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DeadEye
05-05-06, 04:26 PM
Hey I just stumbled across your forum here, and I found it very interesting. As I'm reading through I found that you guys and ladies make some very broad generalizations about Americans and religions that aren't Islamic (not that I blame you, Americans are the king of generalizations). So I figured what you needed was an opinion from someone who doesn’t believe in a god but is extremely fascinated by religion. I thrive on religion and history, "they really do go hand in hand".
First off you can not refer to America as a whole because of the way America was started and the immigration ever since, America is just to diverse to fall into any one category. Weather it be society or religion. Pride is a curse of mankind, weather it is where you’re from, or what you believe. Conformity is also a curse, humans seek out others that are like them, and cast out or look down at people who don't follow their belief or their features or their lineage. Society changes every few blocks in this country, what is normal in one area it not accepted in the other.
As far as religion goes, "I believe that this is the basis for the downfall". There are just too many: Buddhist, Hindu, Islamic, Judaism, Christian, Catholic, Mormon, Protestant, Baptist, Lutheran, Seventh-Days, Unitarian, Shakers, Amish, Christian Science, Pagan, Neo-Pagan, Spiritualist, Wicca, Scientology, Masonists, Voodoo, New Age, Atheist, Non-Believers, and all of the various cults through this "great nation". And I'm sure there are about a hundred more but I can't think of any more off hand. And all of those minus 1 or 2 can be found in every county of this country. Now I'm not looking down at religion as a whole, I just think that humans don't need another reason to shed blood. We are an extremely violent species, religion tames it in most and provokes it in some.
Anyway my point was that generalizations don't work. And don't be afraid of something different. Learn, Learn, Learn.
DeadEye, welcome to the forum & hope to read more interesting posts of yours :)
Firstly: welcome to ES :)
Secondly: I agree with you on the generalization part.
Third: I believe most religions tame us. I mean there is no religion that encourages killing others without a legitimate reason. It's only the ignorant human's fault who chooses to believe otherwise and shed unnecessary blood in the name of a 'misinterpreted' religion.
Well lymn, some religions don't encourage killing - with or without a legitimate reason.
Felt I need to clear that one up.
DeadEye
05-05-06, 05:02 PM
Lym I completely agree, but misinterpreting is the name of the game this is how new religions are formed.
Bibles are written too vaguely. You can take any bible and read it and if you hate minorities or other religions it will tell you to kill, bring harm, or cast them out.
I also was wondering what is Sabla is that a word or did someone just come up with that?
DeSerTDesTroYeR
05-05-06, 05:18 PM
DeadEye: I renamed your title to "American", since there was no need to include the other word you used. If you have another sugguested title. You can PM me or post it here in the thread itself. Welcome to English Sabla...
DeadEye
05-05-06, 05:29 PM
Do you think someone is going to take offense that a Stupid American started the post. I am an American Indian, I am a true American.
American sounds like I'm a flag waver I am no flag waver.
NicoBambi
05-05-06, 05:36 PM
welcome in ES ;)
BuSs BuSs
05-05-06, 06:15 PM
American sounds like I'm a flag waver I am no flag waver.
LOOOL!!
Welcome to English Sabla!!
I agree that generalizing is bad..but apparently it's part of human's nature since people from all races and backgrounds are doing it. Many muslims say that all americans and jews are evil..and many americans say that all muslims are terrorists. All we can do is enlighten them and make them see that it's just not true.
Welcome to the english sabla DeadEye..if you need any help then don't hesitate to contact any of the forum's admins. :)
Arabian Princess
05-05-06, 06:24 PM
Do you think someone is going to take offense that a Stupid American started the post. I am an American Indian, I am a true American.
Beleive me people here take offence on everything!
welcome to sabla (an Omani word for a sitting room where people sit and meet).
Welcome DeadEye :)
hope you enjoy ur time here in ES
p.s: yes wudjy i think ALL religions don't encourage killing
Your majesty, Lymn thinks otherwise.
