The Jewish View of Jesus

[HITMAN]

I just wanted your views upon the following:

"Jews believe Jesus himself would have been shocked to know that many people today view him as the Messiah. According to Judaism, Jesus was a Jewish man who was executed and later given divine status by the Christian church"

How true is the above statement? :(

[Lym]

To us Muslims, non at all.

[HITMAN]

I dont think the jews believe in that!

maybe only the jewish fundamentalists

[fatak]

Better to ask someone with authority in religious matters, then simply throwing out views that may offend those of Jewish faith......I may be wrong but I think there's a split in the fundamentalists views.......

There are some hessaidic jews that don't even believe in the present state of Israel.......based on the coming of the messiah......

Maybe some day someone is gonna put the "fun" back into fundamentalist.......

sayid fatak

[BrAiKi]

The people who executed Jesus :PBUH: are the same people who executed Prophet Zacharia and his son, Prophet Yahiya (Prophet John of the new testiment)
some people say that Jesus :PBUH: was executed because he claimed to be a God and God's son... The fact is that according to jewish history, he was executed because he claimed that the teachings they were following those days were false, and they're not the correct teachings of prophet Moses :PBUH:

and IF he was executed because he claimed to be a God and God's son, WHY did they executed prophets zacharia and John :PBUH: ?


Jesus was called the Messiah because through believing in him as a prophet from God, all sins of the jews will be forgiven, not the whole world, the Jews only, because they went away from the path of God after prophet Moses :PBUH: , and as I showed in previous threads, Jesus :PBUH: himself said that he was sent to the Children of Israelm and that the children's bread must not be given to the dogs matthew 15: 24 & 26

[Kara]

Some believe he didn't exist.

You have to understand that the word Messiah (heb. Moshiach) means annointed. The only people who are to be annointed are the High Priests and Kings. Jesus was never annointed.

[sheik-al-Tort]

Braiki I suggest you take a look at St John's gospel Chapter 4 which goes something like this:

Jesus is at Jacob's well and a Samaritan woman comes along. She is surprised that Jesus speaks to her and he reveals that he knows she is a bit of a strumpet with 5 lovers. He also tells her about the everlasting water he brings. She goes off and tells her friends and some time later more Samaritans come along to see him. They like what he is saying and ask him to stay with them for a couple of days which he does. It is quite clear from this episode that his message is not just for the Jews. The Samaritans said:
''Now we believe not because of thy (the woman's) saying but because for we have heard him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the World''

[NicoBambi]

"Jews believe Jesus himself would have been shocked to know that many people today view him as the Messiah. According to Judaism, Jesus was a Jewish man who was executed and later given divine status by the Christian church"

that's true :)

[BrAiKi]

Braiki I suggest you take a look at St John's gospel Chapter 4 which goes something like this:

Jesus is at Jacob's well and a Samaritan woman comes along. She is surprised that Jesus speaks to her and he reveals that he knows she is a bit of a strumpet with 5 lovers. He also tells her about the everlasting water he brings. She goes off and tells her friends and some time later more Samaritans come along to see him. They like what he is saying and ask him to stay with them for a couple of days which he does. It is quite clear from this episode that his message is not just for the Jews. The Samaritans said:
''Now we believe not because of thy (the woman's) saying but because for we have heard him ourselves and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the World''


well then that contradicts with what I quoted about the canaanite woman :)
should the book of God contradict with itself ?

actually the contradiction is obvious in all gosples, different gosples differntiate! n only God knows why!

However it is interesting to know that one gosple mentioned that non-jews believed in Jesus :PBUH:

in my point of view, I dont think that what happend with the canaanite woman is 100% true, because Prophets are the messengers of peace and it's mentioned in the Holy Qura`an (in Surat Yasin) that 3 Prophets who were sent to Idolisers, nobody believed them but an outsider did and told the non-believers to follow the prophets , so the 3 prophets and the man were killed, and it says there that all of them went to heaven.

So I think that the prophets are not sent to certain people, but they were sent to certain Era, and each one of them had the mircales or that Era, and Each one of them told his people that there will be a last prophet who will bring the full teachings of God involving the way of living, n thats the prophet that Moses, Jesus and the others mentioned

[sheik-al-Tort]

Hi Braiki - I don't think there is any contradiction - in the story of the woman from Canaa - Jesus was merely testing her faith. He appears to have been quite good at winding up people. Don't forget he also cured the servant of the Roman centurion.
A lot of Christians would disagree with me, but I think St John undersatood Jesus a lot better than Paul, who was not even there, but then went all over the place telling people about Christianity.

I suspect, but of course have no real evidence for this, that the original teachings were covered in interpretation and word of mouth embellishments.
The same I suspect goes for all the 3 faiths. But if you strip Christianity bare it seems to me to come down to a single message - Love.

[BrAiKi]

exactly, worship God, love each other and do well on earth! thats the real message of the 3 religions!

[HITMAN]

Sheik, so in summary, what do you think of Jesus Christ?

[sheik-al-Tort]

I wish I'd met him.

[HITMAN]

do you accept him or reject him as the messiah?

[HITMAN]

seems that the answer to the above is clear, good day!

[sheik-al-Tort]

I accept him, but would defend your right to disagree

[monotheism]

Jews believe that Jesus was a false prophet. He led the people astray after a false deity, and told them to abandon G-d's Law. The Torah explicitly says:

Deut. [18:18] I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. [18:19] It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. [18:20] But the Prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same Prophet shall die.

Whether he would have been shocked by the stories his followers invented about him after his death is really irrelevant. As far as the Torah is concerned, he was a false prophet and apostate. For more info, see: http://outreachjudaism.org/questions.html

[HITMAN]

any comments?

[sheik-al-Tort]

I would defend Monotheists right to his views even though we disagree. What's your point Hitman?

[HITMAN]

As far as the Torah is concerned, he was a false prophet and apostate

I respect his opinion too :)

[sheik-al-Tort]

Hitman are you saying that Jesus Christ was a false prophet?

[BrAiKi]

sheik there's a difference between respecting opinions and agreeing with them!

and as I always said, whoever denies Jesus PBUH as God's word, a prophet and the Messiah, is NOT a muslim

[sheik-al-Tort]

That's why Braiki I was interested in seeing what Hitters had to say about it. His silence is interesting.


*The member has no problem with that nickname, so I re-edited to the original post* - Lym

[HITMAN]

He led the people astray after a false deity, and told them to abandon G-d's Law

Sheik, why dont you discuss with monotheism about this false prophet issue?

I'm a monotheists too, so you should respect my opnion too even if you disagree with me :)

[sheik-al-Tort]

Monotheism has come to his own conclusion this would be a waste of his and my time. So far you haven't ventured an opinion - are you saying Jesus is a false prophet - yes or no?

I will respect your opinion, but Briaki's comment about muslims


(Lym I was being friendly referring to Hitman as 'Hitters')

[HITMAN]

Sheik, I accept Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet of Allah

However, according to the old testament there are some prophecies which had to be fulfilled by the Messiah, which the Messiah of the new testament failed to fulfill

[sheik-al-Tort]

I see Hitman so you don't see him as the Messiah then?

[HITMAN]

I don't accept the Messiah of the new testament

[sheik-al-Tort]

But do you accept Jesus as the Messiah?

[HITMAN]

I accept Jesus (pbuh) as the Messiah

[sheik-al-Tort]

well that's progress at least