She3a and Marriage !!

[Fast_HacKinG]

I just read *SuGuR* thread and I was always wondering about something really annoying me. We are in an educative and religious country and almost every house is occupied with education and more wholly with religion.

With all my respect to all she3a people but I wonder this:

Why they don’t let their women to marry a man from other math'hab? (Abathy, Sonie .. etc ) and perhaps same to she3a men?


I think this is really making it a serious problem in our society, or what do you think?


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PS: I'm sorry but don't know where to post there, cause I'm not sure if it is a social problem nor religious one! So moderators feel free to move the thread to the right place

[Arabian Princess]

well I am sure that any ibadhi would prefer to marry an ibadhi one, and so goes to other mathaheb .. its a matter of prefrence ..

I know few girls from She3a mathahab married to people who arent she3a!

[NaBHaN]

As arby said , the same actually happens with people from other sects .anyways .. its not always true and we have big examples in my family ( who are mostly shee3a) and they ended up marrying people from other sects.

[Fast_HacKinG]

Yeah I heard that, my cousin husband is lawait I mean she3y and she is abathi which few we can see here in Oman who let their childern to marry from other math'hab.

I'm still looking for an answer of my questions :(

[Fast_HacKinG]

As arby said , the same actually happens with people from other sects .anyways .. its not always true and we have big examples in my family ( who are mostly shee3a) and they ended up marrying people from other sects.


But some she3a are really very strict on this case? I wonder why ? Does that do something with the faction?

[Pineapple Thief]

I think its just a cultural thing here. Its the same with certain tribes of every mathhab. Some certain Lawati families seem to be very strict about such things, but not all of them. But I think those certain families kind of set the reputation.

But I'm speaking as an outsider: I dont really know because Im not Lawati. Better ask a Lawati! :D

But as I said I think its the same for different sects of different tribes: i've heard as such (my dad wont let me marry him because hes not ibadhi/sunni/shee3i/etc.)

[Muscati]

With all respect, Fast Hacking, you are talking out of your own opinion without really knowing much about this. As a matter of fact if there ever were statistics on this issue you'll find that it's probably the other mathahib who restrict their children from marrying she3a more than the other way around. I am shi3i and my wife is ibadhiya. I'd be lying if I said it was easy to marry her. But it's not because my family refused. My family actually agreed the minute I told them I want to marry her. But they told me "do you think her family will let their daughter marry a shi3i?"

And that's the right question to ask, because unfortunately in most families in Oman that is still a big issue. And they are much more likely to allow their sons marry shi3i girls than to allow their daughters marry shi3i men. I know a whole lot more shi3i girls who are married to ibadhi and sunni men than shi3i men who are married to ibadhi girls. In fact the sunna are much more lenient about this than the ibadha.

But even in this there is segregation. For example the same family that might refuse to allow their daughter to marry a shi3i guy might be a bit more accepting of a sunni guy. But then there comes a whole extra layer of racism on top. Like the family that is accepting of sunna might not be accepting of a baluchi. Being sunni and baluchi or zadjali is a double X on a guy. Of course the biggest thing is on lawatia, not only are you shi3i you're not even an Arab. How dare you think you can marry our daughter. But hey, if you have a sister maybe we'll let our son marry her.

The issue here isn't about the shi3a at all. It's about the hypocrisy and racism that's burried deep inside our Omani society.

[I|( Bent Qatar )|I]

In Qatar, the two major methaab are Sunni and Shee3a..

You can find a sunni guy marrying a shee3y girl,,it's few though..
But, the opposite is SOOOOOO RARE..

Ok, one might say we are from the same country and if the mathaahb are different, the traditions are the same..But, really many problems arise in such marriages..Specially, when there are children.. You find them confused between the two.."Do I pray like my mom or like my father..?" is one single example..
The childern might ask about the difference, and why they exist,,what is right and what is wrong..Can you imagine the disagreements in one house about that..!!
This is not good for the unity and stability of the family..

Adding to that the cofusion when they visit their relatives, mom's and dad's, and notice the differences..And again "What's right..?"

