Are they resistance fighters or terrorists of football thugs or something else?

The name makes it sound like they are a terrorist group. :think: What are they about?

someone told me that they are a terrorist organisation in Bangladesh

I'll look them up

Just read about them. They're known as the Taliban spearhead in Asia, with confirmed ties to Osama and the rest of the crew.

Terrorist association I think, unless I'm treadding on a thin line of difference between a resistance movement and a terrorist organization?!

If they are fighting the imperialist puppet government in Bangladesh, then I would label them as freedom fighters.

What do you think ?

http://www.saag.org/%5Cpapers13%5Cpaper1274.html

If they are fighting the imperialist puppet government in Bangladesh, then I would label them as freedom fighters.

What do you think ?

Sorry there is no armed struggle in Bangladesh.
But scattered terrorist activities are there, few may have political agenda but mainly all are for personal gain.
Political agenda cannot be implemented by terrorism.
Revolution , freedom fight and terrorism is not same.

http://www.saag.org/%5Cpapers13%5Cpaper1274.html

Prime Minister Khaleda Zia is one important ally to fundamentalist grope.
There may be such group but they don’t operate publicly and not rooted deeply in the masses.
This is true , people are changing their secular nature due to international affair.
26. The JEI and the Islami Oikya Jote (the Islamic Unity Front), the coalition partners of Begum Khaleda Zia, have predictably projected the pressure on the Government to ban these organisations as an international conspiracy to drive a wedge between her party and its religious partners.
Out of 300 they have 2 seats in the parliament.
They do politics in the name of religion.
A bunch of hypocrite.

Sham

Do freedom fighters kill civilians?

Sham

Do freedom fighters kill civilians?

Though not desired at all, highly unwanted but the truth , it happen.

that makes them terrorists - would you not agree?

PS Were/Are the IRA terrorists?

that makes them terrorists - would you not agree?


No I don't agree.

and there was me thinking that what separated terrorists from freedom fighters was the targeting of civilians

At least this means that the US are not terrorists - after all, they are fighting for Iraqi freedom

PS Were/Are the IRA terrorists?

(after all, you wrote that terrorists have no politcal agenda or any footing within the community)

At least this means that the US are not terrorists - after all, they are fighting for Iraqi freedom



Nice , now prove US fighting against whom ?

Who is the enemy of Iraq?

We need to define terrorist and freedom fighter.
#
terrorist

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity"; "terrorist state" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities


freedom fighter

n : a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions) [syn: insurgent, insurrectionist, rebel]





....very had to distinguish between then. Someone may be both a freedom fighter AND a terrorist. I think the main difference is while a terrorist is always a bad thing, a freedom fighter may be good or bad.

....very had to distinguish between then. Someone may be both a freedom fighter AND a terrorist. I think the main difference is while a terrorist is always a bad thing, a freedom fighter may be good or bad.

Terrorist mainly works for personal gain and not having root in the mass.
Some time religious fanatic and fundamentalist take shelter of religious slogan.
If you critically examine them, you will see, they are misinterpreting the concept of religion. They are reactionary and against the progress.
Moreover you will find Terrorist out law every where engaed in looting , robbery, hijacking etc,.

If you critically examine them, you will see, they are misinterpreting the concept of religion. They are reactionary and against the progress.

Ok. And humans make mistakes and are viable to being brain-washed into believing even the most wierd of things. So, someone misinterprets the concept of religion and mis-leads easy mis-leadable people into believing that this person's views are right. Hence, they do whatever this first guy thinks is right ... whether other people think its right or wrong. Basically, the whole group's judgements are clouded and skewed. The first guy who's mis-leading everyone else, tells the mis-lead people that its for a good cause (like freeing a nation by sacrificing innocents, or becoming martyrs and being led into heaven to visit 76 virgins or flying planes into tall buildings in USA because they're anti-Islam ... all of which is wrong, I'm assuming you agree).

All this boils down to ... mis-interpret religion -> terrorism, based on skewed view of concepts like you mentioned -> but, followers think they're right -> followers call the group 'freedom fighters' -> everyone else with a morally correct, working brain tag them 'terrorists'.

Could this be whats happening? :)

becoming martyrs and being led into heaven to visit 76 virgins

Don’t simplify the verse from Holly Quran if you don’t understand.
That not a metaphorical expression rather literary expression.

