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Mr Tickle
01-06-05, 08:50 PM
The Arab Assault On Our Culture

One vocation shall still be most noble and fair:Content I’ll be the braider of your golden hair.-“The Braider of Her Hair”

Will the poets of today and tomorrow be able to continue their ancestors’ love affair with the flowing tresses of the Bengali woman (or any other woman for that matter)? Not if the steadily encroaching Arab cultural imperialism does to us what it did to many others.

The Persians had a flourishing culture and resisted and thus have managed, even amidst the mullah-led revolution of 1979, to prevent their heritage from being subsumed by the invading Arabs. The Phoenicians of the Levant, Nubians of East Africa, and Amazigh (Berber, Kablye, and Touareg) of West Africa were not so lucky: their languages are largely forgotten, their people fully or partially Arabized, and their developing cultures stunted.

It is a pity of heartbreaking proportions to witness a Berber child in a remote Libyan hilltop village who cannot understand the fairy tales in the native language of his ailing grandmother.

In our land the process started in the 1960s with Field Marshal Ayub Khan and his self-hating quislings like Governor Monem Khan who reputedly said tauba (penance) every time he spoke in Bengali because it was supposedly not God’s chosen tongue. They banned Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore from the airwaves, started a multi-million dollar program to re-write Bengali in the Arabic script, and used the state publicity machinery to make a mockery of our ‘Hinduized’ customs.

A woman’s sari and teep were symbols of unIslamic behavior, we were lectured; what they meant was that such flourish and elegance was unacceptable to their nouveu riche cultural masters in the oil sheikhdoms dotting the Persian Gulf. We threw the Ayub-Monem circle out in 1971 and gave our culture some breathing space. Yet, that respite has been short-lived.

In the past, in the Levant and Africa the cultural genocide was effected with a sword under the guise of religion. Today in Bangladesh and elsewhere, as the religious mask of the Arab invader remains intact his sword has been replaced by his abundant cash. Through his subsidies to our political parties and their leaders, the Arab sheikh is trying his best to corrupt the top.

The results are already glaringly obvious; be it the nationalist Begum Khaleda Zia or secularist Hasina Wajed, both don the hijab on their heads and otherwise wrap up their saris in the weirdest contortions to look like abayas. The pattern thus set by the leading ladies of the Republic is parroted by the wives and daughters of cabinet ministers and business tycoons.

But the grab of cultural imperialism goes far beyond the top levels of society. The millions of our compatriots employed by the Saudis and their Gulf vassals are daily indoctrinated with subtle messages of Arab cultural superiority. Some carry this virus of indoctrination back home to their friends, family, and neighbors.

Many poor children in the hinterlands and metropolises alike find no avenue for education but the mushrooming madrassas and maktabs run by Wahhabi funded clerics who transmit their misogyny, hatred, and prejudice to a brand new generation that is growing up to despise the culture of its forefathers.

More and more mosques, including the National Mosque of Baitul Mukarram, have clergy trained under Arab auspices and full of derision for our native traditions, as is obvious every Friday in the sermons of the Baitul Mukarram mufti, Maulana Obaidul Huq. The effects of this frontal assault on our heritage are becoming more apparent every passing day.

Already we use the Arabized Allah Hafiz as opposed to the traditional Khuda Hafiz to bid adieu. The government publishes many of its documents in Bengali, English, and Arabic while the chief airport has a shiny new Arabic welcome sign. Female newscasters often cover their heads, public and private offices have significant numbers of people who like dressing in the unprofessionally flowing Arab garb, and the Bengali-hating daily Inquilab is one of the highest circulating journals in the capital. Even the customary seats of intellectual secularism are not safe anymore.

The shock-troops of this cultural war, the Islami Chhatra Shibir (Islamic Students Camp), have bared their teeth, and guns, on our universities. In loud voices they demand that women students be segregated and veiled, if allowed at all that is.

