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wudjab
31-05-05, 09:04 PM
The situation there is growing bleaker by the day. The Sudanese government recently arrested the country head of Medicine Sans Frontiers, an aid group. This was in retaliation for his report that they had treated more than 500 cases of rape in the last 4 1/2 months. Now they have arrested the translator who transalated for Kofi Annan when he interviewed the rape victims.

No one seems to care for the Sudan.


Donor governments and the United Nations must condemn the Sudanese government's arbitrary arrest and intimidation of aid workers, Human Rights Watch said today. The Sudanese government should drop charges against all aid workers, including the head of Médecins Sans Frontières in Khartoum, Paul Foreman, who was arrested yesterday and released on bail. (London, May 31, 2005) Donor governments and the United Nations must condemn the Sudanese government's arbitrary arrest and intimidation of aid workers, Human Rights Watch said today. The Sudanese government should drop charges against all aid workers, including the head of Médecins Sans Frontières in Khartoum, Paul Foreman, who was arrested yesterday and released on bail. The Sudanese authorities detained a second Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) staff member in Nyala, South Darfur, early this morning. Foreman's arrest followed escalating public threats against MSF in the Sudanese media over the past few weeks. Sudanese authorities claim that an MSF report on rape published on March 8 violated Sudanese law and that the report is "false." The precise charges against MSF are unclear but-according to an article in the Khartoum-based pro-government newspaper Al-Ra'i al-Aam include spying, provision of false information and disturbing the peace.

The government concluded that the report was false, according to Sudan's Humanitarian Aid Commission, when MSF did not respond to government demands to produce the evidence of rapes. MSF's report stated that the organization had treated more than 500 women and girls in Darfur in a period of four and a half months, and it called on local authorities to do more to stop the abuses. The government sought names and other details, in violation of the doctor-patient privilege.

In addition to the MSF staff, more than twenty aid workers have been arbitrarily arrested, detained or threatened with arrest in the past six months in Darfur, according to Human Rights Watch research. International media are increasingly being denied visas to the region.

"It's appalling that instead of arresting the people who have burned hundreds of villages and attacked thousands of women and girls, the Sudanese government is detaining aid workers," said Peter Takirambudde, Africa director for Human Rights Watch. "This is a perfect illustration of how far the Sudanese government is prepared to go to silence criticism and deny its own responsibility for massive atrocities in Darfur."

Widespread rape committed by government-backed Janjaweed militias and Sudanese troops in Darfur has been consistently documented by the United Nations, the A.U. mission monitoring ceasefire violations in Darfur, human rights groups including Human Rights Watch, the media and other fact-finding missions visiting the region. It is impossible to estimate the number of women and girls who have been subjected to sexual violence, particularly given the stigma attached to the crime, but it is likely that hundreds if not thousands of women and girls have been raped over the past two years.

"This attack on the bearer of bad news is another assault on free speech," said Takirambudde. "Under its peace accord with the southern rebels, the government is supposed to have restored all civil and political rights. There is no conceivable security or military reason for preventing publication of this kind of public health information."

The Sudanese government established committees on rape in mid-2004 to investigate the claims in each state. However, according to Human Rights Watch interviews in Khartoum with members of these committees, the methodology used was a review of pre-existing police reports and public meetings at internally displaced persons camps. After submission of an initial report, no further work was done by these committees. Although largely a whitewash, the final report by the Sudanese government-appointed National Commission of Inquiry did acknowledge that there were cases of rape in Darfur.

Given their distrust of most national government institutions, and the shame attached to rape, most displaced women and girls do not report the crime to the police, and certainly did not report sexual attacks at any public meetings. The victims instead sought medical treatment from foreign medical organizations such as MSF, with assurances of confidentiality.

Until recently, Sudanese law required rape victims to file a "Form 8" with the police prior to receiving medical treatment in a public facility. Despite assurances from the Sudanese Ministry of Justice in late-2004 that the requirement for the Form 8 had been withdrawn, reports continued in this year that authorities in many states still require this from rape victims. Nongovernmental health and human rights organizations have protested that this deters women and girls from seeking medical help as needed. "The United Nations, the African Union and donor governments need to draw the line here and ensure that the intimidation stops and that aid workers and rape victims are protected," Takirambudde said. "If this harassment continues, the lives of millions of Sudanese who depend on aid will be put at even greater risk."

More than two million people among Darfur's population of six million have been forced from their homes by widespread bombing, burning and other atrocities committed by Sudanese government forces and allied militias starting in 2003, initially part of a government effort to combat two rebel groups in Darfur.