I mean there is no religion that encourages killing others without a legitimate reason.
if a single person thinks like that it doesn't mean it is true :)
anyway we're not here to discuss this issue :)
welcome again DeadEye :D
Your majesty, Lymn thinks otherwise.
I mean there is no religion that encourages killing others without a legitimate reason.
Wudjab, allow me to clarify myself. I meant to say in a legitimate manner as in self defense or capital punishment for murderers who intentionally kill others and this should be done by the right authority obviously- not anybody. Islam is a peaceful religion, I assure you it doesn't encourage killings as such unless there is a reason for it as I mentioned above :)
Sorry, I used the wrong word. I shouldn't have used 'encourages' but rather 'excuses' it for certain exceptions or circumstances.So I guess you're right, I think there is no religion which encourages killing others.
Pineapple Thief
06-05-06, 08:15 PM
Do you think someone is going to take offense that a Stupid American started the post. I am an American Indian, I am a true American.
American sounds like I'm a flag waver I am no flag waver.
An American Indian, interesting. Ive never met any native Americans before. Welcome to the forum :)
Welcome in DeadEye,
Thanks a lot for your effort to clarify everything. Regarding the generalising of Americans we have around, I agree with you it sometimes is totally not called for. But I am glad you already accepted how the Americans are the King of Generalising. And I am not generalising here :p :D
I have much to say about this issue and I am sure it would be wonderful to discuss any issue with someone as honest and straight forward as you. Hopefully I get the time to do so in the future. (Exams :()
Good day :)
shamsery
07-05-06, 12:12 AM
Replies are more interesting
Frozen Echo
07-05-06, 12:48 PM
Well...
There are relegions which encourages killing and sacrificing.
Some are satanic kults etc.
This is a really good thread and it's a waste to see people posting "welcome" only, it's making me feel sick.
Anyway...
I can't say people are stupid for generalizing.
The whole world does that.
What makes them stupid is not studying something.
You can't say something is bad if you haven't looked into it.
You can't say Americans are evi lbad etc and everyone is a different person with a different lifestyle and personality.
What will cause our own destruction is not sacrificing.
We have to sacrfice for alot've things and mainly knowledge.
In greek mythology Odin sacrificed his eye to drink from the well of Mirmir (Mirmir is a Giant and Giants lived way before the gods) and the knowledge and wisdom in tht well was beyond.
And Odin's eyes could see and hear beyond the heavens.
Mirmir of course asked for it since he had the most knowledge and wisdom etc.
...
Hm this is a long post.
I'm just trying to say "we don't know ourselves and our surroundings"
When you learn you experience and when you experience you learn and understand more and become AWARE.
Bla bla bla bla bla
DeadEye
07-05-06, 11:27 PM
Thank You for the warm welcome everyone.
As far as religion goes, "I believe that this is the basis for the downfall". There are just too many: Buddhist, Hindu, Islamic, Judaism, Christian, Catholic, Mormon, Protestant, Baptist, Lutheran, Seventh-Days, Unitarian, Shakers, Amish, Christian Science, Pagan, Neo-Pagan, Spiritualist, Wicca, Scientology, Masonists, Voodoo, New Age, Atheist, Non-Believers, and all of the various cults through this "great nation". And I'm sure there are about a hundred more but I can't think of any more off hand
Yes too many but most of them man made religions. However, Islam is the only true religion and the one leading to the straight path. For many reaosns some are:
1. Every child is born with the true faith of Islam (meaning every child is born a muslim and sinless).
2. God sent all prophets to pass the message to their nations and this message is the message of Islam, to worship one God. That makes all God prophets muslims.
sheik-al-Tort
09-05-06, 06:00 PM
Ice Tea I'm glad your faith is so strong that you feel the need to let everyone know your conclusions.
DeadEye
10-05-06, 09:31 AM
Hey IceTea coming from that method all religions are man made.
Did Allah write the Quran?
No God writes a bible it is written by people who have invoked or has been influenced by god.
DeadEye, I didn't say all religions are man made.
If you read my post above you will see that the only religion that Allah approve is Islam since all prophets came with the message of Islam. Jesus pbuh was a muslim too.
