Part one:
Bush, Cheney Attack Amnesty International
by Jim Lobe
WASHINGTON - Stung by Amnesty International's condemnation of U.S. detention facilities in Iraq and elsewhere overseas, the administration of President George W. Bush is reacting with indignation and even suggestions that terrorists are using the world's largest human rights organization.
The latest denunciation came from Bush himself during a White House press conference Tuesday. ''I'm aware of the Amnesty International report, and it's absurd. The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world,''he said, adding that Washington had ''investigated every single complaint against (sic) the detainees.''
''It seemed like (Amnesty) based some of their decisions on the word and allegations by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people had been trained in some instances to disassemble (sic) -- that means not tell the truth'', Bush went on. ''And so it was an absurd report. It just is''.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0601-01.htm

Part Two:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

Amnesty International's Response to RumsfeldStatement of Dr. William F. Schulz, Executive Director, Amnesty International USA

WASHINGTON--June 1--Donald Rumsfeld and the Bush Administration ignored or dismissed Amnesty International's reports on the abuse of detainees for years, and senior officials continue to ignore the very real plight of men detained without charge or trial. Amnesty International first communicated its concerns at the treatment of prisoners to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld in January 2002 and continued to raise these concerns at the highest levels as allegations of abuse mounted from Afghanistan, Guantanamo and Iraq. The response was to bar AI's human rights investigators from visiting US detention facilities, in contrast to countries as diverse as Libya and Sudan, where governments have accepted the value of independent monitoring. Twenty years ago, Amnesty International was criticizing Saddam Hussein's human rights abuses at the same time Donald Rumsfeld was courting him. In 2003 Rumsfeld apparently trusted our credibility on violations by Iraq, but now that we are criticizing the US he has lost his faith again. [see quotes below]The deliberate policy of this administration is to detain individuals without charge or trial in prisons at Guantanamo Bay, Bagram Air Base and other locations, where their treatment has not conformed to international standards. Donald Rumsfeld personally approved a December 2002 memorandum that permitted such unlawful interrogation techniques as stress positions, prolonged isolation, stripping, and the use of dogs at Guantanamo Bay, and he should be held accountable, as should all those responsible for torture, no matter how senior.There has yet to be a full independent investigation, and the content of some of the government's own reports into human rights violations in these prisons remain classified and unseen. If this administration is committed to transparency, it should immediately open the network of detention centers operated by the US around the world to scrutiny by independent human rights groups. It is also worth noting that this administration eagerly cites Amnesty International research when we criticize Cuba and extensively quoted our criticism of the violations in Iraq under Saddam Hussein in the run up to the war.Rumsfeld quotes (compiled by thinkprogress.org at http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=979 )On March 27, 2003, Rumsfeld said:We know that it's a repressive regime?Anyone who has read Amnesty International or any of the human rights organizations about how the regime of Saddam Hussein treats his people?The next day, Rumsfeld cited his "careful reading" of Amnesty:[I]t seems to me a careful reading of Amnesty International or the record of Saddam Hussein, having used chemical weapons on his own people as well as his neighbors, and the viciousness of that regime, which is well known and documented by human rights organizations, ought not to be surprisedAnd on April 1, 2003, Rumsfeld said once again:[I]f you read the various human rights groups and Amnesty International's description of what they know has gone on, it's not a happy picture.
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0601-25.htm

No one hates America but hate American Neo Imperialism. Amnesty International's has no reason to hate America but rather they have disclose the facts only.

Cheney has said:

For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow the United States is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don’t take them seriously.

Other Administration officials have similarly been quick to lash out against the Amnesty report. White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said the allegations were “ridiculous and unsupported by the facts.” Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Richard Myers called the Amnesty International report “absolutely irresponsible.”

But in the past, when it was convenient to the Administration, they did not hesitate to cite Amnesty to make its case.
So the rule here appears to be: Amnesty is a legitimate source for human rights violations of other countries, but is an unreliable and irresponsible source for reporting on the U.S.
I highly recommend you to click on the link bellow:
http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=979

No shame, look your picture on the mirror.