The majority of internally displaced, formerly farming families, are confined to camps in Darfur which they are unable to leave for fear of further attack, including rape and sexual violence. They are entirely dependent on the humanitarian aid provided by the United Nations and nongovernmental organizations such as MSF. Apart from those displaced, more than a million other residents of Darfur are partially dependent on food aid due to the collapsed economy and trade resulting from the forced displacement of farmers and continuing high levels of insecurity.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/HRW/d061287ce7236f1dee11564954bede0c.htm

Yasmeen
01-06-05, 11:12 AM
Awww :(
I care...
Reading stuff like this seriously breaks my heart.

Abs
01-06-05, 04:45 PM
The situation there is growing bleaker by the day. The Sudanese government recently arrested the country head of Medicine Sans Frontiers, an aid group. This was in retaliation for his report that they had treated more than 500 cases of rape in the last 4 1/2 months. Now they have arrested the translator who transalated for Kofi Annan when he interviewed the rape victims.

No one seems to care for the Sudan.

Exactly.

I agree it's just horrible.

Mr Tickle
01-06-05, 06:35 PM
Don't worry

The West will have to bail them out as usual

wudjab
01-06-05, 08:28 PM
obviously sympathy is limted.

as is apparent from feeble response to this topic.

All it would take for some reaction would be some US intervention.

then watch the sparks fly on this forum.

Abs
02-06-05, 04:23 PM
which obviously the US wont bother stepping in because the state is of no interest to them in terms of profits, oil etc.

typical US.

Violet
02-06-05, 04:51 PM
Iv got a suggestion, why don’t we sabla members do somthin, I no its not that easy , but at least we do somthin a bout it and lets say moderators take control of it lest collect some, money, cloths …etc and take it to Sudan embassy :)...lets make a Sabla Charity, wt do u think wudjab

Abs
02-06-05, 04:58 PM
great idea, im ready to match whatever wudjab donates.

Shinoda LP
02-06-05, 08:23 PM
which obviously the US wont bother stepping in because the state is of no interest to them in terms of profits, oil etc.

typical US.

Is Oman doing anything?

For the ignorant: http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/sudan/darfur.html

wudjab
02-06-05, 08:45 PM
Abs, your comments were appreciated.

Ignorant and childish, but appreciated all the same.

Abs
03-06-05, 04:38 PM
Is Oman doing anything?

For the ignorant: http://www.usaid.gov/locations/sub-saharan_africa/sudan/darfur.html

I could say the same, what has India done so far? or whatever country you come from?

Point is, if Oman doesnt have the resources to help countries in the world, apart from donating as much as it can. It's not on the same par as the US, and since US can meddle so much in other countries, then they should help the poor countries.

Oh by the way, just curious, how much of the amount paid by USAid, is going to be accounted for in debts?

Shinoda LP
03-06-05, 07:50 PM
I could say the same, what has India done so far? or whatever country you come from?

India did provide quite a bit of aid to Sudan and that caused a stir, Internationally speaking. I assume you didn't hear about it at all.

Point is, if Oman doesnt have the resources to help countries in the world, apart from donating as much as it can. It's not on the same par as the US, and since US can meddle so much in other countries, then they should help the poor countries.

Then the US should help the poor countries? Did you even check out the amount that the US people have given as aid to Sudan alone?

Oh by the way, just curious, how much of the amount paid by USAid, is going to be accounted for in debts?

Are you kidding me?! At least $1 billion in debt for Sudan? When and where are they going to get that money from anyways? Of course its a gift ... :mmhmm:

Finally, before you shoot accusations or diverted views could you please check the internet or some newspapers on whats happening on the issue? :)

Abs
04-06-05, 03:27 PM
Believe it or not, but Sudan is already 8 billion + in debt to the IMF and the money it has got from world bank organisations. This gift that you call, is nothing but a donation with intent to get it back when possible. I will provide the links very soon, since u seem to assume I dont check online and that I dont know what's happening on this issue ":)"

Shinoda LP
06-06-05, 08:04 PM
Believe it or not, but Sudan is already 8 billion + in debt to the IMF and the money it has got from world bank organisations. This gift that you call, is nothing but a donation with intent to get it back when possible. I will provide the links very soon, since u seem to assume I dont check online and that I dont know what's happening on this issue ":)"

What do you expect, seriously? If you as a tax payer would be willing to pay for all kinds of stuff, coming off your salary ... would you agree to do it as a gift? Remember, Sudan's not the only country out there that has issues going on ... Its just logical. So, when a government's doing it with money coming off the tax payer, it rather come back into the country whenever, hopefully when Sudan lives a good future.