The Quran is Allah words and revealed to prophet Mohammed pbuh.
DeadEye, first of all you have to Know that Allah is the arabic word of God, and we believe that the God of Mohammed is the same God of Jesus and that of Moses peace be upon them all and they are all prophets, human beings which were chosen by God to give people his teachings, these teachings are in the holy Books, the Torah, the Zabur (which is included in the Torah I think), The Bible (which includes the Torah and the teachings that were given to Jesus PBUH) and The Quraan (which includes most of the three latter books with the teachings that were given to Prophet Mohammed...
The believers of these holy book are called Abrahemic Faith/Abrahemic religions followers
to answer your question, The Holy Quran was told to the prophet Mohammed from God, Through the Angel Gabriel, and Prophet Mohammed wasn't Educated, as in he couldn't write nor read, but he memorized The holy Quraan, because the Quraan was told to him By gabreil in parts, almost after every incident, a verse from the Quran is told to prophet mohammed to teach his people, and these teachings remain the same and valid until this day... Many of his followers memorized the Holy Quraan as well, and they were more than a thousand followers, and during the life Prophet Mohammed the Holy Quraan was written on rough papers, and after his death, it was collected from these rough papers by the followers who memorized the holy Quran, and all papers were put in one book, in the squence that God ordered prophet mohammed to
I hope that answers your question!
mashaAllah Braiki i think that's a brief & clear summary :) may Allah show us all the right path
DeadEye
10-05-06, 09:53 AM
Most people believe that Jesus was Jewish.
So the Quran speaks of Jesus and the Torah and says that Jesus was to spread the word of the Jewish faith. But what about Christianity, is that not what Jesus was crucified for?
A Jewish person can be a muslim too, Islam is not only for arabs it's a universal religion and prophet Mohammed pbuh was sent to all mankind.
Yes prophet Jesus was a Jew same as prophet Moses.
This was the message of Jesus to his people:
And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Isâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen).
"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: 'Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world).
And Jesus was not crucified:
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Isâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Isâ (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not (i.e. 'Isâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) (peace be upon them))
DeadEye, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and all prophets all came with the same message..to worship God and only him..he's the one and only God
Jesus is not a god or not God's son..
I'll give you the Islamic explanation to that...
Jesus really IS christ (the messiah) and he was sent as a prophet of mercy, the Torah was being corrupted and modified, so God sent him to correct what's corrupted in the Jews and to add to the old teachings of prophet Moses (the Torah) but the jews disbelieved him and as they killed prophet zacharia and prophet John (both were considered prophets in the Torah as well) they tried to kill prophet Jesus by crucifying him, and God told prophet Jesus that it was going to happen, Also God told him that he (prophet jesus) will be taken away by God and sent back again in the future, to play his real role as the Messiah (the word Messiah means the fighter prophet, or the prophet who fights) Because he will fight against Anti-Christ**,
So when the jews crucified prophet jesus, they all thought he Died, but he didn't Because God made it seem to them that he died, but he was taken away by God and will be sent back in the future, to play his role as the Messiah, as I mentioned above...
If you read the bible, Christ says that it's too hard for them (his followers) to understand the whole image, and that somenoe will be sent to elaborate all of this to the whole world, and those who truely believe in Jesus and in what he said, will believe what this man will say and follow him...
We, Muslims, believe that Jesus PBUH was talking about prophet Mohammed, Because in the Quraan, everything is elaborated, how hell is, how heaven is, how the judgment day is, and it has many stories of the past...All of these things are in the Quran
** Anti-Christ is a man who will claim to be Christ and also he will claim to be a God in the future
If you have more questions do not hesitate to ask, and I will give you the Islamic point of view :)
DeadEye
10-05-06, 11:04 AM
IceTea:
So in the Quran Jesus is a messenger of god.
Queen:
So why in the Quran does God dispatch 2 separate books?
Braiki:
So in the Quran Jesus was sent to return Judaism to their roots. But what of Jesus’ followers? Jesus did not cast them out. So the Quran says that Jesus was corrupted by man? Is that right?