Shamnesty International ...

Al-queda members are trained to do exactly what Shamnesty International claims ... and they are trained before they are ever captured.

"The manual says that when captured or facing trial, "brothers must insist on proving that torture was inflicted on them by State Security." Noting the utility of the open U.S. media, the manual also calls "spreading rumors and writing statements that instigate people against the enemy" one of the top-five missions of the terrorist organization."

My question to all of you ... how much credibilty do you give these detainees knowing that what they are saying is exactly what they have been taught to say?

Ask any person in prison if he is quilty ... how many will say yes? Sure they are all innocent :rolleyes:

The president, George W Bush, dismissed as ‘absurd’ the Amnesty report, which also said the United States was responsible for an upsurge in global human rights violations, and the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, called the description ‘reprehensible.’

‘The administration’s response has been that our report is absurd, that our allegations have no basis, and our answer is very simple: if that is so, open up these detention centres, allow us and others to visit them,’ the Amnesty International secretary general, Irene Zubaida Khan, told a news conference.

An eye opener.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/usa/document.do?id=EB3D823D4798A5C185257012006A30BC


Another link, lest someone bash common dreams.

Jack, you've taken one tiny aspect, and commented on it. So I'll do the same.

he response was to bar AI's human rights investigators from visiting US detention facilities, in contrast to countries as diverse as Libya and Sudan, where governments have accepted the value of independent monitoring. Twenty years ago, Amnesty International was criticizing Saddam Hussein's human rights abuses at the same time Donald Rumsfeld was courting him. In 2003 Rumsfeld apparently trusted our credibility on violations by Iraq, but now that we are criticizing the US he has lost his faith again.

John Kerry syndrome? Shall we say, flip-flop?

Oh PT ...

Yes I have taken the aspect that al-queda teaches their members to do exactly what Amnestiy International says is happening.

Now to credibilty ... the detainees have none :zzz:

Just like all the detainees ... I'm not guilty and you are using your superior powers to abuse my freedom of speech!

Can I get a Jihad .... or at least a fatwa? :D j/k

The detainees in GB are not prisoners of war, hence the Geneva Convention do not apply. They were not in the employ of the army of a soverign state, rather, they were a ragtag group of individuals who joined what they thought was a global jihad.

Unfortunate but true. Guess they didn't think things out completely before signing on the dotted line.

What about the 'War On Terrorism'?

And if they aren't prisoners of war, does that not mean they are not entitled to 'humane' treatment? It sounds like you're condoning torture. Which is fine, if you are, but just say it.

Now who said they were not receiving humane treatment ? Their living conditions in GB are much better than the caves of Afghanistan. They are even provided their personal copy of the Quran. Now tell me, how many moslem countries will provide a prisoner a copy of his religious book ?

Now who said they were not receiving humane treatment ? Their living conditions in GB are much better than the caves of Afghanistan. They are even provided their personal copy of the Quran. Now tell me, how many moslem countries will provide a prisoner a copy of his religious book ?


Deliberate effort to twist the issue.

Hi, preacher of Freedom promoters,
The thread is based on the condemnation to the statement of American Government by Amnesty International's.
There is not a single word about Geneva Convention.
It is related to human right, which you speak high.

I know. Why do you keep doing it ?

Discuss the fact and admit the fault if you have.

By Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to President Clinton.
“And the more than 50,000 detainees being held in 25 prisons in Afghanistan and 17 prisons in Iraq are "routinely denied access to lawyers and families." An unknown number of people have disappeared into secret prisons. “
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/blumenthal-see-no-evil.html

An epic of human rights.
No offence please. Another dig up.

By Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to President Clinton.
“And the more than 50,000 detainees being held in 25 prisons in Afghanistan and 17 prisons in Iraq are "routinely denied access to lawyers and families." An unknown number of people have disappeared into secret prisons. “
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/blumenthal-see-no-evil.html

An epic of human rights.
No offence please. Another dig up.