Don't forget the pressure on the husband from his family,,and on the wife from hers..

In some cases, the women convert to the other methehaab,,this might solve the problems in her house..But, what about her family..??

[*FaLLiNG STaR*]

mmm well some she3a do find problem in allowing their daughters/sons to marry non-shee3a but to be honest i dont really know why.... but its not that big of deal..

[Cute_One]

Bent qatar ur so true ,,, my sister in law (To be) is she3a .. and i think my family is a typical qatari family which can be called racist to. some extent . i know if it was the oppositte it wouldnt happen ....

[CrazyReD]

Muscati said it best can't top that

[SteLLa]

can life be so unfair ?? we should go back 2 wt elrasool said on marriage coz its the best way wether we like it or not ..

[Cute_One]

well now that we know how racism can be hurtful .... we can change that within ourselves for the next generation ....

[Enigma]

I'm sorry, I don't see how this thread is about racisim or how its even a problem.

If the shee3a don't want their daughters to marry an abadhi or sunni man or the latter don't want their daughters to marry a shee3a, I completely understand.

Everyone here seems to be forgetting that the children usually follow daddy's religious sect. NATURALLY the parents would like to see their grandchildren joining the same sect as themselves. Differences in religious beliefs are a sensitive issue; and are quite important amongst families.

It might seem unfair that the sons can marry whoever they want, whilst the daughters are limited, but if you think about it, its just common sense.

Its a beautiful thing to see a family get along even though their religious beliefs are different, but lets be realistic here.. how often are those things not an issue?

Its not just about possible future problems.. but..well I don't know about you but I personally would like my family to hold nearly the same traditional beliefs as my own; because I would like to teach them and share what I know with them. That's not really a bad thing.

[Pineapple Thief]

Ideally,

1) All sects would be abolished. It may not be realistic, but in any case;

2) The children should be free to decide what sect they choose. I know children of shee3a parents who chose to be sunni. And vice versa. It happens, and it should be allowed to happen. Therefore, intersect marriage should not be an issue at all, at least when talking about the issue of children.

[CrazyReD]

so religion is about following what ur parents follow and not what an individual think is right?

[Enigma]

so religion is about following what ur parents follow and not what an individual think is right?
Simplifying the issue will not help you to understand it :)

I said I understood it, I didn't say I would do it. These parents ideas make sense to me; though I don't plan on practicing them myself.

[Fast_HacKinG]

As a matter of fact if there ever were statistics on this issue you'll find that it's probably the other mathahib who restrict their children from marrying she3a more than the other way around

This is something really new to me as the majority of people in Oman knew that She3a people who don't want their daughters (and let's say sons too). Mind me Muscati, but really she3a children themselves (maybe not all) are aware of this and I can tell that from the story of that she3a girl who tried to commit suicide because she were in love with another guy who's not she3i and her family refused him when he wanted to marry her!

To turn that it is the way around "as you claim and with my respect", why everyone knows that it is hard to marry from she3a families ( at least here in oman!) ? There are those family who has this in their mind, marrying from she3a family is almost impossible, not because the other family ( who are from other sects than she3a) they don't want to marry from their girls but they has this thing on their mind that she3a people don't let their daughters marry from other sects? Why do think these families have this thing on their head? Though, and thankfully our family is not one of these as my cousin got married from she3a man while we are abathi !


I know a whole lot more shi3i girls who are married to ibadhi and sunni men than shi3i men who are married to ibadhi girls

According to my knowledge and information it is the way around I guess and again it is rare thing ( well, at least for the last three-five years? )


Of course the biggest thing is on lawatia, not only are you shi3i you're not even an Arab. How dare you think you can marry our daughter. But hey, if you have a sister maybe we'll let our son marry her.

I didn't understand this :D ?


The issue here isn't about the shi3a at all. It's about the hypocrisy and racism that's burried deep inside our Omani society.

I can understand what you mean by hypocrisy and racism but do you really think it is the actual issue? How hypocrisy and racism can be the issue and not she3a themselves? If the issue isn't about she3a then why they SCARCELY let their daughters and sons marry from other sects?



