Hadith 2

[Mr Tickle]

Translation of Sahih Bukhari

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126:
Narrated Imran:

The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) Fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women."

[shamsery]

Translation of Sahih Bukhari

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126:
Narrated Imran:

The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) Fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women."

Do you understand what you have quoted?

[jack]

Lets take it line by line and see if we can get what this means shams?

The Prophet said,=The prophet said something ... quote.

"I looked at Paradise= can we assume he meant heaven?

and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor;= There are more poor people than rich people in heaven ... goin to guess this means money won't get you to heaven and poor people do more good deeds than rich people by obeying Allahs law.

and I looked at the (Hell) Fire = can we assume this means hell?

and saw that the majority of its residents were women."= can we apply the inverse of the first concerning poor people in heaven? majority of women do not obey Allah law ... bad girls :p

Anything to add shams?

[shamsery]

Mr.Jack,
You have simplified the issue.
Anyone on the board can analyze the worlds like you.
Regarding the Hadith , you are to know its background.
Do you interpret the works Dante, T. S. Eliot, Robert Frost, James Joyce, Ezra Pound, Edward FitzGerald in this way.

Do you think, interpreting Hadith is so easy?
Can you elaborate the Hadith with it inner significance?
Looking for your interpretation.

[jack]

Do you think, interpreting Hadith is so easy?
Can you elaborate the Hadith with it inner significance?
Looking for your interpretation.This one is pretty straight forward shams ...

That is my interpretation.

Please give us your version (interpretation)? It should be interesting!

[Mr Tickle]

Here are some other ones (look forward to your interpretation Sham):

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 31:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Evil omen was mentioned before the Prophet: The Prophet said, "If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman and the horse."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30:
Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.'

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:
Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."

[Mr Tickle]

and my favourite:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

[Arabian Prince]

mr pinnochio.. we can all see that your skills have improved in copying and posting parts of articles and/or quoting.

Would you care telling us whats the main reason behind posting these controversial sayings (ahadeeth) in particular, that would do nothing but promote a rather hostile debate?

[shamsery]

Some people are asking to explain the Hadith.
Yea , that’s true that some of them are non-believer.
Perhaps they don’t know, how the Hadith were compiled and why?
I respect their right to ask.
If we think it is controversial, please narrate them the reason of controversy.
I don’t understand why their inquisitiveness will ignite hostility.

[shamsery]

Here are some other ones (look forward to your interpretation Sham):

Sorry Mr pinnochio,
I am not competent , legal authority to explain /narrate Hadith.
Please try with others.

[Mr Tickle]

Arabian Prince,

1) Are you saying that Sahih Bukhari is controversial?

2) How else am I going to post a verse from a hadeeth without coying and pasting it?

Sham,

Typical avoidance

How about you attempt to interpret these verses - without running away?

Don't worry, I won't hold you to it

[Mr Tickle]

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 113:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some crookedness."

[Mr Tickle]

Sham

am looking forward to your interpretations

[Arabian Prince]

Dear mr pinnochio it saddens me to say that if this were a clash of intellects then you would certainly be unarmed!

Is that all you could get out of what I had to say to you.. try to pick on my simplest wording... *tsk tsk* I must say you're better off at copying and posting..

1) No I am not saying that Sahih Bukhari is controversial.. I'm saying that by putting these a7adeeth (sayings) up you aim at nothing but a rather hostile debate that questions Islam and its ideals am I not correct???

2) Once again.. saddens me how you find it self satisfactory to pick on members each and every word in posts..


Anyhow this is no place for chit chat..
Sorry people! :)

[Mr Tickle]

AP,

Nice(ish) deflection

1) Look at your post and tell me that it is not possible to interpret the word 'controversial' in relation to Bukhari

2) Who said any 'debate' would be hostile?

Are you afraid of discussing it - or is it just that you have an ostrich fetish?

PS It is an honour to be patronised by you

[Pineapple Thief]

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:
Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."

That ones easy. We all know that women bring out the worst in us ;) A man will stab his brother in the back over a woman.

Do we blame the woman? Not necessarily. Women may or may not seduce, but ultimately its the man's choice whether to fall for it or not.