These young fascists physically attack secular organizations and nationalist programs at will and their preferred method of ‘Islamic’ punishment is to cut off the tendons of those who stand up to them. Rarely are they held to account. Why should they be? After all, the leaders of their parent outfit Jamaat-e-Islami sit in the cabinet.

This, then, is the face of our kulturkampf. We are under assault and the attacker has the initiative.

It is a pity. Once upon a time when the ancestors of our Arab brethren were selling slaves in the markets of Timbuktu, our progenitors were writing epics and composing hymns of love. When they were riding camels and herding goats through barren deserts, we were building flourishing cities like Mahasthangarh and Sonargaon.

Armed with the Holy Qur’an in one hand and the dollar in the other, these denizens of debauchery are now engaged in a war of attrition against twenty five centuries of rich culture. A culture is not lost overnight; rather, like liberty itself, culture is eroded slowly and surreptitiously because its guardians slumber on the watch not knowing what is happening.

Unless we want to go the way of the Phoenicians and the Amazigh, we do need to realize what is happening. Like the Persians, we have a well-developed language and literature able to withstand the assault longer. But ‘longer’ does not denote ‘forever’.

We need to fight back. We need to resist. We need to stand up to the gnawing tentacles of Arab cultural imperialism.

Or else some generation down the road will never know the poetry woven in the flowing locks of a beautiful woman.

http://bangladesh-web.com/view.php?hidDate=2004-02-14&hidType=HIG&hidRecord=0000000000000000001102

Shinoda LP
01-06-05, 08:57 PM
Wonderfully written.

Besides, that reporter better go get himself a life insurance soon enough.

wudjab
01-06-05, 09:14 PM
Excellent points.

But we first need to concentrate on solving the problem in Iraq.

Mr Tickle
01-06-05, 09:38 PM
lol!

although we could multi-task

CrazyReD
01-06-05, 10:22 PM
hmm nice read but pincho u should add ur own commentry in the first post as per sabla rules :cute:

but isn't the same thing happening with english? lots of people don't speak their native language because of English. True english "now" dosn't mandidate a certain custom but it used to a time ago.

shamsery
01-06-05, 11:54 PM
(Mr. pinnochio +Mr. Shinoda LP+Mr.wudjab)

I have gone through the article of Mr. Esam Sohail posted by you.
My pleasure, to see your interest in my country.
Regarding Bangladesh, author spoken almost truth.
Islam spreads in this subcontinent in the beginning of 7th century.
Being Muslim, we are to follow Quran and Hadith in our personal live.
Non-Muslims follow their custom.
Now the point, Islamic culture and Arab culture.
Do you think same?
As salutation, we address “As salam -o- Alaikum”.
It is religious directives.
Do you think that is Arab culture?
What we need to fight back?
What we need to resist?
Can you take the trouble to explain?
Do you know what is Mahasthangarh and Sonargaon?
Looking for your comment and Insha Allah , I shall track you.

Scorpio27
01-06-05, 11:57 PM
Nice and true Topic. Thanks.
We kicked the Khans out in 1971 and we shall eradicate the seeds though they are not yet noticable by any mean. If neded we shall fight for freedom again.

No urdu no Arabic culture we belong to but Bangla.

Thanks

wudjab
02-06-05, 12:24 AM
So many questions, Mr. Sham.

strangely enough we were looking for some answers from you.

shamsery
02-06-05, 12:41 AM
So many questions, Mr. Sham.

strangely enough we were looking for some answers from you.

Ok, let me help you.
Do you think Islamic culture and Arab culture is same? Explain with reference please.
Single question.

Pineapple Thief
02-06-05, 12:46 AM
Do you know what is Mahasthangarh and Sonargaon?


I dont, theres no such words in 'arab' culture. What are they?

shamsery
02-06-05, 12:59 AM
Do you know what is Mahasthangarh and Sonargaon?


I dont, theres no such words in 'arab' culture. What are they?

Let them reply Mr. Moderator .
I am here at your disposal.

Shinoda LP
02-06-05, 01:24 AM
They are 2 cities, towns perhaps in Bangladesh? What does that have to do with anything?!

