View Full Version : A Fair Trial for Saddam Hussein


shamsery
16-06-05, 03:07 PM
by Aaron Glantz

I'm not a big fan of Saddam Hussein.
I know it violated the Geneva Convention, but when photos of the deposed dictator in his underwear appeared in newspapers around the world last month, I couldn't help but smile. What else can you do when you see a man who killed hundreds of thousands during 25 years of barbarous rule virtually naked in newspapers throughout the world?

Let's just say that Saddam never allowed basic decency get in the way of burying tens of thousands of Shi'ite civilians under wheat fields near Babylon or lining up Kurdish civilians to be shot and pushed into trenches – sometimes while still alive – south of Kirkuk.

As to embarrassing him in the press, it goes without saying that Saddam would have done the same and more – public killings, sometimes broadcast live on television – were staples of his Ba'ath regime.

Still, I can't help but feel uncomfortable this week watching footage taken this week by a barely known “Iraqi judge.” And I can't help wondering why the trial is starting with a one of his relatively small crimes – the massacre of civilians in the northern city of Dujail after a failed assassination attempt in 1982.

My suspicion is that the case was chosen because it doesn't have any of the sticky geo-political implications that mar Saddam's other crimes.

Take, for example, the regime's killing of Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr on April 5, 1980. The spiritual founder of the Da'wa Party (whose current head is Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari) was executed after trying to foment an Islamic revolt against Saddam's secular state.

Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr is one of the most important Shi'ite political figures of modern times. Why not start with his case? Maybe because he's the uncle of current American enemy, cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Or maybe it's because, at the time, the Iran hostage crisis was still going on, and it's impossible to imagine that the Administration of then-U.S. President Jimmy Carter was unaware of unrest next door.

Then there is the crackdown on the Da'wa Party itself – when tens of thousands of innocent Shi'ite were killed under the watch of U.S. President Ronald Reagan, who sent current Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to Baghdad and met Tariq Aziz at the White House shortly after the killings concluded.

A declassified official note from Rumsfeld's trip reads: "Saddam Hussein showed obvious pleasure with the President's letter and Rumsfeld's visits in his remarks."

Neither the killing of Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr nor the crackdown on the Da'awa Party are among the 14 charges filed against Saddam.

None of this should be surprising, of course. Since the toppling of Saddam's regime on April 9, 2003, the Bush Administration has been extremely careful in planning Saddam's trial.

At first, the Bush Administration appointed Salem Chalabi to try Saddam Hussein. Salem Chalabi is the nephew of former CIA man Ahmed Chalabi and the lead lawyer for a number of international companies doing business in Iraq. The Bush Administration only removed Salem Chalabi from the case after his uncle lost favor with Washington over ties to Iran.

These are just a few of the conflicts of interest inherent in trying Saddam in Iraq under American occupation. His trial and the occupation need to be separated if truth is to be told and justice to be done.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0615-20.htm

Bush Administration has been extremely careful in planning Saddam's trial.
Why ?
They are the same ammout of guilty in the past with Saddam.
But now, they have commited the crime by occupaying a country and history will trail them if even Arads remin hide.

Mr Tickle
16-06-05, 03:28 PM
Sham,

You seem to know an awful lot about what crimes the prosecutors will talk about

Do you want them to talk about every single one at the same time?

shamsery
16-06-05, 03:50 PM
Sham,

You seem to know an awful lot about what crimes the prosecutors will talk about

Do you want them to talk about every single one at the same time?

Bush Administration has been extremely careful in planning Saddam's trial.
Do you understand the meaning , please?
Why not from Iran Iraq war?
American co operation to violet human rights and support to other crime?
Gassing the kurd( Read my other thread related to issue in the same forum, look to the confusion)?

Desert_Sloath
16-06-05, 04:29 PM
i, eye, i, don't know but there seems as if AMERICANs are on ALL sides of the episode/s ? Who has been writing the senario then ? No wonder ARABs are absent from ALL this ! It needs a lot of energy. Perhaps 'viagra' can do ? !



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shamsery
16-06-05, 06:11 PM
It needs a lot of energy.

Yes Mr DS
It needs energy, patience and self-respect.
Perseverance to find out the truth.
Unfortunately
There is lack of it.

Mr Tickle
16-06-05, 08:17 PM
I must have missed something

Has Saddam had his trial yet?

shamsery
17-06-05, 09:31 AM
I must have missed something

Has Saddam had his trial yet?

For your eyes,
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31311

Mr Tickle
17-06-05, 01:30 PM
You seem to have forgotten to answer the question:

Has Saddam had his trial yet?

shamsery
17-06-05, 01:51 PM
You seem to have forgotten to answer the question:

Has Saddam had his trial yet?

Don't you know ?

Mr Tickle
17-06-05, 03:18 PM
its just that you seem to know so much it

I guess I must have fell asleep

Lym
17-06-05, 04:06 PM
If " Bush's Administration " are organizing/planning the trial in a certain order , then I don't see the point. I mean , his verdict would either be life imprisoment or the death penalty. The order of the trial should not affect the outcome , maybe the administration want to save the most severe of crimes for the end , to have an ever lasting impression on the judge. Therefore a more severe punishment.

I still don't understand why would then plan the "order" of the crime in a certain way from being the least severe to the more popular ones ! Interesting Question though.

shamsery
17-06-05, 05:06 PM
I guess I must have fell asleep
This is true statement mr pinnochio,
You the people are sleeping.

“By avoiding the fact you will walk over the corpses of at least 100,000 people, most of them innocent women and children and the elderly, slaughtered by rapacious forces sent by Blair and Bush, unprovoked and in defiance of international law, to a defenseless country.”

shamsery
17-06-05, 05:12 PM
Saddam defense team kept in the dark - chief lawyer

AMMAN (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein's chief lawyer on Thursday accused the Iraqi Special Tribunal and United States of deliberately keeping his team in the dark by ignoring repeated requests for legal documents.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050616/ts_nm/iraq_saddam_lawyer_dc_1

Read for details

shamsery
17-06-05, 05:24 PM
The legal team representing Saddam Hussein appealed to justice ministers in Sweden to consider staging the toppled Iraqi leader’s trial.

London-based legal adviser Giovanni Di Stefano says, “I don’t believe in a fair trial under the conditions of war apparent in Iraq. How can you calmly talk with a client or hear witnesses when there are bombs exploding?”

Attorney Di Stefano also said that "Sweden is a neutral country, but we may not succeed. They were against the American invasion of Iraq. Poland was drawn by the promises of the United States and sent its forces to Iraq in good faith.”


http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=8951

shamsery
17-06-05, 05:28 PM
"Saddams interrogation illegal"

The interrogation of the former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein without the presence of his lawyers was “illegal”, said a member of Saddam’s defence team, following the release of a new video showing the ousted leader being quizzed by a judge.

Mr Tickle
17-06-05, 09:47 PM
Sham,

Has Saddam had his trial yet?

(Or shall we debate rumour?)

Pineapple Thief
17-06-05, 09:57 PM
Pinnochio, you seem to be a master of the irrelevant or the obvious. You never face the issues head on. That would be a start, I think.

wudjab
17-06-05, 10:32 PM
Whats eating you PT ?

This topic is claiming that Saddam hasn't had a fair trial.... when he hasn't been put on trial as yet.

So asking whether we are debating facts or rumours is perfectly legitimate.