View Full Version : Why are we in Iraq? It begs for an Answer


shamsery
16-06-05, 03:33 PM
Steve Berg, Star Tribune
June 15, 2005

As a former Washington reporter I've got a question that gnaws at me night and day, and, were I still occasionally hanging around the White House press room, I'd be eager to ask it. It's quite a simple question, really, but no one seems to be asking it and no one's quite sure what the answer might be. So, here goes: Why are we in Iraq?

It kind of hangs in the air, doesn't it? But every time another American kid gets killed or another 20 Iraqis get shredded into bloody pieces, the question returns with a bit more urgency.

It revisited Washington last week, but only briefly. President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair were asked about the Downing Street memo's revelation that Bush had decided eight months before the invasion to use phony evidence as justification to attack Iraq. Neither man explained how or why the head of British intelligence was wrong on that point. Neither man has commented on another secret British memo from the same period, July 2002, which said it would be "necessary to create the conditions" to make the invasion legal.

But even acknowledging that Bush probably lied about his reasons for war leaves unanswered the critical question of why we really invaded, especially the part about why the administration, just as U.S. forces in Afghanistan were in hot pursuit of the terrorists responsible for 9/11, abruptly changed its focus to Iraq.

Despite the apparent lack of curiosity from the press and public on this question, I thought it might be helpful to assemble a list of 15 possible answers.

[Q. So, why are we there?

A. To remove the chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons that Saddam Hussein was about to hand over to the terrorists, posing an imminent threat to U.S. security.

A. To sever the link between the 9/11 terrorists and the Iraqi dictator.

A. To remove a brutal and despotic menace to stability in the Middle East.

A. To establish an Iraqi democracy as a model for change in the Islamic world.

A. To make the world safer.

A. To "finish the job" that Bush's father started in the Gulf War, and to avenge Saddam's apparent attempt to assassinate the elder Bush.

A. To secure Iraq's oil supply, thus perpetuating America's dependence on petroleum rather than launching a major drive toward energy independence.

A. To divert attention from the fact that we were unlikely to find Osama bin Laden and to concentrate instead on an enemy we could easily defeat on the open battlefield.

A. To attract terrorists from around the world to fight a consolidated war against the United States at a remote site, far from American soil.

A. To create a bigger, more telegenic war than the one in Afghanistan in order to appeal to the rising conservative tide at home -- especially after 9/11 -- and to win back the Senate for Republicans.

A. To slap down a dictator that the United States had helped in the past, especially in his war against Iran, but who then turned on his American benefactors.

A. To launch a latter-day crusade against Islam.

A. To do a favor for Israel.

A. To demonstrate that the United States is the world's only superpower and that it's willing to act in defiance of allies and apart from the United Nations.

A. None, some or all of the above.

The first two possibilities -- the one about weapons of mass destruction and the one about a Saddam-Al Qaida alliance -- have been pretty much disproved. As for the others, who knows? As I said, the question hangs in the air.

The related question about why we must remain in Iraq is easier to answer, and that's that things would be even worse if we left. But that fails to address the original question about why we invaded in the first place and leaves the mystery dangling. Years from now the history books may tell us the answers, but I'm hoping to find out sooner.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/562/5457220.html?SID=oqrj5fq8ak6c852tpioohcb144

Years from now the history books may tell us the answers, but I'm hoping to find out sooner.

I agree with author.
It could be more sonner but due our spinal cordless brethren taking much time.
Shame on us, we cannot condemns the lie even.
Rather we join and extend our hands with the occupier and puppets.
Victory belongs to Iraqi's.

Desert_Sloath
16-06-05, 04:38 PM
A. To "finish the job" that Bush's father started in the Gulf War, and to avenge Saddam's apparent attempt to assassinate the elder Bush.





yet Bush junior ends up 'successfully' murdering two of Saddam's sons ?


miskeen. But i heard Iraqis chanting :

"Berrroohh Beddam Nafdeek Ye`Saddam".


Alas Bush says " it's Zarqawi doing it for pro-Saddam Iraqis. " Why not Iraqis i wonder


i don't know !



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ti3gib
16-06-05, 04:46 PM
A. To "finish the job" that Bush's father started in the Gulf War, and to avenge Saddam's apparent attempt to assassinate the elder Bush.

I never thought of this as a possibilty ...
Does everybody think that Junior is trying to complete the Job ? ... I mean personally ?

shamsery
16-06-05, 05:59 PM
I never thought of this as a possibilty ...
Does everybody think that Junior is trying to complete the Job ? ... I mean personally ?