Bent Qatar, so you think one of the reasons in this matter, that she3a people don't want their grandchildren to be in such religious commotion and social relation problems?


can life be so unfair ?? we should go back 2 wt elrasool said on marriage coz its the best way wether we like it or not

There weren't sects before our prophet Mohammed (SAW) so what do you mean
here?




well now that we know how racism can be hurtful .... we can change that within ourselves for the next generation

Change what? Let's solve this first for god's sake! ;)


NATURALLY the parents would like to see their grandchildren joining the same sect as themselves. Differences in religious beliefs are a sensitive issue; and are quite important amongst families.

So you think it is about religious beliefs? Make my day and tell me how?


It might seem unfair that the sons can marry whoever they want, whilst the daughters are limited, but if you think about it, its just common sense.

Limited because her children are going to follow their dad's sects? And how it can be a common sense? Tell me why she3a men can marry whoever they want ( means even from other sects ) while women do not? Tell me in god's name isn't this a real sarcasm and racism? They worry about their daughters but they don’t think that others worry about their daughters too?



The children should be free to decide what sect they choose. I know children of shee3a parents who chose to be sunni. And vice versa. It happens, and it should be allowed to happen. Therefore, intersect marriage should not be an issue at all, at least when talking about the issue of children

Maybe this would help solving the problem but the question is as CrazyRed mentioned


so religion is about following what ur parents follow and not what an individual think is right?


What is making it worse that no one is illiterate or ignorant, regardless to the belief on each sects it is importantly to be aware that our god is one ( ALLAH ) and our prophet is one ( Mohammed SAW )

[CrazyReD]

and to add on that our Quran is one and that we all pray facing the same qabla we all go haj to the same place.

I guess we can't really generalize that shee3a or non shee3a have smthin against each other there are differences but then there are worse cases for refusing marriage then this (which sholdn't be discussed in this thread)

I've seen both sides in the end it's up to the person

[Pineapple Thief]

I think its a perspective issue. The majority of Omanis are either are not shee3a, and have an image of the shee3a being extremely difficult to marry. The shee3as, on the other hand, probably collectively agree amongst themselves that marrying into other sects is difficult. It could just be that, as you say fast hacking, 'most omanis' know this because 'most omanis' are not shee3a, and thus see it from the perspective of the sunnis/ibadhis trying to marry into the shee3a.

[Muscati]

Fast Hacking, it's way too hot and I just got in from being in the sun and I really can't be bothered to reply again in this topic even though you have put in a lot of time replying to what I wrote. Please don't be offended.

All I'm going to say is just because you have a generalized view it doesn't mean it's true. It's easyf or an outsider to think something but it's only those who are living the same reality who know how it really is.

Like it or not, there's a lot of racism in our society. Let's face the fact, Lawatia are originally from India and Baluchis are from Baluchistan. Even if all lawatia and baluchis were to convert into ibadhism they will still have problem marrying from "omani" families. Add the sect on top of that and it's a really big problem.

I will not say that racism is not two sided. Of course there are lots of lawatia and shi3i families that are equally racist and prejudiced who want their kids to marry from their own people. But the fact is, it is more of a problem for a shi3i man to marry ibadhi girl than it is for an ibadhi guy to marry a shi3i girl. That's just how it is.

While you are writing based on your personal opinion. I am writing from personal experience.

[CrazyReD]

Muscati the origin of lawatiya can be debated ;)

but i guess thats another thread

[sophis^catrina]

I think it really depends on the particular family, rather than all the shee3ies collectively. As Muscati said, his family did not mind. But also I think most of the time it's the girl's family that is very reluctant for her to get married elsewhere, for thr simple reason that the children take after the father. So if the girl's family is shee3ie (lawatia, etc) they'll be very reluctant for her to get married elsewhere. Same if the girl is Ibadhi it would be very hard for her to get married elsehere.