I think this is generally accepted the world over - unless one chooses to interpret the hadith differently? Allocating all the blame to women? One could do that, but its just another interpretation.

[Enigma]

Thread is split as I'd rather you guys didn't mess up Malak's thread ;)

[Mr Tickle]

Fair enough Mr Pineapple

[shamsery]

Sham,

Typical avoidance

How about you attempt to interpret these verses - without running away?

Don't worry, I won't hold you to it

Explaning Hadith is a matter of great skill and that I don’t have.
"Better untaught than ill taught."

[Mr Tickle]

pathetic ostrich avoidance

What a surprise

What are you scared of?

[Pineapple Thief]

I wasn't aware that this was a personal confrontation.

[Mr Tickle]

I am looking for Sham to help me (as a non-Muslim) understand what these Hadiths might mean

[DeSerTDesTroYeR]

mr pinnochio: If its only shamsery explainiation you looking for then please do contact him through PM or email. Sabla is for open discussions and threads not personal selection ones. And shamsery has all the right to post or not in any thread he wants, without giving reasons to anyone. Everyone has such freedom. So dont impose. Thank you.

[wudjab]

DD,

if Mr. Sham can respond to other members with quotes like


Do you understand what you have quoted?

and


Mr.Jack,
You have simplified the issue.
Anyone on the board can analyze the worlds like you.
Regarding the Hadith , you are to know its background.
Do you interpret the works Dante, T. S. Eliot, Robert Frost, James Joyce, Ezra Pound, Edward FitzGerald in this way.

Do you think, interpreting Hadith is so easy?
Can you elaborate the Hadith with it inner significance?
Looking for your interpretation.

then that presupposes that he is challenging the poster. He then needs to step and explain why he challenged in the first case.

This is endemic.

Post your nonsense and when questioned, avoid the issue, do not reply, and then claim you are not the person to ask !

If the person is not qualified to respond, then that person should stay away from the topic itself.

[DeSerTDesTroYeR]

wudjab: Not quite, members can ask those who already posted some points to explain what they already said. While asking those who didnt point something or already pointed out that they lack in explaining is something else.

Thats why everyone is welcome to post anywhere, but not impose what they want. Once might be ok .. but keep doing it is just too much dont you think.

And lets not keep on going off topic.

[Mr Tickle]

Enough deflecting DD

I'll take interpretations from anyone

including you

[Raed]

and my favourite:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

continue the 7adeeth without choping it.

[Raed]

Pinocchio,

A heart filled with hate, has no room for faith. Now, I have said many times that it is unfair to chip chop any incident without describing it fully. You say a testimony like that and you are in serious trouble, cause you are diverting the juries from reconstructing the event as it happened.

Now see it as it happened not as you want to cut the story to fit.. well lets say a sick imagination nevertheless.

Jaber bn Abdullah was a young man at the time a young lad, who the prophet- peace be upon him- heard got married to a much older lady than he was, to his amazement the prophet wandered why this young man chose a lady so much older than he is (like a father would question his son's decision getting married to an old lady , you would do that if your son wanted to wouldn’t you ? at least getting a feed back )

What you do not seem want to tell people – that jabber says : oh messenger of Allah, I have little brothers and sisters that only a lady of experience can help raising.

Then the prophet agrees with his decision.


The verb used is (daa3ab) toda3eboha wa toda3ebok if I can remember and may God forgive any miss wording on my behalf.

If you are Arabic you would actually realize that this is the most innocent verb used in the whole of this rich language we call Arabic, to describe what goes between a man and his woman as opposed to the descriptive pornographic pages within the bible*. Need I teach you about your own book?

I dare you to read some of what is in the bible to a group of kids, unless you are jacko the whacko. I on the other hand can say this hadeith to many kids without having to worry about what they have in mind, because it is more innocent than their minds.


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*Hebrew Bible is replete with stories that have sexual themes. Genesis itself
has more than 30 stories that deal with sexual.

source (www.siecus.org/religion/reli0001.html )

[Mr Tickle]

Thanks Raed

To be fair to me, I did not chop the Hadith at all. I posted it as it was written here:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/

[Mr Tickle]

Is Ostrich a delicacy?