[quote]Anti-Christ is a man who will claim to be Christ and also he will claim to be a God in the future
Is this speaking of Jesus’ resurrection, according to Christianity?
Or the future resurrection of Jesus, according to Catholics?
two separate books?? Quraan is only one book and it's the words of Allah sent to phrphet Muhammad through the Angel, Gabriel
there aren't any other holy books after Quraan
IceTea:
So in the Quran Jesus is a messenger of god.
Yes.
And he also mentioned the coming messenger after him.
And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allâh unto you, confirming the Taurât ((Torah) which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed. But when he (Ahmed i.e. Muhammad (peace be upon him)) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic."
sheik-al-Tort
10-05-06, 11:26 AM
Well dead eye as a Christian of course I don't believe Mohammed was inspired by God but instead took bits from The Old and NewTestaments to fabricate a religion for the Arabs. Then through conquest spread the faith.
I have asked several times on this forum what new insight Mohammed brings to the party and none could answer.
Still if it helps people live good lives and works for their culture, then that is their choice and good luck to them. After all Jesus said ''in my Father's house there are many mansions'' which I take to mean that there are different routes to the top.
*Please no personal accusations*
Stick to the topic please. Just answer the questions. Thank you :)
-Lym
DeadEye
10-05-06, 11:39 AM
Queen:
Didn’t god send down 2 books the Quran and the Torah?
And everyone, in the future of answering my questions please paraphrase the scripture. Bible speech makes my eyes hurt. All my knowledge of religions I have learned from various clergyman, the next time I’m in Seattle I will probably stop in at the Muslim church there and have a sit down with a clergy.
Well dead eye as a Christian of course I don't believe Mohammed was inspired by God but instead took bits from The Old and NewTestaments to fabricate a religion for the Arabs. Then through conquest spread the faith.
First of all you should keep in mind that all books sent by God are from one source. That means Torah, Injeel, Quran, etc all sent by Allah to specific prophets. so there is nothing worng if you find things stated in previous books and available in the Quran. The Quran is the book of truth, meaning anything stated in the Bible for example contradicts with what is in the Quran then it's not true (e.g the Trinity). The difference between other prophets and prophet Mohammed that all of them sent to a group of people and for specific period of time, on the other hand prophet Mohammed message is a universal one and to all mankind not just for arabs as you claim. Today there is no country in the world without muslims, are they all arabs?
Prophet Mohammed :PBUH: is the seal of the prophets.
Yes DeadEyes, god sent the Torah first but as you know people denied it and tried to kill the prophets and so they did
they modified what's there in the Torah to match their own pleasures
so God finally sent the last Prophet, who is Muhammad PBUH to again teach people to worship the one and only god
Muhammad PBUH, as Braiki said wasn't educated
he didn't know how to read and write
so it wasn't possible for him to take the bible and make up his own book as sheik claimed
it makes no sence
the Quraan consisted of the same original teachings that were in the real bible and torah not the modified ones
it also had the stories of previous prophets to teach us how much they suffred to bring God's message to people
i recommend u to go to this Islamic center or Mosque to learn better :)
you won't loose anything and it's great to discover new things
CupCake
10-05-06, 11:56 AM
welcome to the forum!
this is a great place to learn new things!
BTW I am a revert from Christainity to Islam so if you want my story just message me.
yes many members here converted from Christianity to Islam :)
you don't have to necesserly convert to Islam
it's just enough to learn about it
and who knows what might happen :cute:
May Allah show us all the right path
DeadEye
10-05-06, 12:23 PM
IceTea:
What is the Injeel?
Queen:
What was the order of the books sent and what kind of time passes between the release of each book?
And if all the books are sent by the same god why do the religions vary? Does the Quran cover this?
CupCake:
I am not here to be converted. I can not be converted. I am a non-believer not a follower.
As I said in my introduction, I am someone who doesn’t believe in a god but is extremely fascinated by religion.
But thank you for the info and the warm greeting.