I know a story when the girl is a lawatia/shee3ie, she wanted to get married to her childhood sweetheart, Ibadhi/pure Omani, her mum refused totally. Even when the guy said he will become a shee3ie, her mother still refused.

It really varies from family to family.

My cousins are seen as Ibadhi, but I remember once we asked our grandfather if any of us could get married to a Balushi. And he was like, even though it is not something he would encourage, but it would be okay. I also asked my grandmother if I could get married to a lawatia, the answer was similar, that they would not encourage and would not really like it, but they would agree.

[mimosa]

It is a common trait in minority communities to try to preserve their culture through marrying within the community. A fear of loss of identity, religious observance or language through "dilution" with the wider community is something which old people in particular can feel. Oman has a particular problem in two respects: Even the larger ethnic or religious communities seem to have the same paranoia about losing their own family's "purity". And secondly, Oman actively promotes a universal culture in that minority languages are not taught in school, there are no minority cultural preservation institutions, either official or non-goverment, and there is one official religious sect.

Although I agree with Muscati that things are improving, I also agree with him that this problem pervades all parts of Omani society. And when individual culture is stepped upon in favour of a made-up "Omani Ibadhi Arab" standard version, there is no wonder.

[IceTea]

With all my respect to shi3a but I wonder if a shi3i man married sunni or Ibadhi woman and then he starts practicing mut3a with other women. How his wife will feel and respond to this?!

[CrazyReD]

I'm preety sure really mad but I guess it's better then Zina

[IceTea]

The opposite of zina in Islam is polygamy (ta3adud) and not mut3a.

The issue is not easy CR, in other mathahib the mut3a is considered haram, so it means if the wife knew that her husband commit mut3a then it's like zina and then his wife should ask for a divorce.

[CrazyReD]

maybe I really have no Idea

my question would be why go have mut3a when you are married already?

I guess the wife needs to bring that point up before getting married to him

[mimosa]

Most women would get pretty mad about ta3ddud as well, so what.

[IceTea]

The ta3adud is 7alal as stated in the Quran.

[Pineapple Thief]

I dont really know any shee3a who actually practice mut3a (if they do, they dont tell me anyway).

[mimosa]

Tea,

And mut3a is 7alal according to Shi3a scholars' interpretation of a7adeeth. The point is that all sects have 7alal things to which individual men or women might object. It is therefore important that they understand each other before marriage and want the same things - that's about relationships, and nothing to do with sect.

Napple,

I've met a lot of Sunnis and Ibadhis who go with hookers though. Best not to be judgemental; it's about people, not their sect.

[IceTea]

mimo, it's a matter of beliefs. Shee3a say mut3a is 7alal but all other sects treat is as 7aram since the prophet banned it. And it's against the Islamic marraige principles and goals, which treat the woman as a sex toy only since it's meant for pleasure.

Now, my point is when a seh3i man marrys other woman from other math'hab then it means there will be a conflict between the two beliefs and thus it's not accepted for a woman to be a wife of a man who commit zina if she knows that.

[Pineapple Thief]

My point was not that are in any way better than non-shee3a. I meant that I dont think this mut3a thing is particularly widely practiced, based on the fact that I rarely hear about it. Im sure theres lots of shee3is, sunnis and ibadhis who go with hookers - I hear about that a lot more often too!

[IceTea]

The issue is not being widely practiced or not but a risk to consider when it comes to such marraiges.

[Dr N]

Well at least mut3a is not widely practiced.

But tell me exactly how many men go behind their wives from other mathahib like Sunni, and marry women in secret? I thought that the whole idea about marriage was that it is the 'announcement' that the two are living together as husband as wife, and not to live a secret, deceiving life, where the wife can't tell anyone that she's married and that the man who comes to her house late at night is her husband.

That's even worse!

[mimosa]

7aram since the prophet banned it. And it's against the Islamic marraige principles and goals, which treat the woman as a sex toy only since it's meant for pleasure.

That is a deliberately offensive insult to Shia brothers and sisters to imply that they have ignored the Prophet. Their scholars read those a7adeeth one way and yours read it another, that's all there is to it. Allah yasm7ak.

