is anybody going to make a unified front to meet the American menace? unlikely.

if you really care about all them people the USA may end up killing you would just get sick. that is if youre honest. fact is we dont really care. its just unpopular to say the truth. so we just say 'boo America, killer of women and children'

reality tells us that millions of inocent muslims got slaughtered by their own people for no good reason. you want to object to the US killing people? them so called islamic governments are doing that well enough already.

to me, it makes no sense at all to blaim the US if the muslim world is in such a mess. i say clean house first, then worry about the big bad world out there.

shamsery
26-06-06, 02:42 AM
There is no Muslim world.
Through the raise of the concept of Modern state , that doctrine has been eliminated.
Some are Omani, Iraqi, Iranians, Saudi, Pakistani and Indonesian etc.
Every one has his own territorial boundary, national identity that may contradict with others.
Religion does not play any role here.
Ummah or Arabs, these words do not carry any meaning.
It has become out dated and none care of it.

Draconus
26-06-06, 02:32 PM
There is no Muslim world.
Through the raise of the concept of Modern state , that doctrine has been eliminated.
Some are Omani, Iraqi, Iranians, Saudi, Pakistani and Indonesian etc.
Every one has his own territorial boundary, national identity that may contradict with others.
Religion does not play any role here.
Ummah or Arabs, these words do not carry any meaning.
It has become out dated and none care of it.

this is presicely why muslims live like vermin. we are jealous, selfish and indifferent to what happens beyond our borders. some nations think they can survive by sacrificing some one else. this 'else' is usually a neighbour state. this is the disease that plagues the muslim world. and as long as there are muslims, there is indeed a muslim world.

what you said about states is true only because we accepted the rules of others. the rest of world has been lumping itself together for a long time. the EU, ASIAN and Latin America are all creating super indeties. this is to confront the big nations like Russia, China, India and most of all the USA.

unless muslims follow suit, they will be the sheep in a world of wolves. BTW, the Arab League is total BS. what is needed is a bold islamic institution to get the job done. the challenges we face are large and growing. we need teeth!

fatak
26-06-06, 03:29 PM
"Iran is the enemy of Arabs, Islam and the United States, and the only person who can stand in the face of Iran is Saddam Hussein,"

Fatak

shamsery
26-06-06, 03:38 PM
and as long as there are muslims, there is indeed a muslim world.

Are you sure?

shamsery
26-06-06, 04:34 PM
Welcome back Mr.Fatak,
Did you meet Darwin’s recently?

shamsery
26-06-06, 05:07 PM
"Iran is the enemy of Arabs, Islam"

Fatak

How Mr. Fatak?

wudjab
26-06-06, 06:58 PM
Draco, I spend this weekend at our local amusement park, called Canada's Wonderland.

There is an very popular ride there called "The Spinovator'.

http://www.pcwjunkies.com/images/pcw/flatrides/spino/07pcw_spinovator.jpg

You are lucky becuase you get to ride it free, here on the Sabla.

The discussion will now divert into an etymological analysis of the meaing of the word Islam, and then onto an etymological analysis of the word Muslim.

By the time the discussion is over, the thrust of your arguments will be well and truly buried.

It's also know as the 'shammy effect'.

shamsery
26-06-06, 11:19 PM
this is presicely why muslims live like vermin.

I am almost at the end of my journey.
Time has come to anchor.
What I have watched closely during the small span of time,


“I see tender youth hitting out blindly
Cracking their head against stone in their agony.” Tagor


Are the common Muslims vermin’s?
Asked the question to raising sun of the day but didn’t get reply.

Even then, I presume, No, they are not, specially the Muslim youths.
They have not bend their knees before the insolent might.

The politicians, rulers are renegades.
Servant to the vulgar instinct.
They are vermin’s.

How far they are away from the last sermon of prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)?


An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly.

Did we ever try to evaluate these articulations from the political point of view?

Did we learn anything from this inspiring and unmatchable message?

This oration is & will be the greatest sermon that ever comes.

Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.

This the concept of The Ummah.
As we have forgotten instruction, subsequent facing the consequences like vermin’s.

Draconus
27-06-06, 02:59 PM
fristly, you totally lost me back there. what are you bablinb about?

secondly, i speak fc the muslim world because i do believe in a muslim brotherhood, but its shatered and fragmented. the brotherhood means that what happens to other muslims is not something distant to any other muslim. it means banding together for the common good. to stay off the hand evil.

this brotherhood, does not seem to be in effect today, though i would not give up on it.

shamsery
27-06-06, 05:25 PM
Thanks and wish, let Allah help you to uphold the sprit.

It is not shattered or fragmented.
The reality is this; concept of brotherhood do not exists.
I am sorry.

Not only we have measurably fail to resist the aggression of mighty devils rather we are co-operating them to continue the aggression.

let them do iran. what do we have to lose?

Goes on ,

does it matter either way?

Not babbling , asking to our self.
Sorry, if I cause any inconvenience to you.
Bottom line, I believe Muslims youth are not vermin’s.

Draconus
28-06-06, 12:07 PM
i did not say they are vermin, only live like such. that means they are forced into it. how would you feel if you got kicked out from your home or country. that shit happens in so many places, it saddens me deeply.

i also said the brotherhood does not function. that does not mean its no longer there.

fatak
28-06-06, 02:01 PM
Oh.......like when the muslim Kurds were kicked out of there lands........by Iraqis, Turks and Iranians........muslims.......

Tell me about the brotherhood again?

fatak

Draconus
29-06-06, 05:12 PM
if you read what said befor in this thread, Fatak, you would know that i did not ignore what some governments did. i only think that this thread is not the right place to discuss it. that way the topic will lose focus.

fatak
29-06-06, 05:28 PM
OK///I can understand that.......just drop the holier then thou......cause muslims have been killing muslims for any reason under the sun......

I think any Western government would not even approve of one muslim killed for any reason.......

Sayid fatak

shamsery
29-06-06, 06:31 PM
Oh.......like when the muslim Kurds were kicked out of there lands........by Iraqis, Turks and Iranians........muslims.......

Tell me about the brotherhood again?

fatak

Are you kidding my friend Mr.Fatak? :yuk:

Draconus
30-06-06, 01:39 PM
the people of the north (christains) have been at war with themselves for a long time. its only with WMDs and MAD that theyre having second thoughts (Coldwar). so what they do? they want to fight with people who dont have nukes.

shamsery
30-06-06, 02:27 PM
I think any Western government would not even approve of one muslim killed for any reason.......

Sayid fatak

Dear Mr.Fatak,
Hope you know, the elephant has two sets of teeth, one for showing and other for eating.