Funny how you and Amnesty weren't concerned about these people when Saddamy was in power.

Now who said they were not receiving humane treatment ? Their living conditions in GB are much better than the caves of Afghanistan. They are even provided their personal copy of the Quran. Now tell me, how many moslem countries will provide a prisoner a copy of his religious book ?

right? Could you imagine the silly fools in Saudi giving me a bible to study while i was in prison for practicing Christianity?

Actually, Amnesty was concerned with those people. You shouldn't make statements without the proper research.

right? Could you imagine the silly fools in Saudi giving me a bible to study while i was in prison for practicing Christianity?

Yes, they give you but only the differences neither they kick nor disrespect your Holly books .

Yes, they give you but only the differences neither they kick nor disrespect your Holly books .

Bhullshit and you know it.

Are you really that ignorant? :Shock:

Saudis Arrest Christians For Spreading 'Poison' - May 2, 2005 ... (http://www.nysun.com/article/13103)
Massive Arrests of Foreign Christians in Saudi Arabia (http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution/massive-arrests-saudi-arabia.html)
TWO MORE ARRESTS IN SAUDI ARABIA (http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/arrests-saudi-arabia.html)
Saudi Arabia Launches Biggest Crackdown on Christians in a Decade (http://www.earnedmedia.org/icc0602.htm)

I also hear lots of Qurans are being destroyed in Iraq and Pakistan these days. None of these violations are drawing much attention in the press.

I wonder why ?

Funny how you and Amnesty weren't concerned about these people when Saddamy was in power.

You used to qoute every day in every occultation from AI.

Bhullshit and you know it.

Are you really that ignorant? :Shock:

Saudis Arrest Christians For Spreading 'Poison' - May 2, 2005 ... (http://www.nysun.com/article/13103)
Massive Arrests of Foreign Christians in Saudi Arabia (http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution/massive-arrests-saudi-arabia.html)
TWO MORE ARRESTS IN SAUDI ARABIA (http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-3/arrests-saudi-arabia.html)
Saudi Arabia Launches Biggest Crackdown on Christians in a Decade (http://www.earnedmedia.org/icc0602.htm)


If they do such act, surely they are violating the norm of our religion.
They should be criticized and condemned.
I have not yet checked the entire link.

What, no reaction to the news that Qurans are being desecrated in Iraq and Pakistan ?

What, no reaction to the news that Qurans are being desecrated in Iraq and Pakistan ?

Any evidence please?

With all the suicide bombers going off in mosques, plenty of Qurans are being destroyed.

Please protest suitably.

With all the suicide bombers going off in mosques, plenty of Qurans are being destroyed.

Please protest suitably.


Evidence please , do you have any?

Evidence of suicide bombings in mosques ?

Google it.

secretary general, Irene Khan, said, ''The detention facility at Guantanamo Bay has become the gulag of our times, entrenching the practice of arbitrary and indefinite detention in violation of international law."

To that, Bush cried, ''Absurd." Cheney said, ''I was offended." Myers said, ''absolutely irresponsible."

When our State Department released in March its own massive annual report of human rights abuses around the world, it was quick to criticize other nations for human rights abuses. The State Department often quotes Amnesty International on other nations' abuses. But there was no self-criticism of our prisoner treatment in the so-called war on terror.


The reason is quite ironic. A year ago, Assistant Secretary of State Michael Kozak said, ''The reason we don't do a report on ourselves is the same reason you wouldn't write investigative reports about your own finances or something; it wouldn't have any credibility. Somebody else needs to do that. It's not that we're against being scrutinized, and indeed we are scrutinized by many other organizations: Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International."

With new allegations of Guantanamo prisoner treatment by the Associated Press, the questions continue about American moral authority. If the chaos continues, what could the Bush adminsitration possibly say next?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/06/01/the_last_throes_of_truth_in_iraq/

The GULAG word again.

Did you read what the word GULAG means ?