On a personal level, anyone's free to gift as much money as they want to any country's peace/health-care organization as they feel wise. Let me remind you that, thats happening as well. More people should be doing so, but right now there's a huge interest in the US to do whatever a common man can, to help developing and poor nations. We don't see that kind of interest in other countries. :)

Abs
07-06-05, 04:47 PM
We don't see that kind of interest in other countries. :)

The UK Chancellor Gordon Brown has put forward a bold plan to tackle poverty in Africa ahead of the G8 Summit of rich countries in Scotland next month.

As well as 100% debt relief, Mr Brown wants to set up an International Finance Facility (IFF) to double development aid to Africa in order to pay for education and medical programmes like mass immunisation.


But the plan is facing opposition in the US - and particularly from President George W Bush.

The US has already pledged to increase development aid through its own Millennium Challenge Account, but little of the money has been spent so far.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4606197.stm


Back to what you said about that kind of interest in other countries, let me stress how much the common people in the United Kingdom together with other European countries are donating, along with other countries of the world such as Australia, The asian countries, including middle eastern countries. Just by living in the US and readin about what they donate doesnt mean that no one else in the world show that kind of interest. Everyone is doing their part, and US being one of the wealthiest countries should put their best foot forward and help out to their ability just like other countries are helping out to their abilities.

Shinoda, I'm just curious - What country are you originally from?

Shinoda LP
08-06-05, 02:40 AM
After all that he's putting in $674 million in, for Africa .. I'm guessing that is to solve poverty problems.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, lobbying world leaders on his plans to tackle global warming and lift Africa out of poverty, sees President Bush's promise to provide $674 million for famine relief a small step.
Bush aides say the United States wants to ensure that Blair's hosting of this year's economic summit of the world's seven richest industrialized nations and Russia is deemed a success. But Blair has made global warming and dramatically stepped-up aid to Africa the main topics of the July gathering, and Bush opposes most of what the British leader wants to do or how he wants to do it.Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=827907

I'm not going to argue with you over how much my country or your country gave aid to poor nations. All I have to say is .. beggars can't be choosers and its better not to throw stones, when you live in a glass house yourself.

I was born in India, if thats what you meant. Does that have anything to do with this?

Abs
08-06-05, 05:07 PM
After all that he's putting in $674 million in, for Africa .. I'm guessing that is to solve poverty problems.

I was born in India, if thats what you meant. Does that have anything to do with this?

And that $674 million Shinoda, is going to be asked back in return when Africa is stable.(notice how we're not talking about Sudan individually here). It's nothing but debt. This is what Blair has asked bush to do, to forgive the debts and start with Africa fresh. But Bush refuses so. Anyway it's good to see atleast Blair trying to do something about this.

So you are an indian.....hmmmm cool. It answers all my questions. Nothing bad, was just curious thats all.

Shinoda LP
08-06-05, 10:36 PM
Surely I must agree that it'd be great if the US can do more for poor countries. Maybe not just loan money, but gift it ... there are organizations out there like "ONE" and many others which are voicing concern among common people and take the count to the government, to let them know that the American tax payers don't mind giving more money out. And surely enough, I'd agree on spending less money on certain aspects of the govt. expenditure to lay a little more stress on solving the poverty issue.

But, ultimately, its in the hands of the American people and their government to decide what happens ... correct?

Btw, I've lived in India for a grand total of 3 years, all my life.

Abs
09-06-05, 05:26 PM
50/50. To be honest, wudjab brought up the topic of "American Intervention", and I pointed out that it was not only America who were helping. He was saying no one else was helping. But yeah, after all it all depends on the people and the government of a particular country if they wish to help. But I believe we should all help, even if it's a small donation.

That it? 3 years?! Then I guess you're just an Indian by name right? So are u an american citizen now?

wudjab
09-06-05, 06:28 PM
50/50. To be honest, wudjab brought up the topic of "American Intervention", and I pointed out that it was not only America who were helping. He was saying no one else was helping. But yeah, after all it all depends on the people and the government of a particular country if they wish to help. But I believe we should all help, even if it's a small donation.

That it? 3 years?! Then I guess you're just an Indian by name right? So are u an american citizen now?

Show me where in this topic I have maded the comment that only America was helping.

My comment was that if America had intervened to stop the genocide in the Sudan, all you guys would be climing up the wall demanding a stop to the genocide in the Sudan.

We all know, moslem killing moslem is A-OK.