DeadEye, there are three holy books. Their odred is:
1) Torah and the prophet was Moses PBUH
2) Bible and the prophet was Jesus PBUH
3) Quraan and the prophet was Muhammad PBUH
about the timing i think i'll have to search about it
and yes the god is only one and unfortunately the teachings in the holy books vary because people modified the holy Torah and Bible based on what they like and dislike..but still only some small facts are common
for example we Muslims believe that Jesus is only a human being who's sent to tell people to worship God
in time, people changed it and said that Jesus is God or son of God
Islam came to correct all these mistakes
and God Promissed to protect the Quraan from any modifications
so as soon as a ney verse of Quraan comes, people hurry up any write it down and as soon as phrophet Muhammad died they collected the Quraan and kept it safe until this day with all its exact words without any modifications
IceTea:
What is the Injeel?
The Injeel is the arabic word for the Gospels (the book sent to prophet Jesus).
Refer to below Quran verse for clarification:
Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad (peace be upon him)) whom they find written with them in the Taurât (Torah) (Deut, xviii, 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John xiv, 16), - he commands them for Al-Ma'rűf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At-Taiyibât ((i.e. all good and lawful) as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khabâ'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allâh's Covenant), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad (peace be upon him)) honor him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur'ân) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful.
Guys can you please stick to the topic. Any further personal attacks will be deleted along with the personal attacks above, that fail to serve the purpose of the thread. Thank you :)
I suggest you read Karen Armstrong's books on Islam. Extremely insightful and helpful in learning and knowing more on the essences and history of Islam
No religion in the modern world is as feared and misunderstood as Islam. It haunts the popular western imagination as an extreme faith that promotes dictatorial government, female oppression, civil war, and terrorism.
The spiritual quest is an inner journey; it is rather a psychic rather then a political drama. Religions certainly have a life outside the soul. Their leaders have to contend with the state and affairs of the world, and often relish doing so. They fight with members of other faiths, who seem to challenge their claims to a monopoly of absolute truth. Very often priests, rabbis, imams, and shamans are just consumed by the worldly ambition as regular politicians. These power struggles are not what any religion is really about, but an unworthy distraction from the life of the spirit.
Islam is the basic monotheistic faith proclaimed by prophets throughout history. The Quran is not seen as presenting a new revelation but rather as providing a complete, accurate, and therefore final record of the message that had already been given to Abraham, Jesus, and other earlier prophets.
The Quran insists that’s its message is simply a reminder of truths that everybody knew. This was the primal faith that had been preached to the whole humanity by the prophets of the past. God had not left human beings in ignorance about the way they should live. He had sent messengers to every people on the face of the earth. Islamic tradition would later assert that there had been 124,000 such prophets, a symbolic number suggesting infinity. All had brought their people a divinely inspired scripture, they might have expressed the truth of God's religion differently, but essentially the message was always the same. Constantly the Quran points out that Mohammed:PBUH: had not come to cancel the older religions, to contradict prophets of the past or to start a new faith. His message is the same as that of Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, or Jesus. All rightly guided religion that submitted wholly to god, refused to worship man made idols and preached that justice and equality came from the same divine source. Hence Mohammed never asked Jews or Christians to accept Islam, unless they particularly wished to do so. The Quran insists strongly that "There shall be no coercion in matters of faith". And commands all Muslims to respect the beliefs of Jews and Christians, whom the quran calls ahl al-kitab, a phrase translated "People of the Book" but which is more accurately "people of an earlier revelation"
Braiki:
So in the Quran Jesus was sent to return Judaism to their roots. But what of Jesus’ followers? Jesus did not cast them out. So the Quran says that Jesus was corrupted by man? Is that right?
Anti-Christ is a man who will claim to be Christ and also he will claim to be a God in the future
Is this speaking of Jesus’ resurrection, according to Christianity?
Or the future resurrection of Jesus, according to Catholics?
From an Islamic point of view:
The followers of Jesus, not the ones who were with him during his life, others in the middle ages or so, kept on modifying the bible and Jesus words, and the change is obvious, you can see how bibles slightly differ, however, its still considered a holy book, because not everything is modified...