[Dr N]

Exactly ice t, all I'm gonna say is allah yisam7ak. Stop pretending like you know everything when it comes to religion, because our scholars are so into the religion and 3aqeeda, and I respect their opinions because to me, they make sense. So show some respect,like I always ask you to.

[IceTea]

Well at least mut3a is not widely practiced.

But tell me exactly how many men go behind their wives from other mathahib like Sunni, and marry women in secret? I thought that the whole idea about marriage was that it is the 'announcement' that the two are living together as husband as wife, and not to live a secret, deceiving life, where the wife can't tell anyone that she's married and that the man who comes to her house late at night is her husband.

That's even worse!


Well I can't say if it's widely spread or not but I heard that it's practiced a lot in Iran, no idea about Oman though!

dr n, I don't know whay make comparisons to defend your point, if other people are doing mistakes does that justify doing another mistake or a sin. Yes Islamic marraige should be announced and if some muslim men didn't announce it doesn't mean what they do is right.

[IceTea]

Exactly ice t, all I'm gonna say is allah yisam7ak. Stop pretending like you know everything when it comes to religion, because our scholars are so into the religion and 3aqeeda, and I respect their opinions because to me, they make sense. So show some respect,like I always ask you to.


Allah yisam7na jamee3an.

I'm not pretending dr n, but there is a Hadith which says that the prophet banned mut3a and the meat of 7umr ahliya at khaibar time.

And you say it makes sense to you, then why Allah allow ta3adud if a man is allowed to have mut3a? Don't you agree that men will abuse girls but sleeping with girl after girl?

[Muscati]

IceTea... 7abeebi...

since you hate shee3a so much just don't marry one and don't let your daughter marry one. but if you have any sons it's ok if you let them marry shee3a girls since they'll have non-shi3i kids which you can teach to be bigots like you... maybe you can even make them hate their shee3i mother.

[Dr N]

Exactly ice t, you dont like shi3a's then just stay from them, but at the same time just stop spreading your fatwa's and spare us from reading them because they just don't make any sense.

[IceTea]

Muscati, who said I hate anyone that is what you assume only. I was rasing a concern related to the topic but you are dr n always get sensitive about the issue when touched.

dr n, I'm not spreading any fatwa. I was expecting you to answer my questions above but you decide to attack me instead.

[Dr N]

Ice t,

I believe that mut3a has it's own conditions, it's not something random that can be just done, so stop using it as a means to prove how 'bad' shi3a's are.

It's not that common, and if some people do abuse mut3a, then blame those people individually instead of attacking the whole sect.

Don't you think that Sunni men do abuse the women they marry in secret? They live a big lie, and they can't look anyone into their eyes and tell them that they are married. And to be honest, I'm not so sure how valid this marriage is, since the most important and basic element is missing.

[Dr N]

Oh and I think we better go back to the main topic.

If you still want to discuss this, open a seperate thread. This is about shi3a's marrying into other families.

[mimosa]

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[IceTea]

Ice t,

I believe that mut3a has it's own conditions, it's not something random that can be just done, so stop using it as a means to prove how 'bad' shi3a's are.

It's not that common, and if some people do abuse mut3a, then blame those people individually instead of attacking the whole sect.


Even if it has conditions it remains mut3a, ya3ny for pleasure only and Islamic marraige is not for pleasure but to make a family, raise kids to be part of the society and raise the word of Allah.

And common or not the risk of a shee3i husband making mut3a will be there since he consider it 7alal.



Don't you think that Sunni men do abuse the women they marry in secret? They live a big lie, and they can't look anyone into their eyes and tell them that they are married. And to be honest, I'm not so sure how valid this marriage is, since the most important and basic element is missing.

I'm not sunni and I commented about this in above post, so no need to repeat things.

[IceTea]

What have you done mimosa?

[mimosa]

Not mut3a or ta3addud! But sometimes Tea you make me think angry thoughts for which I should seek forgiveness!

[IceTea]

Asta3'firallah.