PT, I probably read it a bit too fast, but does it mention anywhere that these places in Bangladesh derived their names from Arabic? :think:

Pineapple Thief
02-06-05, 01:28 AM
No, Im just curious, I approached it from the 'arab' side...since thats what the topic was about.

shamsery
02-06-05, 01:30 AM
They are 2 cities, towns perhaps in Bangladesh? What does that have to do with anything?!

PT, I probably read it a bit too fast, but does it mention anywhere that these places in Bangladesh derived their names from Arabic? :think:


That has deep connection with thread.
"Better untaught than ill taught."

Shinoda LP
02-06-05, 01:31 AM
That has deep connection with thread.
[B]"Better untaught than ill taught."/[B]

Please tell me then. I still can't think of a connection. One's an ancient heritage site, while the other literally means 'golden village'.

:think:

wudjab
02-06-05, 01:33 AM
We don't know. That's why we are asking ! If we knew we wouldn't ask, would we ? Duh!

So come on.

Teaching means informing, not asking questions.

shamsery
02-06-05, 01:38 AM
No, Im just curious, I approached it from the 'arab' side...since thats what the topic was about.
Until you get the reply of following question, you will not be able to penetrate.

Do they think Islamic culture and Arab culture is same?

Shinoda LP
02-06-05, 01:41 AM
Seriously!! My 5 year old nephew might answer more sensibly than you!

I'm done replying in your threads, until I get one straight forward answer from you. Good luck!

wudjab
02-06-05, 01:43 AM
The classic shammy shuffle.

dodge. duck. divert.

never, ever answer the question.

shamsery
02-06-05, 01:59 AM
We don't know. That's why we are asking ! If we knew we wouldn't ask, would we ? Duh!

So come on.

Teaching means informing, not asking questions.
I myself a learner not teacher.
Not teaching rather communicating views and ideas.
Perhaps I have articulated these words more than thousand times here.
Be happy with your findings.
One duffer Esam Sohail written an article under the caption Poems Of The Tresses: The Arab Assault On Our Culture other gentleman jumped upon that without knowing the fact and back ground.
Arabs never imposed anything on our culture.
Mr. Wudjab , before expecting reply try to answer my question on behalf of your “WE” .

Shinoda LP
02-06-05, 02:02 AM
What the hell do those 2 places have to do with anything?

shamsery
02-06-05, 02:02 AM
Seriously!! My 5 year old nephew might answer more sensibly than you!

I'm done replying in your threads, until I get one straight forward answer from you. Good luck!

Surely, you will get your reply and that much curtsy I have.

shamsery
02-06-05, 02:12 AM
What the hell do those 2 places have to do with anything?

It is a pity. Once upon a time when the ancestors of our Arab brethren were selling slaves in the markets of Timbuktu, our progenitors were writing epics and composing hymns of love. When they were riding camels and herding goats through barren deserts, we were building flourishing cities like Mahasthangarh and Sonargaon.

Hope you see , it a comparative study of the civilization.
Is the statement true?
No.

Shinoda LP
02-06-05, 02:28 AM
Hope you see , it a comparative study of the civilization.
Is the statement true?
No.

I think otherwise. Possibly otherwise.

http://www.betelco.com/bd/bdsarch/bdsarch.html

Click on both the places (links) and check when they flourished ... compare that to the pre-Islamic and Islamic era.

Pineapple Thief
02-06-05, 02:44 AM
Interesting...8th century. I think Islamic 'Civilization' as such started around the 6th century, since we're in the 1400s hijri calendar now...still kinda close though.

However, its here that its important a distinction is drawn. Islamic civilization started around 6th century I guess, but what about arab civilization, including the birth of christianity and its spread? Where does that lie?

Is the author talking about arab or islamic civilization?

shamsery
02-06-05, 02:47 AM
... compare that to the pre-Islamic and Islamic era.