Many people think like that. But that is one of the reason only.

Mr Tickle
16-06-05, 08:21 PM
US media is controlled by the Jews

US media is not controlled by the Jews

which is it?

ti3gib
16-06-05, 08:30 PM
US media is controlled by the Jews

US media is not controlled by the Jews

which is it?
US media is controlled by the white house
and the white house is controlled by the jews

I belive that could be more appropriate ...
and anyway how is that relevant here ?

wudjab
16-06-05, 09:20 PM
so by progression, the US media is controlled by the Jews.

or are they not ?

which is it ?

shamsery
16-06-05, 09:49 PM
Birds of a feather flock together.

wudjab
16-06-05, 10:12 PM
Are you suffering from delerium ?

shamsery
16-06-05, 11:43 PM
No, stated the unpleasent fact.

Pineapple Thief
16-06-05, 11:57 PM
I'm not sure what jews have to do with this thread, but its off topic :)

shamsery
17-06-05, 09:07 AM
I'm not sure what jews have to do with this thread, but its off topic :)

That is my point too.
You should ensure that thread should run in its own way and none sabotage it please.

Mr Tickle
17-06-05, 01:33 PM
Tell you what, I'll give you a couple of hours to see if you can understand what I am saying:

US media is controlled by the Jews

US media is not controlled by the Jews

which is it?

Mr Tickle
17-06-05, 03:56 PM
Here's a clue:

For consistency purposes, could you tell us which US media is not controlled by the Jews?

This will help us to understand which articles that Sham posts we should ignore

After all, either the US media is controlled by Jews - or it isn't.

We can't just pick what we want

shamsery
17-06-05, 05:41 PM
In the aftermath of 9/11, our government busied itself making a case for pre-emptive war against Iraq. The threads of suspicion being woven to implicate Saddam Hussein as a participant or otherwise connected to the al-Qaida attacks on the World Trade Center were thin and suspect at best.
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I'm aware that there are some who preferred my silence and will be quick to label me unpatriotic. If I felt that patriotism were the equivalent to blind acceptance, then I, too, would think me unpatriotic. However, if patriotism is a love for one's country and devotion to its highest potential, I think my motives are equally rooted in American values, as are any of those with opposing opinions.

I will no longer take shelter amongst the masses, quiet and complicit, for in my silence reverberates the echoes of pain and anguish from a war that should have never been.

Silence no more.
http://www.theunion.com/article/20050616/OPINION/106160081

MoonShine
17-06-05, 07:08 PM
Joe Roy III is a professional bird trainer who is working on his second book about birds of prey. He lives in Grass Valley.

Do you EVER consider the source of this crap you post?

A professional bird trainer! WTF?

ti3gib
17-06-05, 08:39 PM
Do you EVER consider the source of this crap you post?

A professional bird trainer! WTF?

underestimation ...
you wan't the source ? ...

http://www.theunion.com/graphics/head_foot/header_01.gif

Mr Tickle
17-06-05, 09:49 PM
Sham,

Can you help me understand which articles in the US media are not controlled by Jews?

Thanks

(You seem to be able to pick and choose)

Pineapple Thief
17-06-05, 09:50 PM
Mr Pinnochio, you and I know that that is entirely off-topic. Feel free to start a new thread on that, if you think its worse pursuing.

Mr Tickle
20-06-05, 01:41 PM
PT

It is absolutely on-topic

How can one claim that the US media is run by Jews ............and then use articles from the US media?????

If we are going to take pasted articles seriously, we need to at least have some consistency

shamsery
20-06-05, 02:52 PM
PT

It is absolutely on-topic

How can one claim that the US media is run by Jews ............and then use articles from the US media?????

If we are going to take pasted articles seriously, we need to at least have some consistency

All the American are not Jews, All the American are not maniac, All the American are not warmonger, All the American are not pet of corporate interest, All the American do not serve the interest of War lords, All the American are not Neo Cons, All the American journalist are not embedded, All the media are not slave of Jews, All the American are not fundamentalist, All the American are not lair. All most all the mainstream media controlled by conservatives and Jews.
Do need to know more?
There are plenty of Anti War people in Americas, whom we respect from our core of heart. These intellectual truth seekers are the last resort of wisdom and hope.

Mr Tickle
20-06-05, 03:45 PM
ok

For future reference, may I assume that every single article you post is not from a US media organisation that is controlled by Jews?

Thanks