[sophis^catrina]

Thanks guys for the very interesting Zawaj Mut3a's validity discussion. :p Unfortunately, this is not part of the thread, so I've moved it to religion.

Ice Tea asked a very important question on a shee3ie getting married to a non-shee3ie and what happens if the shee3ie holds on to the belief that mut3a is halal and he is free to do it. The question was never really answered and the topic deviated. So I please ask you all to now move on to the original question that Fast Hacking asked on why sheei3ie families are reluctant to marry elsewhere.

:)

[IceTea]

Thanks guys for the very interesting Zawaj Mut3a's validity discussion. :p Unfortunately, this is not part of the thread, so I've moved it to religion.

Ice Tea asked a very important question on a shee3ie getting married to a non-shee3ie and what happens if the shee3ie holds on to the belief that mut3a is halal and he is free to do it. The question was never really answered and the topic deviated. So I please ask you all to now move on to the original question that Fast Hacking asked on why sheei3ie families are reluctant to marry elsewhere.

:)


So you are the one who moved it, I thought nigma ;)

Yes the point which I raised never answered, maybe someone should direct it to the mufti.

[fatamooo]

Ok, answering the original question, I think that the shee3a who are very strict about their children marrying shee3a have this opinion because they basically want the kids to be shee3a and follow what they think is the right principles - I know that all major sects of Islam believe in the same main things, but the smaller details do branch out into more minor beliefs and morals and other parts of the sharee3a. And these shee3a think that their way is the most correct - there's nothing wrong with that I think, a lot of people believe strongly in their own sects.

And there are the rare exceptions that shee3a kids will marry non-shee3as, but I think it's just because they're shee3a by name but not by belief. Or because they have a reeeealllly open-minded family.

But I don't see why it's such a big deal that some shee3a want to stay married to shee3as and some abatha want to stay married to abatha. People just feel more secure with their own kind. Thats normal.

[BaBeLiCiOuS]

Well i know a friend who wants to convert to shee3a just to get to marry the person she loves who is shee3i because he told her that his parents wont allow him to marry a girl unless she is shee3a when she was on the verge of doing that he told her well i spoke to my parents and they say they want a girl who is ORGINALLY shee3a not CONVERTED to shee3a... so don't u think the parents are being unfair here ?

[Paradise Babe]

^^^^Ofcourse there an fair..
One of my friends is Shee3a and she got married to a suni guy! she loved the guy and told her parents if they didnt allow her to get married to him.. that wont stop her from loving him and talking to him.. so elhamdolilah her parents agreed and now shes happy with her husband and they've been married now for more than 3 years :)
I think now adays it became normal to marry a person who is not from ur Mathhab..
unless the family is super strick.. than its another case!

[CrazyReD]

I don't think it's Islamicly correct that a shee3a or sunni parents who don't allow thier children to get married to other mathab. we are all muslims for crying out loud 7amdlila in my family it's not like that

but yeah it's even worse for someone to just convert to a mathab to satisfy her bf or gf if you change ur mathab do it cause you want to

[IceTea]

And these shee3a think that their way is the most correct -

What do you mean by thier way?

[Pineapple Thief]

Well i know a friend who wants to convert to shee3a just to get to marry the person she loves who is shee3i because he told her that his parents wont allow him to marry a girl unless she is shee3a when she was on the verge of doing that he told her well i spoke to my parents and they say they want a girl who is ORGINALLY shee3a not CONVERTED to shee3a... so don't u think the parents are being unfair here ?


I'm not sure about this kind of situation....to change ur mathhab/religion just because someone u love is a different mathhab...well thats a very shakey religious stance, because ur not convinced of the new mathhab yet...

[fatamooo]

Ice Tea - I meant their way of praying for example, and their interpretation of the Quran and Sunna, and their interpretation of history as well.
Babelicious, I know some family members who say that you must have an entire shee3i family with a shee3i dad and granddad in order to marry a shee3i woman or man. It's a bit OTT, but what to do?

[Homeless]

its just so amazing how ppl fight for peace when ppl from the same country,same religion and nearly same beliefs wont accept eachother until this day...