Do we need any change?

[shamsery]

"Third group says " we follow the Qura'an and then we're the ones who are promised with heaven rest are kafirs, therefore they're going to hell."

"Maybe if we stop thinking that way, and allow everyone to follow whatever they wish without so much of SHOW, TALK, LAUGHING at each other, against each other and try to show love to HUMAN BEINGS, LIVING CREATURES, then we can live in peace in this world...."

"How can you come part of their belief? "



Prophet Muhammad (s) was born in 570A.D.
The Quran was revealed in 610 A.D.
Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)died in the evening of the twelfth of Rabi’ al-Awwal (June 8, 632 A.D.) at the age of sixty-three.
All happened in 7th century.
The Qur’an does not contain even a word from the Prophet.
The Qur'an speaks in the first person, i.e., Allah's commandments to His creation.

This is the dawn of 21st century and we are equipped with technology, scientific knowledge, and new philosophy of secularism, rock and roll culture etc,.
Do we need any amendment, change, and alteration to cope up with the present era?

[MsKnuckles]

hmmm...I'm not sure I get it.... change in what way? :think:

[shamsery]

hmmm...I'm not sure I get it.... change in what way? :think:
Is my question unclear to you?

All happened in 7th century.
This is the dawn of 21st century and we are equipped with technology, scientific knowledge, and new philosophy of secularism, rock and roll culture etc,.
Do we need any amendment, change, and alteration to cope up with the present era?
Do you feel to change?

[MsKnuckles]

if u ask which changes we need in the 21st century I would say the changes are countless... the places with good technology and scientific knowledge are getting there... but most of the changes have to be made in those places where people still live as if they were still in the 17th century... i feel there needs to be a change in many countries physically and mentaly... it would take much longer for people to develope their thoughts and traditional beliefs than developing the city itself... I hope I understood the Q....

[jack]

http://www.secularislam.org/

[shamsery]

if u ask which changes we need in the 21st century I would say the changes are countless..... .
No hide and seek.
Come to reply strait please.
What are the changes are required , you feel?

If you do not understand the question, ask me please.

[shamsery]

http://www.secularislam.org/

What do you want to prove by this link?
My question hadn’t connection with the content of your site.
If you can reply my question, well come forward, otherwise don’t try to divert.

[MsKnuckles]

... there's nothin to hide sir shamsery... if u want details just say it... I mean traditional beliefs and thoughts... people seem to still be living in the old days... such people need to be educated... they should also stop thinking unrealistically as in... being attacked by genies or black magic as they call it... such things are still available until now... there are more examples... every age has to change to the better... nothing would ever reach perfection... I'm sure even u and everyone else can give more examples of what's not right in this age... so just as I reveal my thoughts u should also reveal urs... or this won't be a fair game now. will it?

[shamsery]

Respected TripleTee,
Thank you for your kind reply.

traditional beliefs and thoughts... people seem to still be living in the old days... such people need to be educated.
The bold portion is not clear to me.
I don’t know what you wanted to mean by the above proposition.
Anyway, let me clear and elaborate my question.

The Qur’an does not contain even a word from the Prophet.
The Qur'an speaks in the first person, i.e., Allah's commandments to His creation.
People need to be educated every day , every where.
I humbly agree.
But at the dawn of 21st century and we are equipped with the modern technological knowledge, scientific knowledge, and new philosophy of secularism, rock and roll culture etc,.
Do we need any amendment, change, and alteration in Holy Quran to cope up with the present era?
Hope my question is clear to concern people.

[MsKnuckles]

Do we need any amendment, change, and alteration in Holy Quran to cope up with the present era?
change? alteration?..... ok... one thing sir shamsery... the Quran is said to have never been changed since the day it was written on paper... it was also said to be fit for all ages!... basically written in the Quran itself.... so regarding u questioning this... what do u make of it??...