Sadly we watch words are decorated with a roaring hate.
Same patterns, same psychology, same enthusiasm (!) against The Muslim.

Here is verse from Upanishad (Upanishad means brahma-knowledge by which ignorance is loosened or destroyed.) Knowing that you are an Atheist but from Hindu background.
“Savitri, first controlling the mind and thought for truth,
discerned the light of fire and brought it out of the earth.
With mind controlled, we are inspired by the god Savitri,
for heaven and strength.
With mind having controlled the powers
that go into heaven through thought,
may Savitri inspire them to become great light!”

Keep aside yourself before quoting Quran , Bible, Tripitalk, Srimad Bhagavat Gita, (Arjuna's battlefield conversation with the divine Krishna,) Vedas, or other holly books , with out knowing the meaning.

I eco may Savitri inspire them to become great light!”
I just can pray.
Thank you.

becoming martyrs and being led into heaven to visit 76 virgins

Don’t simplify the verse from Holly Quran if you don’t understand.
That not a metaphorical expression rather literary expression.

Sadly we watch words are decorated with a roaring hate.
Same patterns, same psychology, same enthusiasm (!) against The Muslim.

Here is verse from Upanishad (Upanishad means brahma-knowledge by which ignorance is loosened or destroyed.) Knowing that you are an Atheist but from Hindu background.
“Savitri, first controlling the mind and thought for truth,
discerned the light of fire and brought it out of the earth.
With mind controlled, we are inspired by the god Savitri,
for heaven and strength.
With mind having controlled the powers
that go into heaven through thought,
may Savitri inspire them to become great light!”

Keep aside yourself before quoting Quran , Bible, Tripitalk, Srimad Bhagavat Gita, (Arjuna's battlefield conversation with the divine Krishna,) Vedas, or other holly books , with out knowing the meaning.

I eco may Savitri inspire them to become great light!”
I just can pray.
Thank you.

Hard for you to stick to the topic?

I don't run for the Hindu shield when someone attacks me or questions my judgement, like you run for "The Muslim" shield whenever you can't come up with anything else ... Truly sad, considering I don't pray and can't do for you either!

I don't run for the Hindu shield when someone attacks me or questions my judgement, like you run for "The Muslim" shield whenever you can't come up with anything else ..

You quoted the verse not me.
That call phobia.
Do you know the inner significances of the verse?

You quoted the verse not me.
That call phobia.
Do you know the inner significances of the verse?

I mentioned going to heaven and 76 virgins. That is not called quoting. Your highness somehow can't distinguish between mentioning and quoting. Nevermind. Even otherwise, how the hell is mentioning something called phobia? Are you insecure about your religion, Shamsery? Feeling low lately? Keep your faith through these thin moments, man! :)

Why don't you open another thread at the right place and we can talk about inner significanses there? For now, why don't you just be on point for a change? :)

As far as diversionary tactics, this latest example from Mr. Sham is probably the all time big prize winner.

Surely you have elevated this tactic to the level of an art form.

All this boils down to ... mis-interpret religion -> terrorism, based on skewed view of concepts like you mentioned -> but, followers think they're right -> followers call the group 'freedom fighters' -> everyone else with a morally correct, working brain tag them 'terrorists'.

Could this be whats happening? :)

That is protest to your comment, mentioning or quote, what ever the word you choose, Mr.Shinoda.
followers call the group 'freedom fighters': by Mr.Shinoda
Yes they can but they understand they are not.

The basic difference in them are roots in the people.
Spontaneous support of the people.
A terrorist or terrorist group cannot obtain that.
Freedom fighter has the broad based support in the people.
They fight for the people and people protect them.

Freedom fighter has the broad based support in the people. They fight for the people and people protect them.

I guess thats why I see a huge number of Palestinians settling abroad because living at home's like a living hell, thanks to Israel or the so-called freedom fighters. One of my friends tell me that he left Palestine as soon as he could, once he received a palmphlet at home regarding government support financially, to his family, if at least one member of his family joined a banned group ... one we know as a terrorist organization.

Interesting ... :hmm:

I guess thats why the Iraqi freedom fighters are so busy blowing up the people who are providing them 'broad based support'.

Sham,

Were/Are the IRA terrorists?

Is Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami a terrorist organisation?