This 8th century archaeological site is still held to be of great sanctity by the Hindus.
I am proud of the oldest archaeological site. I have visited the site not less than 50 Times, cause I used to stay in Mahasthangarh guesthouse.
Sonargaon is one of the oldest capitals of Bengal. It was the seat of Deva Dynasty until the 13th century.
About 27 km. from Dhaka. You know I stay at Dhaka.

shamsery
02-06-05, 03:02 AM
Interesting...8th century. I think Islamic 'Civilization' as such started around the 6th century, since we're in the 1400s hijri calendar now...still kinda close though.

However, its here that its important a distinction is drawn. Islamic civilization started around 6th century I guess, but what about arab civilization, including the birth of christianity and its spread? Where does that lie?

Is the author talking about arab or islamic civilization?

Mr. PT,
Holly Quran revealed on 610, that is 7th century.
"Is the author taking about arab or islamic civilization?"
That is the question

Pineapple Thief
02-06-05, 03:07 AM
Yeah your right, I meant the 600s, 7th century :p thanks

shamsery
02-06-05, 03:21 AM
Yeah your right, I meant the 600s, 7th century :p thanks

You are welcome.
The duffer (Author) tried to prove something antagonistic to our custom, believe and as a whole culture.

Shinoda LP
02-06-05, 08:07 PM
I'm pretty much assuming that the author is as much of a Bangladeshi as you are. As you are entitled to your opinion of how the Americans are morally corrupting the world, so does he about the Arabian cultural invasion.

Now, is he talking about Islamic or Arabian civilization ... seems to me like it is Islamic-Arabian civilization. The time when Islam was spreading in Arabia and elsewhere. I'm guessing so because he talked about building great cities and at the same time, spreading Islam in Arabia. I'm no Bangladeshi, but quite a few must be disturbed by whats happening for some Bangladeshi to write about it.

wudjab
02-06-05, 08:48 PM
if his opinion differs with Mr. Sham, he is a duffer.

NOT.

Mr Tickle
02-06-05, 10:23 PM
Would Bangladesh benefit from a ‘voluntary imperialism of the global economy’. This could take the form of complying with the diktats of the IMF, World Bank, WTO and other supra-national organisations or relinquishing some of it’s sovereign rights to a ‘cooperative empire of neighbours’, say if ASEAN or SAARC were to go further along the lines of the EU.

shamsery
03-06-05, 09:39 AM
if his opinion differs with Mr. Sham, he is a duffer.

NOT.

Of course not Mr.Wudjab,
It is not necessary that other should agree with me.
Many man, many mind and many opinion.
I appreciate and respect other opinion, hopefully, you got enough evidence.
The statement was untruth regarding our cultural heritage.
Tried to defame a nation based on lie.
Why?
Trying to prove ultra modern and ultra secular.
One Bengali / Bangladeshi must be aware about his heritage before reporting.
Sonargaon is 22 Kilometers away from Dhaka and Mahasthangarh is 2 and a half hour journey from Dhaka.
This is a psychological problem.
There is no problem to be an atheist, one can deny his religion.
At least I don’t mind.

Faith is your own perception.
You cannot plant believe in some one head.
I remember, once I meat similar thread in Sabla, perhaps 3 years back.
I emailed the author and he acknowledged.
When I asked few question, he just denied replying.
There are distortions of truth in the article.
But why?
Humans have this unfortunate (!) ability to investigate the matters.
Only dogs obey the orders like “Shut up, Sit down, Eat it”. The better your dog responds to your orders, the more you bound to it. While dogs bark, humans ask “Why?
Have you ever-asked why questions on their claims?
Have you ever dared doing this simple humanly exercise?
No matter wheatear that is related to Iraq issue, Bangladesh issue or Islam.
Why just wants everyone to accept it without a discussion?
Distorted truth shown bellow with my comments.