The Qur’an does not contain even a word from the Prophet.
The Qur'an speaks in the first person, i.e., Allah's commandments to His creation.
which is one of the reasons we have different sects in Islam... some believe in the prophet's words (sunnies) while others just follow the Quran in itself to be on the safe side.(Ibadhies)!

traditional beliefs and thoughts
basically meaning tradition!!.........:mmhmm:...

[Enigma]

I think changing our way of da3wa would be smart. Obviously the current one (and the one used back in Mohammed PBUH's days) isn't working. Giving off a more loving and positive image would help us quite a bit.

[shamsery]

Do we need any amendment, change, and alteration in Holy Quran to cope up with the present era?
change? alteration?..... ok... one thing sir shamsery... the Quran is said to have never been changed since the day it was written on paper... it was also said to be fit for all ages!... basically written in the Quran itself.... so regarding u questioning this... what do u make of it??...

The Qur’an does not contain even a word from the Prophet.
The Qur'an speaks in the first person, i.e., Allah's commandments to His creation.
which is one of the reasons we have different sects in Islam... some believe in the prophet's words (sunnies) while others just follow the Quran in itself to be on the safe side.(Ibadhi)
Respected TripleTee,
If you notice to my reply herein the thread, you will see, though I was born in a Muslim family but brought up in different thought of school. Here I mean under different ideology and philosophy. Not Islam.
Once I used to think, it was a dogma, superstition, opium addicted group of people.
I am not talking about sect here.
Origin of sect is all together a different issue and it had no connection with holy Quran.
the Quran is said to have never been changed since the day it was written on paper
May I tale you, form the day of revelation, there is no change and till the last day there will be no change in the Holy Quran.
Allah is the protector of His works.
My point , do we agree, as Muslim?
My ignorance may kindly be excused , if I am wrong.

[MsKnuckles]

ahha.... ok... let's get this straight then.... do YOU agree as a muslim??

[shamsery]

ahha.... ok... let's get this straight then.... do YOU agree as a muslim??

What Muslim agrees?
That is the question.
What I agree that is not the question here.

[MsKnuckles]

My point , do we agree, as Muslim?
.... I was reading this i believe... and to me it would mean... do we agree as muslims... in the word WE, you are obviously included I believe... otherwise plz state ur questions clearly from the beginning and don't shift from one meaning to the other....

Do we agree as muslims- or -what muslim agrees (I guess meaning, which muslims agree?) are only slightly different in a way that u are suddenly not included!...

[wudjab]

I hope you are having fun, TT ! :)

You have unintentionally found yourself caught in the classic Shammy whirlpool.

Enjoy the ride !

[shamsery]

I hope you are having fun, TT ! :)

You have unintentionally found yourself caught in the classic Shammy whirlpool.

Enjoy the ride !


Late better than never.
Welcome Mr Wudjab.

[shamsery]

I think changing our way of da3wa would be smart.

Respected Moderator Religion,
Could you please ,provide me English translation of da3wa ?

[jack]

What do you want to prove by this link?
My question hadn’t connection with the content of your site.
If you can reply my question, well come forward, otherwise don’t try to divert.
Our Mission
We believe that Islamic society has been held back by an unwillingness to subject its beliefs, laws and practices to critical examination, by a lack of respect for the rights of the individual, and by an unwillingness to tolerate alternative viewpoints or to engage in constructive dialogue.

The Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society (ISIS) has been formed to promote the ideas of rationalism, secularism, democracy and human rights within Islamic society.

ISIS promotes freedom of expression, freedom of thought and belief, freedom of intellectual and scientific inquiry, freedom of conscience and religion – including the freedom to change one’s religion or belief - and freedom from religion: the freedom not to believe in any deity.

You asked what needs to be changed ... you don't like these ideas for change?

[jack]

Ok shamy ... you didn't like the last one. Let's try this one. Islam gives adult status to a male around 14/15 and a female when she starts her period (could be as young as 10/12 years old).

To put this in context Iran allows 15 years to vote (not sure about other predominatly muslim countries).

Now do you think a 15 year old should have the ability to vote?

[Mr Tickle]

"Do we need any change?"

It certainly helps when paying for things