I'll give you few examples of the corruption in christianity, according to us muslims:
- Trinity is a very fundamental idea/belief in christianity, how come prophet Jesus never mentioned it ?
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"Prophet Jesus is considered a lamb of God; God sent himself as his son to take the sins of all of those who believe in him, and those who do not believe in Jesus as a God, will be judged by the laws of the father, which is, one simple Sin will make you go to hell and with no forgivness, so the only way to gain forgivness for everyday's Sin, is believing in Jesus as a God"
the quote above was said to me by a lebanese christian, but Jesus always mentioned that God is the only one who's Good, as I quoted from the bible in a previous thread, so how can a person worship someone who never claimed to be a God and said that God must be worshipped alone!
And finally, the Anti-Christ is known for the christians:
"And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God; and this is Antichrist" (1 John 4:3)
sophis^catrina
10-05-06, 08:17 PM
Well dead eye as a Christian of course I don't believe Mohammed was inspired by God but instead took bits from The Old and NewTestaments to fabricate a religion for the Arabs. Then through conquest spread the faith.
This is the strangest thing I've ever read so far. :XD: He was not educated, could not read or write, and yet took bits from old/new testament! :XD:
Well dead eye as a Christian of course I don't believe Mohammed was inspired by God but instead took bits from The Old and NewTestaments to fabricate a religion for the Arabs. Then through conquest spread the faith.
Sheik, I will open a thread using your quote, wanna debate with me if prophet Mohammed did that or not !? tell me if u're in and I will open it :)
This is the strangest thing I've ever read so far. :XD: He was not educated, could not read or write, and yet took bits from old/new testament! :XD:
Not as strange as a supposedly illiterate gentleman who remembered every single word given to him and then repeating them verbatim for others to remember as well.
sheik-al-Tort
10-05-06, 08:59 PM
Braiki i don't think there is any virtue in displaying entrenched views.
Of the posts on this thread the one that I find the most interesting is Kay's. She doesn't try to shove Islam down non believers throats in the hamfisted way that Ice Tree does, but shows a genuine respect for Christianity and Judaism, which I find both refreshing and extremely rare on this board.
If there was more of this attitude we could all share our wisdom instead of trying to compete or getting hung up on trivia like pregnancy and poison tests or whether or not little piggies will go to hell
Braiki i don't think there is any virtue in displaying entrenched views.
Of the posts on this thread the one that I find the most interesting is Kay's. She doesn't try to shove Islam down non believers throats in the hamfisted way that Ice Tree does, but shows a genuine respect for Christianity and Judaism, which I find both refreshing and extremely rare on this board.
If there was more of this attitude we could all share our wisdom instead of trying to compete or getting hung up on trivia like pregnancy and poison tests or whether or not little piggies will go to hell
I agree! So can members stop enforcing their religions on each other or imposing their beliefs and just answer the general questions according to your religion. This thread is not a debate about which teachings are the correct ones. Dead Eyes is just curious about some principles in some religions and it would be appreciated it you just answer them, without trashing each other's religions.
If you're confused, look at Kay's post as an example :mmhmm:
i'll b back tomorow inshaAllah to provide some answers to dear DeadEye
* *Edited partly for response to moderating comments* -Lym
Deadeye asked us questions and we gave him the answers from an Islam point of view, atleast most of us were not disrespecting Christianity, and Judaism, because still they are abrahemic religions, and they got the message of our God :)
I think that today Islam is under precedence challenge from within and from without as it has always been the case. In the Muslim land, Islam is being viewed as the bases for national identity and a salvation to many social and economic problems brought up by moderation and globalization. Externally misunderstood, because of the historical animosity with the West due to numerous and serious differences between the two.
Hopefully with wisdom and tolerance open bridges can be constructed to close the gap and to work on common goals and towards humanity and maybe even global peace ( a little comic relief on the last one, yes i watch beauty pageant)
But on a more serious note, we need to lose the aggressiveness and hostility of our differences and just accept each other for what we are. Human beings. Regardless of religion gender education and wealth. Creatures of God
well said Kay, may everyone learns from your words of wisdom, before judging at something that they don't really know about
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