The Arab Assault On Our Culture

{and used the state publicity machinery to make a mockery of our ‘Hinduized’ customs.}

{A woman’s sari and teep were symbols of unIslamic behavior, we were lectured;}

{Today in Bangladesh and elsewhere, as the religious mask of the Arab invader remains intact his sword has been replaced by his abundant cash. Through his subsidies to our political parties and their leaders, the Arab sheikh is trying his best to corrupt the top. }

{The results are already glaringly obvious; be it the nationalist Begum Khaleda Zia or secularist Hasina Wajed, both don the hijab on their heads and otherwise wrap up their saris in the weirdest contortions to look like abayas. The pattern thus set by the leading ladies of the Republic is parroted by the wives and daughters of cabinet ministers and business tycoons.}
So called nationalist Begum Khaleda Zia or so called secularist Hasina Wajed, were hijab to pleased the people of Republic for vote. People appreciate hijab or covering head as custom and culture. Shamsery /

{But the grab of cultural imperialism goes far beyond the top levels of society. The millions of our compatriots employed by the Saudis and their Gulf vassals are daily indoctrinated with subtle messages of Arab cultural superiority. Some carry this virus of indoctrination back home to their friends, family, and neighbors. }

{Many poor children in the hinterlands and metropolises alike find no avenue for education but the mushrooming madrassas and maktabs run by Wahhabi funded clerics who transmit their misogyny, hatred, and prejudice to a brand new generation that is growing up to despise the culture of its forefathers. }

[B]My comment : Partially true .Shamsery

{More and more mosques, including the National Mosque of Baitul Mukarram, have clergy trained under Arab auspices and full of derision for our native traditions, as is obvious every Friday in the sermons of the Baitul Mukarram mufti, Maulana Obaidul Huq. The effects of this frontal assault on our heritage are becoming more apparent every passing day.}

{Already we use the Arabized Allah Hafiz as opposed to the traditional Khuda Hafiz to bid adieu. The government publishes many of its documents in Bengali, English, and Arabic while the chief airport has a shiny new Arabic welcome sign. Female newscasters often cover their heads, public and private offices have significant numbers of people who like dressing in the unprofessionally flowing Arab garb, and the Bengali-hating daily Inquilab is one of the highest circulating journals in the capital. Even the customary seats of intellectual secularism are not safe anymore.}

{ on our universities. In loud voices they demand that women students be segregated and veiled, if allowed at all that is. }

{These young fascists physically attack secular organizations and nationalist programs at will and their preferred method of ‘Islamic’ punishment is to cut off the tendons of those who stand up to them. Rarely are they held to account. Why should they be? After all, the leaders of their parent outfit Jamaat-e-Islami sit in the cabinet.}

[B]My comment : Partially true. He did not mention, what used to happen during Awami league era. They have political ambitions and nothing with the religion. Shamsery


{It is a pity. Once upon a time when the ancestors of our Arab brethren were selling slaves in the markets of Timbuktu, our progenitors were writing epics and composing hymns of love. When they were riding camels and herding goats through barren deserts, we were building flourishing cities like Mahasthangarh and Sonargaon.}

My comment :Totally wrong. He has not mentioned who were there progenitors. People of our area embrace Islam by mid 7th century, and we took Islam as our fundamental principle, code of live. Our faith, believe constructed a new civilization, new culture and new out look about live. If we go back to the beginning of 7th century, our old generation was disbeliever; most of them were low cast Hindu. If he likes to mean that culture then the reply is straight forward, we left that culture and constructed a new one and previous one is contradictory with our custom, faith and culture. Shamsery


{Armed with the Holy Qur’an in one hand and the dollar in the other, these denizens of debauchery are now engaged in a war of attrition against twenty five centuries of rich culture. A culture is not lost overnight; rather, like liberty itself, culture is eroded slowly and surreptitiously because its guardians slumber on the watch not knowing what is happening.

Unless we want to go the way of the Phoenicians and the Amazigh, we do need to realize what is happening. Like the Persians, we have a well-developed language and literature able to withstand the assault longer. But ‘longer’ does not denote ‘forever’.

We need to fight back. We need to resist. We need to stand up to the gnawing tentacles of Arab cultural imperialism.

Or else some generation down the road will never know the poetry woven in the flowing locks of a beautiful woman. }