Shinoda LP
09-06-05, 08:21 PM
50/50. To be honest, wudjab brought up the topic of "American Intervention", and I pointed out that it was not only America who were helping. He was saying no one else was helping. But yeah, after all it all depends on the people and the government of a particular country if they wish to help. But I believe we should all help, even if it's a small donation.

That it? 3 years?! Then I guess you're just an Indian by name right? So are u an american citizen now?Abs, to be honest, here's your second post in this thread:-

which obviously the US wont bother stepping in because the state is of no interest to them in terms of profits, oil etc.

typical US.Then we showed you that the US has done something. Then you diverted by trying to make it seem how less they've been giving and how in debt the other countries were ... but, thats not how this whole discussion started, buddy. And, wudjab, not once said that no other country was doing anything. He's better than that.

I'm not just an Indian by name. I am an Indian. Judging a person's nationality by the duration of one's stay in a country is quite shallow, actually, not to mention immature. I lived in Oman for 16 years (or was it 17?) and in the US for 4 years. And no, I'm not an American citizen. My brit friends tell me new-comers get a brain freeze when accustoming themselves to the cold climate ... is that true?

wudjab
09-06-05, 08:34 PM
big round of applause to Shinoda.

Next round of drinks are on me.

Abs
09-06-05, 10:03 PM
obviously sympathy is limted.

as is apparent from feeble response to this topic.

All it would take for some reaction would be some US intervention.

then watch the sparks fly on this forum.

Maybe he should have put this in a better way. What I understood from this was that:

If the US intervened and started donating, then the situation will be resolved, since he mentioned that sympathy is limited. Apparently the US is be all, end all.

But it's good to see him change his statement now. Smart move.

As for my response, buddy, as far as I know I havent diverted any topic. I still stick to the sentence that the US will actually intervene(occupy) if there is profit there, referring to wudjab's "all it would take for some reaction would be some US intervention." This discussion STARTED from there. Try reading between the lines. By giving money, the US aint gifting, it's lending. It's something they will be taking back.

About you being Indian, I wasnt trying to be shallow or immature. If I want, I could start calling you names too, but then nevermind. I asked you your nationality out of curiousity, and you seem to be getting worked out on it. Cool down.

About that brain freeze crap, no it aint true, but i did hear about it happening in the US, where no matter what the climate, people whether newcomers or been-there get brain fried. Im sure it is true no matter what others say.

Abs
09-06-05, 10:05 PM
We all know, moslem killing moslem is A-OK.

And "moslem" forgiving a "joo" and an "american" even better.

wudjab
09-06-05, 10:27 PM
you are a real looser.

The whole thrust of the article was on the genocide and rape being carried out in the Sudan.

How no one seemed to care about the atrocities being committed there.

It is apparently hard for you to admit you screwed up.

More of the same old story. moslems can do no wrong.

Abs
09-06-05, 10:46 PM
you are a real looser.

The whole thrust of the article was on the genocide and rape being carried out in the Sudan.

How no one seemed to care about the atrocities being committed there.

It is apparently hard for you to admit you screwed up.

More of the same old story. moslems can do no wrong.


Lol, watch what you say wudjab, or else you'll force me to complain to the mods here who might warn you for flaming and filthy language and subsequently ban you.:D

And yes, this thread was going on fine, until you popped up with the "US theory", obviously seeking attention. And when you got the attention, you're coming up with a sorry excuse for this thread.:D

More of the same old story. bah!

wudjab
09-06-05, 11:00 PM
Whatever.

Obviously people with an education like Shinoda could well understand what was being discussed.

Can't blame you for that.

Abs
09-06-05, 11:19 PM
Lol, u didnt know what to say, so u sought support. Cant blame you.:)

jack
10-06-05, 12:40 AM
Abs ...

US said they would pledge $674 million for aid. This is aid and not "loans" in my understanding.

You said and I paraphrase ... cheap bastards.

Here is what I propose. All African countries that have borrowed money from the US and IMF pay the total principal back with a small interest payment of 1%. Show me any place in the world I can get those terms and I'll be a very rich man in no time.

After that is done tell the African countries to pull on their boots every morning and go to work. If they choose not to ... that is their choice. This would be much like the "welfare policy" for US citizens in the US today.

This policy would be called "Tuff Love" ... and guess what? It is working.

And if this is true ... do you think they should anti-up to help the worlds poor?

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Sa’eb Nahas Syria 520 million
Othman Al A’edi Syria 510 million
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Eskandar Safa Lebanon 410 million
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Ahmad Al Zaiyat Egypt 300 million
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