"Hand over the Arabs and feed your families for a lifetime."

Hi, it is not me, American enticed Afghans.

Sorry to dig up.
Don’t fire me.
Reported by Paul Craig Roberts on June 02/ 05.
How American authority can allow AI to visit Guantanamo prisoner’s camp?
Read where is the problem lies.

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=6185

Islam is the source of terror.

By the way, Antiwar.com? Please. Try a source that's not so biased next time.

Would you both mind elaborating?

Shamsery: give us the main idea behind the article
MoonShine: tell us how you reached such a conclusion.


Cheers you guys, none of us are mindreaders :)

Would you both mind elaborating?

Shamsery: give us the main idea behind the article
MoonShine: tell us how you reached such a conclusion.


Cheers you guys, none of us are mindreaders :)

Just playing Shamsey's little game of painting broad strokes.

Would you both mind elaborating?

Shamsery: give us the main idea behind the article

Mr. Moderator,
Why American authority hesitant to allow visit of AI?
Are the captive “"enemy combatants"?
Who are they?
The "fighters" apparently included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen. is this true?

“By avoiding the fact you will walk over the corpses of at least 100,000 people, most of them innocent women and children and the elderly, slaughtered by rapacious forces sent by Blair and Bush, unprovoked and in defiance of international law, to a defenseless country.

The "fighters" apparently included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen. is this true?

Once again, please provide the links to this nonsense.

Mr. Moderator,
Why American authority hesitant to allow visit of AI?
Are the captive “"enemy combatants"?
Who are they?
The "fighters" apparently included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen. is this true?

“By avoiding the fact you will walk over the corpses of at least 100,000 people, most of them innocent women and children and the elderly, slaughtered by rapacious forces sent by Blair and Bush, unprovoked and in defiance of international law, to a defenseless country.

Come now Mr. Sham., we have already disproven the allegations in green.

Or are you still practising some good old Islamic Taqiya ?

Once again, please provide the links to this nonsense.
Though link was there, once again.
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=6185
Read yourself:
The U.S. government gave the slave trade a boost by offering money for al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters. Afghan and Pakistani warlords simply rounded up people who looked Arab or foreign and sold them to the Americans as captured fighters. The "fighters" apparently included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen. The tribunals looking into the classification of Guantanamo prisoners as "enemy combatants" have uncovered numerous examples of hapless victims of a naive U.S. government too flush with money.

The Bush administration, of course, denies that it bought its detainees, as it denies everything. However, on May 31, 2005, Michelle Faul of the Associated Press reported that in March 2002, leaflets and broadcasts from helicopters in Afghanistan enticed Afghans to "Hand over the Arabs and feed your families for a lifetime." One leaflet said: "You can receive millions of dollars. This is enough to take care of your family, your village, your tribe for the rest of your life, pay for livestock and doctors and school books and housing for all your people."

Najeeb al-Nauimi, a former Qatar justice minister, leads a group of lawyers representing 100 detainees who were sold to the naive Americans. He says a consortium of wealthy Arabs are buying back fellow citizens kidnapped by Pakistani gangs before they can be sold to the Americans.

More is going on here than merely unintended consequences of a harebrained policy. The Bush administration has proven itself to be utterly irresponsible in the use of power. And it keeps demanding more power, including the suspension of our civil liberties in order to better fight "terrorism."

Aside from 9/11, an event of several years ago, the only terrorism the U.S. has experienced is the terrorism Bush created by invading Iraq. Why are we worried about Osama bin Laden when the moronic Bush administration is so adept at creating terrorism?

Notice the pattern. Bush creates terrorism and then suspends our civil liberties in the name of his war on terror.............................

Come now Mr. Sham., we have already disproven the allegations in green.

Or are you still practising some good old Islamic Taqiya ?

Dr Les Roberts, who led the study, said: "Making conservative assumptions we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Has they provide any corrigendum on statistics?

That is a conservative estimate of the conclusion of a peer-reviewed Anglo-American study, published in the British medical journal the "Lancet.”

THE invasion of Iraq and its aftermath caused the deaths of 24,000 Iraqis, including many children, according to the most detailed survey yet of postwar life in the country.

The UN report paints a picture of modern Iraq brought close to collapse despite its oil wealth. Successive wars, a decade of sanctions and the current violence have destroyed services, undermined health and education and made the lives of ordinary Iraqis dangerous and miserable.

The survey for the UN Development Programme, entitled Iraq Living Conditions Survey 2004, questioned more than 21,600 households this time last year. Its findings, released by the Ministry of Planning yesterday, could finally resolve the debate over how many Iraqis were killed in the war that overthrew the regime of Saddam Hussein in April 2003.

The 370-page report said that it was 95 per cent confident that the toll during the war and the first year of occupation was 24,000, but could have been between 18,000 and 29,000. About 12 per cent of those were under 18.