Sham,


Is Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami a terrorist organisation?
They are not broad based organization. I don’t treat them as an organization but a group of renegades underground people.

Answer the question.

Are they terrorists or not.

Sham,

As amazing as it sounds, you appear to have forgotten to answer the questions:

Were/Are the IRA terrorists?

Is Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami a terrorist organisation?

Sham,

As amazing as it sounds, you appear to have forgotten to answer the questions:

Were/Are the IRA terrorists?

Is Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami a terrorist organisation?

Answer the question.

Are they terrorists or not ?

(a small tip.... you might find it easier to actually answer questions if you didn't get so busy opening new topics (which no one reads anyway)

Sham,

As amazing as it sounds, you appear to have forgotten to answer the questions:

Were/Are the IRA terrorists?

Is Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami a terrorist organisation?

PS You seem to have forgotten to ansxwer my question:

Were/Are the IRA terrorists?

Is Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami a terrorist organisation?

Hello, when are you planning to answer the question ?

Sham,

As amazing as it sounds, you appear to have forgotten to answer the questions:

Is Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami a terrorist organisation?

You don't read the reply or post.
I replied you much earlier, look bellow

They are not broad based organization. I don’t treat them as an organization but a group of renegades underground people.

That is not the answer.

Are they terrorists or not.

A simple yes or no will do.

That is not the answer.

Are they terrorists or not.

A simple yes or no will do.

They are renegade and radical underground group.
Yes, you can say, they get involved in terrorist activities.

This is true that we are facing a lot of problem from fundamentalist.
So far I understand my soil and people, fundamentalists will not be able to win heart and mind of our people.
It is our Politician, who has given the birth of this entire problem due to their greediness, corruption. They want to stay in power by hook or crook.

Thanks for the clarifictation

Incidentally, are they Muslims?

Incidentally, are they Muslims?

They have no religion.
They are fundamentalist criminal.
You will get this group everywhere in a different color, shape and race.

With a name like Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, I would guess they are Buddhist.

Whats the conclusion you're trying to reach Pinnochio. This group are terrorists, this group are muslims, therefore muslims are terrorists? With that kind of reasoning, no wonder you...nevermind.

It's strange that you get all worked up when the shoe is on the other foot, eh Mr. PT ?

You seem quite okay with Mr. Shams relentless basing of all things western....

With a name like Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, I would guess they are Buddhist.
Never mind, through your innovative brain , you can gaze them Christian organization too.
You are free to think whatever you feel.
But we condemn these fundamentalist groups as well as your Neo con fundamentalist.

It's strange that you get all worked up when the shoe is on the other foot, eh Mr. PT ?

You seem quite okay with Mr. Shams relentless basing of all things western....
What do you mean by that?
A bunch of lair like your Bush +Blair +++++
Or you mean , Anti War , peace loving, Anti Warlords ?
Please define.

This is true that we are facing a lot of problem from fundamentalist.
So far I understand my soil and people, fundamentalists will not be able to win heart and mind of our people.
It is our Politician, who has given the birth of this entire problem due to their greediness, corruption. They want to stay in power by hook or crook.What makes them different ... from any other "freedom fighters" that you do whole heartly support?

It's strange that you get all worked up when the shoe is on the other foot, eh Mr. PT ?

You seem quite okay with Mr. Shams relentless basing of all things western....


Shams attacks all things western govt - its purely political. For some, it seems increasingly cultural.

PT

I want to find out if this group are Muslims

That is all

no more

no less

No need to get an inferiority complex

for more information please refer to the 'Are we inferior' topic in the Religion Sabla.

Well thats easy. This group probably consider themselves muslims. In fact, I'm pretty sure they do. I have no right to judge them, however I would say their actions are against the teachings of Islam.

PT

I want to find out if this group are Muslims

That is all

no more

no less

No need to get an inferiority complex


I can give you my personal opinion. Any man act against the humanity cannot be a Muslim. To be a Muslim, you need to follow certain norms and values. You will get lot of Muslim in name. But I have doubt about them. If you specifically talk about this gang, I must say, they are shame for us.

Any man act against the humanity cannot be a Muslim. To be a Muslim, you need to follow certain norms and values.

that would certainly classify the murderous thugs in Iraq (most recently the thug who blew himself up in a crowded restaurant) as non moslem.