The figure is far lower than the 98,000 deaths estimated in The Lancet last October, which said that it had interviewed nearly 1,000 households. But it is far higher than other figures.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1610143,00.html

Moderators please take note : Mr. Shamsery is intentionally publishing misleading facts even after being educated on the lack of truthfullness of his claims.

Mr. Moderator,
Why American authority hesitant to allow visit of AI?
Are the captive “"enemy combatants"?
Who are they?
The "fighters" apparently included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen.Are they and I use one of your favorite words ... collaborators?

I agree with the title.

And I agree with post # 2.

Are they and I use one of your favorite words ... collaborators?


They are victim and you…….You know better than me. .

And I agree with post # 2.

Natural. Nothing to surprise.

They are victim and you…….You know better than me. .Oh I see now ... the ones at Gitmo are victims ... these.

The "fighters" apparently included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen.

And the same people (included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen ... lets add your average iraqi citizen of all walks of life) that are being killed daily by the "freedom fighters" ... are collaborators?

Oh I see now ... the ones at Gitmo are victims ... these.



And the same people (included relief workers, refugees, and Arab businessmen ... lets add your average iraqi citizen of all walks of life) that are being killed daily by the "freedom fighters" ... are collaborators?

Why delirium , stick to the point please.
Do you have any comment ?

how come you don't have to stick to the point, only other have to ?

so the folks at gitmo are innocent bystanders, the ones in Iraq are collaborators !

What a laugh....although we should have expected that from you anyway.

As far as my comments, they are only as suprising as your political viewpoints are.

Which is not al all

Afghan and Pakistani warlords simply rounded up people who looked Arab or foreign and sold them to the Americans as captured fighters.
Then ..................

And I agree with post # 2.


well.. are you an American? When I say that I consider it evil, it is because and lets us be specific here since I have graduated from the states and I have many friends there.

Americans are one of the nicest people someone can run across, of course you have freaks, killers and many other black sheep, like the rest of the world. But overall, they are nice people.

The government however has chosen a different camp, The Israeli one. So naturally I would consider it evil!

since I consider Israel to be evil* Am not here to argue what belongs to who... am just here to clear why I have said or believe that the American Government is evil, because even from a domestic point of view, The American government has been very unfair to it's own citizens, who really deserve better.

* personal opinion based on what I have perceived from various sources throughout my life and yes one of them is my grand father may he RIP!

well.. are you an American?

No , he is not but pretend to be.
I don’t understand one thing, why these people mix-up the issue with America and American Neo cons, American Government, American policy of neo imperialism.
Are they greater American than Mr. George McGovern?



http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31125

Why, what nationality have I claimed to be ? Please elaborate with evidence that I have claimed to be / not be American.

Now Raed, you have every right to your opinions, erroneous or otherwise, just as I have the same rights.

Why do I agree with # 2 ?

I know lots of moslems who are fine people.

But when I read news of the following countries...

Afghanistan
India
Iraq
Pakistan
Phillipines
Thailand
Bosnia
Chechnya
China
Algeria
Saudi Arabia
Indonesia
Lebanon
..etc etc etc

and see Islam as the root of all the unrest in so many places, I am fully entitled to my belief.

For crying out loud, Thailand is Buddhist and a peaceful country, but your brothers there have managed to piss on it as well.

Sorry, add Nigeria to the list.

KANO, 6 June (IRIN) - Hundreds of armed riot police have been deployed in Nigeria's northern city of Sokoto, where Sunni protesters razed a government building in escalating violence with rival Shi'ites that could engulf the mainly Islamic region, government officials said on Monday.

Hundreds of protesters who besieged the Sokoto North local government secretariat and set it alight on Friday were angered by police arrest of a Sunni cleric Umar Dan-Maishiyya, accused by the authorities of inciting violent attacks against the Shi'ite minority, Sokoto state government spokesman Mustapha Shehu said.

"In their anger they completely burned down the secretariat building," Shehu told reporters. "The government has reacted by deploying policemen to prevent further violence," he add

....

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IRIN/f583ee270820a5bb76ba66e39ef0ee7c.htm

well.. you have the right to believe in what you want. I am not sure why are we discussing this. To you your government is the best thing since sliced bread. To me it is the source of all evil.

so.. Umm.. cheers

Raed,

Is OBL evil?
Are the people who behead civilians 'evil'?
Are Muslims who commit rape 'evil'?
is homosexuality 'evil'?

Why do I agree with # 2 ?

and see Islam as the root of all the unrest in so many places, I am fully entitled to my belief.



That was tip on the ice burg.
What your argument and evidence against the thread.
Coming with your last fifty years history of crime

Raed,

Is OBL evil?
Are the people who behead civilians 'evil'?
Are Muslims who commit rape 'evil'?
is homosexuality 'evil'?

um.. what brought this up? I avoid talking about sept 11 with Muslims as well as Christians , because in all honesty I fail to comprehend fully the whole situation. I do not claim that I understand everything that goes around me, am sorry but I am limited.